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redrosie User ID: 20601156 United States 11/16/2012 08:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Michelle Obama's way of preventing fat children .. Quoting: redrosie This sucks .. there is a hostess store near me that sells all kinds of bread products, that are cheap and fresh .. baked in the store I think .. two friends also sold out their other trucks and runs, to buy into and work for hostess .. I take it they will, or have already lost their jobs .. Yeah, there is one in the Bronx that I've been going to for years..it's like an end of an era :( :) .. That is still there? .. I use to walk there from Jamaica Ave .. thanks for the good memories!! .... 22426221213 .... |
Rey Rogers User ID: 27552381 Spain 11/16/2012 08:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well stupid fucking unions are to thank for that Quoting: ^TrInItY^ you cannot strong arm a company into paying you what it doesn't fucking have! ATLAS IS SHRUGGING.....MORE TO COME. Ayn Rand's reality is going mainstream... Time field researcher Dr David Anderson and his websites are missing. Why? Please discuss. Thread: Spacetime manipulation and the Dr David Anderson Enigma: Opening the road to time travel and limitless energy |
JackedVegan User ID: 9066073 United States 11/16/2012 08:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: JackedVegan Awww, poor baby can't come up with a retort... Come on, how do you justify their upper management "earning" $125K PER FUCKING MONTH??? You should be the "Poster Child" for Natural Selection....retort? Man some of you Morans have NO Clue, do you? Once again, you can't answer the question..typical economic illiterate. Justify management earning $125K PER MONTH WHILST IN BANKRUPTCY....GO! Justify your unemployed ass's.....Occutard! LOL! You see, personal attacks won't work on me, fuckface. I earn almost twice a year what the Hostess management earned per week...so I'm doing just fine, and living large. However, I'm not doing it by fucking over piddly line workers who ALREADY TOOK MASSIVE CUTS JUST 3 YEARS AGO, like the Hostess management did. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16782306 United States 11/16/2012 08:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: JackedVegan So trying to keep management in-check is irrational? Who are you, David Rockefeller? No I am not David Rockefeller, just someone who generally buys into the core assumption of microeconomics -- that each individual is rational if they maximize their own individual expected utility. This means no bonus points for reducing someone else's (i.e. Schadenfreude.) But it probably didn't matter, it seems likely that this management was hired and paid to shut the company down. Obamacare in, Hostess out! This "JackVegan" character is EXACTLY why correcting the Demographic imbalance of this country is necessary. "Overall, Hostess lost $341 million in fiscal 2011, 2½ times the loss of the prior year -- and by early 2012, primarily because of burgeoning interest obligations, its debt had grown to about $860 million. As revenue declined, the company continued to burn cash -- in the second half of 2011, the rate was $2 million a week. The liquidity crunch forced Ripplewood in the early spring of 2011 to pump in $40 million more in return for more equity as well as debt that was subordinate to that held by Silver Point and Monarch. In August -- to save a company teetering on the edge of fiscal calamity and forced liquidation -- Silver Point, Monarch, and the group of other lenders put up an additional $30 million to see if a negotiated turnaround was possible." LOL!! So, dumbass, you agree with burning good money to chase bad money like this?? Even though Hostess cut union workers bennies and wages DRASTICALLY just 3 years ago, the management decided to borrow $30 MILLION MORE, while STILL PAYING MANAGEMENT $125k PER MONTH! All while Bankrupt!! And you say the workers are the problem? When was the last time a union created a JOB? NUFF SAID |
AdHocBOHICA User ID: 19723065 United States 11/16/2012 08:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hostess sales have been declining for a while. These so called nutritionists and doctors 'claim' that junk food is not good for you and the public buys into this. Quoting: JohnC 19603600 I blame Obama. And Bush. And Clinton. And the other Bush. When I was a kid, and that was a very long time ago, I knew that Hostess was puffed-up chemicals, and Tastykake was real butter and eggs and stuff. Hostess is junk food, it is the leading example of it. Did you have a CHOICE to eat it or NOT eat it? “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ~Seneca PS: I Stole this from another member.... ;) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27304459 United States 11/16/2012 08:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: JackedVegan So trying to keep management in-check is irrational? Who are you, David Rockefeller? No I am not David Rockefeller, just someone who generally buys into the core assumption of microeconomics -- that each individual is rational if they maximize their own individual expected utility. This means no bonus points for reducing someone else's (i.e. Schadenfreude.) But it probably didn't matter, it seems likely that this management was hired and paid to shut the company down. Obamacare in, Hostess out! This "JackVegan" character is EXACTLY why correcting the Demographic imbalance of this country is necessary. "Overall, Hostess lost $341 million in fiscal 2011, 2½ times the loss of the prior year -- and by early 2012, primarily because of burgeoning interest obligations, its debt had grown to about $860 million. As revenue declined, the company continued to burn cash -- in the second half of 2011, the rate was $2 million a week. The liquidity crunch forced Ripplewood in the early spring of 2011 to pump in $40 million more in return for more equity as well as debt that was subordinate to that held by Silver Point and Monarch. In August -- to save a company teetering on the edge of fiscal calamity and forced liquidation -- Silver Point, Monarch, and the group of other lenders put up an additional $30 million to see if a negotiated turnaround was possible." LOL!! So, dumbass, you agree with burning good money to chase bad money like this?? Even though Hostess cut union workers bennies and wages DRASTICALLY just 3 years ago, the management decided to borrow $30 MILLION MORE, while STILL PAYING MANAGEMENT $125k PER MONTH! All while Bankrupt!! And you say the workers are the problem? Thank you. You have proved convincingly that the owners could have had no other goal than to shut the company down. Therefore they hired management with the task of making it happen. It's cheaper and easier if the workers strike themselves out of a job, and that is what was accomplished. The owners think the money paid to management was worth it to achieve their goal so cleanly. Now, why would owners suddenly want to close the business? What has changed recently? I suspect Obamacare. Forward! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23761243 United States 11/16/2012 08:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no doubt that the excutives are making way too much money but at the same time if your working the line at Hostess there a few things that need to be pointed out. Quoting: jonesin A. Your life dreams probably didnt pan out. 2. You are a unskilled employee, anyone could perform your job with little to no training. 4. If your making anything over 12 bucks an hour w/benefits you should keep your fucking mouth shut,clock in and do your job. If you wanna make more money work harder than the next person, this world doesnt owe you shit! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27304459 United States 11/16/2012 08:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hostess sales have been declining for a while. These so called nutritionists and doctors 'claim' that junk food is not good for you and the public buys into this. Quoting: JohnC 19603600 I blame Obama. And Bush. And Clinton. And the other Bush. When I was a kid, and that was a very long time ago, I knew that Hostess was puffed-up chemicals, and Tastykake was real butter and eggs and stuff. Hostess is junk food, it is the leading example of it. Did you have a CHOICE to eat it or NOT eat it? Yes, and fortunately I had the choice to eat all those yummy Tastykakes too! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11995984 United States 11/16/2012 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well stupid fucking unions are to thank for that Quoting: ^TrInItY^ you cannot strong arm a company into paying you what it doesn't fucking have! wait until NO companies can make food products...this will put farmers out of business LOL mass starvation because of corporations that went union..perfect tool for mass depopulation! |
JackedVegan User ID: 9066073 United States 11/16/2012 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27304459 No I am not David Rockefeller, just someone who generally buys into the core assumption of microeconomics -- that each individual is rational if they maximize their own individual expected utility. This means no bonus points for reducing someone else's (i.e. Schadenfreude.) But it probably didn't matter, it seems likely that this management was hired and paid to shut the company down. Obamacare in, Hostess out! This "JackVegan" character is EXACTLY why correcting the Demographic imbalance of this country is necessary. "Overall, Hostess lost $341 million in fiscal 2011, 2½ times the loss of the prior year -- and by early 2012, primarily because of burgeoning interest obligations, its debt had grown to about $860 million. As revenue declined, the company continued to burn cash -- in the second half of 2011, the rate was $2 million a week. The liquidity crunch forced Ripplewood in the early spring of 2011 to pump in $40 million more in return for more equity as well as debt that was subordinate to that held by Silver Point and Monarch. In August -- to save a company teetering on the edge of fiscal calamity and forced liquidation -- Silver Point, Monarch, and the group of other lenders put up an additional $30 million to see if a negotiated turnaround was possible." LOL!! So, dumbass, you agree with burning good money to chase bad money like this?? Even though Hostess cut union workers bennies and wages DRASTICALLY just 3 years ago, the management decided to borrow $30 MILLION MORE, while STILL PAYING MANAGEMENT $125k PER MONTH! All while Bankrupt!! And you say the workers are the problem? Thank you. You have proved convincingly that the owners could have had no other goal than to shut the company down. Therefore they hired management with the task of making it happen. It's cheaper and easier if the workers strike themselves out of a job, and that is what was accomplished. The owners think the money paid to management was worth it to achieve their goal so cleanly. Now, why would owners suddenly want to close the business? What has changed recently? I suspect Obamacare. Forward! Capitalism is a wonderful system until people use it to intentionally fuck over others by manipulating debt in their favor -- e.g, what Monarch and Silver Point did with Hostess. |
Éireann User ID: 27571136 United States 11/16/2012 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Forward! Obama voters first major corporate casualty post election. Way to go union dip shits. You killed your golden goose. Quoting: Resister And my golden sponge cake Twinkies Last Edited by Eireann on 11/16/2012 08:30 AM Eireann~ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20 |
CtYankee User ID: 10645599 United States 11/16/2012 08:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well stupid fucking unions are to thank for that Quoting: ^TrInItY^ you cannot strong arm a company into paying you what it doesn't fucking have! CtYankee "If at first you don't succeed, erase all evidence that you tried." -anonymous -Spouting a fountain of nonsense since 1972- Never met anyone important enough to lie to..... |
JackedVegan User ID: 9066073 United States 11/16/2012 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27304459 No I am not David Rockefeller, just someone who generally buys into the core assumption of microeconomics -- that each individual is rational if they maximize their own individual expected utility. This means no bonus points for reducing someone else's (i.e. Schadenfreude.) But it probably didn't matter, it seems likely that this management was hired and paid to shut the company down. Obamacare in, Hostess out! This "JackVegan" character is EXACTLY why correcting the Demographic imbalance of this country is necessary. "Overall, Hostess lost $341 million in fiscal 2011, 2½ times the loss of the prior year -- and by early 2012, primarily because of burgeoning interest obligations, its debt had grown to about $860 million. As revenue declined, the company continued to burn cash -- in the second half of 2011, the rate was $2 million a week. The liquidity crunch forced Ripplewood in the early spring of 2011 to pump in $40 million more in return for more equity as well as debt that was subordinate to that held by Silver Point and Monarch. In August -- to save a company teetering on the edge of fiscal calamity and forced liquidation -- Silver Point, Monarch, and the group of other lenders put up an additional $30 million to see if a negotiated turnaround was possible." LOL!! So, dumbass, you agree with burning good money to chase bad money like this?? Even though Hostess cut union workers bennies and wages DRASTICALLY just 3 years ago, the management decided to borrow $30 MILLION MORE, while STILL PAYING MANAGEMENT $125k PER MONTH! All while Bankrupt!! And you say the workers are the problem? Thank you. You have proved convincingly that the owners could have had no other goal than to shut the company down. Therefore they hired management with the task of making it happen. It's cheaper and easier if the workers strike themselves out of a job, and that is what was accomplished. The owners think the money paid to management was worth it to achieve their goal so cleanly. Now, why would owners suddenly want to close the business? What has changed recently? I suspect Obamacare. Forward! And yes, I have proven in this thread -- many times over -- that it was management that fucked Hostess NOT the workers. The workers aren't even capable of shuttin down such a huge operation...not even close. Again, the workers already took a cut in pay and bennies just 3 YEARS AGO! The management kept borrowing while bankrupt, and earning HUGE FUCKING SALARIES! |
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JackedVegan User ID: 9066073 United States 11/16/2012 08:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27304459 No I am not David Rockefeller, just someone who generally buys into the core assumption of microeconomics -- that each individual is rational if they maximize their own individual expected utility. This means no bonus points for reducing someone else's (i.e. Schadenfreude.) But it probably didn't matter, it seems likely that this management was hired and paid to shut the company down. Obamacare in, Hostess out! This "JackVegan" character is EXACTLY why correcting the Demographic imbalance of this country is necessary. "Overall, Hostess lost $341 million in fiscal 2011, 2½ times the loss of the prior year -- and by early 2012, primarily because of burgeoning interest obligations, its debt had grown to about $860 million. As revenue declined, the company continued to burn cash -- in the second half of 2011, the rate was $2 million a week. The liquidity crunch forced Ripplewood in the early spring of 2011 to pump in $40 million more in return for more equity as well as debt that was subordinate to that held by Silver Point and Monarch. In August -- to save a company teetering on the edge of fiscal calamity and forced liquidation -- Silver Point, Monarch, and the group of other lenders put up an additional $30 million to see if a negotiated turnaround was possible." LOL!! So, dumbass, you agree with burning good money to chase bad money like this?? Even though Hostess cut union workers bennies and wages DRASTICALLY just 3 years ago, the management decided to borrow $30 MILLION MORE, while STILL PAYING MANAGEMENT $125k PER MONTH! All while Bankrupt!! And you say the workers are the problem? When was the last time a union created a JOB? NUFF SAID That's not a union's intent. Unions' intentions are just to level the playing field as much as possible with overgrown, bloated management. Hostess management EARNED $125K PER MONTH WHILE BANKRUPT -- why are you anti-union tards not addressing that!!?? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 10153246 United States 11/16/2012 08:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | probably restart with the same corporate guys under a new name but still have all of the same markets open to them. the big difference will be that these union idiots won't have jobs with the "new" entity. these low iq drones could only think about their entitlements i.e. benefits and pension and think they deserve someone giving it to them out of thin air. do they really think a new company would pay them what they make now and just give them fully funded pensions? it is this mindset that keeps obama in office and the gop nominating fools (rino's). |
CygnusXI User ID: 21955391 United States 11/16/2012 08:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well stupid fucking unions are to thank for that Quoting: ^TrInItY^ you cannot strong arm a company into paying you what it doesn't fucking have! Bingo! Sad thing is, many cant/wont even see that logic. They will be selling thier proprietary recipies/rights, so the yummyness may survive in another company. **Crosses fingers** |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27304459 United States 11/16/2012 08:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is a nasty system, but the lender is corrupt to make a loan in that case. If the company has big labor problems, it's diseased within and lending to it is inherently risky. Yes I know that doesn't show up probably in traditional "credit scoring", and it's way too hot to handle politically, but still it's the truth. Capitalism and the annual bonus ... indeed a corrupt system. Be that as it may, this was the system in which the workers found themselves. I'd say they took the bait and now the trap is closed. |
CygnusXI User ID: 21955391 United States 11/16/2012 08:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's not a union's intent. Quoting: Unions' intentions are just to level the playing field as much as possible with overgrown, bloated management. Hostess management EARNED $125K PER MONTH WHILE BANKRUPT -- why are you anti-union tards not addressing that!!?? The management made 15,000,000 a year? Ooook. That aside, it is the owners business, not the unions, not the employees. Period. |
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Weltsmertz User ID: 21165448 United States 11/16/2012 08:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well stupid fucking unions are to thank for that Quoting: ^TrInItY^ you cannot strong arm a company into paying you what it doesn't fucking have! THIS so obvious yet the union kept at ti anyway! A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. Friedrich Nietzsche if I did not feel so sad as I look at them. Sad because they do not know the truth and I do know it. Oh, how hard it is to be the only one who knows the truth! But they won't understand that. No, they won't understand it." --from The Dream of a Ridiculous Man (1877) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27304459 United States 11/16/2012 08:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: AdHocBOHICA This "JackVegan" character is EXACTLY why correcting the Demographic imbalance of this country is necessary. "Overall, Hostess lost $341 million in fiscal 2011, 2½ times the loss of the prior year -- and by early 2012, primarily because of burgeoning interest obligations, its debt had grown to about $860 million. As revenue declined, the company continued to burn cash -- in the second half of 2011, the rate was $2 million a week. The liquidity crunch forced Ripplewood in the early spring of 2011 to pump in $40 million more in return for more equity as well as debt that was subordinate to that held by Silver Point and Monarch. In August -- to save a company teetering on the edge of fiscal calamity and forced liquidation -- Silver Point, Monarch, and the group of other lenders put up an additional $30 million to see if a negotiated turnaround was possible." LOL!! So, dumbass, you agree with burning good money to chase bad money like this?? Even though Hostess cut union workers bennies and wages DRASTICALLY just 3 years ago, the management decided to borrow $30 MILLION MORE, while STILL PAYING MANAGEMENT $125k PER MONTH! All while Bankrupt!! And you say the workers are the problem? When was the last time a union created a JOB? NUFF SAID That's not a union's intent. Unions' intentions are just to level the playing field as much as possible with overgrown, bloated management. Hostess management EARNED $125K PER MONTH WHILE BANKRUPT -- why are you anti-union tards not addressing that!!?? Yes, you see, the management and workers' jobs were not comparable at all. They were not even working with the same goal. Management was trying to shut the company down without recourse for lawsuits, internal damage, etc. Workers wanted to continue working there and get their pay, benefits and pensions. Now the workers lost, but the move was predictable. I can understand the feelings of the workers. I tried striking once myself (it's pretty funny and it didn't work out well for me.) But don't the unions have professional negotiators who are supposed to understand this game theory stuff? |
JackedVegan User ID: 9066073 United States 11/16/2012 08:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the workers tried to help the company 3 years ago by taking massive cuts. That didn't work, Hostess still filed their 1st bankruptcy. So even when the workers agreed to cuts, they still got fucked....tell me how this is all the workers' faults again? Remember, management will now walk away from 2 BANKRUPTCYS with tens of millions of dollars. |
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JackedVegan User ID: 9066073 United States 11/16/2012 08:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's not a union's intent. Quoting: Unions' intentions are just to level the playing field as much as possible with overgrown, bloated management. Hostess management EARNED $125K PER MONTH WHILE BANKRUPT -- why are you anti-union tards not addressing that!!?? The management made 15,000,000 a year? Ooook. That aside, it is the owners business, not the unions, not the employees. Period. Hold on, you're fine with that? You do realize the workers are people, with families, bills, and obligations, right? They had no clue that management was taking them on a fucking ride to no where. Hostess filed bankruptcy TWICE! The management will still profit MILLIONS. That sounds like a fine system to you? |
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