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Not too long ago I had a conversation with my wife on what to have for dinner. We went back and forth between about a dozen emails wondering if we're talking about chicken and dumplings or chicken and biscuits (2 totally different things).

Can we just go back to hieroglyphs please? 1 or 2 hieroglyphs is all it would take.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Can you imagine how much has been lost in translation over the millenia due to words?

I have a thought. Words can control you. Can Hieroglyphs?

Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/14/2012 09:37 PM
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definitelly something to ponder
i give more trust to visual perception than to the audio part, where language is used - realized

merely for the fact, that it was all labeled by someone else definitions and associations, those trough him, and would not satisfy mines.. ..realized as a kid :D

you have right with hieroglyphs! it would smiplify and speed up many ways we communicate with each other + it would be exact, as if transparent from the beginning

hf

thx for the reminder
that i should start to catalyze again trough painting
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[link to i290.photobucket.com] cool2
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merely for the fact, that it was all labeled by someone else definitions and associations, those trough him, and would not satisfy mines.
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Oh it goes deeper than that my friend. By the way, excellent post. Thank you :)
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For a mind-blowing discussion of language, read John Zerzan. In particular Language: Origin and Meaning. You can get it here: [link to www.primitivism.com]

His writings on time, art, numbers, etc. are also great. Some of the most profound things I have ever read. It changed my world view. They are also available on that same site (look at the "Author Index".

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Link's broken.
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Woops, try it now. I think I fixed it. Should be:

[link to www.primitivism.com]
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Not too long ago I had a conversation with my wife on what to have for dinner. We went back and forth between about a dozen emails wondering if we're talking about chicken and dumplings or chicken and biscuits (2 totally different things).

Can we just go back to hieroglyphs please? 1 or 2 hieroglyphs is all it would take.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Can you imagine how much has been lost in translation over the millenia due to words?

I have a thought. Words can control you. Can Hieroglyphs?
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


THAT WOULD CONFUSE EVEN MORE AS NOBODY CAN READ THEM
THEN A MILLION VIEWS WOULD COME UP
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

How else are we humans going to create and do? You want us to grunt at each other and show an etch a sketch to communicate?

The problem is not language, but how it has been corrupted to control us. For example, our writing were changed from writing and reading from right to left over to left to right like we do now. Let me ask you if you know why this was done?
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

How else are we humans going to create and do? You want us to grunt at each other and show an etch a sketch to communicate?

The problem is not language, but how it has been corrupted to control us. For example, our writing were changed from writing and reading from right to left over to left to right like we do now. Let me ask you if you know why this was done?
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


Zerzan argues, very convincingly, that language itself is at the heart of the problem. The rabbit hole is deep.
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

How else are we humans going to create and do? You want us to grunt at each other and show an etch a sketch to communicate?

The problem is not language, but how it has been corrupted to control us. For example, our writing were changed from writing and reading from right to left over to left to right like we do now. Let me ask you if you know why this was done?
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


You can't be serious in the 1st 2 things you wrote. How idiotic.

I will agree with the bold however. I had never considered why it was changed to left to right, other than it is unnatural.

Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/15/2012 10:15 AM
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I had never considered why it was changed to left to right, other than it is unnatural.
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I disagree. It is more natural for a right handed person to write from left to right: it is like releasing an arch. It flows naturaly. Just try to write from right to left. And don't tell me it's the habit.

At least this is my oppinion...

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I had never considered why it was changed to left to right, other than it is unnatural.
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I disagree. It is more natural for a right handed person to write from left to right: it is like releasing an arch. It flows naturaly. Just try to write from right to left. And don't tell me it's the habit.

At least this is my oppinion...
 Quoting: GreenSid7


To each their own opinion and yours is valued. It just doesn't feel right to me.

Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/15/2012 10:29 PM
~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few.

~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.
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To choose only symbols that are common to all systems, and rejecting all words / names that are associated with any metaphysical theory or anything religious is futile, since all language has a history.

I take refuge in vagueness to warn me against valuing anything non essential.

Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/15/2012 10:51 PM
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~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.
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I had never considered why it was changed to left to right, other than it is unnatural.
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I disagree. It is more natural for a right handed person to write from left to right: it is like releasing an arch. It flows naturaly. Just try to write from right to left. And don't tell me it's the habit.

At least this is my oppinion...
 Quoting: GreenSid7


To each their own opinion and yours is valued. It just doesn't feel right to me.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


To change the perception we see in. To see on a certain brain hemisphere. Just like training most to wright with the right hand instead of the left.

You are right to feel it is not right.
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Allow me to quote Zoroaster:

"Direct not thy mind to the vast surfaces of the earth; for the Plant of Truth grows not upon the ground. Nor measure the motions of the Sun, collecting rules, for he is carried by the Eternal Will of the Father, and not for your sake alone. Dismiss from your mind the impetuous course of the Moon, for she moveth always by the power of Necessity. The progression of the Stars was not generated for your sake. The wide aerial flight of birds gives no true knowledge, nor the dissection of the entrails of victims; they are all mere toys, the basis of mercenary fraud: flee from these if you would enter the sacred paradise of piety where Virtue, Wisdom, and Equity are assembled."

If we can solve the language problem, I think the fruits of what he expressed in this sentiment can be realised.
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I had never considered why it was changed to left to right, other than it is unnatural.
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I disagree. It is more natural for a right handed person to write from left to right: it is like releasing an arch. It flows naturaly. Just try to write from right to left. And don't tell me it's the habit.

At least this is my oppinion...
 Quoting: GreenSid7


To each their own opinion and yours is valued. It just doesn't feel right to me.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Leonardo Da Vinci comes to mind. Great thread, CC. 5*s!
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icons


We use them everyday on computers and phones.
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Leonardo Da Vinci comes to mind.
 Quoting: My Alter Ego


Yes indeed. Everything he expressed to us was from right to left. Or a mirror image. How appropriate for the times we live in.

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Hieroglyphs seem more direct...less room for fluff....
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Do I have to paint you a picture?
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Do I have to paint you a picture?
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"If a picture is worth a thousand words, a symbol is worth a thousand pictures..."


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Hieroglyphs seem more direct...less room for fluff....
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Indeed. And this brings me to a muse: Can hieroglyphs control you?

Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/15/2012 11:37 PM
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Not too long ago I had a conversation with my wife on what to have for dinner. We went back and forth between about a dozen emails wondering if we're talking about chicken and dumplings or chicken and biscuits (2 totally different things).

Can we just go back to hieroglyphs please? 1 or 2 hieroglyphs is all it would take.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


I would be inclined to chalk the aforementioned back-and-forth email spamming about dinner (no pun intended, heh heh) up to misinterpretation rather than to a failure of the words or letters themselves. So, I don't think that hieroglyphs would have necessarily been any more effective than words/letters in the same situation.

A picture is worth a thousand words.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


But only to someone with an eye to see the picture, right?

If you had thrown in a 'sometimes' somewhere in there, I would have agreed with your statement completely. But, the eye can be just as subject to misinterpretation concerning pictures as it is to letters/words.

However, I have a sneaking suspicion that actual pictures would have proved quite useful in helping to sort out the dinner dilemma through emails. :)

Can you imagine how much has been lost in translation over the millenia due to words?
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Certainly a plausible notion. But I also can't help but to think that translating these same things into words could have served to enrich and enliven them by giving them more complexity that is offered from words/letters?

I have a thought. Words can control you. Can Hieroglyphs?
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Surely they can.... if someone is willing to let themselves be controlled. :)

As an example - if someone were wearing a jacket with a hieroglyph that was designed to designate some sort of authority, most would be inclined to treat the wearer as an authority figure, wouldn't they?

And thanks for the food for thought! :)

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I would be inclined to chalk the aforementioned back-and-forth email spamming about dinner (no pun intended, heh heh) up to misinterpretation rather than to a failure of the words or letters themselves.
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Exactly my point. There would be much less misinterpretation of an idea rather than one of how you put words together.

It was an interesting exchange, lol.
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Not too long ago I had a conversation with my wife on what to have for dinner. We went back and forth between about a dozen emails wondering if we're talking about chicken and dumplings or chicken and biscuits (2 totally different things).

Can we just go back to hieroglyphs please? 1 or 2 hieroglyphs is all it would take.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Can you imagine how much has been lost in translation over the millenia due to words?

I have a thought. Words can control you. Can Hieroglyphs?
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Maybe you just need to remember the different stuff I make for dinner hf
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Not too long ago I had a conversation with my wife on what to have for dinner. We went back and forth between about a dozen emails wondering if we're talking about chicken and dumplings or chicken and biscuits (2 totally different things).

Can we just go back to hieroglyphs please? 1 or 2 hieroglyphs is all it would take.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Can you imagine how much has been lost in translation over the millenia due to words?

I have a thought. Words can control you. Can Hieroglyphs?
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Maybe you just need to remember the different stuff I make for dinner hf
 Quoting: Guenwyfar


I have to admit: You make some damn good wings. Trolled by my own wife :(

Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/16/2012 12:44 AM
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~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.
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I would be inclined to chalk the aforementioned back-and-forth email spamming about dinner (no pun intended, heh heh) up to misinterpretation rather than to a failure of the words or letters themselves.
 Quoting: Aspiria


Exactly my point. There would be much less misinterpretation of an idea rather than one of how you put words together.

It was an interesting exchange, lol.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Maybe, but I think it might have more to do with the personal subjectivity of the actual idea than the method of communication, be it letters or hieroglyphs.

Lol, I can imagine it was an interesting exchange, though.

It reminded me a lot of a phone conversation (which should have taken 2 minutes but turned into 20) that I had a few years back with my hubby about a piece that fell off of the lawnmower - it was solved after I sent him a phone pic of it, lol.
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Not too long ago I had a conversation with my wife on what to have for dinner. We went back and forth between about a dozen emails wondering if we're talking about chicken and dumplings or chicken and biscuits (2 totally different things).

Can we just go back to hieroglyphs please? 1 or 2 hieroglyphs is all it would take.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Can you imagine how much has been lost in translation over the millenia due to words?

I have a thought. Words can control you. Can Hieroglyphs?
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Maybe you just need to remember the different stuff I make for dinner hf
 Quoting: Guenwyfar


I have to admit: You make some damn good wings. Trolled by my own wife :(
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Much better than spam anyday!

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