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Whoops! Study Accidentally Finds Chemotherapy Makes Cancer Far Worse

 
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This is already taken down on Yahoo but still available.

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This is BIG.
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...The result paves the way for research into new, improved treatment, said Nelson.

"For example, an antibody to WNT16B, given with chemotherapy, may improve responses (kill more tumor cells)," he said in an email exchange.

"Alternatively, it may be possible to use smaller, less toxic doses of therapy."...


And yet they still want to use chemo?!!

hf rockon
 Quoting: MzTreeChick


Right! And just who's going to volunteer to be the tweaked chemo session guinea pig?

I imagine that people working for companies which specialize in chemo"therapy" are reaching for their adult diapers.
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Certain kinds of cancer have absolutely no cure whatsoever, but what are you going to tell the patients? Most of them don't want to face the reality that they have just been told they are going to die. So you send them to the oncologists and they go thru their courses of etoposide and cisplatin, etc. and lose their hair and get sick and need blood transfusions etc. and make the oncologists a lot of money, and then they come back to their primary care doctor for pain medicines and to be set up with hospice nursing care at home so they can finally die.
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Bleak, but true.
"When tyrants tremble in their fear, and hear their death knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near, how can I keep from singing"

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Doesn't suprise me at all. I have thought this for years. I have never understood the animosity towards "alternative" medical care.

Yes, I understand you didn't learn this in medical school. Who cares? Most doctors can tell you what are the mainstream treatments for "conditions" but without looking at a PDR they cannot tell you the mechansism of action or what other organs or systems they can potentionally harm. They just take it as it is accepted and that's it.

Worse yet, they fully believe the pharm reps to educate them on the newest drugs. Scary.

Let's look at what cancer is. Uncontrolled cell growth. They are normal cells gone wild. That's how they can tell from testing cells where the cancer originated from. Renal, Lung, Bone, etc...

So the Chemo just kills ALL new cell growth through radiation. Damaging ALL cells in the body. That leads to reason that if you can survive the chemo that your future cells have been potentially damaged to become cancerous.

The 5 year survival rate is a joke. Ok, so pancreatic cells usually regenerate after a year but then bone cells usually take between 25 and 30 years. So it would be really easy to say, yes, we cured your cancer. This "new' cancer is just that a "new" cancer. Or, you know your prone to cancer.

Instead of admiting that the accepted treatment is riddled with more known cancer causing agent. Chemo, radiation, CT scans just to name a few.

Remember a lot of people are concerned in another arena about the airport scans and cancer. Use your brain, just because they are wearing a white jacket with the guise of helping you, you still need to use your brain.
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Blaming the Doctors and accusing them of torture is sick and your a compleat Asshole for that statment!!
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My neurologist says that, and I quote "Medical science has perfected the ability to prolong the dying process"

Not prolong life,but prolong the act of death. Its what they do now.
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It seems a chinese plant, known as the ‘thunder god vine’ or lei gong teng can help fight tumours.

A little-known plant with a truly bizarre name is now making headlines as a cancer killer, with the compound of the plant vanishing tumors in mice with pancreatic cancer. Known as the ‘thunder god vine’ or lei gong teng, the Chinese plant is actually integrated into Chinese medicine and has been used for ages in remedying a number of conditions including rheumatoid arthritis.

According to the new research out of the University of Minnesota’s Masonic Cancer Center, the thunder god plant compound led to no signs of tumors after a 40 day period — even after discontinuing the treatment. Published in the journal Science Translational Medicine and funded by the National Institutes of Health, even the scientists working on the project were stunned by the anti-cancer properties of the compound. Known to contain something known as triptolide, which has been identified as a cancer fighter in previous research, it is thought to be the key component that may be responsible for the anti-tumor capabilities.
Study leader and vice chairman of research at the Cancer Center explained to Bloomberg how he was blown away by the effects of the simple plant:
“This drug is just unbelievably potent in killing tumor cells,” he said.
[link to www.wakingtimes.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8921201


Look into vitamin D. Vitamin D is a potent cancer fighter. Ever wonder why we get it from the sun which is totally different than getting mineral and vitamins from food? I know this person that had stage 4 cancer and was taking 10,000 IU of vitamin D (vs federal guideline of only 600 IU a day) and she beat it. Her doctors were apparently amazed how healthy she was when they did exploratory surgery to look for remaining tumors after chemotherapy...

[link to www.vitamindcouncil.org]
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Back in the days with no modern day chemo or anything, cancer was pretty much a death sentence. Just talk to your old family members or anyone else who saw those times when surgery was basically all that could be done. While the number of new cases has increased, it is a statistical fact that death rates from cancer have gone down, survival rates up. Oh yeah, but GLP doesn't believe in any statistics unless they're published by that one raging moron or some other not-so-official source...
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No offense, OP, but:

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Back in the days with no modern day chemo or anything, cancer was pretty much a death sentence. Just talk to your old family members or anyone else who saw those times when surgery was basically all that could be done. While the number of new cases has increased, it is a statistical fact that death rates from cancer have gone down, survival rates up. Oh yeah, but GLP doesn't believe in any statistics unless they're published by that one raging moron or some other not-so-official source...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12744807


People are being treated for cancers that are not a death sentence; that's why it appears that 'survival rates' have gone up. But keep believing and buying big Pharma's lies, if that's what keeps your glasses rosy. I'd rather look at the world through clear lenses.
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No problem. Just send more money to the American butcher society.
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Back in the days with no modern day chemo or anything, cancer was pretty much a death sentence. Just talk to your old family members or anyone else who saw those times when surgery was basically all that could be done. While the number of new cases has increased, it is a statistical fact that death rates from cancer have gone down, survival rates up. Oh yeah, but GLP doesn't believe in any statistics unless they're published by that one raging moron or some other not-so-official source...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12744807


People are being treated for cancers that are not a death sentence; that's why it appears that 'survival rates' have gone up. But keep believing and buying big Pharma's lies, if that's what keeps your glasses rosy. I'd rather look at the world through clear lenses.
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Learn the difference between cancer and a tumor.
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When they give you the cure rate of any specific cancer - let's say testicular is 98% cured - sounds great! What they don't tell you about are the "side effects" of the cure. You'll die from another cancer. But the initial cure rate isn't effected.

Great game, milks money every which way and kills ya anyway, great game.

oh and yes, I do know this from family experience. just a little miffed still.
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Cured is considered 5 years cancer free. If you die 1 day after that, you are still counted as cured. LOL What a fucking joke, just to keep their multibillion dollar torture machine going. If cancer was cured tomorrow and everyone knew about it, the medical industrial complex would go belly up within days.
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A team of researchers looking into why cancer cells are so resilient accidentally stumbled upon a far more important discovery. While conducting their research, the team discovered that chemotherapy actually heavily damages healthy cells and subsequently triggers them to release a protein that sustains and fuels tumor growth. Beyond that, it even makes the tumor highly resistant to future treatment.

Read more: [link to naturalsociety.com]
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<snip>It's one of the only cancers that have visible symptoms.
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i beg your pardon ? !
 Quoting: truth 10870676


You usually can't see cancer. Inflammatory breast cancer has very visible symptoms such as redness, inflammation, skin changes. Chemo reduced those symptoms significantly before a mastectomy was preformed.
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Blaming the Doctors and accusing them of torture is sick and your a compleat Asshole for that statment!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11360402


My neurologist says that, and I quote "Medical science has perfected the ability to prolong the dying process"

Not prolong life,but prolong the act of death. Its what they do now.
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


The entire concept of profiting from the sick and dying has no place in a civilized culture.
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Back in the days with no modern day chemo or anything, cancer was pretty much a death sentence. Just talk to your old family members or anyone else who saw those times when surgery was basically all that could be done. While the number of new cases has increased, it is a statistical fact that death rates from cancer have gone down, survival rates up. Oh yeah, but GLP doesn't believe in any statistics unless they're published by that one raging moron or some other not-so-official source...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12744807


People are being treated for cancers that are not a death sentence; that's why it appears that 'survival rates' have gone up. But keep believing and buying big Pharma's lies, if that's what keeps your glasses rosy. I'd rather look at the world through clear lenses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24279842


Learn the difference between cancer and a tumor.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12744807


Tumors are treated the same way as if you had cancer, they want to cut it out immediately. Colon polyps are their favorite surgery around here in my area. They almost always come back in a year or 2. The patient is told that if they don't cut that thing out right now it will turn into cancer within a year. I'm glad the docs are psychics, too.

There are 3 cancer treatments available in the U.S., cut it out, chemo it out or radiate it out or all 3. Nutrition is illegal here for treatment of cancer. That's why you have to go to Mexico to check into the Gerson Clinic.

Nutrition is not considered as part of cancer treatment here. People with cancer are fed the worst crap imaginable in hospitals when they are sick.
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A team of researchers looking into why cancer cells are so resilient accidentally stumbled upon a far more important discovery. While conducting their research, the team discovered that chemotherapy actually heavily damages healthy cells and subsequently triggers them to release a protein that sustains and fuels tumor growth. Beyond that, it even makes the tumor highly resistant to future treatment.

Read more: [link to naturalsociety.com]
 Quoting: AC 8921201

<snip>It's one of the only cancers that have visible symptoms.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27730197


i beg your pardon ? !
 Quoting: truth 10870676


You usually can't see cancer. Inflammatory breast cancer has very visible symptoms such as redness, inflammation, skin changes. Chemo reduced those symptoms significantly before a mastectomy was preformed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27730197


Why bother with chemo if they're going to cut off your tit anyway? More money?
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Vitamin D cures cancer. Chemo does not.
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+1

Also, vitamin (really a hormone) D3 is safe in massive quantities.
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Vitamin B17 is the most effective cure. And it is totally natural.

That is why most forms of it have been banned is the US.

The medical community and drug companies cannot have you cured of anything. They would lose money.
 Quoting: Passin' Through


Vitamin B17 will not Cure Cancer.

Vitamin B17 is not banned in the US

There aren't different forms of vitamin B17

Next..putin
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Its that mentality that cause people to rush to man-made treatments like chemo, surgical removal,etc. The body is better equipt and wiser when it comes to removing cancer, If we get out of the way. Fasting,B17(found in seeds),diet,exercise,vitamin D,etc.
pdot
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Blaming the Doctors and accusing them of torture is sick and your a compleat Asshole for that statment!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11360402


My neurologist says that, and I quote "Medical science has perfected the ability to prolong the dying process"

Not prolong life,but prolong the act of death. Its what they do now.
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


The entire concept of profiting from the sick and dying has no place in a civilized culture.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11508444


So what you would like was that the doctors told their patients with cancer (or any other leathal disease) that "oh yeah, we do have chemo and other treatments which could give you a year or maybe two but we feel it's disgusting to make any profit so we're not giving you anything at all. Feel free to eat a bunch of carrots and hope that you have a miracle and survive for just one more month"?

If you're 18 (even younger in some countries) then no-one's forcing you to get any treatment for anything at all if you don't trust chemo etc. and don't want pharmaceutical companies to make any profit from you.

I'm not saying the current cancer treatments are perfect and yes they do have ill effects. We need more research and hopefully one day we understand cancer perfectly and the survival rates would rise to at least 80%. However, even the current treatments give you hope even with the worst types of cancer, something you really didn't have back in the 19th and earlier or early 20th century.
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Its a real shame what some wouldn't do for a few extra bucks.
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Back in the days with no modern day chemo or anything, cancer was pretty much a death sentence. Just talk to your old family members or anyone else who saw those times when surgery was basically all that could be done. While the number of new cases has increased, it is a statistical fact that death rates from cancer have gone down, survival rates up. Oh yeah, but GLP doesn't believe in any statistics unless they're published by that one raging moron or some other not-so-official source...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12744807


People are being treated for cancers that are not a death sentence; that's why it appears that 'survival rates' have gone up. But keep believing and buying big Pharma's lies, if that's what keeps your glasses rosy. I'd rather look at the world through clear lenses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24279842


Learn the difference between cancer and a tumor.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12744807


Tumors are treated the same way as if you had cancer, they want to cut it out immediately. Colon polyps are their favorite surgery around here in my area. They almost always come back in a year or 2. The patient is told that if they don't cut that thing out right now it will turn into cancer within a year. I'm glad the docs are psychics, too.

There are 3 cancer treatments available in the U.S., cut it out, chemo it out or radiate it out or all 3. Nutrition is illegal here for treatment of cancer. That's why you have to go to Mexico to check into the Gerson Clinic.

Nutrition is not considered as part of cancer treatment here. People with cancer are fed the worst crap imaginable in hospitals when they are sick.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17851333

I know how tumors are treated and I don't agree with the docs who want to use chemo etc. for all tumors imaginable. Anyways, I was talking about CANCER and its treatments and pointing out that there is a significant difference between a tumor and cancer.
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I told you years ago.

There is no such thing.

It's called population control.
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If you have not done so already, learn about iodine and it's role in preventing/curing cancer. I started the thread below after learning about iodine and having my eyes opened to things I never would have imagined to be true. This information blew my mind.

Thread: IODINE - What they DON'T tell us about this MIRACLE nutrient! UNBELIEVABLE!
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They are doing that to enforce cancer!

It is population control.

The dr.'s know it, are briefed and paid to sell only their drugs.

It is a game.

They all have a special sexy, place in Hell, that I have built for them in the name of the Lord.
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My grandfather was diagnosed with liver and lung cancer. They gave him 6 months at the most and that was with radiation and chemo. He made the decision to forgo both because he didn't want to spend his last months weak and sick from the treatments. He ended up living four more years. Very good years at that. The only thing he did was go to the local pharmacy for a weekly vitamin b shot. I don't know if the vitamin shot really did anything to help or if it was a placebo effect. He thought it helped and that is all that matters. His doctors were floored he was doing so well with no treatment. I fully believe if he had done the treatments he would have only lasted the 6 months they originally gave him.
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I'm convinced you can have cancer and never know it and recover just fine on your own without any clue that you ever had cancer.

once the doctors get ahold of you, good luck.

Stay away from them and their diagnoses and their drugs!
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Amen to this. The more I'm around doctors, the more I realize that they don't know their ass from their elbow. The amazing thing is that (in most cases) they sincerely believe that they have a clue. Why are humans so easily brainwashed?
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"Meanwhile, dirt cheap substances like turmeric and ginger have consistently been found to effectively shrink tumors and combat the spread of cancer. "

This is the truth.

"The cancer drugs were found to make tumors ‘metasize’ and grow massively in size after consumption. As a result, the drugs killed the patients more quickly."

Everyone rated it down on WOT web rating.

They are all insane and want everyone to have poisons.

They all blindly believe FOX NEWS (even though mainstream media revealed this too), yet they have no otherwise reason to believe.

Pure, brainwashed scum (sorry), that is literally killing the Earth by ignorance.
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What is this ?

Juicy stuff !!!

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Doctors are only experimental.


Yes.
Guinea pigs, if you will.
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As a cancer survivor, more than fifteen years ago, I never even let them talk about chemotherapy. I walked out and reworked my diet and exercise, included meditation everyday and so far so good. IMHO cancer doctors are a bunch of greedy, ignorant bastards as well as the drug companies behind them.
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You People Just Can't Accept the Fact that People Die,So you Blame it on the Doctors and the Chemo.

I see it every day.
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Sometimes there are worse things than death, you have lived a very blessed life if you can not understand this.



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You are so right.hf
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+1

Also, vitamin (really a hormone) D3 is safe in massive quantities.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 988822


Vitamin B17 is the most effective cure. And it is totally natural.

That is why most forms of it have been banned is the US.

The medical community and drug companies cannot have you cured of anything. They would lose money.
 Quoting: Passin' Through


Vitamin B17 will not Cure Cancer.

Vitamin B17 is not banned in the US

There aren't different forms of vitamin B17

Next..putin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11360402


Its that mentality that cause people to rush to man-made treatments like chemo, surgical removal,etc. The body is better equipt and wiser when it comes to removing cancer, If we get out of the way. Fasting,B17(found in seeds),diet,exercise,vitamin D,etc.
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