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District prosecutor told me I was NOT "one of the people" as written in the Constitution.

 
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You are a property of the state. Thats why your name always appears in all caps in any federal documemnt/database.
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Toss the driver license

In their world it's consent
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11/14/2012 02:49 PM
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You are a property of the state. Thats why your name always appears in all caps in any federal documemnt/database.
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Yes unless you don't have a birth certificate or identification
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11/14/2012 02:50 PM
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The constitution only pertains to signatories of the document
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WRONG.
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11/14/2012 02:51 PM
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Re: District prosecutor told me I was NOT "one of the people" as written in the Constitution.
OK, nobody yet has answered.

Perhaps I should ask then, WHO ARE "We, the people" and how do I become one of them?
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Look up the act of 1871. You are property of the corporation known as the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA in all caps. Let me rephrase... your straw man is part of that government and it is inevitably linked to you ;)
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you tried quoting the constitution in traffic court, and you wonder why they fucked you hard and deep?? yeah, be sure to petition a federal appeals court for redress, they could really use the laugh. hint: criminal law pertains to actual criminal cases, not administrative code violations. vehicle and traffic law is admin code, except in cases that are criminally prosecutable. all that clarence darrow horseshit means squat.
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I was charged with misdemeanor "obstructing a peace officer" for simple saying "I do not consent" and rolling up my window.

TRUST me, I know a LOT more about the system than you do. I spent 2 years full time reading all of the alternative law stuff and then one day, I decided to test it.

I took it in the ass.

All of you people are making a LOT of assumptions, but I am asking a simple question on a parallel subject.

Keep your assumptions and post INFORMATION.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27384624


You already consenting because you signed a driver license dumbass

Vehicles are a different story when you have consented in their eyes with a driver license

I was walking when I didn't consent
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26551418


You are making more assupmtions. License was signed "without prejudice." Car title was sent back to state voided. All partied notified with notarized docs and cured for ONE FULL YEAR with notary certificates of default etc. etc. etc.

If you are walking, I believe you can get away with it, but only JUST. In 3 more years, this will not be the case.
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Are We the People we have been waiting for?

We hold the Bill of Rights,
And speak them.

We do not aquiess to questions.

If you believe you are something,
Then that is what you are.

She tricked your ass, simple like.

You did not object, or correct.

Speak law
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11/14/2012 02:53 PM
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The constitution only pertains to signatories of the document
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WRONG.
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Where is a contract without your signature?

There is no consent without full disclosure and a signature
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11/14/2012 02:54 PM
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You are a property of the state. Thats why your name always appears in all caps in any federal documemnt/database.
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Yes, this is specifically stated in the 14th amendment to the SECOND constitution. ...That a person born in a "State" is a SUBJECT of that State.

But, I was not born in the "US" as defined by statute - as Washington DC only) Nor was I born in the State in which I currently live.

So, I am not a subject, technically, but they ALWAYS assume that everybody IS.
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Are We the People we have been waiting for?

We hold the Bill of Rights,
And speak them.

We do not aquiess to questions.

If you believe you are something,
Then that is what you are.

She tricked your ass, simple like.

You did not object, or correct.

Speak law
 Quoting: We: 25447410


You don't need a written document to be a Sovereign being

You are Sovereign in your own right or in God's Eyes depending on your religion

Sovereignty is something internal
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Re: District prosecutor told me I was NOT "one of the people" as written in the Constitution.
Try to obtain the transcript.

It is mysteriously gone.

Because of liabilities.
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You are a property of the state. Thats why your name always appears in all caps in any federal documemnt/database.
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Yes, this is specifically stated in the 14th amendment to the SECOND constitution. ...That a person born in a "State" is a SUBJECT of that State.

But, I was not born in the "US" as defined by statute - as Washington DC only) Nor was I born in the State in which I currently live.

So, I am not a subject, technically, but they ALWAYS assume that everybody IS.
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You can't be a subject if you never agreed to the system

You never consented with full disclosure which means it doesn't apply to anyone

Nobody has ever consented

Same as King's land.
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11/14/2012 02:56 PM
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you tried quoting the constitution in traffic court, and you wonder why they fucked you hard and deep?? yeah, be sure to petition a federal appeals court for redress, they could really use the laugh. hint: criminal law pertains to actual criminal cases, not administrative code violations. vehicle and traffic law is admin code, except in cases that are criminally prosecutable. all that clarence darrow horseshit means squat.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27573720


I was charged with misdemeanor "obstructing a peace officer" for simple saying "I do not consent" and rolling up my window.

TRUST me, I know a LOT more about the system than you do. I spent 2 years full time reading all of the alternative law stuff and then one day, I decided to test it.

I took it in the ass.

All of you people are making a LOT of assumptions, but I am asking a simple question on a parallel subject.

Keep your assumptions and post INFORMATION.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27384624


in your OP, you say "this was a traffic violation contest". i didnt make any assumptions, i went with the bullshit YOU provided. misdemeanor obstruction ISN'T a traffic violation, dickhead. so, how about this: pony up as much pertinent info as you can (like jurisdiction, actual code you were charged with, any additional charges you might have "neglected" to mention), and you might actually get some pertinent input. or maybe you thought fucking kreskin was going to respond to your post?
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Re: District prosecutor told me I was NOT "one of the people" as written in the Constitution.
Are We the People we have been waiting for?

We hold the Bill of Rights,
And speak them.

We do not aquiess to questions.

If you believe you are something,
Then that is what you are.

She tricked your ass, simple like.

You did not object, or correct.

Speak law
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Trust me, I did. I was SHUSHED and railroaded and I persisted LOUDLY, even quoting a SPJ who said that "right's belong only to one who demands them..." etc.

You people are STILL assuming many things about what I did or did not do.

Answer the original question and keep your ASSumptions in your asses.
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11/14/2012 02:58 PM
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The constitution was written for "ourselves and our posterity".

That means THE DUDES WHO SIGNED IT AND THEIR HEIRS.

You are not nor ever were a party to it.
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11/14/2012 02:59 PM
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Re: District prosecutor told me I was NOT "one of the people" as written in the Constitution.
Rule #l

In their world a driver license = CONSENT

Rule #2

Talk to a statute enforcer is CONSENT

Rule #3

There is NO CONSENT unless there is FULL DISCLOSURE

There has never been full disclosure which means their system is NULL & VOID
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you tried quoting the constitution in traffic court, and you wonder why they fucked you hard and deep?? yeah, be sure to petition a federal appeals court for redress, they could really use the laugh. hint: criminal law pertains to actual criminal cases, not administrative code violations. vehicle and traffic law is admin code, except in cases that are criminally prosecutable. all that clarence darrow horseshit means squat.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27573720


I was charged with misdemeanor "obstructing a peace officer" for simple saying "I do not consent" and rolling up my window.

TRUST me, I know a LOT more about the system than you do. I spent 2 years full time reading all of the alternative law stuff and then one day, I decided to test it.

I took it in the ass.

All of you people are making a LOT of assumptions, but I am asking a simple question on a parallel subject.

Keep your assumptions and post INFORMATION.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27384624


in your OP, you say "this was a traffic violation contest". i didnt make any assumptions, i went with the bullshit YOU provided. misdemeanor obstruction ISN'T a traffic violation, dickhead. so, how about this: pony up as much pertinent info as you can (like jurisdiction, actual code you were charged with, any additional charges you might have "neglected" to mention), and you might actually get some pertinent input. or maybe you thought fucking kreskin was going to respond to your post?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27573720


It was a traffic stop. I refused to consent and was hauled in. The misdemeanor ("criminal") charge was added later by overzealous prosecutors.

So, try to refrain from injecting your ego into the discussion.
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The constitution was written for "ourselves and our posterity".

That means THE DUDES WHO SIGNED IT AND THEIR HEIRS.

You are not nor ever were a party to it.
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Thank you

People are so stupid
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Re: District prosecutor told me I was NOT "one of the people" as written in the Constitution.
Rule #l

In their world a driver license = CONSENT

Rule #2

Talk to a statute enforcer is CONSENT

Rule #3

There is NO CONSENT unless there is FULL DISCLOSURE

There has never been full disclosure which means their system is NULL & VOID
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People keep saying this, but I keep saying: Test your theories and see haw far you get.

If one of you is David Merril, why don't you tell them how you have to BIKE everywhere in the snow?
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The constitution was written for "ourselves and our posterity".

That means THE DUDES WHO SIGNED IT AND THEIR HEIRS.

You are not nor ever were a party to it.
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Yes. I believe this, so WHY is everybody told that it applies to them... and then one fat, sweaty prosecutor lets the cat out of the bag?
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you tried quoting the constitution in traffic court, and you wonder why they fucked you hard and deep?? yeah, be sure to petition a federal appeals court for redress, they could really use the laugh. hint: criminal law pertains to actual criminal cases, not administrative code violations. vehicle and traffic law is admin code, except in cases that are criminally prosecutable. all that clarence darrow horseshit means squat.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27573720


I was charged with misdemeanor "obstructing a peace officer" for simple saying "I do not consent" and rolling up my window.

TRUST me, I know a LOT more about the system than you do. I spent 2 years full time reading all of the alternative law stuff and then one day, I decided to test it.

I took it in the ass.

All of you people are making a LOT of assumptions, but I am asking a simple question on a parallel subject.

Keep your assumptions and post INFORMATION.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27384624


in your OP, you say "this was a traffic violation contest". i didnt make any assumptions, i went with the bullshit YOU provided. misdemeanor obstruction ISN'T a traffic violation, dickhead. so, how about this: pony up as much pertinent info as you can (like jurisdiction, actual code you were charged with, any additional charges you might have "neglected" to mention), and you might actually get some pertinent input. or maybe you thought fucking kreskin was going to respond to your post?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27573720


It was a traffic stop. I refused to consent and was hauled in. The misdemeanor ("criminal") charge was added later by overzealous prosecutors.

So, try to refrain from injecting your ego into the discussion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27384624


Hello is there anybody in there?

You refused to consent but you already consented with your driver license

You already agreed to their system by signing your driver license

Yes in their warped minds you consented even though you didn't because there was no full disclosure

Either pay the fine or disappear off the radar
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Re: District prosecutor told me I was NOT "one of the people" as written in the Constitution.
The constitution was written for "ourselves and our posterity".

That means THE DUDES WHO SIGNED IT AND THEIR HEIRS.

You are not nor ever were a party to it.
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Yes. I believe this, so WHY is everybody told that it applies to them... and then one fat, sweaty prosecutor lets the cat out of the bag?
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It's called Plato's Cave
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"The People" does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243). Check it before you wreck it. Condemnation before investigation, is the highest level of ignorance.
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Re: District prosecutor told me I was NOT "one of the people" as written in the Constitution.
Rule #l

In their world a driver license = CONSENT

Rule #2

Talk to a statute enforcer is CONSENT

Rule #3

There is NO CONSENT unless there is FULL DISCLOSURE

There has never been full disclosure which means their system is NULL & VOID
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26551418


People keep saying this, but I keep saying: Test your theories and see haw far you get.

If one of you is David Merril, why don't you tell them how you have to BIKE everywhere in the snow?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27384624


You signed a driver license

You already consented

Drive without a license

It's better for your health
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Are We the People we have been waiting for?

We hold the Bill of Rights,
And speak them.

We do not aquiess to questions.

If you believe you are something,
Then that is what you are.

She tricked your ass, simple like.

You did not object, or correct.

Speak law
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Trust me, I did. I was SHUSHED and railroaded and I persisted LOUDLY, even quoting a SPJ who said that "right's belong only to one who demands them..." etc.

You people are STILL assuming many things about what I did or did not do.

Answer the original question and keep your ASSumptions in your asses.
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I meant "SCJ" Supreme Court Justice.
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Rule #l

In their world a driver license = CONSENT

Rule #2

Talk to a statute enforcer is CONSENT

Rule #3

There is NO CONSENT unless there is FULL DISCLOSURE

There has never been full disclosure which means their system is NULL & VOID
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26551418


People keep saying this, but I keep saying: Test your theories and see haw far you get.

If one of you is David Merril, why don't you tell them how you have to BIKE everywhere in the snow?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27384624


You signed a driver license

You already consented

Drive without a license

It's better for your health
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Makes no difference. It is now "criminal" to drive without one, BTW. That means, tazer, jail.
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"The People" does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243). Check it before you wreck it. Condemnation before investigation, is the highest level of ignorance.
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These details are conveniently left out of the presentations by for-profit freeman fighters.
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---> www.barefootsworld.net/usfraud.html
---> www.in5d.com/40-outrageous-facts-most-people-dont-know.html

I think there are threads on those two here...

Also search the National Archives and reference a Blacks Law Dictionary
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11/14/2012 03:09 PM
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Re: District prosecutor told me I was NOT "one of the people" as written in the Constitution.
How can you be a party to a document you NEVER SIGNED?

You never signed the constitution so it doesn't pertain to you
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That makes perfect sense, but then WHY are all Americans raised to believe that they ARE a party to that document?

Eh?

Keep in mind that I have read EVERY strawman, freeman, redemption etc. piece of material that exists.

ALL of it.

It does not work in court, because the fascist system will just tune you out or shush you and proceed to the end (you, screwed) without allowing anything on the record.


Now, I want to see official documents that address my first question: Who are "the people" and why am I not one of them.

I can understand that I did not sign the Constitution, but then WHAT THE FUCK do we have state Constitutions for?

This is the one I was told I was not a party to.
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Does this have to do with the IRS? If so,

There is a clause in the Constitution, You ( as in your full name ) are a CORPORATION (i.e. JOHN E. DOE ) Your "we the people" is ( i.e. John E, of the DOE Family )

When you are born, your birth cirtificate is sold to the FEDS as a bond on JOHN E.DOE, in essence you should be able to pay all your IRS owed money from a simple signature upon your Birth Cirtificate.

I might not be explaining it correctly and if anyone here knows what im talking about please intervene. I have seen it on here before and there are key words to use to make this happen in your favor. It all dates back to 1913. I'll try to find more info for you
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Re: District prosecutor told me I was NOT "one of the people" as written in the Constitution.
If you are a foreigner, you can speed all over and if pigs say anything, show them a foreign license. Since they have no jurisdiction, the only thing they actually have power to do is deport you, and it's unlikely they will bother with that over a speeding ticket.

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