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FORTY STATES DESIRE TO SECEDE FROM THE UNION: TREASON OR ACT OF LIBERTY?

 
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Badly misleading article and thread. Forty states do not desire to secede. Thousands of people in 40 states that have millions of people want to secede. Big difference.

I am not opposed to secession if it become necessary, but there is not one state that has any where near a majority of it's people or legislatures that wants to secede right now. As far as the hypothetical question of treason or liberty, it is liberty so long as those people who want to be free are not actively working to harm others.

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"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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FORTY STATES DESIRE TO SECEDE FROM THE UNION: TREASON OR ACT OF LIBERTY?

By Fahim A. Knight-El

I am advocate of legal and peaceful dissent because our United States Constitution affords us that right and it would be hypocritical, if I did not acknowledge that these individuals and States who filed petitions to secede from the United States Government have the right to express dissent and present their grievances in a lawful manner. This is protected under the First Amendment Right of the United States Constitution and I do not think that they should feel any repression from the U.S. Government for seeking separation and sovereignty from the United States Government. This is how Washington State framed its secession petition: “Peacefully grant the State of Washington to peacefully withdraw from the United States and to form its own government. Under the auspices of the 9th and 10th Amendments of the Constitution of the United States of America the Citizens of the State of Washington take this grave action in an attempt to wrest sovereignty back unto itself so as to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and to our posterity”.



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 Quoting: FAHIM A. KNIGHT-El 27175732


surely 40 states is a majority in your democratic system yes? and if the rest of the states have a problem with this then what??
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Well any simpleton with half a brain who grew up with a good family will realize that this is an act of liberty.

And furthermore, if they have done their homework they will now that the globalist central banks are ruining the world, esp. America.

fuck all
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I'm sure the slave owners thought it was for liberty when they did it. rolleyes
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its impossible for a state to secede...logically.

this is why:

a state is only a state because the federal government, the union, gives it existence.

secession is equal to destroying the State that secedes.

who has the right to destroy a state?

answer: the federal government---or something like that.

either way. you are all immigrants and don't have a right to anything in this land, ultimately. in a manner of speaking...you don't really exist to the extent that you create or destroy anything.

i'd suggest stop listening to muslims and europeans...they'll just get you in a bad place.
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What the... a state is only a state b/c the Fed gives it existence??? Hmm... last time I read the books, the fed is only the fed because we the people give it existence....

Succession, would not destroy a state. The states were states BEFORE the fed.
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This is a buttfuckingly retarded question. Obviously exercising a right guaranteed in the Bill of Rights is not treasonous.
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What do you mean forty states? Do you mean that forty state governments want to secede? Because that's what you are implying. Or, do you mean a few idiots in up to forty states want to secede?
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What the crimeshit are you talking about? Fed creates states? Are you a fungal growth from your mommy's cunt? Listen here Beauregard, the Federal government was created as a small unification of the sovereign states. *Sovereign* states. Do you know what that means, fartnipple? The Federal government was created as a resource for the states, but ignorant assbrained Americans have allowed the agency of the Federal government to grow to the extent that it now acts as though it is a ruling bureaucracy which subjugates the states, which is wholly corrupt and wrong. Get a clue, you misappropriated bit of distended rectal tissue.
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its impossible for a state to secede...logically.

this is why:

a state is only a state because the federal government, the union, gives it existence.

secession is equal to destroying the State that secedes.

who has the right to destroy a state?

answer: the federal government---or something like that.

either way. you are all immigrants and don't have a right to anything in this land, ultimately. in a manner of speaking...you don't really exist to the extent that you create or destroy anything.

i'd suggest stop listening to muslims and europeans...they'll just get you in a bad place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29495491


What the... a state is only a state b/c the Fed gives it existence??? Hmm... last time I read the books, the fed is only the fed because we the people give it existence....

Succession, would not destroy a state. The states were states BEFORE the fed.
 Quoting: Booted and Suited


The fedguv is a creation of the states.
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Those 40 states can secede as soon as they pay their fair share of the deficit!
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This statement is dumb!!!
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I'm sure the slave owners thought it was for liberty when they did it. rolleyes
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its impossible for a state to secede...logically.

this is why:

a state is only a state because the federal government, the union, gives it existence.

secession is equal to destroying the State that secedes.

who has the right to destroy a state?

answer: the federal government---or something like that.

either way. you are all immigrants and don't have a right to anything in this land, ultimately. in a manner of speaking...you don't really exist to the extent that you create or destroy anything.

i'd suggest stop listening to muslims and europeans...they'll just get you in a bad place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29495491


What the... a state is only a state b/c the Fed gives it existence??? Hmm... last time I read the books, the fed is only the fed because we the people give it existence....

Succession, would not destroy a state. The states were states BEFORE the fed.
 Quoting: Booted and Suited


The fedguv is a creation of the states.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Exactly, and as such, can dissolve it, choose no longer to participate in it, or choose not to recognize any false authority that it tries to assume.
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What the crimeshit are you talking about? Fed creates states? Are you a fungal growth from your mommy's cunt? Listen here Beauregard, the Federal government was created as a small unification of the sovereign states. *Sovereign* states. Do you know what that means, fartnipple? The Federal government was created as a resource for the states, but ignorant assbrained Americans have allowed the agency of the Federal government to grow to the extent that it now acts as though it is a ruling bureaucracy which subjugates the states, which is wholly corrupt and wrong. Get a clue, you misappropriated bit of distended rectal tissue.
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My dear stupid friend from the South, please listen - the point is that there are 336,000,000 (yes, that's millions) of people in the USA - and a group of people the size of a pimple on an Elephants ass are wanting to secede. You get no recognition for that.
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its impossible for a state to secede...logically.

this is why:

a state is only a state because the federal government, the union, gives it existence.

secession is equal to destroying the State that secedes.

who has the right to destroy a state?

answer: the federal government---or something like that.

either way. you are all immigrants and don't have a right to anything in this land, ultimately. in a manner of speaking...you don't really exist to the extent that you create or destroy anything.

i'd suggest stop listening to muslims and europeans...they'll just get you in a bad place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29495491



You could not be more wrong.

The union of the united states is just that; a union of sovereign states that granted very limited power to a central body.

The federal government exists because of the states, not the other way around.
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What the crimeshit are you talking about? Fed creates states? Are you a fungal growth from your mommy's cunt? Listen here Beauregard, the Federal government was created as a small unification of the sovereign states. *Sovereign* states. Do you know what that means, fartnipple? The Federal government was created as a resource for the states, but ignorant assbrained Americans have allowed the agency of the Federal government to grow to the extent that it now acts as though it is a ruling bureaucracy which subjugates the states, which is wholly corrupt and wrong. Get a clue, you misappropriated bit of distended rectal tissue.
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My dear stupid friend from the South, please listen - the point is that there are 336,000,000 (yes, that's millions) of people in the USA - and a group of people the size of a pimple on an Elephants ass are wanting to secede. You get no recognition for that.
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How do you know it's a small number of people? And why assume he's from the south??? Do some research on when the New England states where looking to secede......
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What the crimeshit are you talking about? Fed creates states? Are you a fungal growth from your mommy's cunt? Listen here Beauregard, the Federal government was created as a small unification of the sovereign states. *Sovereign* states. Do you know what that means, fartnipple? The Federal government was created as a resource for the states, but ignorant assbrained Americans have allowed the agency of the Federal government to grow to the extent that it now acts as though it is a ruling bureaucracy which subjugates the states, which is wholly corrupt and wrong. Get a clue, you misappropriated bit of distended rectal tissue.
 Quoting: Foulmouth Pete 32601147


My dear stupid friend from the South, please listen - the point is that there are 336,000,000 (yes, that's millions) of people in the USA - and a group of people the size of a pimple on an Elephants ass are wanting to secede. You get no recognition for that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9097418


How do you know it's a small number of people? And why assume he's from the south??? Do some research on when the New England states where looking to secede......
 Quoting: Booted and Suited


Where?
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I'm sure the slave owners thought it was for liberty when they did it. rolleyes
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The secession of the South had nothing to do with slavery and everything to do with unconstitutional tariffs which had been imposed on Southern states by the federal government. Thomas DiLorenzo lays it out for those who are uninformed in the best speech I've seen on the subject:

[link to www.youtube.com]

The so-called "Civil War" was actually, as he correctly states, "The War To Prevent Southern Independence". If a state or group of states were to secede from the Union today, that action would have just as much validity as when a group of states seceded from the Union in the 1800's. And today, as then, it would be absolutely unconstitutional for the federal government to do anything to prevent those states from seceding.
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What the crimeshit are you talking about? Fed creates states? Are you a fungal growth from your mommy's cunt? Listen here Beauregard, the Federal government was created as a small unification of the sovereign states. *Sovereign* states. Do you know what that means, fartnipple? The Federal government was created as a resource for the states, but ignorant assbrained Americans have allowed the agency of the Federal government to grow to the extent that it now acts as though it is a ruling bureaucracy which subjugates the states, which is wholly corrupt and wrong. Get a clue, you misappropriated bit of distended rectal tissue.
 Quoting: Foulmouth Pete 32601147


My dear stupid friend from the South, please listen - the point is that there are 336,000,000 (yes, that's millions) of people in the USA - and a group of people the size of a pimple on an Elephants ass are wanting to secede. You get no recognition for that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9097418


How do you know it's a small number of people? And why assume he's from the south??? Do some research on when the New England states where looking to secede......
 Quoting: Booted and Suited


Where?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9097418


Here is one [link to radioboston.wbur.org]
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500,000....out of 350,000,000. Lol. The petitions are a joke, to keep angry white people content and satisfied that they can still do something about Obama. Now answer me this; you all believe obama stole the election correct? Then why and the hell do you think some signatures are going to stop him from doing what he wants????? E
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You gutless bitch. Why don't you go give Piers Morgan a blow job while you escort him back to England. Any while you are there, just stay.
If this is the spirit of a citizen of these united States, i am appalled.
Fuck off and die.
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What the crimeshit are you talking about? Fed creates states? Are you a fungal growth from your mommy's cunt? Listen here Beauregard, the Federal government was created as a small unification of the sovereign states. *Sovereign* states. Do you know what that means, fartnipple? The Federal government was created as a resource for the states, but ignorant assbrained Americans have allowed the agency of the Federal government to grow to the extent that it now acts as though it is a ruling bureaucracy which subjugates the states, which is wholly corrupt and wrong. Get a clue, you misappropriated bit of distended rectal tissue.
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Love ya man. Right on the money for these shit stains to try and comprehend.
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This is stupid because the vast majority of people don't want to leave the US. Stop pretending that normal people are crazy like the people who post here, they're not.
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hey op.....next time you dont get a pass.

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Fascists ;)
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You are aware that electronic communication has eliminated the need for a Federal Government and about 1/2 the State Govt could be laid off if the others were expected to put in a full 40 hr week (most could even be work from home to the empty Govt buildings could be turned into shelters where the residents get a bar-code bracelet and that is what their meds and diets deliver and they get to 'observe' what the ones in the Gov are doing as they will be the first to feel corruption. Insanity from working in the Gov can be eliminated by only having 1 generation in 10 serve and businesses are shareholder based so the Banking Industry is voided as it is a family run institution and that is who get's most of the profits, even at death the riches get given to an blood heir rather than to the shareholders. Odd that others would not object to something that fucked up.
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What the crimeshit are you talking about? Fed creates states? Are you a fungal growth from your mommy's cunt? Listen here Beauregard, the Federal government was created as a small unification of the sovereign states. *Sovereign* states. Do you know what that means, fartnipple? The Federal government was created as a resource for the states, but ignorant assbrained Americans have allowed the agency of the Federal government to grow to the extent that it now acts as though it is a ruling bureaucracy which subjugates the states, which is wholly corrupt and wrong. Get a clue, you misappropriated bit of distended rectal tissue.
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Thanks man, you fucking NAILED IT
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What the crimeshit are you talking about? Fed creates states? Are you a fungal growth from your mommy's cunt? Listen here Beauregard, the Federal government was created as a small unification of the sovereign states. *Sovereign* states. Do you know what that means, fartnipple? The Federal government was created as a resource for the states, but ignorant assbrained Americans have allowed the agency of the Federal government to grow to the extent that it now acts as though it is a ruling bureaucracy which subjugates the states, which is wholly corrupt and wrong. Get a clue, you misappropriated bit of distended rectal tissue.
 Quoting: Foulmouth Pete 32601147


My dear stupid friend from the South, please listen - the point is that there are 336,000,000 (yes, that's millions) of people in the USA - and a group of people the size of a pimple on an Elephants ass are wanting to secede. You get no recognition for that.
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The point, my penile wart-faced child of parasite-ridden feces, is in response to the boil-brained shitfucker who dared proclaim that the Federal government creates states. Your mongoloid raping "brain" fails to comprehend that most simplest of realities, instead tapping out your incoherent response with one hand while picking nuggets out of your unwashed cornhole with the other.
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Furthermore puslips, the Bill Of Rights contains the 10th Amendment which is a guaranteed legal remedy for just such an exasperating development. Unsurprisingly the Federal government has "denied" this right to any State that dared invoke it which it has no right to do.
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500,000....out of 350,000,000. Lol. The petitions are a joke, to keep angry white people content and satisfied that they can still do something about Obama. Now answer me this; you all believe obama stole the election correct? Then why and the hell do you think some signatures are going to stop him from doing what he wants????? E
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Well, the same could be said for the acts of 5 individuals to strip the rights of 350,000,000 with gun control...
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Like today propaganda has gone on for a long time. The North called it "The Civil War" for a very good reason. They want you to think a bunch of southern yahoos grabbed guns and rebelled against the U.S. That could not be further from the truth.

Every single state voted in it's state legislature to leave the Union. It was all legal because at that time there was nothing in the Constitution that said a State could not leave. That is why the U.S. left the South except for one disputed Island it claimed and suckered the South into attacking it. So the U.S. could claim the South attacked it first.

It is like Robert E. Lee or Jefferson Davis said. "A true Southerner would not ever call it The Civil war but would refer to it as "The War Between The states".

After the war the U.S. had to cover it's criminal ass and passed the wording that States did not have the right to leave the Union.

But then they got the states to vote to get back into the union despite the fact that those states were under martial law. They brought in northern black carpet baggers to run all the southern states and get them back into the union. Most white people were not allowed to vote since most were involved in the war for the south. So you tell me if that is right. Many say the south is still legally seceded from the union.

But the real truth is the Queen of England still owns the Eastern U.S. and that is the reason they cannot leave the Union. Some states in the west have it in their constitutions that they could secede and so legally they could any time they want.

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Like today propaganda has gone on for a long time. The North called it "The Civil War" for a very good reason. They want you to think a bunch of southern yahoos grabbed guns and rebelled against the U.S. That could not be further from the truth.

Every single state voted in it's state legislature to leave the Union. It was all legal because at that time there was nothing in the Constitution that said a State could not leave. That is why the U.S. left the South except for one disputed Island it claimed and suckered the South into attacking it. So the U.S. could claim the South attacked it first.

It is like Robert E. Lee or Jefferson Davis said. "A true Southerner would not ever call it The Civil war but would refer to it as "The War Between The states".

After the war the U.S. had to cover it's criminal ass and passed the wording that States did not have the right to leave the Union.

But then they got the states to vote to get back into the union despite the fact that those states were under martial law. They brought in northern black carpet baggers to run all the southern states and get them back into the union. Most white people were not allowed to vote since most were involved in the war for the south. So you tell me if that is right. Many say the south is still legally seceded from the union.

But the real truth is the Queen of England still owns the Eastern U.S. and that is the reason they cannot leave the Union. Some states in the west have it in their constitutions that they could secede and so legally they could any time they want.

.
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This is pretty much accurate ... I say you are right in saying the southern states are now seceded , they just have no one in their legislatures (they are all USCitizens (government employees, must be government employee to vote in 'ney' reconstructed system implement by martial law)

I think its interesting the southern states lawfully voted to pass the 13th amendment (free slaves) ... but were expelled when they wouldn't pass the 14th (enslaves everyone to the DC government)
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I recall a Russian article a year or two back that said that the US would break up into States and this was planned. Wonder if this is what is happening?

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