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If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..

 
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If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
.. we only have a choice between international socialism and national socialism... where do people who want limited govt, no wars and no national debt stand?

This left-right argument is a clever trick.

National Socialists = big government, control over your life
International Socialists = big government, control over your life.

Hmm
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
Why? Something not right with your country? Didnt the victory in WW2 pay off as planned?
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
unless the bankers are kicked out and people start producing again and barter there is not real choice. It's only predetermined outcomes which we aren't informed enough to really know what is planned. We are taught price without value. A total throw away culture. The subversion is almost complete.

I feel that we are in crisis mode. I don't want to see what normalization means this time around...

Last Edited by acegotflows on 11/15/2012 10:36 AM
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
.. we only have a choice between international socialism and national socialism... where do people who want limited govt, no wars and no national debt stand?

This left-right argument is a clever trick.

National Socialists = big government, control over your life
International Socialists = big government, control over your life.

Hmm
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they're both totalitarian dictatorships

illusion of choice
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11/15/2012 10:49 AM
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
Doubtful the right wing wants any kind of socialism.
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
If I may, I would like to add my two cents worth.

The idea of fascism being right wing and socialism left wing is wrong. Dead wrong. Probably a tactic to confuse people. They are both political ideals that reside right next to each other on the extreme left side of the political spectrum.

Let's look at what the REAL political spectrum looks like, and fascism and socialism are NOT on opposite ends. I wish I knew how to "draw" on here. I'll try to explain.

Imagine a line. This line represents the amount of government....the control a government has over it's people. On the FAR EXTREME right....we have ANARCHY (Zero government). On the center of the line, we have a balance of not too much government, but not too little. Move left even more, and you run into socialism/communism. Move even farther to the left, and you have fascism. America, right now, is probably somewhat left of center (not a good place to be). Ideally (IMHO) America should fall somewhere just shy of anarchy. As limited of a government as possible to get the job done correctly. But this depends WHOLLY on the people of the country in question. ONLY a MORAL and UPRIGHT and JUST people can maintain such a limited system of government, which is what the Constitution created. A people void of morals, character, compassion, and pride will necessarily require government with more control. That's what is happening in America. We used to be God fearing, good moral people. Now, Hollywood and politicians tell us to satisfy ourselves. Do what feels good. Don't worry about any God. Just do it. This attitude of arrogance against God has put us in this situation. And watch it continue to deteriorate until America becomes a good and righteous country once again.

The law was created for the unjust. For if every man were righteous, what need of the law would we?
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
Doubtful the right wing wants any kind of socialism.
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First thing the Nazis did was socialize medicine, education, transportation, took over factories to produce what it needed to be produced.National SOCIALISTS.
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
Doubtful the right wing wants any kind of socialism.
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First thing the Nazis did was socialize medicine, education, transportation, took over factories to produce what it needed to be produced.National SOCIALISTS.
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Socialism is not what contemporary understanding teaches. It is complete corporate banker immersion into all aspects of the daily life of the "citizen". We will all learn the truth of this one way or another
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
Your premise, Lefty, is flawed as always. Nazi's (National Socialists) are left wing as are socialists, communists, and 'progressives'. The left ALWAYS refers to Nazis as right wing so people don't realize what they all eventually act like. Ask Chik-fil-A. Right wing are theocrats and anarchists.
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
Your premise, Lefty, is flawed as always. Nazi's (National Socialists) are left wing as are socialists, communists, and 'progressives'. The left ALWAYS refers to Nazis as right wing so people don't realize what they all eventually act like. Ask Chik-fil-A. Right wing are theocrats and anarchists.
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Lol, they despise the idea of being associated with the Nazis even though the Nazis had a central bank the communists should have been proud of.
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
That is using the European Political Model which does not work here in the states.

I suggest you view this.

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11/15/2012 12:38 PM
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
It's not all about economic structures, the way I see it.

Lefties generally push screwy social engineering schemes of one kind of the other and righties have a tendency to always eventually descend into Police States.

And, if anyone doubts that the trillionaire banking class didn't help promote Hitler and Lenin, you need to dig a lot more deeeper.
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I think this guy describes it best:

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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
Your premise, Lefty, is flawed as always. Nazi's (National Socialists) are left wing as are socialists, communists, and 'progressives'. The left ALWAYS refers to Nazis as right wing so people don't realize what they all eventually act like. Ask Chik-fil-A. Right wing are theocrats and anarchists.
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Yet Hitler wanted Christianity for his reich. Germans have always been suckers for Christ. A true white revolution can only work when you get rid of ALL the Semitic ideological filth.
Holocaust denier white secretly urban negro.
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
Your premise, Lefty, is flawed as always. Nazi's (National Socialists) are left wing as are socialists, communists, and 'progressives'. The left ALWAYS refers to Nazis as right wing so people don't realize what they all eventually act like. Ask Chik-fil-A. Right wing are theocrats and anarchists.
 Quoting: cdwarior 1564478


Yet Hitler wanted Christianity for his reich. Germans have always been suckers for Christ. A true white revolution can only work when you get rid of ALL the Semitic ideological filth.
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He liked the values, but teaching of religion was abolished when the Nazis took over.

Still, they were socialist left-wing utopian whackjobs and should be associated with today's left-wing mao-worshipping nutters.
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
.. we only have a choice between international socialism and national socialism... where do people who want limited govt, no wars and no national debt stand?

This left-right argument is a clever trick.

National Socialists = big government, control over your life
International Socialists = big government, control over your life.

Hmm
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27799776


The funny thing about the so-called political spectrum is that it's illogical bullshit. It's completely obsolete. It leaves no room to differentiate between the, at times, diametrically opposed nuances that make up a political ideology, as is the case with fascism and its subtypes for example. While clearly defined as right-wing, it's corporatist economic was born out of largely socialist influences, whereas it's ultra national take on cultural and social issues was on the outer right wing part of the political spectrum. Point being that a singular ideology can often harbor a variety of political elements.
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
Your premise, Lefty, is flawed as always. Nazi's (National Socialists) are left wing as are socialists, communists, and 'progressives'. The left ALWAYS refers to Nazis as right wing so people don't realize what they all eventually act like. Ask Chik-fil-A. Right wing are theocrats and anarchists.
 Quoting: cdwarior 1564478


Yet Hitler wanted Christianity for his reich. Germans have always been suckers for Christ. A true white revolution can only work when you get rid of ALL the Semitic ideological filth.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


He liked the values, but teaching of religion was abolished when the Nazis took over.

Still, they were socialist left-wing utopian whackjobs and should be associated with today's left-wing mao-worshipping nutters.
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There was also, at least to some extent, a rebirth of Germanic paganism from what I've read. At least in the higher circles of society. But yeah, I think the Nazis ultimately had more of an issue with the Church as a political institution rather than the morality they so hypocritically preached.
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
Left and Right are just false labels designed to confuse people and create arguments that obfuscate the truth:

The Banking Cartel wants world totalitarianism.

It's much easier to foment the agenda when populations are fighting and arguing over who to fight.

I'll tell you who to fight:

The bankers.
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Nazis are left wing look at brown shirt tatics and look at union tatics. Hitler was a vegetarian and we all know how unstable those sons-of-bitches are.
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
.. we only have a choice between international socialism and national socialism... where do people who want limited govt, no wars and no national debt stand?

This left-right argument is a clever trick.

National Socialists = big government, control over your life
International Socialists = big government, control over your life.

Hmm
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27799776


The funny thing about the so-called political spectrum is that it's illogical bullshit. It's completely obsolete. It leaves no room to differentiate between the, at times, diametrically opposed nuances that make up a political ideology, as is the case with fascism and its subtypes for example. While clearly defined as right-wing, it's corporatist economic was born out of largely socialist influences, whereas it's ultra national take on cultural and social issues was on the outer right wing part of the political spectrum. Point being that a singular ideology can often harbor a variety of political elements.
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This is true, but it's due to the fact that people can't wrap their heads around it. I've been called a Marxist just because I am an atheist while I am preaching for free markets within a white nationalist context. Go figure.
Holocaust denier white secretly urban negro.
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
.. we only have a choice between international socialism and national socialism... where do people who want limited govt, no wars and no national debt stand?

This left-right argument is a clever trick.

National Socialists = big government, control over your life
International Socialists = big government, control over your life.

Hmm
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where do people who want limited govt, no wars and no national debt stand?

This pretty well defines Libertarianism,IMHO.
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
Your premise, Lefty, is flawed as always. Nazi's (National Socialists) are left wing as are socialists, communists, and 'progressives'. The left ALWAYS refers to Nazis as right wing so people don't realize what they all eventually act like. Ask Chik-fil-A. Right wing are theocrats and anarchists.
 Quoting: cdwarior 1564478


Yet Hitler wanted Christianity for his reich. Germans have always been suckers for Christ. A true white revolution can only work when you get rid of ALL the Semitic ideological filth.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


He liked the values, but teaching of religion was abolished when the Nazis took over.

Still, they were socialist left-wing utopian whackjobs and should be associated with today's left-wing mao-worshipping nutters.
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This is pure non sense.
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
.. we only have a choice between international socialism and national socialism... where do people who want limited govt, no wars and no national debt stand?

This left-right argument is a clever trick.

National Socialists = big government, control over your life
International Socialists = big government, control over your life.

Hmm
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where do people who want limited govt, no wars and no national debt stand?

This pretty well defines Libertarianism,IMHO.
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But the mainstream associate Libetarianism with being right-wing but they also say National Socialists are right-wing.
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
Your premise, Lefty, is flawed as always. Nazi's (National Socialists) are left wing as are socialists, communists, and 'progressives'. The left ALWAYS refers to Nazis as right wing so people don't realize what they all eventually act like. Ask Chik-fil-A. Right wing are theocrats and anarchists.
 Quoting: cdwarior 1564478


Yet Hitler wanted Christianity for his reich. Germans have always been suckers for Christ. A true white revolution can only work when you get rid of ALL the Semitic ideological filth.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


He liked the values, but teaching of religion was abolished when the Nazis took over.

Still, they were socialist left-wing utopian whackjobs and should be associated with today's left-wing mao-worshipping nutters.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27799776


This is pure non sense.
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Really? Thanks for providing the link which proves your point. The Nazis did abolish religious teaching in school, a simple google search shows this.
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
Your premise, Lefty, is flawed as always. Nazi's (National Socialists) are left wing as are socialists, communists, and 'progressives'. The left ALWAYS refers to Nazis as right wing so people don't realize what they all eventually act like. Ask Chik-fil-A. Right wing are theocrats and anarchists.
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this
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Yet Hitler wanted Christianity for his reich. Germans have always been suckers for Christ. A true white revolution can only work when you get rid of ALL the Semitic ideological filth.
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He liked the values, but teaching of religion was abolished when the Nazis took over.

Still, they were socialist left-wing utopian whackjobs and should be associated with today's left-wing mao-worshipping nutters.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27799776


This is pure non sense.
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Really? Thanks for providing the link which proves your point. The Nazis did abolish religious teaching in school, a simple google search shows this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27799776


You didn't either moron.

I did Google search, and it doesn't.
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He liked the values, but teaching of religion was abolished when the Nazis took over.

Still, they were socialist left-wing utopian whackjobs and should be associated with today's left-wing mao-worshipping nutters.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27799776


This is pure non sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27418740


Really? Thanks for providing the link which proves your point. The Nazis did abolish religious teaching in school, a simple google search shows this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27799776


You didn't either moron.

I did Google search, and it doesn't.
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You really are useless.

Controlling education

Up until 1933, the provincial governments were responsible for the majority of schools. When the Nazis came to power, Berlin's Minister of Education, Bernhard Rust, became responsible for education in Germany. Every pupil had to stay in school until he or she was 14 years old, then it was optional. There were separate schools for girls and boys. The number of Physical Education lessons doubled, but Religious Education was abolished.

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
Why? Something not right with your country? Didnt the victory in WW2 pay off as planned?
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if thay planned to let muzzis rape their womam and international bankers rape the world...


great success...
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Re: If the Nazi's are right-wing and the international socialists are left-wing then..
.. we only have a choice between international socialism and national socialism... where do people who want limited govt, no wars and no national debt stand?

This left-right argument is a clever trick.

National Socialists = big government, control over your life
International Socialists = big government, control over your life.

Hmm
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You have no clue about national socialism,the bullshit facing America and Europe today would not have happened had they won.

For example if i was too set up a company that put profit before people and had any negative effect on the people in a national socialist run country then im in big trouble,do you get it,no cos your an idiot.

Dont equate today with Nazis,3 forces went into WW2,capitalism,communism,national socialism,national socialism along with its leader and thinkers were wiped off the face of the earth,bye bye,gone,never coming back.

After that only Captialism and Communism were left,communism won the cold war,look the fuck around you,we have no manufacturing left,we have millions out of work,we are in debt up too our eyeballs and we have let in half of the 3rd world into the west with all of us nearly in the minority now,we are teetering on WW3 with who ???,china and russia both of which are communist,think they where going to give up,they even said we would hang ourself with our own rope,that rope was greed,do you get it

All the people who defended us are dead or retired,something has taken over our countries,how disconected are we from our governments,we have no control of anything,why ?

Scary times we live in.
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This is pure non sense.
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Really? Thanks for providing the link which proves your point. The Nazis did abolish religious teaching in school, a simple google search shows this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27799776


You didn't either moron.

I did Google search, and it doesn't.
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You really are useless.

Controlling education

Up until 1933, the provincial governments were responsible for the majority of schools. When the Nazis came to power, Berlin's Minister of Education, Bernhard Rust, became responsible for education in Germany. Every pupil had to stay in school until he or she was 14 years old, then it was optional. There were separate schools for girls and boys. The number of Physical Education lessons doubled, but Religious Education was abolished.

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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So the ban religious education = banning religion?

The site you listed was the only site that claimed that Nazi Germany ban religious education, almost all other sources claimed religious education became optional in schools.

What you spew is just lies.

Hitler wasn't pro-Christian, but he certainly never ban it.

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