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Waiting for some scholar to prove 1948 was the prophesied restoration of ISRAEL

 
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Please I beg of you bring on your seminarian curiculum
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Do you know the verses/books which prophecy it?
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Do you know the verses/books which prophecy it?
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Do you?
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Or was it just the same heavily moneyed globalist elites setting up a nation-state actively, just as that same organization is responsible for so much propaganda and so many wars now, just so that they could point to history as proof of fulfillment of prophecy?
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Or was it just the same heavily moneyed globalist elites setting up a nation-state actively, just as that same organization is responsible for so much propaganda and so many wars now, just so that they could point to history as proof of fulfillment of prophecy?
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A wise one in the house! I tend to agree
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I certainly don't believe that sataniclly inspired Zionist regime was the fulfillment of prophecy. But wasn't it in 1947 and not 1948?
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See, I think there's been an enhancement of the typical doom panic in recent years. There's been a purposeful thrust to drive the world into war, starting in the middle east, involving Israel, and claiming references to fulfillment of prophecy meant to whip the Christians up into such a Second Coming Judgment Day frenzy that they won't think twice about hurling their goy bodies onto another fire for their "allies".
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I certainly don't believe that sataniclly inspired Zionist regime was the fulfillment of prophecy. But wasn't it in 1947 and not 1948?
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this occurred on May 15, 1948 as the United Nations official- ly recognized Israel as a sovereign nation.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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See, I think there's been an enhancement of the typical doom panic in recent years. There's been a purposeful thrust to drive the world into war, starting in the middle east, involving Israel, and claiming references to fulfillment of prophecy meant to whip the Christians up into such a Second Coming Judgment Day frenzy that they won't think twice about hurling their goy bodies onto another fire for their "allies".
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not just that but to make christians complacent by throwing of the propetic sequence.They will be broadsided because they keep believing in these dumb seminarian puppets
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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I certainly don't believe that sataniclly inspired Zionist regime was the fulfillment of prophecy. But wasn't it in 1947 and not 1948?
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this occurred on May 15, 1948 as the United Nations official- ly recognized Israel as a sovereign nation.
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Ok thanks. Didn't realize that.
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Do you know the verses/books which prophecy it?
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Do you?
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No, I forget them. That is obviously why I am asking you.
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See, I think there's been an enhancement of the typical doom panic in recent years. There's been a purposeful thrust to drive the world into war, starting in the middle east, involving Israel, and claiming references to fulfillment of prophecy meant to whip the Christians up into such a Second Coming Judgment Day frenzy that they won't think twice about hurling their goy bodies onto another fire for their "allies".
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not just that but to make christians complacent by throwing of the propetic sequence.They will be broadsided because they keep believing in these dumb seminarian puppets
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Good thread. More here. . .

[link to gods-kingdom-ministries.net]

<< Many today understand that Jesus was here referring to the cursed fig tree. It is widely accepted that the cursed fig tree that had withered from the roots up in Jesus' day suddenly began to put forth leaves in 1947-48 when the Israeli state was created. We agree with this. Strangely enough, however, many also believe that the Jewish fig tree nation founded in 1948 is going to bear fruit, though Jesus specifically said in Matthew 21:19 that it would not. Consequently, this is an area that deserves further investigation, so that we might understand the mind of God and know what He is doing in the world today. >>
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not just that but to make christians complacent by throwing of the propetic sequence.They will be broadsided because they keep believing in these dumb seminarian puppets
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A fine point. It's a cunning psychological attack because it hits Christians exactly where they're most vulnerable, their faith, their willingness to believe, and it attempts to dovetail their observations in this world with real dates and real history into making sense with their prophecies and scriptures.
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I certainly don't believe that sataniclly inspired Zionist regime was the fulfillment of prophecy. But wasn't it in 1947 and not 1948?
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this occurred on May 15, 1948 as the United Nations official- ly recognized Israel as a sovereign nation.
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Ok thanks. Didn't realize that.
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No PROBS

The War of Independence (1947-49)

The war was fought along the entire, long border of the country: against Lebanon and Syria in the north; Iraq and Transjordan - renamed Jordan during the war - in the east; Egypt, assisted by contingents from the Sudan - in the south; and Palestinians and volunteers from Arab countries in the interior of the country.

It was the bloodiest of Israel's wars. It cost 6,373 killed in action (from pre-state days until 20 July 1949) almost 1% of the yishuv (the Jewish community) - although that figure includes quite a number of new immigrants and some foreign volunteers.

In the First Phase (29 November 1947 - 1 April 1948), it was the Palestinian Arabs who took the offensive, with the help of volunteers from neighboring countries; the yishuv had little success in limiting the war - it suffered severe casualties and disruption of passage along most of the major highways.

In the Second Phase (1 April - 15 May) the Haganah took the initiative, and in six weeks was able to turn the tables - capturing, inter alia, the Arab sections of Tiberias, Haifa and later also Safed and Acre, temporarily opening the road to Jerusalem and gaining control of much of the territory alotted to the Jewish State under the UN Resolution.

The Third Phase (15 May - 19 July), considered the critical one, opened with the simultaneous, coordinated assault on the fledgling state by five regular Arab armies from neighboring countries, with an overwhelming superiority of heavy equipment - armor, artillery and airforce.
On 31 May the Haganah was renamed the "Israel Defence Forces". The IDF suffered initial setbacks, including the loss of the Etzion Bloc in Judea, the area of Mishmar Hayarden in the north and Yad Mordehai in the south, but after three weeks was able to halt the offensive, to stabilize the front and even initiate some local offensive operations.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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See, I think there's been an enhancement of the typical doom panic in recent years. There's been a purposeful thrust to drive the world into war, starting in the middle east, involving Israel, and claiming references to fulfillment of prophecy meant to whip the Christians up into such a Second Coming Judgment Day frenzy that they won't think twice about hurling their goy bodies onto another fire for their "allies".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27636366


not just that but to make christians complacent by throwing of the propetic sequence.They will be broadsided because they keep believing in these dumb seminarian puppets
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Good thread. More here. . .

[link to gods-kingdom-ministries.net]

<< Many today understand that Jesus was here referring to the cursed fig tree. It is widely accepted that the cursed fig tree that had withered from the roots up in Jesus' day suddenly began to put forth leaves in 1947-48 when the Israeli state was created. We agree with this. Strangely enough, however, many also believe that the Jewish fig tree nation founded in 1948 is going to bear fruit, though Jesus specifically said in Matthew 21:19 that it would not. Consequently, this is an area that deserves further investigation, so that we might understand the mind of God and know what He is doing in the world today. >>
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Propecy has to be backed by the fundamentals and the direct language spoken, not by one verse but precepts and things actually manifesting as the father proclaimed. take for isntance ezek chapter 36,study it line by line and compare with todays events in Israel.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Do you know the verses/books which prophecy it?
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Do you?
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No, I forget them. That is obviously why I am asking you.
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So what are they?
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Do you know the verses/books which prophecy it?
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Do you?
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No, I forget them. That is obviously why I am asking you.
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So what are they?
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for a desert start with eze chapter 36
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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See, I think there's been an enhancement of the typical doom panic in recent years. There's been a purposeful thrust to drive the world into war, starting in the middle east, involving Israel, and claiming references to fulfillment of prophecy meant to whip the Christians up into such a Second Coming Judgment Day frenzy that they won't think twice about hurling their goy bodies onto another fire for their "allies".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27636366


not just that but to make christians complacent by throwing of the propetic sequence.They will be broadsided because they keep believing in these dumb seminarian puppets
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Good thread. More here. . .

[link to gods-kingdom-ministries.net]

<< Many today understand that Jesus was here referring to the cursed fig tree. It is widely accepted that the cursed fig tree that had withered from the roots up in Jesus' day suddenly began to put forth leaves in 1947-48 when the Israeli state was created. We agree with this. Strangely enough, however, many also believe that the Jewish fig tree nation founded in 1948 is going to bear fruit, though Jesus specifically said in Matthew 21:19 that it would not. Consequently, this is an area that deserves further investigation, so that we might understand the mind of God and know what He is doing in the world today. >>
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Propecy has to be backed by the fundamentals and the direct language spoken, not by one verse but precepts and things actually manifesting as the father proclaimed. take for isntance ezek chapter 36,study it line by line and compare with todays events in Israel.
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Agreed
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Are the events taking place in Israel today in fulfillment of Bible prophecy?

Ezek. 37:21, 22, JP: “Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, whither they are gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land; and I will make them one nation in the land, upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be king to them all.” (Israel today is not a nation under a king of the royal line of David. Theirs is a republic.)

Isa. 2:2-4, JP: “It shall come to pass in the end of days, that the mountain of the LORD’S house shall be established as the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many peoples shall go and say: ‘Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths.’ . . . And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.” (In Jerusalem today, where the temple was formerly located there is no “house of the God of Jacob,” but, instead, an Islamic shrine. And there is no move on the part of Israel or its neighbors to “beat their swords into plowshares.” They depend for survival on military preparedness.)

Isa. 35:1, 2, JP: “The wilderness and the parched land shall be glad; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice, even with joy and singing; the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon; they shall see the glory of the LORD, the excellency of our God.” (Remarkable reforestation and irrigation projects have been successfully undertaken in Israel. But its leaders do not give credit to the Lord God. As a former premier, David Ben-Gurion, said: “Israel is determined . . . to conquer the desert and make it flourish by the power of science and the pioneering spirit, and to transform the country into a bastion of democracy.”)

Zech. 8:23, JP: “In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold, out of all the languages of the nations, shall even take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying: We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” (To what God does the prophecy refer? In the Hebrew language his name [&#1497;&#1492;&#1493;&#1492;, commonly translated Jehovah] appears over 130 times in this one book of the Holy Scriptures. Today when someone uses that name, do people conclude that the person must be a Jew? No; for many centuries, superstition has caused the Jewish people as a whole to refrain from ever uttering God’s personal name. The upsurge of religious interest concerning natural Israel today does not fit this prophecy.)

How, then, are events in modern-day Israel to be viewed? Merely as part of global developments foretold in the Bible. These include war, lawlessness, cooling off of love for God, and the love of money.—Matt. 24:7, 12; 2 Tim. 3:1-5.
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not just that but to make christians complacent by throwing of the propetic sequence.They will be broadsided because they keep believing in these dumb seminarian puppets
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Good thread. More here. . .

[link to gods-kingdom-ministries.net]

<< Many today understand that Jesus was here referring to the cursed fig tree. It is widely accepted that the cursed fig tree that had withered from the roots up in Jesus' day suddenly began to put forth leaves in 1947-48 when the Israeli state was created. We agree with this. Strangely enough, however, many also believe that the Jewish fig tree nation founded in 1948 is going to bear fruit, though Jesus specifically said in Matthew 21:19 that it would not. Consequently, this is an area that deserves further investigation, so that we might understand the mind of God and know what He is doing in the world today. >>
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Propecy has to be backed by the fundamentals and the direct language spoken, not by one verse but precepts and things actually manifesting as the father proclaimed. take for isntance ezek chapter 36,study it line by line and compare with todays events in Israel.
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Agreed
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dasbier
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Are the events taking place in Israel today in fulfillment of Bible prophecy?

Ezek. 37:21, 22, JP: “Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, whither they are gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land; and I will make them one nation in the land, upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be king to them all.” (Israel today is not a nation under a king of the royal line of David. Theirs is a republic.)

Isa. 2:2-4, JP: “It shall come to pass in the end of days, that the mountain of the LORD’S house shall be established as the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many peoples shall go and say: ‘Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths.’ . . . And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.” (In Jerusalem today, where the temple was formerly located there is no “house of the God of Jacob,” but, instead, an Islamic shrine. And there is no move on the part of Israel or its neighbors to “beat their swords into plowshares.” They depend for survival on military preparedness.)

Isa. 35:1, 2, JP: “The wilderness and the parched land shall be glad; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice, even with joy and singing; the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon; they shall see the glory of the LORD, the excellency of our God.” (Remarkable reforestation and irrigation projects have been successfully undertaken in Israel. But its leaders do not give credit to the Lord God. As a former premier, David Ben-Gurion, said: “Israel is determined . . . to conquer the desert and make it flourish by the power of science and the pioneering spirit, and to transform the country into a bastion of democracy.”)

Zech. 8:23, JP: “In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold, out of all the languages of the nations, shall even take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying: We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” (To what God does the prophecy refer? In the Hebrew language his name [&#1497;&#1492;&#1493;&#1492;, commonly translated Jehovah] appears over 130 times in this one book of the Holy Scriptures. Today when someone uses that name, do people conclude that the person must be a Jew? No; for many centuries, superstition has caused the Jewish people as a whole to refrain from ever uttering God’s personal name. The upsurge of religious interest concerning natural Israel today does not fit this prophecy.)

How, then, are events in modern-day Israel to be viewed? Merely as part of global developments foretold in the Bible. These include war, lawlessness, cooling off of love for God, and the love of money.—Matt. 24:7, 12; 2 Tim. 3:1-5.
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events in israel today are unfolding in the order of prophecy and as you see these things will happen before she is restored.

eg. THE TWELVE TRIBES ARE NOT IN ISRAEL LIVING IN THEIR OWN ORIGINAL ESTATES AS PROPHECIED
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Do you?
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No, I forget them. That is obviously why I am asking you.


So what are they?


for a desert start with eze chapter 36


Are you saying you bel
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physical land of Israe
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e destroyed and that the real Isralites will
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re to reclaim and build up the land eventually?
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Do you?
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No, I forget them. That is obviously why I am asking you.


So what are they?


for a desert start with eze chapter 36


Are you saying you bel
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physical land of Israe
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e destroyed and that the real Isralites will
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re to reclaim and build up the land eventually?
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Isaiah 66 talks about a nation being born in one day. It doesn't say the year, per se, but does describe how it happened.

Who has heard such a thing?
Who has seen such things?
Shall a land be born in one day?
Shall a nation be brought forth in one moment?
For as soon as Zion was in labor
she brought forth her children.
Shall I bring to the point of birth and not cause to bring forth?”
says the LORD;
“shall I, who cause to bring forth, shut the womb?”
says your God.
“Rejoice with Jerusalem, and be glad for her,
all you who love her;
rejoice with her in joy,
(Isaiah 66:8-10 ESV)



[link to www.findingdulcinea.com]

Britain seized control Palestine in 1917 and was granted mandate over the area by the League of Nations in 1922.

In November 1947, the United Nations approved a proposal to partition Palestine into separate Jewish and Palestinian states. However, in response to intense opposition to the plan from Arab states, Britain did not implement the partition.

Britain later announced that it would terminate its mandate on May 15, 1948. On May 14, British forces pulled out of Palestine a day early. That afternoon, Jewish leaders assembled at the Tel Aviv Museum to sign the Israeli Declaration of Independence and announce the creation of the first modern Jewish state.


So you see, God speaks about a nation being brought forth in one day (Zion), claims to have had a part in it (shall I bring to the point and not cause to bring forth), and goes on to say it is cause for celebration (Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her)!!

I'm not sure if this is what you were looking for. There may be other scriptures concerning this, but this is the one that came to my mind when I read your post.
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My whole quote got removed! This is what I said: Are you saying that the physical land of Israel will be destroyed and that the real Israelites will eventually move there to claim and rebuild the land?
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The Renewal of Israel

16 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying: 17 “Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity. 18 Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it. 19 So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds. 20 When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name—when they said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord, and yet they have gone out of His land.’ 21 But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.

22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. 29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 31 Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. 32 Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”
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No, I forget them. That is obviously why I am asking you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27752303


So what are they?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27752303


for a desert start with eze chapter 36
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Are you saying you believe the physical land of Israel will be destroyed and that the real Isralites will move there to reclaim and build up the land eventually?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12966144


I AM SAYING READ EZE CHP 36
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Please I beg of you bring on your seminarian curiculum
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it is easy to prove it is NOT
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The Renewal of Israel

16 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying: 17 “Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity. 18 Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it. 19 So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds. 20 When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name—when they said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord, and yet they have gone out of His land.’ 21 But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.

22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. 29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 31 Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. 32 Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”
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It is my opinion that it has not been fulfilled yet. It is a fallacy to call Judah Israel since the Bible makes the distinction between the House of Israel and the House of Judah since Solomons times.
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So what are they?
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for a desert start with eze chapter 36
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Are you saying you believe the physical land of Israel will be destroyed and that the real Isralites will move there to reclaim and build up the land eventually?
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I AM SAYING READ EZE CHP 36
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

I have read it. I'm asking you if that is your interpretation and meaning of what it says.

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