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IssueX User ID: 14348632  United States11/15/2012 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Once again folks, I'm telling you that there are no plans to re-instate the draft. There is no budget for it and even an approval process would require an act of congress, not an Obama order. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27819625 In reality, we have very few volunteers who have been trained to be on a draft board, and in a time of emergency it would take quite a long time to make it run well. They would probably have to promote all of today's trained volunteers to paid positions to train other volunteers to set up enough boards. It takes months to train soldiers, and if people are seeking to have an exemption, even longer time will be required. The draft is for 19 to 23 on average with the age of 27-30 still possible as reserve. All loopholes to avoid being drafted were closed long ago. There are basically NO exemptions save for Pastoral or Priesthood. This is the worst rumor mill, and statements mentioned about drafting people up to 40 are fiction. Could be, but I do know that Charles Rangel, Democrat from NY, has been pushing for a draft for years...and he is in favor of drafting people up to the age of 42 The NY Times: He (Rangel) should be better known for a piece of legislation he has sponsored in several different sessions of Congress, never to any avail. Known as HR 5741, it would essentially reinstate a service draft for Americans from the ages of 21 to 42, thus ending the all-volunteer military force that has fought wars for us since the latter years of Vietnam. [link to ideas.time.com] In his own words: Rangel: A Compulsory Military Draft is All That's Left In addition, when Obama first took office in 2009, he was talking about mandatory service for 19-25 year olds in a "civilian" corps. Maybe that went away, or maybe it was just dormant until it was ready to be resurrected Obama's Plan for The Draft- MANDATORY SERVICE everyone 18-25 Last Edited by IssueX on 11/15/2012 03:49 PM |
| WAKEUPAMERICA01 User ID: 24094200 United States11/15/2012 03:51 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | screw charley rangel, that is one crooked ass piece of shit, send him and all his ilk like him to the front lines just get those pieces of shit out of this country. Then we wouldn't have to worry bout no draft and unless we got invaded I ain't signing back up voluntarily or involuntarily WAKE UP AMERICA "I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death." Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776 "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it." Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777 "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President. "A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency." |
Chip Forum Moderator User ID: 21090171 United States11/15/2012 03:51 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | American dynamics have changed...it will cause an uprising...much like a massive gun confiscation. Draft...never happen. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. ~Arthur C. Clarke Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. ~Mark Twain |
| 2342 User ID: 25768189 United States11/15/2012 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With a few exceptions, most men under the age of 40 will be drafted for the coming war. There exists a subset of the population that will not be drafted as their occupation, or formal education, will allow them to enter into reserved occupations; those holding graduate degrees in a STEM field will not be permitted to serve in the military [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] . So, if you chose to slack off and major in liberal arts in college, you can write to the rest of us while bullets are whizzing by your hooch. Quoting: Wonkish Now, if you are a current student and hope to delay service until you finish your degree, you're shit out of luck buddy: "...college senior[s] may postpone his [their] induction for the remainder of the academic year. Freshmen, sophomores and juniors may postpone their induction until the end of the semester" [link to people.howstuffworks.com] . Are you thinking of pretending to be a faggot? Well, that won't work either. Homosexuality will also no longer disqualify one from military service due to Obama having repealed "Don't ask, don't tell" [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)] . Now you may be thinking to yourself: "Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's your fucking point you morAn?" Given recent events, Obama's own words, and an executive order, its looking like the U.S. will reinstate the draft. Recent events: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] Obama's own words: "There was that sense of sacred obligation that, frankly, we have lost during these last two wars," Obama said. "I want to restore that." "But it's also important that a president speaks to military service as an OBLIGATION not just of some, but of many. You know, I traveled, obviously, a lot over the last 19 months. And if you go to small towns, throughout the Midwest or the Southwest or the South, every town has tons of young people who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's not always the case in other parts of the country, in more urban centers. And I think it's important for the president to say, this is an important obligation. If we are going into war, then ALL of us go, not just SOME." [link to rense.com] Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness [link to www.whitehouse.gov] Lawmakers calling for the draft to be reinstated (23/9/2012) [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] Ready or not, it's coming and it looks there is nothing you can do about it. Wonk you bring up some good points. Maybe we'll put together a podcast on this issue and how plausible it is. www.youtube.com/clandestinetimelord |
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| Daersoulkeeper User ID: 1159767 United States11/15/2012 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | my hands are damaged bet they cant draft me the real reason most people on this planet are the most ignorant gullible people that have ever lived is a little thing called the TELL-LIE-VISION television when you watch it, you put the I(you) in television and you get tel(i)evision tell lie vision |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 14392840 United States11/15/2012 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Once again folks, I'm telling you that there are no plans to re-instate the draft. There is no budget for it and even an approval process would require an act of congress, not an Obama order. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27819625 In reality, we have very few volunteers who have been trained to be on a draft board, and in a time of emergency it would take quite a long time to make it run well. They would probably have to promote all of today's trained volunteers to paid positions to train other volunteers to set up enough boards. It takes months to train soldiers, and if people are seeking to have an exemption, even longer time will be required. The draft is for 19 to 23 on average with the age of 27-30 still possible as reserve. All loopholes to avoid being drafted were closed long ago. There are basically NO exemptions save for Pastoral or Priesthood. This is the worst rumor mill, and statements mentioned about drafting people up to 40 are fiction. Yes, this takes time, Its not going to happen anytime soon. I predict that in ten years we will see a world war of such scale and magnitude we will require a draft, but not yet. People do not understand the magnitude and the money and the budget and urgency and paperwork it would need When our own soil is threatened, then Id worry.. |
| *Evan* I bleed orange and black User ID: 21948600 United States11/15/2012 04:13 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 90% of america is to fat & TO stupid for war, easy targets, that will take care of the unimplyment problems in the US. That would be *too fat and *too stupid for war. Oh, and there is no "i" in unemployment. Formerly:Michael Bolton Negan, Rick Grimes, Heisenberg, Charlie Scene, “The Fourth Amendment is clear; we should be secure in our persons, houses, papers, and effects, and all warrants must have probable cause. Today the government operates largely in secret, while seeking to know everything about our private lives – without probable cause and without a warrant. The government does not need to know more about what we are doing. We need to know more about what the government is doing.”-Ron Paul |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23524705 United States11/15/2012 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There has been standing legislation to re-instate the draft since conscription was halted. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23524705 I'm ready to serve my country in whatever capacity is needed. I have have mixed feelings about conscription but I generally support the idea. I have an advanced degree in physics, so I will be able to choose my mission, but if there is a major war and its necessary I will be joining right up. I will probably do what my grandfather did, in that he got a degree in physics and then went straight into the navy in '36 because he knew shit was going down and he knew the navy needed people like that. I feel this way now, I don't agree with the military or everything our country does, but I have a sneaking suspicion they're going to need all the help they can get. Hmmm just keep telling your self this what inpatient facility is letting you have internet time? Inpatient facility is a perfect description, I work at a university lab, all major universities are basically mental institutions/nut-houses, esp the physics departments. At least have my own incandescent light bulb to work under. For some reason I just cant do math or problem solving very well under fluorescent lights. And they do give us a pretty fat internet tube, could be allot worse. Advanced physics degree gonna let you choose your mission? Here's your mission son: forward artillery trajectory specialist. All that physics will come in handy for selecting the proper trajectory for the artillery AT THE FRONT LINE... where you'll be sleeping in a trench and eating out of, shitting in and washing up in your helmet. Choose your mission?...HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA That's funny, I have consulted on private-sector projects related to radar systems that aim artillery shells, so I have done at least some of my part there. Have you ever been to a military base? Or even talked to military officer? I have a wide variety of skills not only related to physics, that have already put me over the regular guys. While in college I have been able to participate in some aspects of military training, including teaching ROTC courses related to navigation, etc. I personally have friends who were able to pretty much choose and build their military carers after either advanced science degrees or undergrad in fields of engineering. My understanding is that the pentagon is desperate for smart educated people. Remember the navy runs on nuclear reactors, and you need at least some physics to operate one. With my education I could become a reactor operator in a matter of days or weeks, something your average idiot could simply not do. do you really think they want people like that in the mud? Let me clarify my statement by saying that if there is a draft for which I am eligible, by choice would be to enter the navy's OCS. I have more then adequate credentials to do so, and may end up there anyway, and yeah they will let me choose my mission and job. Also I'm not your son. |
| IssueX User ID: 14348632 United States11/15/2012 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obama to Put Women in Combat YouTube Debate: Require Women to Register for the Draft? Hillary says Yes, it's only fair, as do most on the panel Absolutely. In fact, as the argument goes, it would be unfair to keep them away from the front line. Women fought for equal rights, now they get to share the full range of male experiences The precedent has been set in Israel, where both sexes have been required to serve in the military for decades I hate war, but I have been following this topic for a decade, and I saw discussion to expand SSS to include women begin after 9/11, fwiw. Selective Service eyes women's draft The proposal would also require registration of critical skills SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER WASHINGTON BUREAU Published 10:00 p.m., Friday, April 30, 2004 Some of the skill areas where the armed forces are facing "critical shortages" include linguists and computer specialists, the agency said. Americans would then be required to regularly update the agency on their skills until they reach age 35. [link to www.seattlepi.com] Here is an interesting discussion of the draft on Constitution.net, fwiw. Wouldn't it be interesting if the decision to require women to register for SSS came about as the result of a lawsuit by parents of a son? The acceptance of women into the military in the late 20th century had largely dispelled any myth that women cannot serve as effective combat troops, though women are still restricted from holding some positions in the military. In addition, other militaries, such as that of Israel, where women serve in all roles, further dispel this myth. The change to add women to the draft will, however, only come about with a sea change in American perception and law. [link to www.usconstitution.net] Last Edited by IssueX on 11/15/2012 04:58 PM |
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| Generation Doom User ID: 20816248 United States11/15/2012 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Meh...refuse the draft and go to prison. Three hots and a cot sounds better than getting shot at. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25880986  Canada11/15/2012 04:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well a draft would cut down on the feeders.,and a whole lot of baby daddys..so that being said a population reduction of hoovers to the tune tens of millions more over the next generation would actually economically help you in a morbid sort of way...side note: and the extra housing that wasnt turned into ghettos.well lay down some new sod..remove the plywood and hello subarbia once again.GOD HELP US |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 14392840 United States11/15/2012 04:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Meh...refuse the draft and go to prison. Three hots and a cot sounds better than getting shot at. Quoting: Generation Doom You think you would really have it that easy..Dont you have homework to do by the morning? Wanktard Let him have his point, How many vets have come home messed up , if they came home at all? Nothing evil in kids that dont want to kill or be killed Kids want to grow up and have families, not come back with one leg and PTSD. |
| Daersoulkeeper User ID: 1159767 United States11/15/2012 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obama to Put Women in Combat YouTube Debate: Require Women to Register for the Draft? Hillary says Yes, it's only fair, as do most on the panel Absolutely. In fact, as the argument goes, it would unfair to keep them away from the front line. Women fought for equal rights, now they get to share the full range of male experiences The precedent has been set in Israel, where both sexes have been required to serve in the military for decades I hate war, but I have been following this topic for a decade, and I saw discussion to expand SSS to include women begin after 9/11, fwiw. Selective Service eyes women's draft The proposal would also require registration of critical skills SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER WASHINGTON BUREAU Published 10:00 p.m., Friday, April 30, 2004 Some of the skill areas where the armed forces are facing "critical shortages" include linguists and computer specialists, the agency said. Americans would then be required to regularly update the agency on their skills until they reach age 35. [link to www.seattlepi.com] Here is an interesting discussion of the draft on Constitution.net, fwiw. Wouldn't it be interesting if the decision to require women to register for SSS came about as the result of a lawsuit by parents of a son? The acceptance of women into the military in the late 20th century had largely dispelled any myth that women cannot serve as effective combat troops, though women are still restricted from holding some positions in the military. In addition, other militaries, such as that of Israel, where women serve in all roles, further dispel this myth. The change to add women to the draft will, however, only come about with a sea change in American perception and law. [link to www.usconstitution.net] minus well just shoot myself if they draft women. FUCK THAT SHIT she said "woman can do anything men can do if not better" FUCKING BULL FUCKING SHIT i dont want sally talking her ass off and getting emotional in combat. unless of course its required they give BJs while were fighting for a moral boost Last Edited by Daersoulkeeper on 11/15/2012 04:52 PM the real reason most people on this planet are the most ignorant gullible people that have ever lived is a little thing called the TELL-LIE-VISION television when you watch it, you put the I(you) in television and you get tel(i)evision tell lie vision |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25436932 United States11/15/2012 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With a few exceptions, most men under the age of 40 will be drafted for the coming war. There exists a subset of the population that will not be drafted as their occupation, or formal education, will allow them to enter into reserved occupations; those holding graduate degrees in a STEM field will not be permitted to serve in the military [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] . So, if you chose to slack off and major in liberal arts in college, you can write to the rest of us while bullets are whizzing by your hooch. Quoting: Wonkish Now, if you are a current student and hope to delay service until you finish your degree, you're shit out of luck buddy: "...college senior[s] may postpone his [their] induction for the remainder of the academic year. Freshmen, sophomores and juniors may postpone their induction until the end of the semester" [link to people.howstuffworks.com] . Are you thinking of pretending to be a faggot? Well, that won't work either. Homosexuality will also no longer disqualify one from military service due to Obama having repealed "Don't ask, don't tell" [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)] . Now you may be thinking to yourself: "Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's your fucking point you morAn?" Given recent events, Obama's own words, and an executive order, its looking like the U.S. will reinstate the draft. Recent events: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] Obama's own words: "There was that sense of sacred obligation that, frankly, we have lost during these last two wars," Obama said. "I want to restore that." "But it's also important that a president speaks to military service as an OBLIGATION not just of some, but of many. You know, I traveled, obviously, a lot over the last 19 months. And if you go to small towns, throughout the Midwest or the Southwest or the South, every town has tons of young people who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's not always the case in other parts of the country, in more urban centers. And I think it's important for the president to say, this is an important obligation. If we are going into war, then ALL of us go, not just SOME." [link to rense.com] Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness [link to www.whitehouse.gov] Lawmakers calling for the draft to be reinstated (23/9/2012) [link to www.huffingtonpost.com] Ready or not, it's coming and it looks there is nothing you can do about it. I can't wait..over 45 and man is it gonna be nice providing cock to all those lonely ladies..don't worry guys, i'll just fuk em an leave em and fuk em again |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 14392840 United States11/15/2012 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obama to Put Women in Combat YouTube Debate: Require Women to Register for the Draft? Hillary says Yes, it's only fair, as do most on the panel Absolutely. In fact, as the argument goes, it would unfair to keep them away from the front line. Women fought for equal rights, now they get to share the full range of male experiences The precedent has been set in Israel, where both sexes have been required to serve in the military for decades I hate war, but I have been following this topic for a decade, and I saw discussion to expand SSS to include women begin after 9/11, fwiw. Selective Service eyes women's draft The proposal would also require registration of critical skills SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER WASHINGTON BUREAU Published 10:00 p.m., Friday, April 30, 2004 Some of the skill areas where the armed forces are facing "critical shortages" include linguists and computer specialists, the agency said. Americans would then be required to regularly update the agency on their skills until they reach age 35. [link to www.seattlepi.com] Here is an interesting discussion of the draft on Constitution.net, fwiw. Wouldn't it be interesting if the decision to require women to register for SSS came about as the result of a lawsuit by parents of a son? The acceptance of women into the military in the late 20th century had largely dispelled any myth that women cannot serve as effective combat troops, though women are still restricted from holding some positions in the military. In addition, other militaries, such as that of Israel, where women serve in all roles, further dispel this myth. The change to add women to the draft will, however, only come about with a sea change in American perception and law. [link to www.usconstitution.net] minus well just shoot myself if they draft women. FUCK THAT SHIT she said "woman can do anything men can do if not better" FUCKING BULL FUCKING SHIT i dont want sally talking her ass off and getting emotional in combat. Its not just that, Women get preggars and raped in wartime. Not a pretty sight. |
| Anonymous Cowherder FEMA Region IX. User ID: 2245483 United States11/15/2012 05:20 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There has been standing legislation to re-instate the draft since conscription was halted. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23524705 I'm ready to serve my country in whatever capacity is needed. I have have mixed feelings about conscription but I generally support the idea. I have an advanced degree in physics, so I will be able to choose my mission, but if there is a major war and its necessary I will be joining right up. I will probably do what my grandfather did, in that he got a degree in physics and then went straight into the navy in '36 because he knew shit was going down and he knew the navy needed people like that. I feel this way now, I don't agree with the military or everything our country does, but I have a sneaking suspicion they're going to need all the help they can get. Hmmm just keep telling your self this what inpatient facility is letting you have internet time? Inpatient facility is a perfect description, I work at a university lab, all major universities are basically mental institutions/nut-houses, esp the physics departments. At least have my own incandescent light bulb to work under. For some reason I just cant do math or problem solving very well under fluorescent lights. And they do give us a pretty fat internet tube, could be allot worse. Advanced physics degree gonna let you choose your mission? Here's your mission son: forward artillery trajectory specialist. All that physics will come in handy for selecting the proper trajectory for the artillery AT THE FRONT LINE... where you'll be sleeping in a trench and eating out of, shitting in and washing up in your helmet. Choose your mission?...HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA 13Es don't sleep in trenches. Bravos maybe, if they're towed. Foxtrots, possibly, but Echoes? nope. oh, and it's Cannon Fire Direction Specialist. Last Edited by Anonymous Cowherder on 11/15/2012 05:21 PM I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist. I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is an outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good. It's a flower, not something to be feared. Thread: One "Member" That Everyone Should Know... Thread: Ben Swann leaving Fox 19, where should he go? [Poll] - Moo! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 957572 United States11/15/2012 05:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ask if the cowardly shitscum orthdox jews all 400000 of them are going to man up and fight ? Where are they going too train all these "draftees" ? Brac decimated the training bases 20 odd years ago. They have neither the capacity or the cadre to train more than they are enlisting right now. |
| Chip Forum Moderator User ID: 21090171 United States11/15/2012 05:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | my 38 yr old son will NOT be going anywhere. Quoting: natasha77 Thanks. And who said it was 40 and under??? The maximum draft age was changed to 42 in 2006. Last Edited by Chip on 11/15/2012 05:41 PM Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. ~Arthur C. Clarke Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. ~Mark Twain |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25615075 United States11/15/2012 05:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you are diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorder, you cannot join the military. I would assume that this would also be applicable in the draft. I know this to be true, as my x-husbnad wanted our son, age 19, to delay college eudcation and join the army first so that his college would be paid for. But once they learned that our son had ADD, they wouldn't take him. This is due to the fact that they do not want miltary personnel to be without their meds in the battlefield. |
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| Chip Forum Moderator User ID: 21090171 United States11/15/2012 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | " O Canada ..." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466889 This shit happens I'll flee to my Canadian brothers. Have fun dodging bullets and shrapnel ... I' be outta dodge faster than a cheap hooker opens her legs. Canada is a myth. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. ~Arthur C. Clarke Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. ~Mark Twain |
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