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I am a Union Carpenter. I live and work in Florida. Very thin on union work around here. I was a Carpenter before I joined the Union. I have a very strong work ethic, I always have. Before I joined the Union I felt as tough I was being taken advantage of constantly. I worked more than 50 hours a week frequently and without overtime because I worked for more than one contractor. I could barely survive. I don't have any drug or alcohol addiction/habit/affinity. I am not a gambler. I have always been fiscally responsible. I just couldn't seem to make more than 10-13$/hr. I am a master acoustical ceiling hanger, I am a master at framing and hanging dry wall. I am a master stair builder. I can cope the most intricate trim/crown/chair/base moulding to where one coat of paint would cover any gaps. With all of these in demand skills and all of tools to do any one of them I could not seem to break through that 13$/hour ceiling.

The other part to the story is that during that time was going to college where ever I could seem to fit it in edgewise. I successfully completed an AA degree. Being broke and saddled with debt and still virtually nothing to show for previous 6 years I gave up. Sold everything. Got a crap job in a data center for 13$/hr . Non union sitting in a very heavily air conditioned basically sterile environment doing basically nothing but babysitting some mainframes a tape backups.

There was no equity. I'm highly intelligent. I dropped out of high school at 16 got my GED (98th percentile), started college but also had to start working. That is when I got into this trade. I was young and spongy in the brain. I soaked up all the little tricks the old timers used. I was aghast to find out that while I was making 10$/hr they were making only 15$/hr. I would ask them about the Union and they would spew all of this anti-union garbage (as I now know it to be). I would ask them why they don't ask for a raise and they would tell me they are getting by just fine. I thought that seemed a little defeatist. Optimism of youth I will call it now.

Fast forward a few years and I am nearly a fully vested Union Journeyman Carpenter. I work just as hard as I did back when I was pubescent college freshman. I just feel like I there is a real chance that I can prosper and afford to have a family and live the American dream. I have also started my masters thesis on my dime without a penny owed to Sally Mae or whatever other financial vampires are out there begging to own you through debt. That's right in just a few years of hard work through my Union hall I have paid off all of my previous student loans and paid for three more years of college/university. I own my new vehicle outright and bought a sweet vintage speed boat(needs some work but my skills come in handy). When I'm not working I draw unemployment the same way a bank teller, meter maid, cashier, or any other non union person would. Sometimes I don't even bother because I save money and spend responsibly.

Point is that Unions and the people that are in them are much the same as everywhere/one else. There are hardworking dependable honest loyal people doing the same jobs both in and out of the union. The difference is in the rate of compensation. Sure there are also total slack ass do nothing's , but in my experience they seem to be the ones crying about the lack of work at our meetings. You'd think they'd get the hint. You couldn't imagine how many of those types I have had to cover for in non union work just so gc wouldn't kick the whole lot of us out. Which would have put me out of work.

Best thing I have ever been a part of Is my Union. Don't bash it til you try it. You may see that your quality/enjoyment of life improves dramatically. Unless you are just a lazy skilless unintelligent parasitic lout who prefers to drink/shootup/snort/smoke/gamble your 7/11,walmart/best buy/slave wage away.

This will be my only post to glp. I hope you open your minds a little.
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I am a Union Carpenter. I live and work in Florida. Very thin on union work around here. I was a Carpenter before I joined the Union. I have a very strong work ethic, I always have. Before I joined the Union I felt as tough I was being taken advantage of constantly. I worked more than 50 hours a week frequently and without overtime because I worked for more than one contractor. I could barely survive. I don't have any drug or alcohol addiction/habit/affinity. I am not a gambler. I have always been fiscally responsible. I just couldn't seem to make more than 10-13$/hr. I am a master acoustical ceiling hanger, I am a master at framing and hanging dry wall. I am a master stair builder. I can cope the most intricate trim/crown/chair/base moulding to where one coat of paint would cover any gaps. With all of these in demand skills and all of tools to do any one of them I could not seem to break through that 13$/hour ceiling.

The other part to the story is that during that time was going to college where ever I could seem to fit it in edgewise. I successfully completed an AA degree. Being broke and saddled with debt and still virtually nothing to show for previous 6 years I gave up. Sold everything. Got a crap job in a data center for 13$/hr . Non union sitting in a very heavily air conditioned basically sterile environment doing basically nothing but babysitting some mainframes a tape backups.

There was no equity. I'm highly intelligent. I dropped out of high school at 16 got my GED (98th percentile), started college but also had to start working. That is when I got into this trade. I was young and spongy in the brain. I soaked up all the little tricks the old timers used. I was aghast to find out that while I was making 10$/hr they were making only 15$/hr. I would ask them about the Union and they would spew all of this anti-union garbage (as I now know it to be). I would ask them why they don't ask for a raise and they would tell me they are getting by just fine. I thought that seemed a little defeatist. Optimism of youth I will call it now.

Fast forward a few years and I am nearly a fully vested Union Journeyman Carpenter. I work just as hard as I did back when I was pubescent college freshman. I just feel like I there is a real chance that I can prosper and afford to have a family and live the American dream. I have also started my masters thesis on my dime without a penny owed to Sally Mae or whatever other financial vampires are out there begging to own you through debt. That's right in just a few years of hard work through my Union hall I have paid off all of my previous student loans and paid for three more years of college/university. I own my new vehicle outright and bought a sweet vintage speed boat(needs some work but my skills come in handy). When I'm not working I draw unemployment the same way a bank teller, meter maid, cashier, or any other non union person would. Sometimes I don't even bother because I save money and spend responsibly.

Point is that Unions and the people that are in them are much the same as everywhere/one else. There are hardworking dependable honest loyal people doing the same jobs both in and out of the union. The difference is in the rate of compensation. Sure there are also total slack ass do nothing's , but in my experience they seem to be the ones crying about the lack of work at our meetings. You'd think they'd get the hint. You couldn't imagine how many of those types I have had to cover for in non union work just so gc wouldn't kick the whole lot of us out. Which would have put me out of work.

Best thing I have ever been a part of Is my Union. Don't bash it til you try it. You may see that your quality/enjoyment of life improves dramatically. Unless you are just a lazy skilless unintelligent parasitic lout who prefers to drink/shootup/snort/smoke/gamble your 7/11,walmart/best buy/slave wage away.

This will be my only post to glp. I hope you open your minds a little.
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richard trumpka is that you. You joined a union becasue you didn't have what it takes to make it on your own. Your just a barnicle.

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ha ha!

op is a blithering idiot.

say "no" to union labor.
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Unions drive up the cost of goods and services. Which is why companies who wish to remain solvent, keep fleeing them in order to survive. No one owes you white collar salaries and benefits for blue collar work.
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If you work hard, you're one of the few.

Unions had their purpose way back when, but today, if any employer did what caused unions to be created in the first place, they'd be sued.

There is ZERO reason, in 2012, for unions to exist.
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ha ha!

op is a blithering idiot.

say "no" to union labor.
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you are right! they'd rather be unemployed and make the taxpayers pay for their demands for high wages ( twinky company going into liquidation, so now taxpayers have to pick up the tab for their pensions ) than to have a job.
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i'm guessing the people here slamming unions don't really care about their 5 day/40 hour work week or their overtime pay or their benefits or any of that. union men fought and died to bring you that, asstards.

let the day come when unions are outlawed in america and you'll see slavery come back in full force. i love how people believe everything the government and big business tells them. god, americans are fucking dumb.

case in point, look at china where unions are illegal. ask a worker there how he would feel with a little union representation.

my guess is these people posting here have never worked both sides of the fence and have never seen the pros and cons of each. and yes, both sides have their good and bad. i will give you that much...

power to the people!
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When unions go, the middleclass disapear.

Enjoy being poor.
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The 18,500 FORMER employees of Hostess might feel differently today.
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If you look at the century-old communist movement to destroy the US as a chess board, unions are the queen.

They are the epitome of corruption and anti-Americanism. Their very existence is treasonous.

They can all go to hell; it would make the country a far better place.
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unions exist because the company treats their employees like shit, plain n simple. The people at the top would rather collect bigger profits than treat their employees well. No one to blame but the company themselves, for the existence of a union.

Treat your employees like crap, watch them unionize. :)
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I am a Journeyman Painter, went through federal apprenticeship in Michigan, made scale and still do, yet have never belonged to a Union. They are Unnesseccary! If you work your ass off, do what you say you will do, and do it well there is work. In my experience the unions main goal is to get those who do not deserve the job their jobs back!

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Unions are evil OP! I go out of my way to not use union labor especially when I buy new cars.
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unions exist because the company treats their employees like shit, plain n simple. The people at the top would rather collect bigger profits than treat their employees well. No one to blame but the company themselves, for the existence of a union.

Treat your employees like crap, watch them unionize. :)
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Stop living in the past. Things have changed!
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unions exist because the company treats their employees like shit, plain n simple. The people at the top would rather collect bigger profits than treat their employees well. No one to blame but the company themselves, for the existence of a union.

Treat your employees like crap, watch them unionize. :)
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Stop living in the past. Things have changed!
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Sooo True, as I said the sit down strikers in Flint Michigan in 1936 had a legitimate Bitch, today not so much. Americans have cut off their nose to spite their face.
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Unions represent all workers for their rights, even non union employees. As advocates for workers. That's why many people have a 40 hour week and for them weekends exist...

Hotel workers in Boston who many of the big chains are cutting the pay from $15-16/hr. to $8/hr. want representation. I support what the workers need to survive these huge non living wage cuts. How can anyboby in Boston live on $8/hr? It's pretty much not possible. Rent is to Damn High!

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unions exist because the company treats their employees like shit, plain n simple. The people at the top would rather collect bigger profits than treat their employees well. No one to blame but the company themselves, for the existence of a union.

Treat your employees like crap, watch them unionize. :)
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This is truth, many are saying Unions aren't needed. I used to say that until my last job. I was actually reaching out to get a union in there. But I just quit and got a better job. I'm lucky, some are going to be stuck there like I feared I might be. Yes, I'm a hard worker but sometimes life just isnt fear. Some workplaces might not need unions but in my opinion some employers need unions because as the poster above says? Some employers treat their employees like shit. It's either the government or the Unions that has to sort that out. Which do you prefer? I prefer Unions!

And I am Libertarian as they come.

Jail isn't for everybody but for those that hurt people? Jail.

That's what Unions role are for bad employers!
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The Unions are as corrupt as the corporations. They are two sides of the same coin.
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If we could only crush the NEA, it would be a good start
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You f'n union bashers have no clue what unions did for america. You pencil pushers, porn watching office workers can't fathom the union thang. Let me tell you, unions built this nation into prosperity and the banks and CEOs are destroying it.

Just f'n wait when all unions are abolished you will be crying to your bosses for weekends off, or wonder why you have to do the midnight shift to maintain a job.

Here's the f'in best part you retards, once unions have been dismantled say bye bye to the minimum wage and welcome yourself to slavery and poverty.

Yeah we will be able to compete with china then at the cost of your livelihood.
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You f'n union bashers have no clue what unions did for america. You pencil pushers, porn watching office workers can't fathom the union thang. Let me tell you, unions built this nation into prosperity and the banks and CEOs are destroying it.

Just f'n wait when all unions are abolished you will be crying to your bosses for weekends off, or wonder why you have to do the midnight shift to maintain a job.

Here's the f'in best part you retards, once unions have been dismantled say bye bye to the minimum wage and welcome yourself to slavery and poverty.

Yeah we will be able to compete with china then at the cost of your livelihood.
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K, you fucking brainwahsed union lover. Im not a paper pusher, and have no use for unions. They have ruined manufacturing in this country.
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You f'n union bashers have no clue what unions did for america. You pencil pushers, porn watching office workers can't fathom the union thang. Let me tell you, unions built this nation into prosperity and the banks and CEOs are destroying it.

Just f'n wait when all unions are abolished you will be crying to your bosses for weekends off, or wonder why you have to do the midnight shift to maintain a job.

Here's the f'in best part you retards, once unions have been dismantled say bye bye to the minimum wage and welcome yourself to slavery and poverty.

Yeah we will be able to compete with china then at the cost of your livelihood.
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K, you fucking brainwahsed union lover. Im not a paper pusher, and have no use for unions. They have ruined manufacturing in this country.
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Free trade to China ruined manufacturing. China were workers have no rights.
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You f'n union bashers have no clue what unions did for america. You pencil pushers, porn watching office workers can't fathom the union thang. Let me tell you, unions built this nation into prosperity and the banks and CEOs are destroying it.

Just f'n wait when all unions are abolished you will be crying to your bosses for weekends off, or wonder why you have to do the midnight shift to maintain a job.

Here's the f'in best part you retards, once unions have been dismantled say bye bye to the minimum wage and welcome yourself to slavery and poverty.

Yeah we will be able to compete with china then at the cost of your livelihood.
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K, you fucking brainwahsed union lover. Im not a paper pusher, and have no use for unions. They have ruined manufacturing in this country.
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If you think unions are responsible for that you obviously have done zero homework on the subject and what is really bringing america to its knees.
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This has been in the making for 40 years, the economy is not collapsing due to one mans policies, the manufacturing base was not lost in America due to one president. American workers did not become the most spoiled, well paid population in the world overnight, The derivitives market did not reach 650 trillion in a few years, Debt did not overpower GDP due to a presidents decisions. Americans expect to be taken care of by their government, expect sick days, vacation, insurance, holidays off, unemployment insurance, coffee breaks. We are entitled and dillusional. We have no idea how to stop expecting what we have always known and it will be our demise. Hostess is a good expmple today... The unions have destroyed america and we have made this bed we now are being forced to lay in. History is clear, and the refusal of americans to learn history is what will insure our repeating it.
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Even if you could get back the 56,000 factories closed since 2001, I doubt you could find enough people to work in them. The gen xers, and millineum gen are opposed to hard work or manual labor. Getting sweaty is not their idea of a good job. Degrees in Liberal arts and Buisness, we were told to go to college and get a good job so that we did not have to work as hard as our parents and grandparents did. That is why we have no farmers, no innovation. The last thing america invented was Spanks. Our number one export is Trash, number two is the dollar. We have off-shored our manufacturing base, we have allowed the idustrial centers to collapse and rust, the UAW and Teamsters insured that big buisness would leave this country as it is impossible to pay the labor here. We score at the bottom of the industrial world in Math, Science, and history. We have 4.8% of the world population and 25% of the world prisoners... free labor! Wake up people this is the end of Empire.
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You f'n union bashers have no clue what unions did for america. You pencil pushers, porn watching office workers can't fathom the union thang. Let me tell you, unions built this nation into prosperity and the banks and CEOs are destroying it.

Just f'n wait when all unions are abolished you will be crying to your bosses for weekends off, or wonder why you have to do the midnight shift to maintain a job.

Here's the f'in best part you retards, once unions have been dismantled say bye bye to the minimum wage and welcome yourself to slavery and poverty.

Yeah we will be able to compete with china then at the cost of your livelihood.
 Quoting: anonymouse 1545658


K, you fucking brainwahsed union lover. Im not a paper pusher, and have no use for unions. They have ruined manufacturing in this country.
 Quoting: smokahontas

Free trade to China ruined manufacturing. China were workers have no rights.
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And soon it will be the same in USA. No more minimum wage, no more osha, no more retirement, no more weekends with families, no more buying flat screens and iphones. Shit when it all hits all you pencil and paper pushers will be watching porn on a 56k modem again with a real player.

Killing the union will take this country back to the dark ages.
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The U.S. does not make enough actual good for foriegners with reserves to buy. Consumers are too indebted to borrow, with debt at 136% of income. Banks are too insolvent to lend, as they are 650 trillion invested in credit default swaps. Payroll employmnet is less than it was in 2001 after a decade of population growth. The U.s. economy would have to add 180,000 jobs a month to keep up with people entering the workforce be it through college graduates or 18 year olds entering the work force. As of 2/9/2012 70% of the federal budget goes to individual assistance programs. The U.S has more per capita debt than Greece, portugal, Ireland or spain. German banks are leveraged 32 to 1 Lehman was only 30 to 1. A one percent increase in the average interest rate would add $88 billion to the treasury's interest payment this year alone. This is not conspiracy it is math!
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I have certainly done my homework my freind
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Where did you go????
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Even if you could get back the 56,000 factories closed since 2001, I doubt you could find enough people to work in them. The gen xers, and millineum gen are opposed to hard work or manual labor. Getting sweaty is not their idea of a good job. Degrees in Liberal arts and Buisness, we were told to go to college and get a good job so that we did not have to work as hard as our parents and grandparents did. That is why we have no farmers, no innovation. The last thing america invented was Spanks. Our number one export is Trash, number two is the dollar. We have off-shored our manufacturing base, we have allowed the idustrial centers to collapse and rust, the UAW and Teamsters insured that big buisness would leave this country as it is impossible to pay the labor here. We score at the bottom of the industrial world in Math, Science, and history. We have 4.8% of the world population and 25% of the world prisoners... free labor! Wake up people this is the end of Empire.
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If it wasn't for teamsters nothing would be at the stores to buy bro. You really think a truck driver is going to make less than 20K a year and put his own money in the tank so you can enjoy a full of choices grocery store? Wake up retard.

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