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NOT ALL ANIMAL PRODUCTS ARE UNETHICAL- my personal experience.

 
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11/15/2012 04:56 AM
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NOT ALL ANIMAL PRODUCTS ARE UNETHICAL- my personal experience.
I have my own small organic farm where I grow most of my own food. Soon after I use up the animal products that I have in the house I will only be using animal products that I get from my own farm, this is the only way that I can be 100% certain that NO animals were harmed in the production of my animal products, things like dairy, eggs, honey, leather, wool, animal manure and worm farm bi-products.



DAIRY: I am sure most vegans have heard the saying there is a small piece of veal in every class of milk, this is not the case on my farm.

I have my own dairy goats that I get my milk from, with this milk I can make cheese with rennet from stinging nettles and butter.

I have built shelters for the goats that keep them warm and dry in winter, I have planted tagasaste hedges all around the goat paddocks that they use for shade in summer and the hedges offer protection from winds and another use is that tagasaste hedges are highly nutritious tree fodder for the goats.

All of my goats live long and happy lives. Our does need to be bred with our resident buck every 2 years in order to keep producing milk, we let the kids grow into adults and we add the new young does to the herd and the new young bucks will be used for stud on other goat farms, we get a very nice price because they are pure bred goats.



EGGS: On my small farm I also have Chickens; they provide me with manure, eggs and provide a valuable service in the way of pest control. We look after our chickens by providing them with shelter, predator protection, roost boxes, perches and grain feed as well as fresh green feed. We have a good chicken to rooster hatch rate of 3-1; this means that we divide 1 rooster up into his own flock with 3-4 hens by utilising chook moats, chook domes, chicken tractors and standard chook pens. And if we happen to get an excess of roosters one year (which hasn’t happened yet), again because of our superior stock (due to their great lifestyle) we would sell them off for breeding purposes.



HONEY: I have my own Langstroth beehives from which I get honey, beeswax and valuable pollination for the plants that need it. I take only half the amount of honey as compared to commercial operations so the bees do not have to work themselves to death, I provide the bees with food in times when food is in short supply, I give them water in times of drought and I keep them warm and sheltered in winter.



LEATHER: is one of the best materials known to man but this doesn’t mean that if we want to use it that we need to kill the animal in order to obtain it, skin from animals that die of natural courses can be used in place of leather that is of none ethical origin.

If I have a goat that dies of natural courses like old age than I see nothing wrong with using its skin for leather.



ANIMAL MANURE: as mentioned above is obtained as part of looking after the animals that are under my care by keeping their homes clean and healthy.



WORM FARM: I have my own bathtub worm farms that I get worm castings from and worm wee both of which I use as organic fertiliser. I provide my worms with a regular supply of nutritious food, I keep them cool and moist in summer, warm in winter and I protect them from predators.



WOOL: because sheep have been bred for generation after generation to produce huge amounts of wool it would be very cruel to just ignore this fact. I live in sheep country, I see hundreds of sheep every day that are used as just machines to produce wool, and when a sheep dies a farmer curses because of the lost of money that he has suffered at the death of that sheep instead of displaying sorrow as Sheppard’s of old once did at the loss of one of his flock. I have also seen examples of sheep that are treated very well just like I do with my goats. And I have also noticed that sheep show a high degree of joy after they have been shorn (if it has been done with care).

 

On our farm when an animal gets beyond its production use by date we do not just cast them away as rubbish, we let the live out the term of their natural life and even then they still provide us with services such as manure, pest control and weed control. Then after they have passed on of natural causes we honour them by not letting anything go to waste I.e. their skins for leather and there carcases can be used to produce gas and compost through a methane digester (if only all humans could live such a productive life and be such a valuable asset to their community). My small farm is a perfect example of how we humans can use animal products while committing NO harm what so ever towards the animal(s) in question and at the same time helping the animals to live happier, safer and healthier lives than they would have been able to get if they were on their own.

I do not keep any of my animals as prisoners in fact they have all been free to go at one time or another, why just last week I had a doe get out of her paddock only for me to find her the next morning waiting rather impatiently to be milked outside the milking shed, this I attribute to the high standard of symbiotic relationship that I have with not only the goats but all of the animals that share my farm.



The bees on my farm are free to leave anytime, this is quite a problem for most apiarists but in all the time I have been into apiary I have not had a single beehive vacate my farm, this I also attribute to the high standard of symbiotic relationship that I have with not only the Bees but all of the animals that share my farm.



The worms in my bathtub worm farm are also free to leave anytime as they are not sealed farms but they do not do so as I provide them with a standard of life that they cannot obtain in nature. A very old friend of mine, who when he was in hospital in the middle of summer for 3 weeks on return found that all of the worms from his worm farm had vacated.



When out chickens were free range and could roam were ever they please (including off the property) they always all returned to their roosts at night to be safely locked in away from predators. We had to separate flocks and restrict there movement because as in the wild there started to be battles amongst the roosters for the number one position. This does not now happen in their current situation.



When an animal dies its body returns to nature, am I not a part of nature? This is a way, in fact this is the only way that you can obtain leather and feathers from an animal ethically.



Have you ever seen a sheep that hasn’t been shorn in 4-5 years? I have. If left in this state, unshorn, it will die a slow and painful death. Yes it wasn’t right of them to breed sheep to produce so much wool in the first place but the fact is that they have and that they exist. What are you going to do go gather up all your vegan friends and go all around the world and kill all the Merino and Linclon Longwool sheep? Or perhaps just stop them from breeding and let the species go extinct because they are a mistake? If that’s the case then maybe we humans are a mistake? Maybe we as a race should all stop breeding and go extinct because we shouldn’t be here?



As for cotton it is one of the most environmentally unfriendly crops that man grows, it uses more water that the production of meat, arable land that was used for food production has been destroyed in order to make way for cotton plantations. Nearly all cotton production is hugely (and increasingly) reliant on pesticides derived from petrochemicals. In fact, 2.5% of all farmland worldwide is used to grow cotton, yet 10% of all chemical pesticides and 22% of insecticides are sprayed on cotton. Do a bit of maths, and you find that eight times more pesticide is used on one hectare of conventional cotton, than on other crops. (Now imagine dipping that fluffy bud of cotton in a vat of crude oil.) If that wasn't enough, conventional cotton farming also uses vast amounts of precious water. The Aral Sea has almost disappeared as the water courses that flowed into it have been diverted to grow ‘white gold' in Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan.

This has been catastrophic and has also proved totally unsustainable. Years of rapid saturation/evaporation in these semi-desert soils has left salt residues, making the land un-fertile. Cotton also accounts for a quarter of all pesticides used in the U.S. What about all those poor little bugs and the critters that live off them?
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11/15/2012 05:42 AM
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Re: NOT ALL ANIMAL PRODUCTS ARE UNETHICAL- my personal experience.
You are awesome. Nobody learns this much!
Anonymous Coward
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11/15/2012 05:44 AM
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Absolutely Magnificient.
You obviously have great respect for the animals & make wise use of the gifts they give you. If everyone could only share your respectfulness of all creatures, the planet would be more evolved & enlightened.
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11/15/2012 08:41 AM
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thank you both, i dont eat meat as i belive it to be unhealthy for humans. but i try to treat all of the animals on my farm humanely.
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11/16/2012 07:29 AM
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peace
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02/08/2013 06:20 AM
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Anonymous Coward
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02/08/2013 06:26 AM
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Re: NOT ALL ANIMAL PRODUCTS ARE UNETHICAL- my personal experience.
Our ancestors didnt make it through what the did by eating grass, nuts, and berries. But I respect your ethical stance on the harvest animal products.

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