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How humans are not physically created to eat meat

 
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If I wasn't meant to eat meat...then why do I have 4 Canine (2 on top, 2 on bottom)?

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Hi, they are NOT canine at all, they are in line (flat) with the other ones.

PS very interesting thread OP. Thanks.
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Although some historians and anthropologists say that man is historically omnivorous, our anatomical equipment * teeth, jaws, and digestive system favors a fleshless diet. The American Dietetic Association notes that "most of mankind for most of human history has lived on vegetarian or near-vegetarian diets."

And much of the world still lives that way. Even on most industrialized countries, the love affair with meat is less than a hundred years old. It started with the refrigerator car and the twentieth-century consumer society. But even with the twentieth century, man's body hasn't adapted to eating meat. The prominent Swedish scientist Karl von Linne states, "Man's structure, external and internal, compared with that of the other animals, shows that fruit and succulent vegetables constitute his natural food." The chart below compares the anatomy of man with that of carnivorous and herbivorous animals.

When you look at the comparison between herbivores and humans, we compare much more closely to herbivores than meat eating animals. Humans are clearly not designed to digest and ingest meat.

Meat-eaters: have claws
Herbivores: no claws
Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970)


Clearly if humans were meant to eat meat we wouldn't have so many crucial ingestive/digestive similarities with animals that are herbivores.

Many people ask me, "If we weren't supposed to eat meat than why do we?". It is because we are conditioned to eat meat. Also, the ADA (American Dietetic Association) tells us that "most of mankind for most of human history has lived on a vegetarian or Lacto-ovo vegetarian diet."

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Meat Eating Behind Evolutionary Success of Humankind, Global Population Spread, Study Suggests

ScienceDaily (Apr. 19, 2012) — Carnivory is behind the evolutionary success of humankind. When early humans started to eat meat and eventually hunt, their new, higher-quality diet meant that women could wean their children earlier. Women could then give birth to more children during their reproductive life, which is a possible contribution to the population gradually spreading over the world. The connection between eating meat and a faster weaning process is shown by a research group from Lund University in Sweden, which compared close to 70 mammalian species and found clear patterns.

Learning to hunt was a decisive step in human evolution. Hunting necessitated communication, planning and the use of tools, all of which demanded a larger brain. At the same time, adding meat to the diet made it possible to develop this larger brain.

"This has been known for a long time. However, no one has previously shown the strong connection between meat eating and the duration of breast-feeding, which is a crucial piece of the puzzle in this context. Eating meat enabled the breast-feeding periods and thereby the time between births, to be shortened. This must have had a crucial impact on human evolution," says Elia Psouni of Lund University.

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this is so stupid even not logical...uh.
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All humans living in cold climates have predominantly meat diets. This is because there is little other food in those areas. Humans and their immediate ancestors have been living in these areas for hundreds of thousands of years. OP is delusional.
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Not physically able to eat Grass either. But we grind it up and cook it and eat. Corn and wheat = grass.

Can't naturally eat legumes or potatoes either. But we cook them and can eat them.

So, is this ideal food? No. But it allows us to have massive populations.
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i eat what i want. end of story... anything else?
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Early humans were already using stone tips to enhance the killing power of spears at least 500,000 years ago-guess they were hunting fruit.
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btw op is a man! and nobody that knows me would dare say that vegetarianism is for weak, pale, skiny girls.
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Out of curiosity, can you describe a typical menu of what you eat in a day/week? Where does the protein come from?
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By eliminating meat from your diet you can save money:
the government subsidizes meat to the point that, according to
John Robbins (Diet for a New America), a pound
of hamburger would cost $89 if not subsidized.

(And that book was written over a decade ago…)

Soon only the very wealthy will be able to eat meat.

So get used to it!

Heated meat is one of the biggies in causes of disease,
including Alzheimer’s and cancer.

Learn how to forage for greens.

You can live on greens.

Our closest genetic relatives (chimps) eat at least 60%
of their diet in greens.

Greens contain a lot of protein, and are the most alkaline food
(which is the no.1 thing for health.).

Just be careful though.

Christopher McCandless (the guy who the movie Into the Wild
was based on) did not read the distinctions between
two similar-looking plants carefully and that
is what killed him.

Also ask the farmers to save their (nonsprayed) weeds for you.

Offer them $20 for a box.

Weeds have more minerals than most of the greens
you buy at the store!

Minerals are more important than vitamins.

They tell your body when enough is enough, because
your body actually craves minerals, not calories.

As you are getting better and better nutrition, gradually
reduce your caloric intake.

Studies on rodents and primates prove that this extends
our lives by 30-40%.

We can get by on about half the calories if the food is
nutritious---the way to do it is by making the food
raw and organic.

You don’t have to be 100% raw, you don’t have to be
a hardcore raw foodist.

If you do, that’s totally fine and that’s great.

If you want to be 50% raw or 80% raw, whatever
is going to work for you will make a difference.

But just remember this, wherever you are today,
you can only get better by incorporating more
raw fruits and vegetables into your diet.
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Whatever. I have canine teeth that are meant for tearing meat. I am 0+ which, according to eating by blood type means I can eat more meat than any other blood type.

If I had to live on vegetables, I would have to eat all day.

My body processes meat very well. If I eat a vegetable lunch, I'm hungry in an hour. If I eat meat, I can last until my next meal.

I will never stop eating meat.
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Whatever. I have canine teeth that are meant for tearing meat. I am 0+ which, according to eating by blood type means I can eat more meat than any other blood type.

If I had to live on vegetables, I would have to eat all day.

My body processes meat very well. If I eat a vegetable lunch, I'm hungry in an hour. If I eat meat, I can last until my next meal.

I will never stop eating meat.
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Many herbivore animals have fangs - apes, elephants fruit bat, and so on. Fangs do not = carnivore.

Blood type is irrelevant.

No humans processes meats well. The animal fats flood the liver and entire CV system.

It can take some getting used to but vegetables can be completely satisfying. Potato, Vegan Spaghetti, Veggie Stir Fry, Chili, and many other dishes are just as good without meats.

Then try a piece of dark chocolate and it kills the appetite.

Getting away from McDs and Burger king is a very possitive move.
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Whatever. I have canine teeth that are meant for tearing meat. I am 0+ which, according to eating by blood type means I can eat more meat than any other blood type.

If I had to live on vegetables, I would have to eat all day.

My body processes meat very well. If I eat a vegetable lunch, I'm hungry in an hour. If I eat meat, I can last until my next meal.

I will never stop eating meat.
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i am not a muslim but i do ramadan, which is where you dont eat anything all day long for a month. after i progressed to a meat free diet i noticed that ramadan became a hell of a lot easier! i can very easily go all day without eating and have a small meal before i go to bed!

i would say you need to pay more atention to your own body before you start telling everyone what your body can and cant do.
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OP, After you get bored with vegetables and fruits you may want to transition to Breatharianism which would be an entire new world of not eating at all.

We have been taught to eat meat, most likely due to very cold climates where vegetation does not grow. I have noticed more people are moving to the vegetarian and vegan lifestyle these last few years. I cut out meat due to health reasons.
Here is an old guy who doesn't eat meat and up this this video, he claims to never experience sickness. I know this guy is a huge leap, but his lifestyle paid off. Dr. Sebi also says Meat is not healthy for our body although we can eat it. He has cured all diseases with plants and herbs.

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Meat eaters are stronger and smarter. OP do you wish for our children to become weak dumbtards?
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I believe that is exactly what the TPTB want us and our children to be.

After much research, I have finally found a great diet at near 50 years of age. I am blood type O+ and I eat mainly lean red meat, fish and chicken. I avoid dairy and whole wheat items. I receive bi-monthly Testosterone shots and work out hard 3x a week. I feel the best I have in years.

* GLP men, stay away from Soy. It can raise Estrogen levels. Start paying attention to the ingredients in your food, it is everywhere. Makes you wonder.
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We Evolved to eat meat during the last ice age when things didn't grow.

It was an Evolutionary adaption brought on by climate change.
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I also believe this. Meat was a necessity to survive. Even in the 1800s, meat was a necessity to survive the winter months.
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i would say you need to pay more atention to your own body before you start telling everyone what your body can and cant do.
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maybe you should just eat whatever you want and let other people eat whatever they want?
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Hey OP if your premise were to be true how did humans survive if they did not live in the lower lats of planet earth. When winter comes Eskimos, Native Indians, Native Siberians basically all peoples of earth that experience winter in all of human history had to eat meat in order to survive since in winter there is no growing season and that means no grass no fruit no acorns no nuts nothing for a human to eat but protein from meat to make it through a winter. No meat no living in higher latitudes since nothing to eat. That is human history. Maybe humans started in the garden and those humans were herbivores but as soon as humans left the garden survival was implemented with meat.

One more thing. When I eat grass fed beef marinated and barbecued I experience a heavenly taste in my mouth like no other culinary savory food. So my mind is telling me this is unbelievably delicious almost like an instinct. So ..
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Op im enjoying a nice big juicy steak. I love eating cooked animal flesh.
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Whatever. I have canine teeth that are meant for tearing meat. I am 0+ which, according to eating by blood type means I can eat more meat than any other blood type.

If I had to live on vegetables, I would have to eat all day.

My body processes meat very well. If I eat a vegetable lunch, I'm hungry in an hour. If I eat meat, I can last until my next meal.

I will never stop eating meat.
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Many herbivore animals have fangs - apes, elephants fruit bat, and so on. Fangs do not = carnivore.

Blood type is irrelevant.

No humans processes meats well. The animal fats flood the liver and entire CV system.

It can take some getting used to but vegetables can be completely satisfying. Potato, Vegan Spaghetti, Veggie Stir Fry, Chili, and many other dishes are just as good without meats.

Then try a piece of dark chocolate and it kills the appetite.

Getting away from McDs and Burger king is a very possitive move.
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I have never stepped foot in a burger king and I hate mcdonald's. Steak is my meat of choice with some horse radish on the side. Quitting meat is not an option. Especially if TSHTF, hunting and fishing will be my primary survival plans.
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Hey OP if your premise were to be true how did humans survive if they did not live in the lower lats of planet earth. When winter comes Eskimos, Native Indians, Native Siberians basically all peoples of earth that experience winter in all of human history had to eat meat in order to survive since in winter there is no growing season and that means no grass no fruit no acorns no nuts nothing for a human to eat but protein from meat to make it through a winter. No meat no living in higher latitudes since nothing to eat. That is human history. Maybe humans started in the garden and those humans were herbivores but as soon as humans left the garden survival was implemented with meat.
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you never heard of potatoes, grain, or other storable food???
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peta freaks and libtards...

If you don't want to eat meat then don't...

The rest of us will make up our own minds, just as you are doing for yourself.
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peta freaks and libtards...

If you don't want to eat meat then don't...

The rest of us will make up our own minds, just as you are doing for yourself.

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This thread is not about the treatment of animals.

The one thing i have learnt when it comes to this topic is that if people can be converted to being a vegetarian after they read something or from something that is said to them than they most likely would have gone vegetarian anyway. So i never start these type of thread to try and convince anyone to change.
I started this thread for the same reason GLP was started, to spread the truth! You can still eat your meat knowing that it is bad for you, lots of people do lots of things that are bad for them for the sole reason that they like it.
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5* Interesting thread with lots of information.
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Meat eaters are stronger and smarter. OP do you wish for our children to become weak dumbtards?
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I believe that is exactly what the TPTB want us and our children to be.

After much research, I have finally found a great diet at near 50 years of age. I am blood type O+ and I eat mainly lean red meat, fish and chicken. I avoid dairy and whole wheat items. I receive bi-monthly Testosterone shots and work out hard 3x a week. I feel the best I have in years.

* GLP men, stay away from Soy. It can raise Estrogen levels. Start paying attention to the ingredients in your food, it is everywhere. Makes you wonder.
 Quoting: Big Irish Bastard


Most estrogen comes from meat and dairy. This is a fact. Also, meat and dairy industry and fish farms are responsible for the multi resistent mrsa bacteria.


Why Vegetarians Are More Intelligent than Meat Eaters


Vegetarianism would therefore be an evolutionarily novel value and lifestyle, as well as a luxury of abundance. The Hypothesis would predict that more intelligent individuals are more likely to choose to become a vegetarian than less intelligent individuals

This indeed appears to be the case. Among the British respondents in the National Child Development Study, those who are vegetarian at age 42 have significantly higher childhood general intelligence than those who are not vegetarian at age 42. (Childhood general intelligence was measured with 11 different cognitive tests at three ages before 16.) Vegetarians have the mean childhood IQ of 109.1 whereas meat eaters have the mean childhood IQ of 100.9. The difference is large and highly statistically significant.

The relationship holds both among women and men separately. Among women, vegetarians have the mean childhood IQ of 108.0 while meat eaters have the mean childhood IQ of 100.7. Among men, vegetarians have the mean childhood IQ of 111.0 and meat eaters have the mean childhood IQ of 101.1, a 10-point difference!

[link to www.psychologytoday.com]
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Meat eaters are stronger and smarter. OP do you wish for our children to become weak dumbtards?
 Quoting: Politicas


I believe that is exactly what the TPTB want us and our children to be.

After much research, I have finally found a great diet at near 50 years of age. I am blood type O+ and I eat mainly lean red meat, fish and chicken. I avoid dairy and whole wheat items. I receive bi-monthly Testosterone shots and work out hard 3x a week. I feel the best I have in years.

* GLP men, stay away from Soy. It can raise Estrogen levels. Start paying attention to the ingredients in your food, it is everywhere. Makes you wonder.
 Quoting: Big Irish Bastard


Most estrogen comes from meat and dairy. This is a fact. Also, meat and dairy industry and fish farms are responsible for the multi resistent mrsa bacteria.


Why Vegetarians Are More Intelligent than Meat Eaters


Vegetarianism would therefore be an evolutionarily novel value and lifestyle, as well as a luxury of abundance. The Hypothesis would predict that more intelligent individuals are more likely to choose to become a vegetarian than less intelligent individuals

This indeed appears to be the case. Among the British respondents in the National Child Development Study, those who are vegetarian at age 42 have significantly higher childhood general intelligence than those who are not vegetarian at age 42. (Childhood general intelligence was measured with 11 different cognitive tests at three ages before 16.) Vegetarians have the mean childhood IQ of 109.1 whereas meat eaters have the mean childhood IQ of 100.9. The difference is large and highly statistically significant.

The relationship holds both among women and men separately. Among women, vegetarians have the mean childhood IQ of 108.0 while meat eaters have the mean childhood IQ of 100.7. Among men, vegetarians have the mean childhood IQ of 111.0 and meat eaters have the mean childhood IQ of 101.1, a 10-point difference!

[link to www.psychologytoday.com]
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the worlds oldest recorded man was Habib Mian who died in 2008, he was 138 years old and he claimed he was vegetarian for 120 years of his life! exsplain that one!
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Enjoy your diet. Who gives a flying fuck what other people eat? They system is much bigger than you and you're opinion on the matter will only encourage people to double down on what they already do.
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Whatever. I have canine teeth that are meant for tearing meat. I am 0+ which, according to eating by blood type means I can eat more meat than any other blood type.

If I had to live on vegetables, I would have to eat all day.

My body processes meat very well. If I eat a vegetable lunch, I'm hungry in an hour. If I eat meat, I can last until my next meal.

I will never stop eating meat.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11894721


i am not a muslim but i do ramadan, which is where you dont eat anything all day long for a month. after i progressed to a meat free diet i noticed that ramadan became a hell of a lot easier! i can very easily go all day without eating and have a small meal before i go to bed!

i would say you need to pay more atention to your own body before you start telling everyone what your body can and cant do.
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Ram a dong.

Gross!
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Same old lines rehashed by a vegeterian/vegan again and again as to why we should change our dietary choices. I've heard all this stuff before, but I have no intention of giving up meat.

Besides, no matter how much they process it, season it to resemble the real thing...TVP is no match for real meat.
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I was a vegan. I thought it might help.me with my type 1 diabetes. I ended up worse.

there might be a small.percentage of people who can eat this way without problems. im not one of those.

Im now eating a low almost zero carb diet and i never felt better my whole life. my disease is und almost full control now.

what is really annoying is how vegans want to push others to their unhealthy lifestyle with totally uninformed made up.stuff.
When I was vegan i often found stuff that made no sense but you kind of brush that aside.

just check out OMEGA 3 to omega 6 ratio.
vegans are almost all the time in inflammation due to to high omega 6 food.

vegan omega 3 sourcea are very badly absorbed by humans.

animals convert the omega 3 sources to human available omega 3.

VEGAN IS UNHEALTHY CAUSE OF THE NOT AVAILABLE OMEGA 3

ONLY OMEGA 3 from animal sources is easy available for humans.


eating a carbohydrate diet grows fungi and cancer.

tough animal diet is almost equally unhealthy if the animals dont eat healthy simple grass but also the stuff vegans eat like grains etc.

grassfeed chicken and eggs as grassfeed beef. plancton feed fish. THATS THE GOOD STUFF.

and yeah its sad to kill an animal but thats how nature works.
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There is a great variety of vegetables that that average person doesn't consider eating and so they end up eating too many products made from wheat which isn't good and that includes too much meat Have vegetables such as cooked pumpkin, carrots, squash and even eggplant.

Making dishes with green peppers, onions and you know rice is great. Now when you try a large variety you should be getting all the nutrients your body basically needs when you also include salads and fruits. Add spices and herbs to bring out wonderful flavors.

If you want meat mostly you are missing out out the natural way of living. Include fish and eggs is great though as well to help get more protein in your diet. You should feel very healthy.

What I am saying cook in a different way and perhaps avoid restaurants more and your life will change for the better to think clearer and feel more healthy