District prosecutor told me I was NOT "one of the people" as written in the Constitution. | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2059592 United States 11/14/2012 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She was probably involved in secret occult societies along with a huge chunk of judges and LEO. You are not a Free Man. Freemason. She was probably Order of the Eastern Star, she just slipped. Tell her to suck Baphomets cock and watch her reaction. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19490298 United States 11/14/2012 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are a natural born "Citizen". It comes with same rights as anyone else. This link will clarify: [link to constitution.org] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27736309 United States 11/14/2012 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the constitution has been usurped just look up the missing 13th amendment heres some good stuff for ya [link to www.barefootsworld.net] other then that, take it back a bit to the declaration of independents. we did not ask for permission 'we declared it" and in that document it says; That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed the keywords are " I do not consent" ;) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19490298 United States 11/14/2012 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, I gave you a full link. Here's an excerpt. They may think you are part of the last paragraph (of which, I now do to). Personhood:[1] "Persons" are one of the two main classes which are the subject of rights, powers, and duties, the other being "citizens". Persons may be "natural" or "corporate". "Citizens" are a subclass of "natural persons". Only persons have standing as parties under due process. Each government has the power to define what is and is not a "person" within its jurisdiction, subject to certain restrictions of Common Law and the Constitution, the 15th Amendment to which requires that it not exclude anyone based on race, color, or previous condition of servitude. Under Common Law existing at the time of the adoption of the U.S. Constitution, "natural personhood" was considered to begin at natural birth and end with the cessation of the heartbeat. But technology has created a new situation, opening the way for statute or court decision to extend this definition and set the conditions under which personhood begins and ends. Each government may also establish, within its jurisdiction, "corporate persons" such as governmental entities, associations, trusts, corporations, or partnerships, in addition to the Common Law "natural" persons, but the "personhood" of such corporate entities is not created by the government. Its corporate personhood derives from the personhood of its members. Corporate persons must be aggregates of natural persons. Under Common Law, persons include only individual human beings and combinations of them acting in concert, but it provides a basis for inclusion of entities that are sufficiently like human beings in their behavior to be indistinguishable for legal purposes, such as aliens, androids, or genetically enhanced animals, which have interests, an ability to reason, and an ability to communicate. This would exclude, however, establishment of other things as persons, such as inanimate objects, which have no ability to represent themselves under due process. Inclusion of such inanimate objects as parties to civil due process, in effect making them "persons", has found its way into the U.S. legal system as in rem proceedings, unconstitutionally, through recent seizure/forfeiture statutes. Although not a well-developed area, there is also a basis for excluding entities which, although they are born to human beings, lack attributes which would enable them to be functionally human, such as some minimal level of cognitive capacity, but such beings must be considered natural persons as the default unless proven otherwise through due process. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 27384624 United States 11/14/2012 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the constitution has been usurped Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27736309 just look up the missing 13th amendment heres some good stuff for ya [link to www.barefootsworld.net] other then that, take it back a bit to the declaration of independents. we did not ask for permission 'we declared it" and in that document it says; That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed the keywords are " I do not consent" ;) I tried all that strawman bullshit and took it up the ass in court. I probably have a federal case because, after the case was closed and I got my "sentence" I got a letter in the mail with an "amended sentence" to pay MORE MONEY. Which is a violation of basic rights. My QUESTION is, where in offical records can I find the explanation of why I am not one of the people... Annnnd, if that is the case, why are all we all brought up to believe that we are? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26551418 United States 11/14/2012 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 27384624 United States 11/14/2012 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, I gave you a full link. Here's an excerpt. They may think you are part of the last paragraph (of which, I now do to). Quoting: Methane Personhood:[1] "Persons" are one of the two main classes which are the subject of rights, powers, and duties, the other being "citizens". Persons may be "natural" or "corporate". "Citizens" are a subclass of "natural persons". Only persons have standing as parties under due process. Each government has the power to define what is and is not a "person" within its jurisdiction, subject to certain restrictions of Common Law and the Constitution, the 15th Amendment to which requires that it not exclude anyone based on race, color, or previous condition of servitude. Under Common Law existing at the time of the adoption of the U.S. Constitution, "natural personhood" was considered to begin at natural birth and end with the cessation of the heartbeat. But technology has created a new situation, opening the way for statute or court decision to extend this definition and set the conditions under which personhood begins and ends. Each government may also establish, within its jurisdiction, "corporate persons" such as governmental entities, associations, trusts, corporations, or partnerships, in addition to the Common Law "natural" persons, but the "personhood" of such corporate entities is not created by the government. Its corporate personhood derives from the personhood of its members. Corporate persons must be aggregates of natural persons. Under Common Law, persons include only individual human beings and combinations of them acting in concert, but it provides a basis for inclusion of entities that are sufficiently like human beings in their behavior to be indistinguishable for legal purposes, such as aliens, androids, or genetically enhanced animals, which have interests, an ability to reason, and an ability to communicate. This would exclude, however, establishment of other things as persons, such as inanimate objects, which have no ability to represent themselves under due process. Inclusion of such inanimate objects as parties to civil due process, in effect making them "persons", has found its way into the U.S. legal system as in rem proceedings, unconstitutionally, through recent seizure/forfeiture statutes. Although not a well-developed area, there is also a basis for excluding entities which, although they are born to human beings, lack attributes which would enable them to be functionally human, such as some minimal level of cognitive capacity, but such beings must be considered natural persons as the default unless proven otherwise through due process. I am reading that entire page, but it does not address my question. "people" are NOT "persons." Citizens are neither of those two. They are all distinct entities. WHO are "The people?" |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 27384624 United States 11/14/2012 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How can you be a party to a document you NEVER SIGNED? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26551418 You never signed the constitution so it doesn't pertain to you That makes perfect sense, but then WHY are all Americans raised to believe that they ARE a party to that document? Eh? Keep in mind that I have read EVERY strawman, freeman, redemption etc. piece of material that exists. ALL of it. It does not work in court, because the fascist system will just tune you out or shush you and proceed to the end (you, screwed) without allowing anything on the record. Now, I want to see official documents that address my first question: Who are "the people" and why am I not one of them. I can understand that I did not sign the Constitution, but then WHAT THE FUCK do we have state Constitutions for? This is the one I was told I was not a party to. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26551418 United States 11/14/2012 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How can you be a party to a document you NEVER SIGNED? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26551418 You never signed the constitution so it doesn't pertain to you That makes perfect sense, but then WHY are all Americans raised to believe that they ARE a party to that document? Eh? Keep in mind that I have read EVERY strawman, freeman, redemption etc. piece of material that exists. ALL of it. It does not work in court, because the fascist system will just tune you out or shush you and proceed to the end (you, screwed) without allowing anything on the record. Now, I want to see official documents that address my first question: Who are "the people" and why am I not one of them. I can understand that I did not sign the Constitution, but then WHAT THE FUCK do we have state Constitutions for? This is the one I was told I was not a party to. It's called Plato's Cave Why did you go to court? What did you expect from corporate courts? All States are CORPORATIONS |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6041115 United States 11/14/2012 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are no official documents pertaining to rights after the year 1976 I believe. After that date "the people" ceased to exist as an entity and was replaced by governing states rights. Look to your local State constitution for answers How else do you think an immigrant from Kenya came to power without recourse? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 27384624 United States 11/14/2012 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Put it this way Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26551418 Nobody has jurisdiction over you because you have never consented to anything But what did you do? You talked to them which in their world = CONSENT That's simply not true. If you don't talk, you'll get tazered and dumped off in jail. Trust me, I know. I did it. CONSENT is not required in this fascist system. Anybody who says otherwise in SELLING SOMETHING. Also, on this subject I have to deal with a lot of male egos who bought into the "strawman" idea and cannot be convinced that they are not right (because they paid money and time to "learn" about it.) To all of you: I challenge you to go get arrested and then try to get off the hook using strawman BS. Go ahead, I'll wait. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26551418 United States 11/14/2012 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People are such tards The whole founding fathers stuff is bullshit The Republic stuff is bullshit None of us has ever consented to any system because there has never been full disclosure It's all bullshit including the republic Nothing has changed from the days of the King's land People are still subjects |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26551418 United States 11/14/2012 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Put it this way Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26551418 Nobody has jurisdiction over you because you have never consented to anything But what did you do? You talked to them which in their world = CONSENT That's simply not true. If you don't talk, you'll get tazered and dumped off in jail. Trust me, I know. I did it. CONSENT is not required in this fascist system. Anybody who says otherwise in SELLING SOMETHING. Also, on this subject I have to deal with a lot of male egos who bought into the "strawman" idea and cannot be convinced that they are not right (because they paid money and time to "learn" about it.) To all of you: I challenge you to go get arrested and then try to get off the hook using strawman BS. Go ahead, I'll wait. I haven't consented to talk 4 times to statute enforcers no problemo |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21997452 United States 11/14/2012 02:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Um, are you white? are you male? and do you own property or land of your own? Because thats is who they were talking about when they wrote that. Seriously, they meant... WHITE MALE LAND OWNERS thats who they gave the service of representation to times have changed... oh wait... haven't they? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 27384624 United States 11/14/2012 02:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you tried quoting the constitution in traffic court, and you wonder why they fucked you hard and deep?? yeah, be sure to petition a federal appeals court for redress, they could really use the laugh. hint: criminal law pertains to actual criminal cases, not administrative code violations. vehicle and traffic law is admin code, except in cases that are criminally prosecutable. all that clarence darrow horseshit means squat. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27573720 I was charged with misdemeanor "obstructing a peace officer" for simple saying "I do not consent" and rolling up my window. TRUST me, I know a LOT more about the system than you do. I spent 2 years full time reading all of the alternative law stuff and then one day, I decided to test it. I took it in the ass. All of you people are making a LOT of assumptions, but I am asking a simple question on a parallel subject. Keep your assumptions and post INFORMATION. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 27384624 United States 11/14/2012 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Um, are you white? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21997452 are you male? and do you own property or land of your own? Because thats is who they were talking about when they wrote that. Seriously, they meant... WHITE MALE LAND OWNERS thats who they gave the service of representation to times have changed... oh wait... haven't they? Yes. I am a white male land owner. Next stupid question.... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 27384624 United States 11/14/2012 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Put it this way Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26551418 Nobody has jurisdiction over you because you have never consented to anything But what did you do? You talked to them which in their world = CONSENT That's simply not true. If you don't talk, you'll get tazered and dumped off in jail. Trust me, I know. I did it. CONSENT is not required in this fascist system. Anybody who says otherwise in SELLING SOMETHING. Also, on this subject I have to deal with a lot of male egos who bought into the "strawman" idea and cannot be convinced that they are not right (because they paid money and time to "learn" about it.) To all of you: I challenge you to go get arrested and then try to get off the hook using strawman BS. Go ahead, I'll wait. I haven't consented to talk 4 times to statute enforcers no problemo BUllshit |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26551418 United States 11/14/2012 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Um, are you white? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21997452 are you male? and do you own property or land of your own? Because thats is who they were talking about when they wrote that. Seriously, they meant... WHITE MALE LAND OWNERS thats who they gave the service of representation to times have changed... oh wait... haven't they? Nobody owns property because they're listed as TENANTS on their housing deeds Planet Earth owns all the land |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26551418 United States 11/14/2012 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Put it this way Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26551418 Nobody has jurisdiction over you because you have never consented to anything But what did you do? You talked to them which in their world = CONSENT That's simply not true. If you don't talk, you'll get tazered and dumped off in jail. Trust me, I know. I did it. CONSENT is not required in this fascist system. Anybody who says otherwise in SELLING SOMETHING. Also, on this subject I have to deal with a lot of male egos who bought into the "strawman" idea and cannot be convinced that they are not right (because they paid money and time to "learn" about it.) To all of you: I challenge you to go get arrested and then try to get off the hook using strawman BS. Go ahead, I'll wait. I haven't consented to talk 4 times to statute enforcers no problemo BUllshit No bullshit Jose |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26551418 United States 11/14/2012 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you tried quoting the constitution in traffic court, and you wonder why they fucked you hard and deep?? yeah, be sure to petition a federal appeals court for redress, they could really use the laugh. hint: criminal law pertains to actual criminal cases, not administrative code violations. vehicle and traffic law is admin code, except in cases that are criminally prosecutable. all that clarence darrow horseshit means squat. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27573720 I was charged with misdemeanor "obstructing a peace officer" for simple saying "I do not consent" and rolling up my window. TRUST me, I know a LOT more about the system than you do. I spent 2 years full time reading all of the alternative law stuff and then one day, I decided to test it. I took it in the ass. All of you people are making a LOT of assumptions, but I am asking a simple question on a parallel subject. Keep your assumptions and post INFORMATION. You already consenting because you signed a driver license dumbass Vehicles are a different story when you have consented in their eyes with a driver license I was walking when I didn't consent |
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