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FLASH: RED ELERT The BOOK OF REVELATION IS TRUE. come and see

 
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I've been thinking about grabbin a bible and readin that whole thang! Which version is the 'realest'?
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If you are SERIOUS....and not a troll. Read the KJV. It is the only version to be directly translated from the Textus Conceptus.

It's the 'realest'.....the other's were made much later and HAVE COPYRIGHTS....they are NOT the true word of g-d..
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Did you seriously mean to write "textus conceptus"? Please tell me you don't think that's it's real name. Because then I'd conclude that you don't really know anything about ancient manuscripts or textual criticism.

And BTW, the KJV IS copyrighted, owned by none other than the Queen of England, who "graciously" declines to pursue her rights. I kid you not.
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Im not looking for cosmic interpretations in everything,just for in a majority of the book of revelation.
 Quoting: shadowrun

That's what "everything" meant in the context of this thread.

There are actually alot of scriptures that could easily mean somthing astrological.For example rev ch 6 v2

And i saw , and behold a whithorse:and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth coquering, and to conquer.

Yes you could think of this in the literal sense but does it really make sense? We have a planet in our solar system which attracts space debris and ejects it back out into space...it probably shines as if it has a crown and is white in color.Now think about all the four horseman of the apocalypse...think of the colors of their horses...white,red,black, and pale.Is the descriptions.Iv never personally seen a red horse...because horses are not red so it doesn't make sense.So where else do these colors commonly appear? space...The black horse with the scales?...funny because scientist speak of a black hole that could basically hold the balance between life and death for us.As for the pale horse...well we all know what else is pale in color from media...astroroids usually a pale grey color and guess what comes with it.hiding death.
 Quoting: shadowrun

Nobody disputes that the horses represent something other than horses. The problem is in ignoring the Bible's own explicit description of what the horses do: conquest, war, economic disaster, and death. They do not represent anything else in that context. By your technique, we could also say they represent four-color printing processes.
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JESUS CHRIST SAID "THE ENTIRE BOOK IS WRITTEN ABOUT ME!"

Revelation 10

I saw still another mighty angel coming down from heaven, clothed with a cloud. And a rainbow was on his head, his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire. (The Messiah Christ in all His Glory) He had a little book open in his hand. (The Simplicity of The New Covenant) And he set his right foot on the sea (Christ put His Right foot on The World…The Serpents Head) and his left foot on the land, (His left foot on the earth) and cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roars. (A Rushing Mighty Wind) When he cried out, seven thunders uttered their voices. Now when the seven thunders uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.” (Please read The Seven utterances of Christ on The Cross)
The angel (Jesus Christ) whom I saw standing on the sea (The World) and on the land (Earth) raised up his hand to heaven and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea (World) and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer, but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, (Colossians 1:26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and ...
as He declared to His servants the prophets.

Then the voice which I heard from heaven spoke to me again and said, “Go, take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel who stands on the sea and on the earth.” (The New Covenant was written with The Blood Of The Lamb)

So I went to the angel and said to him, “Give me the little book.” (Give me The New Covenant)
And he said to me, “Take and eat it; and it will make your stomach bitter, but it will be as sweet as honey in your mouth.” (The New Covenant is sweet Honey to our soul, and will put to death the deeds of the flesh!)
Then I took the little book out of the angel’s hand and ate it, and it was as sweet as honey in my mouth. But when I had eaten it, my stomach became bitter. (Flesh and blood cannot eat the sweetness of eternal life in Christ) And he said to me, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings.” (You must warn the people, to tread upon the nations… principalities and powers, languages, and kings of this fallen world)

(GO INTO ALL THE WORLD AND PREACH THE GOSPEL)
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REVELATION 9:17---

And thus I saw the horses (HORSEMEN = humans) in the vision: those (The SERPENT nature) who sat on them had breastplates (Out of the HEART of man proceeds all evil, THE EVIL MANIFESTS VIA THE SERPENTS TONGUE) of fiery red, (SIN) hyacinth blue, (DEATH) and sulfur yellow; (THE GRAVE ) and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions; (Sons/ children of God/ HUMANS) and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone. (HELLS FIRE) By these three plagues a third (The old nature/ Flesh ) of mankind was killed—by the fire (SIN) and the smoke (DEATH) and the brimstone (THE GRAVE) (Death and Life are in the power of our tongue) which came out of their mouths. For their power is in their mouth and in their tails; (The Tongue is the "TAIL" OF THE MOUTH!) for their tails (Tongues) are like serpents, having heads; (OUR TONGUE IS THE SERPENTS HEAD) and with them they do harm.

The confession out of the mouth of a man becomes his own death sentence!)
Satan speaks when we curse man or God, all humans are born with the fallen serpent nature and must be washed by Jesus Christ Blood)


JAMES 3

My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body. (This is 100% possible through Faith) Indeed, we put bits in horses’ mouths (The Blood is the Bit) that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body. Look also at ships: (Human bodies) although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, (Trials of life) they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot (Each man chooses to be the pilot until we are born again) desires. Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things. (Christian, are you going to allow the serpent to use your body in such a disgraceful manner?)
See how great a forest a little fire kindles! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell. For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. (Sin, Death and the Grave) With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so. Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh.

(Can THE SIN TREE bear HOLINESS, Can A HOLY VINE bear SIN?)
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Ok now that i have your attention.

Rev Ch 4 v1 AFTER this i looked,and behold, a door was opened in heaven:and the first voice which i heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me;which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.


This is the first chapter and verse about events dealing with us in the present time.If you want to know the truth.This is where to start.lets examine shall we.

Its obvious that this person saw an opening in space above him,or the opening of a giant ship above him, or some kind of door opening high above his location drawing him upwards and in and then takes him abroad in space and shows him things...A massive object nearing earth could disrupt the magnetic field causing the trumpet like sounds being heard all over the world that is described here.Anything bending those fields or affecting earths gravity perhaps could produce such large scale sounds as those.
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Rev ch 4 v 2-4 does anyone care to explain this true meaning?


And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. v3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. v4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats i saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
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Anu,king of the Annunaki,the ancient of days is the one who is described here...................................sheep
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Im not looking for cosmic interpretations in everything,just for in a majority of the book of revelation.
 Quoting: shadowrun

That's what "everything" meant in the context of this thread.

There are actually alot of scriptures that could easily mean somthing astrological.For example rev ch 6 v2

And i saw , and behold a whithorse:and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth coquering, and to conquer.

Yes you could think of this in the literal sense but does it really make sense? We have a planet in our solar system which attracts space debris and ejects it back out into space...it probably shines as if it has a crown and is white in color.Now think about all the four horseman of the apocalypse...think of the colors of their horses...white,red,black, and pale.Is the descriptions.Iv never personally seen a red horse...because horses are not red so it doesn't make sense.So where else do these colors commonly appear? space...The black horse with the scales?...funny because scientist speak of a black hole that could basically hold the balance between life and death for us.As for the pale horse...well we all know what else is pale in color from media...astroroids usually a pale grey color and guess what comes with it.hiding death.
 Quoting: shadowrun

Nobody disputes that the horses represent something other than horses. The problem is in ignoring the Bible's own explicit description of what the horses do: conquest, war, economic disaster, and death. They do not represent anything else in that context. By your technique, we could also say they represent four-color printing processes.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


To say they were printing process would be wrong because it does not make any logical sense.I also dont see where you derived ecominic disaster from those scriptures.Other then that could cause us to kill each other,which could be true so then ok we have conquest, war, economic disaster, and finally death...But where does the color scheme fit into to this...why do the horses have colors attached? We could have easily understood this without having colors...so where do they come into play?
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To say they were printing process would be wrong because it does not make any logical sense.I also dont see where you derived ecominic disaster from those scriptures.Other then that could cause us to kill each other,which could be true so then ok we have conquest, war, economic disaster, and finally death...But where does the color scheme fit into to this...why do the horses have colors attached? We could have easily understood this without having colors...so where do they come into play?
 Quoting: shadowrun


The printing thing was to show that the technique or exegesis method is highly arbitrary and can be used to prove almost anything.

Economic disaster comes from the explicit statement about the prices of bread etc. Combined with the scales for weighing silver/gold, the meaning is very clear. This is about extreme scarcity, which follows logically after war.

Here is something I wrote about that a while back: [link to www.fether.net]

Excerpt:
Rev. 6:1-2 – “bow” (toxon) is a means of shooting arrows, not any kind of ornamental ribbon or even a halo. The Septuagint does not render this word as anything but a weapon of war (see Zechariah 9), except for the rainbow after the Flood. Note also that this bow is held in the rider’s hand, not worn like a sash. Similarly, the crown (stephanos) on the rider’s head is not the diadem of royalty but the wreath of the winner of a contest. The white color of the horse often represents purity throughout Revelation, but it also symbolized indifference or peace to the Greeks of the time. Considering all of this as well as the fact that it is the Lamb opening the seals, rather than riding the horse, it seems clear that this seal’s horse and rider do not represent Christ and the church, which was never told to conquer the world but only to evangelize it. Otherwise we’d have to say that the church has been without power or weapons.

Rev. 6:3-4 – The “fiery” (purros) horse, if red, symbolized death to the Greeks; if literally made of fire, it would symbolize that which consumes and destroys. From the statements there about the large sword and people slaughtering each other, it seems clear that this seal denotes all-out war. The fact that this follows immediately after the white horse lends further weight to the interpretation that this has nothing to do with Christ or the church, such that we can interpret the white horse and rider as denoting a conquest that is not open war, such as political intrigue, espionage, and organized crime. Also note that these horses and riders are the ones instigating the judgments, not suffering them; thus they cannot represent the suffering of Christ or the church.

Rev. 6:5-6 – The black horse can symbolize mourning, but given the statement about scarcity of necessities it more likely represents economic disaster. If the first horse represented a weakening of society, and the second the open destruction of infrastructure, this interpretation of economic ruin seems to follow logically.

Rev. 6:7-8 – The fourth horse is literally green (chloros), and in ancient Greece it symbolized fear. But it is ridden by Death and Hades, again the natural results of the preceding seals. Note that these are given power to kill one-fourth (not one-third as in a later judgment) of the world’s population by not only war but also its typical aftermath.
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REVELATION 9:17---

And thus I saw the horses (HORSEMEN = humans) in the vision: those (The SERPENT nature) who sat on them had breastplates (Out of the HEART of man proceeds all evil, THE EVIL MANIFESTS VIA THE SERPENTS TONGUE) of fiery red, (SIN) hyacinth blue, (DEATH) and sulfur yellow; (THE GRAVE ) and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions; (Sons/ children of God/ HUMANS) and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone. (HELLS FIRE) By these three plagues a third (The old nature/ Flesh ) of mankind was killed—by the fire (SIN) and the smoke (DEATH) and the brimstone (THE GRAVE) (Death and Life are in the power of our tongue) which came out of their mouths. For their power is in their mouth and in their tails; (The Tongue is the "TAIL" OF THE MOUTH!) for their tails (Tongues) are like serpents, having heads; (OUR TONGUE IS THE SERPENTS HEAD) and with them they do harm.

The confession out of the mouth of a man becomes his own death sentence!)
Satan speaks when we curse man or God, all humans are born with the fallen serpent nature and must be washed by Jesus Christ Blood)


JAMES 3

My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body. (This is 100% possible through Faith) Indeed, we put bits in horses’ mouths (The Blood is the Bit) that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body. Look also at ships: (Human bodies) although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, (Trials of life) they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot (Each man chooses to be the pilot until we are born again) desires. Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things. (Christian, are you going to allow the serpent to use your body in such a disgraceful manner?)
See how great a forest a little fire kindles! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell. For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. (Sin, Death and the Grave) With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so. Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh.

(Can THE SIN TREE bear HOLINESS, Can A HOLY VINE bear SIN?)
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smoke means death? sense when> and there should be delay no longer/ it says there should be time no longer...theres abig difference between time and a delay in time...so alot of may be accurate alot of it i dont know where you came up with.
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Im not looking for cosmic interpretations in everything,just for in a majority of the book of revelation.
 Quoting: shadowrun

That's what "everything" meant in the context of this thread.

There are actually alot of scriptures that could easily mean somthing astrological.For example rev ch 6 v2

And i saw , and behold a whithorse:and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth coquering, and to conquer.

Yes you could think of this in the literal sense but does it really make sense? We have a planet in our solar system which attracts space debris and ejects it back out into space...it probably shines as if it has a crown and is white in color.Now think about all the four horseman of the apocalypse...think of the colors of their horses...white,red,black, and pale.Is the descriptions.Iv never personally seen a red horse...because horses are not red so it doesn't make sense.So where else do these colors commonly appear? space...The black horse with the scales?...funny because scientist speak of a black hole that could basically hold the balance between life and death for us.As for the pale horse...well we all know what else is pale in color from media...astroroids usually a pale grey color and guess what comes with it.hiding death.
 Quoting: shadowrun

Nobody disputes that the horses represent something other than horses. The problem is in ignoring the Bible's own explicit description of what the horses do: conquest, war, economic disaster, and death. They do not represent anything else in that context. By your technique, we could also say they represent four-color printing processes.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


To say they were printing process would be wrong because it does not make any logical sense.I also dont see where you derived ecominic disaster from those scriptures.Other then that could cause us to kill each other,which could be true so then ok we have conquest, war, economic disaster, and finally death...But where does the color scheme fit into to this...why do the horses have colors attached? We could have easily understood this without having colors...so where do they come into play?
 Quoting: shadowrun

okay let me try to explain,the colors represent the Ethnicity of that particular Rider,the rider being the soul of that person,not the body.........................sheep
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It was done this way so that those who have ears to hear will hear,and the wise amongst you will understand,and lead many to safety in the coming days....................sheep

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To say they were printing process would be wrong because it does not make any logical sense.I also dont see where you derived ecominic disaster from those scriptures.Other then that could cause us to kill each other,which could be true so then ok we have conquest, war, economic disaster, and finally death...But where does the color scheme fit into to this...why do the horses have colors attached? We could have easily understood this without having colors...so where do they come into play?
 Quoting: shadowrun


The printing thing was to show that the technique or exegesis method is highly arbitrary and can be used to prove almost anything.

Economic disaster comes from the explicit statement about the prices of bread etc. Combined with the scales for weighing silver/gold, the meaning is very clear. This is about extreme scarcity, which follows logically after war.

Here is something I wrote about that a while back: [link to www.fether.net]

Excerpt:
Rev. 6:1-2 – “bow” (toxon) is a means of shooting arrows, not any kind of ornamental ribbon or even a halo. The Septuagint does not render this word as anything but a weapon of war (see Zechariah 9), except for the rainbow after the Flood. Note also that this bow is held in the rider’s hand, not worn like a sash. Similarly, the crown (stephanos) on the rider’s head is not the diadem of royalty but the wreath of the winner of a contest. The white color of the horse often represents purity throughout Revelation, but it also symbolized indifference or peace to the Greeks of the time. Considering all of this as well as the fact that it is the Lamb opening the seals, rather than riding the horse, it seems clear that this seal’s horse and rider do not represent Christ and the church, which was never told to conquer the world but only to evangelize it. Otherwise we’d have to say that the church has been without power or weapons.

Rev. 6:3-4 – The “fiery” (purros) horse, if red, symbolized death to the Greeks; if literally made of fire, it would symbolize that which consumes and destroys. From the statements there about the large sword and people slaughtering each other, it seems clear that this seal denotes all-out war. The fact that this follows immediately after the white horse lends further weight to the interpretation that this has nothing to do with Christ or the church, such that we can interpret the white horse and rider as denoting a conquest that is not open war, such as political intrigue, espionage, and organized crime. Also note that these horses and riders are the ones instigating the judgments, not suffering them; thus they cannot represent the suffering of Christ or the church.

Rev. 6:5-6 – The black horse can symbolize mourning, but given the statement about scarcity of necessities it more likely represents economic disaster. If the first horse represented a weakening of society, and the second the open destruction of infrastructure, this interpretation of economic ruin seems to follow logically.

Rev. 6:7-8 – The fourth horse is literally green (chloros), and in ancient Greece it symbolized fear. But it is ridden by Death and Hades, again the natural results of the preceding seals. Note that these are given power to kill one-fourth (not one-third as in a later judgment) of the world’s population by not only war but also its typical aftermath.
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 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Ok i understand better now and see how you came to these conclusions but when did pale become the color green in greece? and what does greece have to do with this anyways? I know that pale is not the color green because see here in Rev 8 v 7 The first angle sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all the (green) grass was burnt up.

So here is a direct reference to the color green just 2 pages later by the same writer...so if it were a green horse he wouldve said green and not pale.However i do see the thinking behind this and thanks and i will use it to futher my knowledge.
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It was done this way so that those who have ears to hear will hear,and the wise amongst you will understand,and lead many to safety in the coming days....................sheep
 Quoting: Mi'Kmaq


It says the horses are these colors and not the riders themselfs or their souls? and if it where ethnic then we have white black red and pale....so caucasions,blacks indians and dead people are ofcourse pale...The chinese,mexicans and and every other ethnicity was left out of the loop on this one...since theres alot more chinese people then any other you might could say we originated from them or they were around first pherhaps.Because theve had more time to mutiply...Maybe Noah was chinese.
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Ok i understand better now and see how you came to these conclusions but when did pale become the color green in greece? and what does greece have to do with this anyways? I know that pale is not the color green because see here in Rev 8 v 7 The first angle sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all the (green) grass was burnt up.

So here is a direct reference to the color green just 2 pages later by the same writer...so if it were a green horse he wouldve said green and not pale.However i do see the thinking behind this and thanks and i will use it to futher my knowledge.
 Quoting: shadowrun


"Chloros" is the Greek word in the original language text of the New Testament. "Pale" is ONE possible English translation, and in this case, more because of translators presuming these must be made into normal horse colors. Since Rev. is part of the NT and written originally in Greek, we must know the meaning of "chloros" to the Greeks of the first century, not the modern English translation.

So also with Rev. 8:7: the word there is "chloros": [link to bible.fether.net]

ADDED: Rev. 6:1-8 [link to bible.fether.net]

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Ok i understand better now and see how you came to these conclusions but when did pale become the color green in greece? and what does greece have to do with this anyways? I know that pale is not the color green because see here in Rev 8 v 7 The first angle sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all the (green) grass was burnt up.

So here is a direct reference to the color green just 2 pages later by the same writer...so if it were a green horse he wouldve said green and not pale.However i do see the thinking behind this and thanks and i will use it to futher my knowledge.
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"Chloros" is the Greek word in the original language text of the New Testament. "Pale" is ONE possible English translation, and in this case, more because of translators presuming these must be made into normal horse colors. Since Rev. is part of the NT and written originally in Greek, we must know the meaning of "chloros" to the Greeks of the first century, not the modern English translation.

So also with Rev. 8:7: the word there is "chloros": [link to bible.fether.net]
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Thats interesting i need to do some more research then...I would like to see the oldest copy of revelations and get a translation from there...I thought hebrew was the oldest original lauguage of the txt.
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Thats interesting i need to do some more research then...I would like to see the oldest copy of revelations and get a translation from there...I thought hebrew was the oldest original lauguage of the txt.
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Hebrew is the original for only the Old Testament, and the earliest manuscripts for it post-date the New Testament. So our earliest copy of the OT is actually the LXX ("the Seventy"), which is the Greek translation used in Jesus' day by the common people. This is why NT quotes of OT scriptures are often worded differently, since most Bibles translate the OT from the Hebrew Masoretic text.

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It was done this way so that those who have ears to hear will hear,and the wise amongst you will understand,and lead many to safety in the coming days....................sheep
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It says the horses are these colors and not the riders themselfs or their souls? and if it where ethnic then we have white black red and pale....so caucasions,blacks indians and dead people are ofcourse pale...The chinese,mexicans and and every other ethnicity was left out of the loop on this one...since theres alot more chinese people then any other you might could say we originated from them or they were around first pherhaps.Because theve had more time to mutiply...Maybe Noah was chinese.
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the color of the horses represents the ethnicity of the bodily container that the soul of that particular being is in so that you may then reconize that person when he comes. beware the next Rider!...............................sheep
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Thats interesting i need to do some more research then...I would like to see the oldest copy of revelations and get a translation from there...I thought hebrew was the oldest original lauguage of the txt.
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Hebrew is the original for only the Old Testament, and the earliest manuscripts for it post-date the New Testament. So our earliest copy of the OT is actually the LXX ("the Seventy"), which is the Greek translation used in Jesus' day by the common people. This is why NT quotes of OT scriptures are often worded differently, since most Bibles translate the OT from the Hebrew Masoretic text.
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Well in any event much of revelations is confusing and seems almost like a giant riddle...no matter what langauge its in it doesnt really make proper sense in the world we live in today...It doesnt give strait foward answers...If one of us went through john patamos experiences i wonder how we would describe it...because beast with eyes behind and before?...face like the sun pillars of fire? sea of crystal like glass? beast rising out of the sea with 10 horns and so many eyes? Its just not common speech not for that time period and not for now.So why its written in a form that no one can hardly understand is the big mystery to me.Everyone on here and throughout the world have a different views on what all this strange abnormal discriptions mean. The Truth is No ones seems to have it right for 100% fact...because these are not things anyone has ever seen.
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Well in any event much of revelations is confusing and seems almost like a giant riddle...no matter what langauge its in it doesnt really make proper sense in the world we live in today...It doesnt give strait foward answers...If one of us went through john patamos experiences i wonder how we would describe it...because beast with eyes behind and before?...face like the sun pillars of fire? sea of crystal like glass? beast rising out of the sea with 10 horns and so many eyes? Its just not common speech not for that time period and not for now.So why its written in a form that no one can hardly understand is the big mystery to me.Everyone on here and throughout the world have a different views on what all this strange abnormal discriptions mean. The Truth is No ones seems to have it right for 100% fact...because these are not things anyone has ever seen.
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Those who know the OT prophecies are not nearly as perplexed about Revelation. They see many references to prophecies fulfilled long ago, which gives some idea of what their purpose is for the future fulfillments. There are many good prophecy teachers with free material online. I put up my own studies as well:
[link to bible.fether.net]
[link to www.fether.net]

Granted that John was describing what he saw in terms he had available to him. But again, we can look at the OT and get the meaning of many of them. For example, the prophet Daniel had visions of four beasts which the angel told him stood for four kings or kingdoms. So when John uses the very same descriptions, we can know that he refers to kings or kingdoms. Even in Rev. the angel sometimes gives the interpretation.

Nobody claims to be 100% right, but many have spent their lives studying these things and should be considered worth listening to and giving consideration to their views. But I know of no one who would just pick anything at all that might possibly fit.
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It was done this way so that those who have ears to hear will hear,and the wise amongst you will understand,and lead many to safety in the coming days....................sheep
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It says the horses are these colors and not the riders themselfs or their souls? and if it where ethnic then we have white black red and pale....so caucasions,blacks indians and dead people are ofcourse pale...The chinese,mexicans and and every other ethnicity was left out of the loop on this one...since theres alot more chinese people then any other you might could say we originated from them or they were around first pherhaps.Because theve had more time to mutiply...Maybe Noah was chinese.
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the color of the horses represents the ethnicity of the bodily container that the soul of that particular being is in so that you may then reconize that person when he comes. beware the next Rider!...............................sheep
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Then in that case it wouldve just said the rider was pale or white or black or red...but instead it says the horse are these colors...race or ethnicity has nothing to do with this i dont believe...and these are not actual horses but they refer to a means of transportation in a sense of how these things came to happen...or got from point A to point B
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Well in any event much of revelations is confusing and seems almost like a giant riddle...no matter what langauge its in it doesnt really make proper sense in the world we live in today...It doesnt give strait foward answers...If one of us went through john patamos experiences i wonder how we would describe it...because beast with eyes behind and before?...face like the sun pillars of fire? sea of crystal like glass? beast rising out of the sea with 10 horns and so many eyes? Its just not common speech not for that time period and not for now.So why its written in a form that no one can hardly understand is the big mystery to me.Everyone on here and throughout the world have a different views on what all this strange abnormal discriptions mean. The Truth is No ones seems to have it right for 100% fact...because these are not things anyone has ever seen.
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Those who know the OT prophecies are not nearly as perplexed about Revelation. They see many references to prophecies fulfilled long ago, which gives some idea of what their purpose is for the future fulfillments. There are many good prophecy teachers with free material online. I put up my own studies as well:
[link to bible.fether.net]
[link to www.fether.net]

Granted that John was describing what he saw in terms he had available to him. But again, we can look at the OT and get the meaning of many of them. For example, the prophet Daniel had visions of four beasts which the angel told him stood for four kings or kingdoms. So when John uses the very same descriptions, we can know that he refers to kings or kingdoms. Even in Rev. the angel sometimes gives the interpretation.

Nobody claims to be 100% right, but many have spent their lives studying these things and should be considered worth listening to and giving consideration to their views. But I know of no one who would just pick anything at all that might possibly fit.
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Ok but why say four beast in the first place? why not just say four kings and kingdoms? why confuse the situation more than it already is? why not be strait foward and to the point?
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I've been thinking about grabbin a bible and readin that whole thang! Which version is the 'realest'?
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Kjv the others leave whole verses out.
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Ok but why say four beast in the first place? why not just say four kings and kingdoms? why confuse the situation more than it already is? why not be strait foward and to the point?
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We could ask that about everything in the Bible, and pretty much all literature. But consider this statement by Paul:
Yet we do use wisdom among the mature— not the wisdom of this age nor of its rulers, which are being neutralized— but the wisdom of God, a hidden secret that God set up beforehand for our glory, before the ages. Not one of the rulers of this age knew about this, or they would never have crucified the glorious Master. As it is written, "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, nor has it occurred to anyone what God prepared for those who love him." But God reveals this to us by means of the Spirit, for the Spirit scrutinizes everything, even to the very depths of God. Who can know what is in a person, except that person's own spirit? Likewise, no one can come to know what is in God except his Spirit.
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God hides things from those who would try to thwart His purposes. And those to whom the prophecies apply will certainly understand at the time, if they know the scriptures.
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Ok but why say four beast in the first place? why not just say four kings and kingdoms? why confuse the situation more than it already is? why not be strait foward and to the point?
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We could ask that about everything in the Bible, and pretty much all literature. But consider this statement by Paul:
Yet we do use wisdom among the mature— not the wisdom of this age nor of its rulers, which are being neutralized— but the wisdom of God, a hidden secret that God set up beforehand for our glory, before the ages. Not one of the rulers of this age knew about this, or they would never have crucified the glorious Master. As it is written, "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, nor has it occurred to anyone what God prepared for those who love him." But God reveals this to us by means of the Spirit, for the Spirit scrutinizes everything, even to the very depths of God. Who can know what is in a person, except that person's own spirit? Likewise, no one can come to know what is in God except his Spirit.
 Quoting: 1 Cor. 2:6–2:11


God hides things from those who would try to thwart His purposes. And those to whom the prophecies apply will certainly understand at the time, if they know the scriptures.
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Oh ok cool makes sense....So basiclly its done a certain way for a certain reason...and when the time is right we will understand if its god will that we understand.I can undertand this because if certin things were reavealed or worded differently in the biblical txt...then there might not be any txt because people may have destroyed it as heresy...or rejected it from the cannon etc.Seems like Somethings must come to pass or actually happen before we understand the writings concerning that particular event.Sounds like the complexity of god to me. thanks ill consider this.
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Oh ok cool makes sense....So basiclly its done a certain way for a certain reason...and when the time is right we will understand if its god will that we understand.I can undertand this because if certin things were reavealed or worded differently in the biblical txt...then there might not be any txt because people may have destroyed it as heresy...or rejected it from the cannon etc.Seems like Somethings must come to pass or actually happen before we understand the writings concerning that particular event.Sounds like the complexity of god to me. thanks ill consider this.
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Glad to help.

All we're really supposed to know is the times in which we live. Jesus scolded people of his day for not recognizing the time of his appearing, even though it might not have been specific as to the day (though in hindsight we know it was exactly the number of years Daniel prophesied). Likewise, Jesus said that when the time of his return was near, there would be certain things to look for. But be careful, as some pertain to the Rapture and others to the Second Coming. The important thing is to recognize that "when all these things begin to happen, look up, for your redemption approaches". We are definitely seeing the "birthpangs" right now, and must be prepared.
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Oh ok cool makes sense....So basiclly its done a certain way for a certain reason...and when the time is right we will understand if its god will that we understand.I can undertand this because if certin things were reavealed or worded differently in the biblical txt...then there might not be any txt because people may have destroyed it as heresy...or rejected it from the cannon etc.Seems like Somethings must come to pass or actually happen before we understand the writings concerning that particular event.Sounds like the complexity of god to me. thanks ill consider this.
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Glad to help.

All we're really supposed to know is the times in which we live. Jesus scolded people of his day for not recognizing the time of his appearing, even though it might not have been specific as to the day (though in hindsight we know it was exactly the number of years Daniel prophesied). Likewise, Jesus said that when the time of his return was near, there would be certain things to look for. But be careful, as some pertain to the Rapture and others to the Second Coming. The important thing is to recognize that "when all these things begin to happen, look up, for your redemption approaches". We are definitely seeing the "birthpangs" right now, and must be prepared.
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I know one thing were seeing in the people of the earth mass paranoia or feeling of some sort of change...and thats 100% fact.I thing in realizing that we no nothing we know everything...No man is going to be able to figure out the mystery of god.Thats why its the mystery of god and he will reveal things on his watch.For along time iv been trying to unlock the secrets and solve the riddles and find out what all of this is as a whole and why anything would want to create it...The answer that iv found is that i will never nor will anyone find the answer and that is the essence the mystery of god.To accept that you do not know and will not know exept through the grand arcitect himself.We are simply to small to discover Everything in the equasion.
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I know one thing were seeing in the people of the earth mass paranoia or feeling of some sort of change...and thats 100% fact.I thing in realizing that we no nothing we know everything...No man is going to be able to figure out the mystery of god.Thats why its the mystery of god and he will reveal things on his watch.For along time iv been trying to unlock the secrets and solve the riddles and find out what all of this is as a whole and why anything would want to create it...The answer that iv found is that i will never nor will anyone find the answer and that is the essence the mystery of god.To accept that you do not know and will not know exept through the grand arcitect himself.We are simply to small to discover Everything in the equasion.
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True. But there is also blessing promised for those who try, who strain to see, because it is evidence of their longing to see the kingdom of God come at last.
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I know one thing were seeing in the people of the earth mass paranoia or feeling of some sort of change...and thats 100% fact.I thing in realizing that we no nothing we know everything...No man is going to be able to figure out the mystery of god.Thats why its the mystery of god and he will reveal things on his watch.For along time iv been trying to unlock the secrets and solve the riddles and find out what all of this is as a whole and why anything would want to create it...The answer that iv found is that i will never nor will anyone find the answer and that is the essence the mystery of god.To accept that you do not know and will not know exept through the grand arcitect himself.We are simply to small to discover Everything in the equasion.
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True. But there is also blessing promised for those who try, who strain to see, because it is evidence of their longing to see the kingdom of God come at last.
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I see no future for humans on the earth...The wars,the politics,the over population,the lies the hate the killing the pain,the deceit the bullshit. When i have to deal with people in my everyday life...i do wish the kingdom of god would come,not for me...but for the right to prevail and to kill those curropt ones who hurt peple and the earth.The biggest reward to me is to honor the one who created me.I know that his way is trully the right way...if the ten commandments where to be done.The world would be good.
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I see no future for humans on the earth...The wars,the politics,the over population,the lies the hate the killing the pain,the deceit the bullshit. When i have to deal with people in my everyday life...i do wish the kingdom of god would come,not for me...but for the right to prevail and to kill those curropt ones who hurt peple and the earth.The biggest reward to me is to honor the one who created me.I know that his way is trully the right way...if the ten commandments where to be done.The world would be good.
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After the Tribulation comes a thousand years of direct rule by Jesus Himself. There will be a brief uprising at the end, but it will end before it even starts. For those who trust only in Jesus, we are on the verge of leaving this corrupt world behind forever.
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I see no future for humans on the earth...The wars,the politics,the over population,the lies the hate the killing the pain,the deceit the bullshit. When i have to deal with people in my everyday life...i do wish the kingdom of god would come,not for me...but for the right to prevail and to kill those curropt ones who hurt peple and the earth.The biggest reward to me is to honor the one who created me.I know that his way is trully the right way...if the ten commandments where to be done.The world would be good.
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After the Tribulation comes a thousand years of direct rule by Jesus Himself. There will be a brief uprising at the end, but it will end before it even starts. For those who trust only in Jesus, we are on the verge of leaving this corrupt world behind forever.
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Sometimes thinking of the infinite size of the universe and possible multiverses,makes us seem more like particles, maybe like a bacteria or virus,growing on the face on the earth.The great beast,that killed jesus,The very god that created us. Somtimes i must ask, what would the lord want with a particle like me.
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