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Is the bible really the most historically accurate book?

 
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Is the bible really the most historically accurate book?
Oh heck no. Not even close. It is not accurate about anythig on any level - not even theologically consistent.

There are parts that refer to people who actually did live (Nebuchanedzar II and Cyrus, for example); some parts refer to places that actually existed (Egypt, Babylon), but the bulk of the ancient scrolls known today as the Bible are mostly demonstrably innacurate.

Some of the place names and some people names mentioned in the Bible are real, but that doesn't prove the more ridiculous claims. (example: the Harry Potter stories take place in England; archaeologists can prove England exists; therefore the Harry Potter stories are true. See -- it doesn't follow)

That said. There is zero evidence that the Bible is god-inspired or that it is inerrant. Quite the opposite is true. The collection of books known modernly as the Bible is full of errors and contradictions, not to mention several deliberate forgeries.

Most Christians do not even read or follow the book they claim to be their God's word. They just pick and choose what THEY want to observe, and ignore what is not convenient. Which is why they have no idea what their "sacred book" contains, or where it came from.

The first five books of the Bible (the Torah) began to be written down during the Babylonian captivity (circa 500 BCE) when the Jewish religious leasers realized they had to start writing down all the oral traditions lest they be completely forgotten. In so doing, much Babylonian mythology was "borrowed" by those first writers (the creation account; the flood account -- see the Enuma Elish and the story of Gilgamesh respectively). And much also taken from the ancient Canaanite religion (see Ugarit texts).

The rest of the books of the OT were written and added one by one after that -- including a bunch that were first included as "sacred" then rejected by the Council of Nicaea (circa 400 CE); then other books that were included by Nicaea were then rejected in the early 1600s by the translators of the King James Version.

Needless to say, there are thousands of translation problems with each "telling" and "retelling". This is why so many versions of the Bible exist, and why many editions differ so widely from each other.

It is not true that the Bible "has been proven 100% true over and over again", nor is it true that it has been proven "scientifically accurate". On the contrary, the books of the Bible contain countless scientific and historical errors, and is even full of huge internal contradictions. The only so-called prophesies that have "come true" were ones that were so vague they could have applied to almost anything, or were written down AFTER the events they were supposed to predict (such as the destruction of the Temple "prophesy" - it was written AFTER the destruction of the Temple!)

Here's some specific errors and problems (among many):

-- the Earth is not flat, nor is it just 6,000 years old.

-- bats are not birds.

-- Noah's Flood could not have taken place around the year 2500 BCE because there were already other civilizations in place at that time (see Egypt and China), and these were not destroyed by a flood.

-- there is no independent historical confirmation that anyone named Abraham, or Moses, or Saul, or Daniel, or even Jesus ever actually lived.

-- there is no evidence that a Hebrew tribe actually lived in Egypt as slaves for several centuries.

-- was the name of Moses's father in law Jethro (Exodus 3:1), Hobab (Judges 4:11), or Reuel (Exodus 2:18-21)?

-- Many historians believe there wasn't even a town called Nazareth until the 4th century CE.

Plus also, if the Bible was the inerrant "word of God" then it wouldn't:

-- contain 1000s of theological problems. (ei. verses that contradict each other; the one god vs. the trinity problem; the law of the Old Testament being observed vs. no laws of the Old Testament being observed; not to mention the inumerable crimes committed by "chosen people of God" against others, including such things as rape, ethnic cleansing, murder, incest, slavery, adultery, the slaughter of entire villages, etc.)

If the Bible was the inerrant word of God, then it would not contain deliberate forgeries such as the "Comma Johanneum" -- see link.

Deliberate forgery 1

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Deliberate forgery 2

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Deliberate forgery 3

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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blah blah blah, yes it is.
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blah blah blah, yes it is.
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lol. Id like to see the look on your face when you realize there is no gods.
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blah blah blah, yes it is.
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lol. Id like to see the look on your face when you realize there is no gods.
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norespect
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any book that was written by the rulers is flawed by nature
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I want to see the look on YOUR face when you stand before God to defend this drivel!!!

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any book that was written by the rulers is flawed by nature
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CORRECT!!

Sad also the Christians are victims and slave to the BIBLE aka Word of God to condome Killing and steeling in the name of GOD...Example they support Armageddon to hench the comming of God....They are no different than Muslims.
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Excellent post!

More information:

[link to www.infidels.org]

[link to www.project-reason.org]

I just love the graphical representation of the hopeless mess of contradictions in Bible (project-reason.org). Click on "Print your own poster:" links to see the details.

Divinely inspired word my ass.
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blah blah blah, yes it is.
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lol. Id like to see the look on your face when you realize there is no gods.
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Revelation 1:7 ESV

Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.

Men will flee to caves in the rocks and to holes in the ground from dread of the LORD and the splendor of his majesty, when he rises to shake the earth.

But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.
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Try 'Through Alien Eyes' by Wesley Bateman for some real world history.
Wesley gave his life in bringing through the gift of telepathy this information from people who lived at the time of the construction of the Pyramid's.
Proof of this information was given many times by Wesley in giving previously unknown information about the construction of the Pyramid's that only a person who was there at the time of construction would have known.

The bible book has some truth but it is mostly written by men to control the population. The only reason that the book is so popular is because the word God is repeated so many times. It appeals to the small ego mind that some are more special than others having read that book when if fact the measure is made of the amount of love within a person.
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What?No talking snakes?I want my money back.
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Great post! Thank you and I wish people would wise up to this. Even though I consider myself a christian, my belief in God has nothing to do with the bible. My faith is based on my personal relationship with God, who has answered all my prayers, at least the important prayers. Thanks again!
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It was right about Mt. Sinai


It was right about Noah's Ark



It was right about Sodom and Gomorrah


You Atheists have fun out of excuses, Good luck at your barbecue.
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Oh and the Red Sea crossing too

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Great post! Thank you and I wish people would wise up to this. Even though I consider myself a christian, my belief in God has nothing to do with the bible. My faith is based on my personal relationship with God, who has answered all my prayers, at least the important prayers. Thanks again!
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Quick,get yourself to the third world and pray for food.
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YES
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a book and religion for slaves. now how could it not be accurate? roflmao at christ-tards, moses-tards, and muhammed-tards, their collective sky-daddy, and their bronze age brainwashing
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you are wrong,but the sad thing is,

it doesn't even matter...you don't even want to see the truth,

flesh and blood can not reveal Christ to you....
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a book and religion for slaves. now how could it not be accurate? roflmao at christ-tards, moses-tards, and muhammed-tards, their collective sky-daddy, and their bronze age brainwashing
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yes,everyone is a slave because our society is based on creeds of the bible...

like loving your fellow man...

especially slaves in america and more developed countries of the west
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Great post! Thank you and I wish people would wise up to this. Even though I consider myself a christian, my belief in God has nothing to do with the bible. My faith is based on my personal relationship with God, who has answered all my prayers, at least the important prayers. Thanks again!
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Quick,get yourself to the third world and pray for food.
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is it better to pray or do nothing?

think about that
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Try 'Through Alien Eyes' by Wesley Bateman for some real world history.
Wesley gave his life in bringing through the gift of telepathy this information from people who lived at the time of the construction of the Pyramid's.
Proof of this information was given many times by Wesley in giving previously unknown information about the construction of the Pyramid's that only a person who was there at the time of construction would have known.

The bible book has some truth but it is mostly written by men to control the population. The only reason that the book is so popular is because the word God is repeated so many times. It appeals to the small ego mind that some are more special than others having read that book when if fact the measure is made of the amount of love within a person.
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HOw could the Bible be "written by men to control the population" when it was written over the course of 1500 years, by over 40 different authors - MOST OF WHOM DID NOT EVEN KNOW EACH OTHER - and in 3 different languages, which not all of the authors knew the others' languages.....

Your theory simply does not hold water. GOD inspired men to write the Bible to give us His story, His wisdom and plan for salvation. Simple.

Otherwise, it makes NO sense that there are prophesies told thousands of years earlier that then come to pass in later times. NO ONE is that smart to figure out and write about WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN thousands of years before it happened, unless He is the Almighty God.
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then how come there is an isaiah scroll from qumran,

almost entirely preserved in PALEO-Hebrew?

I guess that is made up also...
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Try 'Through Alien Eyes' by Wesley Bateman for some real world history.
Wesley gave his life in bringing through the gift of telepathy this information from people who lived at the time of the construction of the Pyramid's.
Proof of this information was given many times by Wesley in giving previously unknown information about the construction of the Pyramid's that only a person who was there at the time of construction would have known.

The bible book has some truth but it is mostly written by men to control the population. The only reason that the book is so popular is because the word God is repeated so many times. It appeals to the small ego mind that some are more special than others having read that book when if fact the measure is made of the amount of love within a person.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27798409


HOw could the Bible be "written by men to control the population" when it was written over the course of 1500 years, by over 40 different authors - MOST OF WHOM DID NOT EVEN KNOW EACH OTHER - and in 3 different languages, which not all of the authors knew the others' languages.....

Your theory simply does not hold water. GOD inspired men to write the Bible to give us His story, His wisdom and plan for salvation. Simple.

Otherwise, it makes NO sense that there are prophesies told thousands of years earlier that then come to pass in later times. NO ONE is that smart to figure out and write about WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN thousands of years before it happened, unless He is the Almighty God.
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and the saddest thing is,
world is controlled very well,but not through bible,THROUGH SIN,through materialism and capitalism,

even people who are not rich want to be rich and therefore place their energy in something vain....
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Try 'Through Alien Eyes' by Wesley Bateman for some real world history.
Wesley gave his life in bringing through the gift of telepathy this information from people who lived at the time of the construction of the Pyramid's.
Proof of this information was given many times by Wesley in giving previously unknown information about the construction of the Pyramid's that only a person who was there at the time of construction would have known.

The bible book has some truth but it is mostly written by men to control the population. The only reason that the book is so popular is because the word God is repeated so many times. It appeals to the small ego mind that some are more special than others having read that book when if fact the measure is made of the amount of love within a person.
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HOw could the Bible be "written by men to control the population" when it was written over the course of 1500 years, by over 40 different authors - MOST OF WHOM DID NOT EVEN KNOW EACH OTHER - and in 3 different languages, which not all of the authors knew the others' languages.....

Your theory simply does not hold water. GOD inspired men to write the Bible to give us His story, His wisdom and plan for salvation. Simple.

Otherwise, it makes NO sense that there are prophesies told thousands of years earlier that then come to pass in later times. NO ONE is that smart to figure out and write about WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN thousands of years before it happened, unless He is the Almighty God.
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HAHAHA the bible written 1500 years...lol wow...The so called scrolls have NEVER BEEN MADE PUBLIC AND AND THE AUTHORS ARE UNKNOWN....HMMMMM WONDER WHY????? COULD IT BE CAUSE OF PLAGERIZMMMM
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but i do not understand OP,why do you think you have investigated the bible better than christians or other theologians and people of the world....

what makes you think you have it right?

do you know that a lot of people who greatly influenced this world(maybe greater than you and i ever will),
believed and understood bible very well....

do you know who martin luther was?
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I want to see the look on YOUR face when you stand before God to defend this drivel!!!

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LOL I agree.
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Try 'Through Alien Eyes' by Wesley Bateman for some real world history.
Wesley gave his life in bringing through the gift of telepathy this information from people who lived at the time of the construction of the Pyramid's.
Proof of this information was given many times by Wesley in giving previously unknown information about the construction of the Pyramid's that only a person who was there at the time of construction would have known.

The bible book has some truth but it is mostly written by men to control the population. The only reason that the book is so popular is because the word God is repeated so many times. It appeals to the small ego mind that some are more special than others having read that book when if fact the measure is made of the amount of love within a person.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27798409


HOw could the Bible be "written by men to control the population" when it was written over the course of 1500 years, by over 40 different authors - MOST OF WHOM DID NOT EVEN KNOW EACH OTHER - and in 3 different languages, which not all of the authors knew the others' languages.....

Your theory simply does not hold water. GOD inspired men to write the Bible to give us His story, His wisdom and plan for salvation. Simple.

Otherwise, it makes NO sense that there are prophesies told thousands of years earlier that then come to pass in later times. NO ONE is that smart to figure out and write about WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN thousands of years before it happened, unless He is the Almighty God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25676821


HAHAHA the bible written 1500 years...lol wow...The so called scrolls have NEVER BEEN MADE PUBLIC AND AND THE AUTHORS ARE UNKNOWN....HMMMMM WONDER WHY????? COULD IT BE CAUSE OF PLAGERIZMMMM
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are you insane?

isaiah scroll is 2000 years old...it is completely preserved...

there are fragments from EXACT same passages in the new testament we have today dating to first century,
i would advise you rethink your whole life and wisdom,

because you and me buddy,we are just retards,no insult intended,
we are stupid,don't place your faith in stupidity of people,rather in the wisdom of God.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

ok here it is,i know you will discard it but,hey,

i can try,

i hope you sort things out with YOURSELF mr.op
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Great post! Thank you and I wish people would wise up to this. Even though I consider myself a christian, my belief in God has nothing to do with the bible. My faith is based on my personal relationship with God, who has answered all my prayers, at least the important prayers. Thanks again!
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Then you're not Christian. You're just following a different Gospel than the one God sent through his prophets as communicated through the bible. Not surprised you call yourself Christian, most who do will find out on Judgment Day, their faith in a generic god will be found insufficient. "Depart from me, I never knew you", and then off the the lake of fire you go for all eternity!

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