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The Nobody Walked a True Path of Acknowledgement Without Action

 
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I enjoyed reading that. Bravo!
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The nobody wants to be good.
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this is complete crap

focusing on fantasy and movie-like scenarios

life is not like a Harry Potter movie
people need to get their shit together and transcend all the crap that's coming and has been coming.

Theres a never ending stream of crap like a factory assembly line, so the best thing is to be prepared for an infinite supply of crap. Coming at you.
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Life is indeed like a movie.
Movies are based on the principles of life.
It´s as simple as that, only that you haven´t realized this to the full yet.

life is not like a Harry Potter movie
people need to get their shit together and transcend all the crap that's coming and has been coming.

Theres a never ending stream of crap like a factory assembly line, so the best thing is to be prepared for an infinite supply of crap. Coming at you.
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motivations of heart (true love and compassion), motivations of throat (pure yearning for understanding and expressing truth) are made from much subtler substance than gross motivations of lower centers.
but if a drop of gross motivation is mixed with the upper ones, the wine is spoiled.
 Quoting: andreidita


pretty much unavoidable... and in fact, necessary.

The 'gross' is 'earth' : the alchemical coin. The foundation on which the 'higher' depends: water, air, fire. To deny earth is to remain anchorless, skilless, and without fortitude.

until one understands and 'masters' earth, one cannot play with fire.

despite choice and illusion : law exists. first things must come first.


thats a fact, jack.
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pretty much unavoidable... and in fact, necessary.

The 'gross' is 'earth' : the alchemical coin. The foundation on which the 'higher' depends: water, air, fire. To deny earth is to remain anchorless, skilless, and without fortitude.

until one understands and 'masters' earth, one cannot play with fire.

despite choice and illusion : law exists. first things must come first.


thats a fact, jack.
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yep, the statement was not crystal clear.

although i was referring to motivations

what you say is perfectly true
gross impulses (instincts) have to be alchemicaly transmuted
repressing them in order to spiritualize oneself is a great error.
the cases of pedophilia in the catholic nibisters comes to mind, as an extreme example of this error.

but one is to use the raw materials of gross levels to feed off higher/subtler centers

and quite another is when the motivation/purpose is based in the lower levels.

as an example the force of desire (sexual energy) can be used constructively only insofar it is guided by right aspirations (heart/love center)

otherwise, if desire is not only the driving force, but also one's motivation, then the result is only useless consummation of energy, which in most cases attracts also undesired consequences (karma)
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pretty much unavoidable... and in fact, necessary.

The 'gross' is 'earth' : the alchemical coin. The foundation on which the 'higher' depends: water, air, fire. To deny earth is to remain anchorless, skilless, and without fortitude.

until one understands and 'masters' earth, one cannot play with fire.

despite choice and illusion : law exists. first things must come first.


thats a fact, jack.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9905909


yep, the statement was not crystal clear.

although i was referring to motivations

what you say is perfectly true
gross impulses (instincts) have to be alchemicaly transmuted
repressing them in order to spiritualize oneself is a great error.
the cases of pedophilia in the catholic nibisters comes to mind, as an extreme example of this error.

but one is to use the raw materials of gross levels to feed off higher/subtler centers

and quite another is when the motivation/purpose is based in the lower levels.

as an example the force of desire (sexual energy) can be used constructively only insofar it is guided by right aspirations (heart/love center)

otherwise, if desire is not only the driving force, but also one's motivation, then the result is only useless consummation of energy, which in most cases attracts also undesired consequences (karma)
 Quoting: andreidita


what is constructive use of sexual energy? by what metrics do you define constructive? a destructive thing apears negative and painful while present, but often in the light of time, we see that the destruction provided fertle ground for new growth. construction and destruction should not be equated with good and bad or higher/lower.

but mostly i agree and well said.

motivation matters.

sexual energy is a tool and a force.

It's force is greater than a single human soul and cannot be denied. It can be over indulged in and suppressed and law demands consequences for those choices.
and also as a tool it may be used in many ways: for continued emergence of new human souls primarily, but also as an energy source to initiate certain vibrational modes: my guess is that sexual energy is the easiest 'mallet' (extreme emotional pain being another) with which to ring the kundalini.
it can also be used to manipulate and subjugate.

a tool for the using, guided by choice and subject to the rule of law.

"higher" and "lower" are misleading and even more so when adding value judgements to them (good and bad). They both depend on each other to exist. all actions and choices are a mixture of both.

is the conscious mind a 'higher' thing? are the illusionary/imaginary ideas it creates a 'higher' function?

i say yes it is.

Thru these illusions do we create patterns that are useful for guiding energy: visualisation is key to magik and so the conscious mind's ability to visualize is a primary tool along the path to wisdom.

but also this mind can create illusions that lead to suffering and ideas that inspire humans to kill.

i sujjest that the higher and lower are aspects of the same coin. deny either and you remain incomplete.


still: motivation/intention matters.

but its not what you think... its way more about letting go than anything else. and the service is not service to humankind, it is not 'selfless' service to human suffering.

service is service to God. allowing God to be expressed within oneself. letting go of ideas and listening to the devine within. trusting and allowing.

the actual expresion of dinity takes as many shapes as there are humans and may in fact include being a force of distruction. we are all incarnations of God and our greatest challengde and task is to discovery how that divinity should be expressed within us and realized as actions taken thru choice.

to be the vessel of your God surpasses any experience you can even imagine: and will almost certainly take a form that you can not predict.

each soul is given this opportunity.


almost none take it.



mores the pity
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"to be the vessel of your God surpasses any experience you can even imagine: and will almost certainly take a form that you can not predict."


Yes! once you go GOD, you never go back to the old. It is finished.

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. Rev 10:7

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===



Everything turns. The whole universe, from the smallest subatomic particle, to the largest galaxy, to the universe of galaxies, is turning.
Time also turns.



And for every turning, there is a center around which it turns. Sometimes it is known, sometimes it is unknown. Sometimes it is obvious, sometimes it is mysterious. But it is always there - rotation, turning, by its very definition, turns around a center point. And no matter how big the thing is that is turning, the center point is vanishingly small. In fact, it is so small, it ultimately cannot even be measured. The center point for a turning electron, is the same size as the turning point for a galaxy - a center point is a center point.



Humanity is also turning. Historically, consciously, energetically, physically, emotionally, intuitionally, it's turning. And so, by definition, it must have a center point. And as humanity is made up of people, the turning point is a person.



You can say that person is doing something. You can also say that person is doing nothing. You can say that person knows something. And you can also say that - by definition - that person knows nothing other than the humanity turning around him.



If you try to "stop" that person, and focus on that person to do so, you are ignorant - in the same way that someone is ignorant that tries to "stop" the hub of a wheel without taking into account the power of the turning wheel.



  To hate the hub while the wheel clobbers you is ridiculous. To attack the hub and expect the wheel to simply obey your attack, is equally ridiculous. And most ridiculous of all is to ignore the hub completely, while trying to move the spinning wheel.



Yet that is exactly what is being attempted against the nobody.




Why him? Ignorant question. What turns, has a center point. Every wheel has a hub. if it wasn't him, it would be someone else, but there would always be someone, because humanity turns. It turns through historical times as regularly as a clock, and each time, there is a hub. So in that sense, who the nobody is, is irrelevent, because there will always be someone who is the hub.



The problem is the refusal of those who want the wheel to keep turning the same way, to accept that the wheel is re-orienting itself in a new alignment. They see this as the loss of the power they've gained exploiting the wheel of humanity moving the way it has been, and so they seek to stop it from re-orienting itself. So they attack the hub, the nobody. But the entire wheel, plus the universe acting upon that wheel, protects that hub. Remember, the actual hub, the actual axis of rotation, is smaller than the smallest.



  So it's impossible to scorn the nobody enough to matter - he's already smaller than the most hateful scorn can reach. He's already profoundly cut off from the wheel, while being intimately linked with every part of it at the same time.



Because the hub is empty. It is the space around which the wheel turns. The wheel is utterly dependent upon it, but can never reach it, and never lose it - or it's no longer a wheel.



So smart people study the re-orientation of the wheel, not the hub. You can't do anything about the hub, and you can't do anything about the re-orientation of the wheel. But you CAN learn about the new alignment, instead of fighting it - or trying to burn down the wheel because it's not doing what you want.



PTB or not, everyone is part of that wheel, going where it goes. And all the HAARP and scalar tech and antigrav and GM foods and chemtrails and flouride and NLP and pension plans and jackboot dreams cannot even begin to touch what is happening to the wheel.


But unfortunately, denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

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 Quoting: Ignorant german 1368794




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what is constructive use of sexual energy? by what metrics do you define constructive? a destructive thing apears negative and painful while present, but often in the light of time, we see that the destruction provided fertle ground for new growth. construction and destruction should not be equated with good and bad or higher/lower.

but mostly i agree and well said.

motivation matters.

sexual energy is a tool and a force.

It's force is greater than a single human soul and cannot be denied. It can be over indulged in and suppressed and law demands consequences for those choices.
and also as a tool it may be used in many ways: for continued emergence of new human souls primarily, but also as an energy source to initiate certain vibrational modes: my guess is that sexual energy is the easiest 'mallet' (extreme emotional pain being another) with which to ring the kundalini.
it can also be used to manipulate and subjugate.

a tool for the using, guided by choice and subject to the rule of law.

"higher" and "lower" are misleading and even more so when adding value judgements to them (good and bad). They both depend on each other to exist. all actions and choices are a mixture of both.

is the conscious mind a 'higher' thing? are the illusionary/imaginary ideas it creates a 'higher' function?

i say yes it is.

Thru these illusions do we create patterns that are useful for guiding energy: visualisation is key to magik and so the conscious mind's ability to visualize is a primary tool along the path to wisdom.

but also this mind can create illusions that lead to suffering and ideas that inspire humans to kill.

i sujjest that the higher and lower are aspects of the same coin. deny either and you remain incomplete.


still: motivation/intention matters.

but its not what you think... its way more about letting go than anything else. and the service is not service to humankind, it is not 'selfless' service to human suffering.

service is service to God. allowing God to be expressed within oneself. letting go of ideas and listening to the devine within. trusting and allowing.

the actual expresion of dinity takes as many shapes as there are humans and may in fact include being a force of distruction. we are all incarnations of God and our greatest challengde and task is to discovery how that divinity should be expressed within us and realized as actions taken thru choice.

to be the vessel of your God surpasses any experience you can even imagine: and will almost certainly take a form that you can not predict.

each soul is given this opportunity.


almost none take it.



mores the pity
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9905909


for example this post of yours i find to be constructive in a degree of about 90%

i'll make some comments.

pertaining to form:
1. you have to be aware that words are only tools in expressing one's understanding of a matter. so it may happen that i use some terms (i.e. 'higher'/'lower' without completely explaining their use in context). more so when i use language communicating with someone with which i already developed some kind o middle ground.
2. it is better to not make assumptions about what another thinks, if it does not follow clearly from what he said. because, as it happens i agree that its more about letting go than anything else, and what i said in the prior post does not imply in any way that i think otherwise.

to content:
1. although consciousness is fixed at mental level in current stage of evolution, what we call the 'mind' is the arena where all energy centers have an outlet of manifestation. 'thoughts' give form to desires, emotions, values, abstract ideas alike. Various consequences derive from the mixture of ingredients present in one's mind.

2. to murder another is bad and evil. to cherish life is good. This is part of the Law. and there is nothing problematic in expressing the Law.

3. there is a hierarchy of greater beings. Each energy center is under the jurisdiction of such beings. God Most High indwells the crown chakra. The devas directing desires, are lesser beings in comparison to the God Most High. So there is 'lower' and 'higher'

4. of course what i said at 2&3 you agree based on what you already replied. Just that you probably have a tendency to find faults in others arguments. I'm not saying this is bad. Just pointing :)

thanks for your reply. it touches many things, and it would make a very nice thread to develop upon such matters
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So...

Are you all going to Come (alive) to Life ?

Will you see the 8 pointed star guiding your road in the Night while you'll trying to reach your Nobodies ?

Will you feel and see the eight energies spinning the wheels of your awaited reality ?

Will You ?

or

Want You ?




Nobody Will Fix You... but YOU !

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You can lead a horse to water, but it won't try to make you drink.

Humans are the smartest animal, and the most foolish.
Overstand, this isn't a sermon from the hill, but a 'Trespassers Will Be Shot' Sign.
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humans are so deep down the wrong path, they can´t even remember taking the wrong branch-off.

You can lead a horse to water, but it won't try to make you drink.

Humans are the smartest animal, and the most foolish.
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You can lead a horse to water, but it won't try to make you drink.

Humans are the smartest animal, and the most foolish.
 Quoting: NonAlignedEntity




I heard that before coming straight from the head horse riders mouth.hf

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink."

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humans are so deep down the wrong path, they can´t even remember taking the wrong branch-off.

You can lead a horse to water, but it won't try to make you drink.

Humans are the smartest animal, and the most foolish.
 Quoting: NonAlignedEntity

 Quoting: Artaius



Have faith in Humans.

They can always surprise you.

They all will remember some day how easy is to turn upside down and see all through different points of view.

They all will remember how to invert the W to obtain and M and invert it back again.

For some Water flow in Matter and some Make is for to Wake.

InSpire
ReSpire
DeSpire
ConSpire

Spir(e)it !


Be well... be wishing well !

hf

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the nobody is a creator.

what is he creating?




















































































you.
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The Nobody represents GOD the Father?
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Humans are capable of greatness.
I see it sometimes in their eyes, that which they don´t dare to recognize on their own.
I see what life did to them, that what´s holding back the love inside of them, they had to held back for so long.

I even see it inside of those, where the anger had won the battle over their hearts.

rose

Have faith in Humans.

They can always surprise you.

They all will remember some day how easy is to turn upside down and see all through different points of view.

They all will remember how to invert the W to obtain and M and invert it back again.

For some Water flow in Matter and some Make is for to Wake.

InSpire
ReSpire
DeSpire
ConSpire

Spir(e)it !


Be well... be wishing well !

hf
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[youtube] [link to youtu.be]
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The OP is just copying this movie. Watch the clip. You will see. A nine year old child imagined everything. We are all living inside the mind of a nine year old child, faced with an impossible choice. So he didn't decide. The Nobody is a nine-year old child.
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So, who are you to know this about him, OP?
 Quoting: Saptaparna

I have seen Him.

He did the impossible. I witnessed it. It was like prophecy, there were others there, they were like the forces of evil to the warrior or Christ. I couldn't believe it, but now I am awakened to the truth.

I always knew these subjects and looked for metaphysical truth, but apparently people exist already through and through with the knowledge and they do not have to be told.

I believe it is biblical. They said He could cast out a demon by speaking with empowerment into the body and mind of the possessed.

That sounds like many things, but if we factor in the possibility of higher dimensions, quantum mechanics, experiments like the double-slit experiment.

Extra-dimensional universes, timelines, etc etc.

It would then seem that it could be possible that a person could activate their mind to work with their body, to utilize cosmic information and balance of energy, to both heal and inform or awaken the central nervous system of those around.

In a very real and biological sense.

I have studied and looked for these things my whole life and I believe I was given the gift of getting to witness this first hand!

It knocked me off my feet and I recovered just now!
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What "things" can we do to accomplish what needs be done/known? What path? A religion? A way of life? Meditation? Veganism?? What do you say? I agree with you about LOVE
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[youtube] [link to youtu.be]
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The OP is just copying this movie. Watch the clip. You will see. A nine year old child imagined everything. We are all living inside the mind of a nine year old child, faced with an impossible choice. So he didn't decide. The Nobody is a nine-year old child.
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I noticed that aswell as I've watched the movie once. Regardless, meaning can be found on OP's post. wink
- ? Nus.

-You Hold Witness I Witness

As if he could, by himself, say:
_Alive, therefore life itself.
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what is constructive use of sexual energy? by what metrics do you define constructive? a destructive thing apears negative and painful while present, but often in the light of time, we see that the destruction provided fertle ground for new growth. construction and destruction should not be equated with good and bad or higher/lower.

but mostly i agree and well said.

motivation matters.

sexual energy is a tool and a force.

It's force is greater than a single human soul and cannot be denied. It can be over indulged in and suppressed and law demands consequences for those choices.
and also as a tool it may be used in many ways: for continued emergence of new human souls primarily, but also as an energy source to initiate certain vibrational modes: my guess is that sexual energy is the easiest 'mallet' (extreme emotional pain being another) with which to ring the kundalini.
it can also be used to manipulate and subjugate.

a tool for the using, guided by choice and subject to the rule of law.

"higher" and "lower" are misleading and even more so when adding value judgements to them (good and bad). They both depend on each other to exist. all actions and choices are a mixture of both.

is the conscious mind a 'higher' thing? are the illusionary/imaginary ideas it creates a 'higher' function?

i say yes it is.

Thru these illusions do we create patterns that are useful for guiding energy: visualisation is key to magik and so the conscious mind's ability to visualize is a primary tool along the path to wisdom.

but also this mind can create illusions that lead to suffering and ideas that inspire humans to kill.

i sujjest that the higher and lower are aspects of the same coin. deny either and you remain incomplete.


still: motivation/intention matters.

but its not what you think... its way more about letting go than anything else. and the service is not service to humankind, it is not 'selfless' service to human suffering.

service is service to God. allowing God to be expressed within oneself. letting go of ideas and listening to the devine within. trusting and allowing.

the actual expresion of dinity takes as many shapes as there are humans and may in fact include being a force of distruction. we are all incarnations of God and our greatest challengde and task is to discovery how that divinity should be expressed within us and realized as actions taken thru choice.

to be the vessel of your God surpasses any experience you can even imagine: and will almost certainly take a form that you can not predict.

each soul is given this opportunity.


almost none take it.



mores the pity
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9905909


for example this post of yours i find to be constructive in a degree of about 90%

i'll make some comments.

pertaining to form:
1. you have to be aware that words are only tools in expressing one's understanding of a matter. so it may happen that i use some terms (i.e. 'higher'/'lower' without completely explaining their use in context). more so when i use language communicating with someone with which i already developed some kind o middle ground.
2. it is better to not make assumptions about what another thinks, if it does not follow clearly from what he said. because, as it happens i agree that its more about letting go than anything else, and what i said in the prior post does not imply in any way that i think otherwise.

to content:
1. although consciousness is fixed at mental level in current stage of evolution, what we call the 'mind' is the arena where all energy centers have an outlet of manifestation. 'thoughts' give form to desires, emotions, values, abstract ideas alike. Various consequences derive from the mixture of ingredients present in one's mind.

2. to murder another is bad and evil. to cherish life is good. This is part of the Law. and there is nothing problematic in expressing the Law.

3. there is a hierarchy of greater beings. Each energy center is under the jurisdiction of such beings. God Most High indwells the crown chakra. The devas directing desires, are lesser beings in comparison to the God Most High. So there is 'lower' and 'higher'

4. of course what i said at 2&3 you agree based on what you already replied. Just that you probably have a tendency to find faults in others arguments. I'm not saying this is bad. Just pointing :)

thanks for your reply. it touches many things, and it would make a very nice thread to develop upon such matters
 Quoting: andreidita


nice post.

90%, eh? ok :D


i like this dialog. here's some more:

1a: heard. mutually agreed upon definitions are the starting place and their lack sows much discord.

2a: didn't say it did: was just letting my fingers do the talking at that point. assumptions = necessary. better to state them first, i suppose: so laborious tho. and i acknowledge that mine can be incorrect: i remain open to error checking.

1b: i would say that desires, abstract ideas and emotions give rise to thoughts, not the other way around. chicken egg thingy. thoughts come last in the chain of mind function. they are the result not the initiator. this is the source of one of the biggest conceptual misunderstanings of our age. the conscious mind is not in the navigator's chair as it turns out.

2b: no. law says nothing of the kind. the law defines limits and demands karma/consequence (not always bad). good and bad are merely points of view. killing only = murder from a particular perspective. some malignancy must be eradicate:, killed. is this murder?
some humans are white blood cells: honor them, we must.
we do not express law. we are subject to it. as is God (this, in fact, is part of the current struggle). Each level can express the divinity of the higher greater scale... i suppose to continue further here, we must first define God or at least what we mean when we use the word "God". The rules are simple. the expression: not so much.

3b: In my opinion, the God *most* high is so far beyond my conceptual time scale perception and interaction that He/She/It matters not to me. In my conceptual frame work, there are many Gods. Not just the horizontal ones (ie angels of our God and the many minds that exist within each human soul's mind : remember. made in His/Her own image? which means subject to the same rules and laws)but vertical scaler Gods, each one the result of all the smaller scale Gods 'bellow'.
My God is just one scale up from me, the mind that i/we are a part of. And while this God is greater than me, than all of us, She is still subject to the same Law as i am, is the result of the same Rules, and is further a part of an even larger mind, existing on larger time scales: that's Her business tho.... not mine.

The heirachy is one of necessity, not value or importance. The capstone of a pyramid *must* have its wide base to rest firmly upon. It cannot exist without its base, in fact. So which is 'more important': the base or the capstone?
each capstone perceives the singular but is in fact comprised of the multitude, each finer point also a capstone for an even smaller pyramid.

...

whew: fingers takin' a stroll again.....


4b: i see the pointing and acknowledge it. i confess that different/opposing viewpoints create more interesting dialog to me: hone the sword, as it were.


good stuff, Maynerd
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So...

Are you all going to Come (alive) to Life ?

Will you see the 8 pointed star guiding your road in the Night while you'll trying to reach your Nobodies ?

Will you feel and see the eight energies spinning the wheels of your awaited reality ?

Will You ?

or

Want You ?




Nobody Will Fix You... but YOU !

hf
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By 8 pointed star, do you mean the 'Seal of Melchizedek' or are you speaking more along the lines of the 8 spoked Dharma Wheel ?

Mormon Site:
[link to sealofmelchizedek.com]

Dharma Wheel
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

-Just Curious

peace
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OP post is magnificent.

Last Edited by Plane on 11/18/2012 04:28 PM
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nice post.

90%, eh? ok :D


i like this dialog. here's some more:

1a: heard. mutually agreed upon definitions are the starting place and their lack sows much discord.

2a: didn't say it did: was just letting my fingers do the talking at that point. assumptions = necessary. better to state them first, i suppose: so laborious tho. and i acknowledge that mine can be incorrect: i remain open to error checking.

1b: i would say that desires, abstract ideas and emotions give rise to thoughts, not the other way around. chicken egg thingy. thoughts come last in the chain of mind function. they are the result not the initiator. this is the source of one of the biggest conceptual misunderstanings of our age. the conscious mind is not in the navigator's chair as it turns out.

2b: no. law says nothing of the kind. the law defines limits and demands karma/consequence (not always bad). good and bad are merely points of view. killing only = murder from a particular perspective. some malignancy must be eradicate:, killed. is this murder?
some humans are white blood cells: honor them, we must.
we do not express law. we are subject to it. as is God (this, in fact, is part of the current struggle). Each level can express the divinity of the higher greater scale... i suppose to continue further here, we must first define God or at least what we mean when we use the word "God". The rules are simple. the expression: not so much.

3b: In my opinion, the God *most* high is so far beyond my conceptual time scale perception and interaction that He/She/It matters not to me. In my conceptual frame work, there are many Gods. Not just the horizontal ones (ie angels of our God and the many minds that exist within each human soul's mind : remember. made in His/Her own image? which means subject to the same rules and laws)but vertical scaler Gods, each one the result of all the smaller scale Gods 'bellow'.
My God is just one scale up from me, the mind that i/we are a part of. And while this God is greater than me, than all of us, She is still subject to the same Law as i am, is the result of the same Rules, and is further a part of an even larger mind, existing on larger time scales: that's Her business tho.... not mine.

The heirachy is one of necessity, not value or importance. The capstone of a pyramid *must* have its wide base to rest firmly upon. It cannot exist without its base, in fact. So which is 'more important': the base or the capstone?
each capstone perceives the singular but is in fact comprised of the multitude, each finer point also a capstone for an even smaller pyramid.

...

whew: fingers takin' a stroll again.....


4b: i see the pointing and acknowledge it. i confess that different/opposing viewpoints create more interesting dialog to me: hone the sword, as it were.


good stuff, Maynerd
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1b totally agree that thoughts comes last and the rest

3b about gods. i started from a subjective understanding of the world, it took me about 20 years to come to terms with the objective side of life.
subjectivity is still the base concerning Absolute terms (god most high etc - and i hold the same position you spelled)
what i accepted is that universe is intelligent. and as such, the parts of the universe known i take them to be living beings/spirits
planets, stars, galaxies are living entities/spirits
species are spirits, humanity is spirit, nations etc

relative to humanity, god most high is the spirit of the sun
after all without him there would be no life.
Law itself as applied on earth (karma) is under the jurisdiction of the Spirit of Saturn (they are called the role of karma)

classical archetypes of planetary deities are very much true expression of the role of those spirits in the evolution of humanity. and this i tell after around 7 years of observing astrological correlations between those archetypes and psychological behaviors.

As such Law can be expressed in life here as well as Love, Intelligence etc. After all there is no society without having people in the office of applying the Law
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classical archetypes of planetary deities are very much true expression of the role of those spirits in the evolution of humanity. and this i tell after around 7 years of observing astrological correlations between those archetypes and psychological behaviors.

As such Law can be expressed in life here as well as Love, Intelligence etc. After all there is no society without having people in the office of applying the Law
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planetary deities affect humanity = yes. Whether to directly affect our evolution or to live their own life with us just experiencing the collateral effect, i don't know.

certainly the specific evolution of humanity is not the 'goal'. We simply are not that important, or no more important than all the other data processing life on earth and elsewhere.

no. i think we are part of a greater system that is evolving and we along side it.

the deities change too. we are much more an expression of that evolution/development than the result of some planetary breeding experiment.

the universe is intelligent = yes.

Weather Papa Sol is most high father or simply brotherly Papa energy i don't know.

why does it matter?

again: in my opinion law is not expressed. Life is expressed. Law gives it a framework to express itself upon.

Law is not administered and need not be policed.

There is no gravity police. It just is Law.

you are mistaking the 'tanicity' of satern with Law, i suspect.
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planetary deities affect humanity = yes. Whether to directly affect our evolution or to live their own life with us just experiencing the collateral effect, i don't know.

certainly the specific evolution of humanity is not the 'goal'. We simply are not that important, or no more important than all the other data processing life on earth and elsewhere.

no. i think we are part of a greater system that is evolving and we along side it.

the deities change too. we are much more an expression of that evolution/development than the result of some planetary breeding experiment.

the universe is intelligent = yes.

Weather Papa Sol is most high father or simply brotherly Papa energy i don't know.

why does it matter?

again: in my opinion law is not expressed. Life is expressed. Law gives it a framework to express itself upon.

Law is not administered and need not be policed.

There is no gravity police. It just is Law.

you are mistaking the 'tanicity' of satern with Law, i suspect.
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at the level you talk about laws it is the framework yes.

but understanding the framework is part of the evolution of consciousness, so that is why i was referring to expressing law

the specific evolution of humanity is certainly not the 'goal' at a grand scale. There is goal-fitness, for any level there are goals fitting in the larger picture.

i agree that we are an evolution in consciousness/spirit not some breeding experiment.

so in short, all you say is correct and i agree with it.

just that the difference is that i perceive your abstract mental world-view from inside, after i calibrate through a few meaningful responses.
and you take the words i use and transpose them in you world-view and object or agree accordingly to how they fit there :)

i did not say it matters what is the exact relationship between us and Sol :)

to be honest, i enjoy these discussions, but none of them really matter.
they used to, when i still yearned to understand the missing link, and i searched all the corridors of the mind's labyrinth.

because, in essence i am a point of consciousness first and foremost.
soul, body, thoughts, feelings and all rest are all secondary.

it took me 29 years to reconnect consciously with the Source. and it was pretty frustrating, being cut off.
but now it's done.
And the Great Unknown waits after i finish here.
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i spend time here on this forum, to pick soul frequencies and do some soul empowerment.

unfortunately most of them are completely cut off from the outside world, locked down in their own bubble of perception, so if i feel a good soul trapped inside, i mirror their bubble and give them a little love. like blowing some wind in the sails.
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i spend time here on this forum, to pick soul frequencies and do some soul empowerment.

unfortunately most of them are completely cut off from the outside world, locked down in their own bubble of perception, so if i feel a good soul trapped inside, i mirror their bubble and give them a little love. like blowing some wind in the sails.
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without wind in the sails
a soul can wither away;
like a discolored broken leaf,
dissected and carried in pieces
by an infinite line of laborious ants.
ending as food in the foretold empire
of deadweight disposal.

a kind word at
the right time.
can save a heart
from committing a crime.
hf

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