All 50 States have petitions open asking to peacefully withdraw from the Union

In other words, we need a new contract for America guaranteeing that the old powers can't infiltrate and take over the new government. It is not us that wasted America, it's as you said, the current establishment.

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why did i press p? oO

They laugh because they know how powerless citizens are to do anything. We can't get an American in the White House, but we can be heard. If enough people are involved, then the states may take action. Numbers are power even in America. They ignored Occupy until they had to pay attention, then they ignored Occupy again. It's still going on today, but you don't see any reports in the papers or on the news.

Just shut up, bend over, and take it, rabbits!

I don't know about that, but as long as Obama is in the White House America is dead.

Sometimes, you just have to realize you're going to lose no matter what, and not give a damn. Just stick your finger right in your opponent's eye anyway.

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A good heartfelt post OP. Thanks for putting my feelings into words. I know our country has turned the corner and there is no going back.

I grieve, and I signed my state's petition. I want nothing to do with the corruption emanating from DC.

Hmmm... China or Obama. Hmmm... That's a really tough one. Let me think on that for a bit.

The blood of commerce is contracts. The essence of contracts are words.

If a word can be twisted to mean anything... then every word in the contract is a loophole.

Bill Clinton : "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

Do you think he was just being funny?

No... he was practicing at Law.

What he said. After my very own heart.

"Attorney at Law"

You all have seen this....

Ever wondered.... if the attorneys are acting at law.... Who then... is performing IN LAW?

ahhh yes... a small little word... that changes the ENTIRE meaning of the sentence.

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When you think about all the soldiers who have died defending America, how can you be so selfish as to run and hide from a petition? Grow some balls or stay out of my threads please.

To be honest, america was only alive for awhile because we ramsacked other nations, it was on life support since 2001

in response, most of the comments coming from political hacks display a deep, deep ignorance of the history of secession and the Constitutional realities behind it.

In response, I thought I’d list some retorts to the basic myths which most of the anti-secession screeds are intent on perpetuating.

1. The Constitution does not prohibit secession. The legal argument boils down to this: 1. The Constitution does not mention secession. In any way. 2. The Tenth Amendment says: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Now, I don’t have a Ph.D. in logic, but even I can figure out that if something is not mentioned, then, according to the 10th Amendment, it isn’t prohibited to the states. In fact is is the opposite of prohibited. Now, I know that the Supreme Court says no secession allowed, which means the federal government has declared that you can’t escape the federal government. Gee, that’s no shocker. So sure, if you believe that the federal government should be the last word on what the federal government can and cannot do, then that’s fine. Just don’t pretend that we have constitutional government. If the federal government gets to decide what the Constitution says, then the Constitution is nothing more than a suggestion box for the feds.

2. The Civil War did not “settle” the issue. Well, it settled the issue in the way that I settled the matter of ownership of that Steve Garvey baseball card when I beat up that other kid and took it. (OK, that never happened, but you get my point.) Secession was never settled beyond the federal government’s assertion that it has the right to kill people who try to exercise their rights protected by the Tenth Amendment.

3. Secession is treason/unAmerican/craaaazy/for slavers only. Prior to the confederacy, there were some slaveowners who got together and seceded from their government. They were called Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. If you’re opposed to the secession of 1776, then that’s fine, you might be consistent on this issue, but if you’re one of these right-wing pundits who thinks the Declaration of Independence should be read aloud every July 4, and then says that secession is nutso, you might try actually reading that document you profess to love.

The Declaration makes a simple argument:
1. Humans have rights from the Creator
2. Governments exist to secure those rights (a debatable assertion but we’ll roll with it.)
3. When the government fails to secure those rights, we can ditch it and start our own government.

That’s pretty much all it says. If you thought that was true in 1776, when tax rates were 1% and there was not such thing as a the EPA or the FBI or the IRS, why is it not true now? Because we’re so much more free now? And no, the Declaration did not say that the government is free to violate rights as long as people get to vote on it.

The Declaration establishes that there’s no such thing as treason, and a free government requires the assumption of just secession. Lysander Spooner explains (in No Treason #1):

Thus the whole Revolution [of 1775-1783] turned upon, asserted, and, in theory, established, the right of each and every man, at his discretion, to release himself from the support of the government under which he had lived. And this principle was asserted, not as a right peculiar to themselves, or to that time, or as applicable only to the government then existing; but as a universal right of all men, at all times, and under all circumstances.

WOLVERINES!

An island, a beautiful, beautiful island with coconut and palm trees. No electricity, but all the fish you can catch and warm summer breezes. No government ... no muslims ... no b's ... no free rides ... no beurocracy.

But a petition or a lawsuit should be pursued first. Sometimes the pen can be mightier than the sword.

Thank you.

I understood you:)

Brains, glorious brains. Why didn't you run against Obama?

I think America has been dying a slow death since Vietnam.

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There are other 'make a petition' websites. Odd they never made the news.


[link to www.ipetitions.com]


[link to www.thepetitionsite.com]


Apparently WhiteHouse.gov didnt want all the petitions over there on a different site they couldnt control. Start a petition at WH.gov and they will manipulate the numbers.

There are so many different petitions going on right now, it's crazy.

There is another petition that is gaining force that asks Obama to strip the citizenship of everyone who’s signed a petition to secede.

[link to petitions.whitehouse.gov (secure)]

This is the one that I favor:

Allow Any American To Voluntarily Opt Out Of "ObamaCare" [The So Called Affordable Care Act]

[link to petitions.whitehouse.gov (secure)]

Because the common man is NOT allowed to.

Allow Any American To Voluntarily Opt Out Of "ObamaCare" [The So Called Affordable Care Act]


I signed that one too.

I agree. The truth is, the only way we could ever regain control of OUR country is through an organized revolution. It's happened before and can happen again.

That's actually part of what I was saying. It's really not our government and never has been.