All 50 States have petitions open asking to peacefully withdraw from the Union

There was talk that if Obama lost the election minorities, especially blacks would riot.

There is a riot, a peaceful riot going on now.

Average Joe is petitioning to suceed

Business are scaling back or closing and laying off

Investors are pulling out of the stock market (600 point drop since election)

gun and ammo sales up 20% or more.

Retailers expecting a bad season (comsumers not spending).



This is the way civilized people riot.

Only 50?

That leaves 7 states that are not petitioning.

:P

guns and ammo sales up.
Gun Store Reports 400% Surge In Sales After Obama Re-Election .

Gun shop owners are reporting a spike in sales of up to 400 per cent in the aftermath of President Obama’s re-election, with some celebrating all time one day record sales, as fears over a lame duck administration eviscerating second amendment rights continue to dominate.

We sold 26 firearms in a period of 12 hours, 40,000 rounds of ammunition, there’s no telling how many magazines, just phenomenal,” said Bayazes.
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You Sir have no idea what being an American is then. Do some research on the Revolutionary War and get a clue as to what is going on now.

If Obama had lost the election, America might now be at war with itself, but it would have still been America. What is it now?

I left America.Some idiot cop arrested me when some idiot robbed my medication.Spent a week in jail.lol,the moronic Judge made a order that I am not to step foot on my property.So,I know its going down in value ans said fuck it,and also my CC bills.I am disabled so not worried about anyone taking my bank money.Just fuk em lol.I am in s luxery condo in Baja just riding like the wind.2012 for sure.what pathetic aholes cops are.

there was a saying, this is america if you dont like it get out!

Obama has those 7 states on lockdown..LOL

Kenya,Mexico,Cuba,etc

what is it now?

Obama lamby pamby land , the land of the entitlements where sheep are plentiful

The request was for somebody to come up with a meaningful solution to current problems. Your cryptic message is meaningless. If you can't come up with a meaningful solution, why are you even in my thread? I didn't invite your kind. You have all the answers, but you say nothing, you know all, but spread no knowledge. Yes, I can see what's brewing, but that which is brewing is not a solution but another problem. Take your idiotic wisdom to another thread.

That's at least a start.

That saying came out of an era where that the Federal government still had a pretense of being American. I haven't heard that in a while. It was, "America, love it or leave it." And similarly, "get your heart in dixie or get your ass out".

Does this mean Alberta and such are also going to revert to being sovereign nations like when the Queen pretended to let us go. She actually did really lets us free but the Canada formation was supposed to be done 'quickly' but it took 2 steps, 1 was to have representatives from the Provinces and Territories would meet and hammer out the finer details and then a vote would be taken from the voters. The 2nd step was never taken so by right that still has to be voted on before the places lose their sovereign status. That fact has a 'so what' reception from Canadians in general. lol Guess when they say you should know more about politics they mean just 'a little' more.

Wasn't America supposed to be kept in the 'condition' that was 'the foundation' and if it took some effort to make it happen then the citizens were expected to let the Gov (hired people btw)know they were on the wrong direction. For the last 50 years lots of bills that got passed should have been voted on by all the voters because the ones hired to do it right were taking advise from ones that didn't care if the 'voters' got shafted. You fire a thief, you don't give him a raise and give him an even more important job.

Post Title Correction:

"All 50 states have ignorant trailer trash residing in them".

Zimbabwe on the Potomac.

When was the last time you read the Declaration, inbred Yankee queer?

This is another way of telling us that you're black, right?

King George of the blue urine most likely said something of the sort long ago.

It's Kenya, Kenya. Nobody has accused Obama of being Zimbabwean. It's Kenya on the Potomac.

I'm liking you more with every post. Thanks.

There are already a few attempts to indite by grand jury all have failed so far. The law is trying to say that grand jury is a joke!

(I have a lot of feelings toward this subject. Caution rant on.)

That the people can't assemble as a recognizable power of authority over the government. When that is the main damn reason we have a system for a grand jury of pears so that we don't have the shit we see happening today.

People think the federal government has authority, and that is only true because that believe is what gives that power. The way the constitution and bill of rights lays it down is simple.

THE POWER LIES WITHIN THE PEOPLE AND SOLELY WITH THE PEOPLE!



The supreme court has already ruled in favor of grand jury and it's power in the past. We do have the power, we just have to remind people that we all have this power. The President is here to serve us, not the other way around. He has no authority over us. Any law or provision of any kind that isn't constitutional is unlawful and actually illegal.

But we don't have an authority that enforces constitutionality because that is unconstitutional.

But here is the law, trying to limit the power of a grand jury and keep it under control.

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Reform of federal grand jury system

Due to the criticism against the federal grand jury system[39] there are some reform proposals which include the following proposals:[39]
Better instructions from judges to jurors about the grand jury's powers and its independence from prosecutors
Increased access to grand jury transcripts for suspects who are eventually indicted
Expanded safeguards against abuse of witnesses, including education about their rights and the presence of their attorneys
Notification of targets of investigations that they are targets
Optional rather than mandatory appearances by targets of investigations
An end to the requirement that prosecutors present defense evidence, and replacement with a requirement that grand jurors be informed that the defense was not represented in the hearing.
Besides the above stated reform proposals the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers (NACDL) established "The Commission to Reform the Federal Grand Jury," a bi-partisan, blue-ribbon panel that included current and former prosecutors, as well as academics and defense attorneys. The unanimous conclusions and proposals of this diverse group were contained in the publication Federal Grand Jury Reform Report & 'Bill of Rights'.[40] Among the reforms detailed in that report were: (1) the right to counsel for grand jury witnesses who are not receiving immunity; (2) an obligation to present evidence which may exonerate the target or subject of the offense; and (3) the right for targets or subjects to testify.[35] Researchers Erin Crites, Jon Gould and Colleen Shepard of the Center for Justice, Law & Society at George Mason University studied the experiences of prosecutors, defense lawyers and retired judges in New York and Colorado. Four key reform recommendations emerged from their "Evaluating Grand Jury Reform in Two States: The Case for Reform" research study: (i) defense representation in the grand jury room, (ii) production of witness transcripts for the defense, (iii) advance notice for witnesses to appear, and (iv) the presentation of exculpatory evidence to the grand jury.[41] For further reading please see The Cato Institute report, "A Grand Facade: How the Grand Jury was Captured by Government," which addresses the history of, problems with, and reforms for the grand jury system.
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Grand Juries don't need a system of control because they are formed of citizens with no agenda other than to reconcile between constitutional authority and the illegal "Law(Government)".

We are the people and we are the true authority over ourselves and our communities. The power any official has is an illusion over the people. The truth is you can not have an authority at all. Not one person has authority over you. It's your life, not anyone else's. If they infringe on your right to live it is up to you to decide the right course of action. That is why the first amendment says we can say whatever the FUCK we want wherever, however to whoever we feel, no matter how nice or nasty. Because it is our responsibility on how we decide to conduct ourselves and how it comes back around to us. You have a second amendment right because you need to deal with any threat to your life from so called authority. How many people are falsely serving life or got the death penalty?

It's your life and you should be able to do what you want and be able to defend yourself if someone threatens it.

Anyways, the majority of the population has an IQ of 95. That is pathetic really, it's odd how we have as a population gotten dumber. Oh wait, no it's not. That is the control mechanism at work.

If you can't relate to what I am saying, congratulations you are the disconnected. The 90 percent, again congratulations. Your FEMA coffin is ready, why wait...just jump on in.


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Love be to all who deserve it and to those who don't. Love of being Created, love to live a life, at least you got to have a conscious experience. You could be nothing at all ever!

Enjoy it while it is still going on. Threat it like your last life and only life and be thankful your even here. It could end tomorrow as it has for many people and still happens each day.

This

I am in awe.

This is a spontaneous mass movement.

It was not started by a YouTube video. (Little tasteless joke.)

There are no leaders.... Glenn Beck just stabbed everybody in the back today saying "Don't sign that petition! Are you crazy? The White House will get your name!"... as if everybody who is registered on his Tea Party site isn't known to the Feds already. What a phony.

America's is the most precious, the most special lawful association of peoples in the entire world... because it is voluntary, and not enforced by a police state.

Although a police state did crush the Civil War.

Ron Paul spoke today in his Farewell Address about "Liberty" being the Moral Value that enables America to function, economically, politically, and spiritually.

Actually, there is a Video that might help:

VIDEO LINK:

[link to www.youtube.com]

they'll pass along the lists to the irs and the audits will increase mysteriously for the names on those lists.

Thread: In response to the State petitions to secede.


While it is perfectly understandable to demand States rights and to secede and no longer deal with a corrupted government. Corrupted in that Congress is treated ceremoniously, the Constitution being the Supreme Law of the Land is ignored. Where Wars are declared without a declaration of war which is required, and unconstitutional legislation is written, passed, signed, upheld and unconstitutionally enforced.

It is also important to acknowledge how we got to this point. We "seceded" pretty much from England, declaring our Independence due to England's own faults and oppressions against us as a people. From that, we have created a country for ourselves and put forth one of the greatest documents of all time, our Constitution. Which has been constructed over time to ensure power to the people who would be the true governing force, listed fundamental rights we've already possessed as further redundancy to state openly and loudly to all that this is what we can do and it should not be violated by anyone or any entity, and limited the power and scope a necessary evil such as government is meant to have.

However, since the beginning of our countries conception, there have been many who did not fully agree with that document. Many who would ignore it, ignore our rights, and attempt to usurp it and govern as if themselves were kings. From John Adams to Abraham Lincoln to the multitude of administrations of the past hundred plus years.

What this means is that the fight for our Independence, for our freedom has never ended. It has been ongoing. What this also means, if you look around you, is that the Liberty movement has been losing these past hundred plus years.

What does this mean? That we dissolve the Union and divide amongst each other? While there are pluses and minuses to everything, surely there could be a better solution?

Would the States secede and reunite under a new name and new laws? A new Constitution or remain individual?

If history teaches us anything, all such actions would mean is that, in time, the corruption being fled from would rear it's ugly head once more and gradually take over. Whether it's at a united level of the States, or within each State individually by themselves.

If that were to happen, what then? Another secession somewhere down the line, or States splitting in two through civil war?

No.

As it stands, there is nothing wrong with our Constitution other then a few Amendments illegally ratified here and there which contradict the Constitution ( Having a Federal Reserve in charge of the monetary when the Constitution puts that power to Congress).

So what is the answer to correcting a corrupted Constitution and a corrupted government?

Accountability.

We the People are charged with holding our elected officials accountable for their actions. You may think you would be able to do this by voting them out. No. By that time the damage has already been done.

If the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, and it is, and any actions by our elected officials, who work for us, act in violation of it, then that is a crime. A violation against the Supreme Law is a violation against the law, and no matter how you word it, law violators do not get time to see if they stay in office via election once they've violated the law, they are charged, tried, and judged accordingly.

If the States are responsible for their representatives in the Congress and the Senate, then they should handle them accordingly.

Until our representatives are held accountable for their unconstitutional actions via the court system, then whether the States stay in this union, form their own through secession, or remain independent, they will never defeat corruption.

You can not run from your problems, but must tackle them head on.

Should the States choose to secede, then they must acknowledge that unless they work to prevent what they are running from, from happening in their own systems, then it would be for nothing.

This

Our right to petition rests upon this excerpt:

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.


There's a lot of people who just roll over and take it, but true Americans will stand up and be counted. Hiding won't help. When people cover their eyes with their hands, they can still be seen but they don't count for anything...

All of this secession bullshit is funny to me... If you actually take the time to read all the fine print and terms of use on the whitehouse.gov website where all these petitions are being signed, you will notice that only petitions opened by the States (meaning the body of individuals who comprise the state government), not individuals, are legitimate. This means that each and every signature on each of the petitions is null and void. They mean nothing. Unless, of course, the petition was opened by the State government and not some random citizen. Sorry to throw a "reality-check" wrench in the gears of all the people actually getting excited about secession.

This is the prelude to martial law. A potential civil war.
The groundwork has already been laid out, and surprisingly it's Ron Paul who is leading this bull by the horns.

Ron Paul just made a video supporting secession and a day later gives his farewell speech, warning Americans of the current government.

Remember Ron Pauls campaign motto....?

Ron Paul REVOLUTION.

All part of the script.