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even if the civil war was about state rights how could the south justify slavery

 
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Re: even if the civil war was about state rights how could the south justify slavery
another thing your history books
don't tell you is that about 35-40%
of the freed slaves returned to
their masters who could not function
as a free man and make it on their own
whom sought to return to slavery.
Thus the welfare state was born.
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That's not true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27795701


maybe you should check your facts
before calling somebody a liar.

it makes you look like a retard

in the summer and fall of 1865, President Andrew Johnson pardoned (forgave) most former Confederates and gave back their property. The Freedmen's Bureau had to order 40,000 angry freed people off the land they'd been given. "Give us our own land, and we take care of ourselves," said one ex-slave from Mississippi. "But without land, the old masters can hire us to starve us as they please."

Most former slaves had to go back to work on the plantations of former slave owners, as Mary Adams had predicted. For farming the land, they were paid $9 to $15 a month, or one-fourth to one-half of the crop. Some workers had to sign contracts that kept them in conditions much like slavery. They were fined for bad language or disobedience, and were not allowed to leave the plantation without permission.
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[link to www.thefreelibrary.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27780658


there was roughly 4 million slaves in the US
at the beginning of the Civil War.

At the end of the Civil War, some 40,000
freed slaves were given land by the Freedman's
Bureau (40 Acres and a mule).

Of those 40,000 only 6,000 were allowed
to keep those acres promised in GA and SC.

most of the rest went back to work for
their former slave owners at slave wages.
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11/15/2012 08:11 AM
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Re: even if the civil war was about state rights how could the south justify slavery
Slavery was wicked and worth killing over, but servitude was a god given right of the rich north.
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hey 07
I see you haven't kicked the bucket yet
from your lung disease. good for you ;)


we're still alive another day :)
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11/15/2012 08:16 AM
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Re: even if the civil war was about state rights how could the south justify slavery
it was not about slavery that it is false. the north was out of money and in debted to the bankers. The south on the other hand was not. Things are not what they appear especially the constitution. We have no rights only privleges that can be revoked at any time.
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11/15/2012 08:18 AM
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Re: even if the civil war was about state rights how could the south justify slavery
Slavery was wicked and worth killing over, but servitude was a god given right of the rich north.
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hey 07
I see you haven't kicked the bucket yet
from your lung disease. good for you ;)


we're still alive another day :)
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GOD is keeping me alive for a reason. I wish GOD would let me in on the secret. I really want to know.
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Re: even if the civil war was about state rights how could the south justify slavery
it was not about slavery that it is false. the north was out of money and in debted to the bankers.
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the Union owed the Vatican $40 million
and interest

the Confederacy owed the Vatican $20 million
and interest

this $60 million debt is how the Vatican
blackmailed Grant to sign the Act of 1871
signing over the US and Washington DC
to the Vatican.

and we have had puppets as President ever since.
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Re: even if the civil war was about state rights how could the south justify slavery
GOD is keeping me alive for a reason. I wish GOD would let me in on the secret. I really want to know.
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so you can go see the Great Smokies
again my man !
lol
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Re: even if the civil war was about state rights how could the south justify slavery
it was not about slavery that it is false. the north was out of money and in debted to the bankers.
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the Union owed the Vatican $40 million
and interest

the Confederacy owed the Vatican $20 million
and interest

this $60 million debt is how the Vatican
blackmailed Grant to sign the Act of 1871
signing over the US and Washington DC
to the Vatican.

and we have had puppets as President ever since.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27780658


That was a much better way of putting it, thank you.
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11/15/2012 08:36 AM
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Re: even if the civil war was about state rights how could the south justify slavery
I thought it was because of vampires.
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Re: even if the civil war was about state rights how could the south justify slavery
it was not about slavery that it is false. the north was out of money and in debted to the bankers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24094200


the Union owed the Vatican $40 million
and interest

the Confederacy owed the Vatican $20 million
and interest

this $60 million debt is how the Vatican
blackmailed Grant to sign the Act of 1871
signing over the US and Washington DC
to the Vatican.

and we have had puppets as President ever since.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27780658


That was a much better way of putting it, thank you.
 Quoting: 071676


however the snag came into the picture
when Lincoln tried to print his own
currency to pay off that debt to the Vatican.
The Vatican would not take Lincoln's printed money.
Lincoln was insistent and the Vatican
ordered Confederate General Albert Pike
to assassinate Lincoln. Pike paid his
Masonic Brother and fellow Knights of the Golden
Circle buddy John Wilkes Booth to do it for him.
Pike wrote Booth a check for $1,500.00
to assassinate Lincoln. Most of the rest
is history however with a few more snags.
Booth did not die in that barn. He was
a look-alike named Capt. John Byrd who was
a captured Confederate Soldier who had
briefly escaped and was on his way back
to the south. It was a case of mistaken
identity. Booth escaped and lived in Texas
for awhile and later in life confessed
he was Booth. The Vatican don't like their
assassins getting a conscious so they hired
another Mason Jesse James to murder Booth
and he did. And that sealed up the loose
ends concerning Lincoln.
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Re: even if the civil war was about state rights how could the south justify slavery
it was not about slavery that it is false. the north was out of money and in debted to the bankers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24094200


the Union owed the Vatican $40 million
and interest

the Confederacy owed the Vatican $20 million
and interest

this $60 million debt is how the Vatican
blackmailed Grant to sign the Act of 1871
signing over the US and Washington DC
to the Vatican.

and we have had puppets as President ever since.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27780658


That was a much better way of putting it, thank you.
 Quoting: 071676


however I did leave out how the Vatican
intentionally started the war to get
the US into debt.
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Re: even if the civil war was about state rights how could the south justify slavery
And ... in WHAT YEAR did Lincoln make the infamous 'Emancipation Proclamation'? Was it in ... 1863?

Two years after the start of the Civil War?

Was the war about 'slavery' (... there was an abundance of slave-owning business owners in the Northern States) ... or was it about the original 13 states "Rights to Self-Determination"?

A useful political football - nothing more, nothing less.
 Quoting: MindShaft


It was about the belated enforcement of the Constitution for which the US was the subject of much embarrassment abroad. Remember, the was the Age of Reason and the world was aflame with liberal ideas and the rise of civilisation, commerce and trade, and was rejecting feudalism.
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BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT.

It was a Northern War of Aggression to Federalize/Nationalize the wealth of the Southern States.

The Southern states contained the true riches of the new world. Millions of acres of productive agricultural land that could produce 'endless' amounts of cotton, tobacco, maize. etc.,

You're conveniently forgetting that in 1860 most of 'settled' America was an agrarian economy; - they relied on the exports of the Southern states for a huge percentage of their GDP/exports which basically financed the US adoption of the fruits of the European Industrial Revolution - mechanization of key industries that drove US growth and eventual domination from the 1850's to today.

Burn your high-school history books, FFS. Do you seriously believe that Federally-sanctioned BS?
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Someone finally sees this correctly!
The civil war had nothing to do with slavery. The north needed the resources of the south. The north enacted taxes and duties on import/export between the southern states and other countries. The imposition of taxes and the draconian collection was the driving force to cause the South to secede.
Lincoln called on all (north and south) the states to contribute to the effort to stop the secession. The some of the northern states sent contributions in some form. Some northern states did not support Lincoln. The southern states actively resisted Lincoln and his 'army'.
Lincolns writing and speeches show he had no position on slavery other than he thought all blacks should be returned to Africa.
Lincoln's position on the civil war was 'If supporting slavery will keep the union together then that is what I want or if abolishing slavery will keep the union together then that is what I want.
Lincoln was a statist (thinking the state is all powerful) and wanted the power he got from a large state.
The constitution is a document limiting federal government power. It does not give us any rights. We have the rights to begin with. The constitution just tells the people what are the limits of government power.

Civil War?
How could any war be civil? This war was an example of northern depredation exactly the same as the bombs on Japan. Unnecessary and cruel.

LINCOLN DID NOT FREE THE SLAVES.
Technology and mechanization was freeing the slaves prior to the 'civil' war. The northern states had almost ended the northern slavery because of mechanization.
The slave owners had learned the economy of slavery and were working to end slavery. A slave owner spent 90% of his revenue providing for slaves. He had to provide housing, medical, food and everything to support life. Granted, the life was not at a high society level and there were abuses but the expense of slavery was the factor killing slavery. A machine's cost and maintenance was less than half of what was being spent on slavery for the same amount of work. Slavery was already on the way out. Lincoln's comment about that situation was 'Let's send all the freed slaves to Africa'. If you don't believe me then look it up on your own. The history we are taught in government schools is not correct.
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Re: even if the civil war was about state rights how could the south justify slavery
they justified it the same way business owners justify it these days with their 'employees' (aka slaves). if it turns them a profit, then it must be ok. and yes, slavery is still alive and well. people who have to work for a living are slaves, plain and simple. when you have no choice in the matter, you are enslaved.

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