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Waiting for some scholar to prove 1948 was the prophesied restoration of ISRAEL

 
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16 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying: 17 “Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity. 18 Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it. 19 So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds. 20 When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name—when they said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord, and yet they have gone out of His land.’ 21 But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.

22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. 29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 31 Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. 32 Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”
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It is my opinion that it has not been fulfilled yet. It is a fallacy to call Judah Israel since the Bible makes the distinction between the House of Israel and the House of Judah since Solomons times.
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But there are prophecy's from the books of Zephaniah and Zachariah that Judah will be in the land just before Yeshua returns.
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Please I beg of you bring on your seminarian curiculum
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you are a fool.You are a deceiver who when you realise you are wrong you adopt someone elses writings then you deny you were wrong.You lie and you twist Scripture.
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16 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying: 17 “Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity. 18 Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it. 19 So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds. 20 When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name—when they said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord, and yet they have gone out of His land.’ 21 But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.

22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. 29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 31 Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. 32 Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”
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Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 11/16/2012 04:43 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Please I beg of you bring on your seminarian curiculum
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you are a fool.You are a deceiver who when you realise you are wrong you adopt someone elses writings then you deny you were wrong.You lie and you twist Scripture.
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Noted
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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The Renewal of Israel

16 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying: 17 “Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity. 18 Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it. 19 So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds. 20 When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name—when they said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord, and yet they have gone out of His land.’ 21 But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.

22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. 29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 31 Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. 32 Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”
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It is my opinion that it has not been fulfilled yet. It is a fallacy to call Judah Israel since the Bible makes the distinction between the House of Israel and the House of Judah since Solomons times.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27752303


But there are prophecy's from the books of Zephaniah and Zachariah that Judah will be in the land just before Yeshua returns.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27752303


that is because there is an exodus of the the children of israel where the rivers will split in seven parts and some will be in her boarders
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Gotta love the out-of-context shuffle ;)

Here's some you may have missed. . .

Malachi 1

1 The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.

2 “I have loved you,” says the Lord.
“Yet you say, ‘In what way have You loved us?’
Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?”
Says the Lord.
“Yet Jacob I have loved;

3 But Esau I have hated,
And laid waste his mountains and his heritage
For the jackals of the wilderness.”

4 Even though Edom has said,
“We have been impoverished,
But we will return and build the desolate places,”
Thus says the Lord of hosts:
“They may build, but I will throw down;
They shall be called the Territory of Wickedness,
And the people against whom the Lord will have indignation forever.


5 Your eyes shall see,
And you shall say,
‘The Lord is magnified beyond the border of Israel.’

6 “A son honors his father,
And a servant his master.
If then I am the Father,
Where is My honor?
And if I am a Master,
Where is My reverence?
Says the Lord of hosts
To you priests who despise My name.
Yet you say, ‘In what way have we despised Your name?’

7 “You offer defiled food on My altar,
But say,
‘In what way have we defiled You?’
By saying,
‘The table of the Lord is contemptible.’

8 And when you offer the blind as a sacrifice,
Is it not evil?
And when you offer the lame and sick,
Is it not evil?
Offer it then to your governor!
Would he be pleased with you?
Would he accept you favorably?”
Says the Lord of hosts.

9 “But now entreat God’s favor,
That He may be gracious to us.
While this is being done by your hands,
Will He accept you favorably?”
Says the Lord of hosts.

10 “Who is there even among you who would shut the doors,
So that you would not kindle fire on My altar in vain?
I have no pleasure in you,”
Says the Lord of hosts,
“Nor will I accept an offering from your hands.

11 For from the rising of the sun, even to its going down,
My name shall be great among the Gentiles;
In every place incense shall be offered to My name,
And a pure offering;
For My name shall be great among the nations,”
Says the Lord of hosts.

12 “But you profane it,
In that you say,
‘The table of the Lord is defiled;
And its fruit, its food, is contemptible.’

13 You also say,
‘Oh, what a weariness!’
And you sneer at it,”
Says the Lord of hosts.
“And you bring the stolen, the lame, and the sick;
Thus you bring an offering!
Should I accept this from your hand?”
Says the Lord.

14 “But cursed be the deceiver
Who has in his flock a male,
And takes a vow,
But sacrifices to the Lord what is blemished—
For I am a great King,”
Says the Lord of hosts,
“And My name is to be feared among the nations.
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16 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying: 17 “Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity. 18 Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it. 19 So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds. 20 When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name—when they said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord, and yet they have gone out of His land.’ 21 But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.

22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. 29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 31 Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. 32 Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27752303


It is my opinion that it has not been fulfilled yet. It is a fallacy to call Judah Israel since the Bible makes the distinction between the House of Israel and the House of Judah since Solomons times.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27752303


But there are prophecy's from the books of Zephaniah and Zachariah that Judah will be in the land just before Yeshua returns.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27752303


that is because there is an exodus of the the children of israel where the rivers will split in seven parts and some will be in her boarders
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


What?
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The Renewal of Israel

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27752303


Gotta love the out-of-context shuffle ;)

Here's some you may have missed. . .

Malachi 1

1 The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.

2 “I have loved you,” says the Lord.
“Yet you say, ‘In what way have You loved us?’
Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?”
Says the Lord.
“Yet Jacob I have loved;

3 But Esau I have hated,
And laid waste his mountains and his heritage
For the jackals of the wilderness.”

4 Even though Edom has said,
“We have been impoverished,
But we will return and build the desolate places,”
Thus says the Lord of hosts:
“They may build, but I will throw down;
They shall be called the Territory of Wickedness,
And the people against whom the Lord will have indignation forever.


5 Your eyes shall see,
And you shall say,
‘The Lord is magnified beyond the border of Israel.’

6 “A son honors his father,
And a servant his master.
If then I am the Father,
Where is My honor?
And if I am a Master,
Where is My reverence?
Says the Lord of hosts
To you priests who despise My name.
Yet you say, ‘In what way have we despised Your name?’

7 “You offer defiled food on My altar,
But say,
‘In what way have we defiled You?’
By saying,
‘The table of the Lord is contemptible.’

8 And when you offer the blind as a sacrifice,
Is it not evil?
And when you offer the lame and sick,
Is it not evil?
Offer it then to your governor!
Would he be pleased with you?
Would he accept you favorably?”
Says the Lord of hosts.

9 “But now entreat God’s favor,
That He may be gracious to us.
While this is being done by your hands,
Will He accept you favorably?”
Says the Lord of hosts.

10 “Who is there even among you who would shut the doors,
So that you would not kindle fire on My altar in vain?
I have no pleasure in you,”
Says the Lord of hosts,
“Nor will I accept an offering from your hands.

11 For from the rising of the sun, even to its going down,
My name shall be great among the Gentiles;
In every place incense shall be offered to My name,
And a pure offering;
For My name shall be great among the nations,”
Says the Lord of hosts.

12 “But you profane it,
In that you say,
‘The table of the Lord is defiled;
And its fruit, its food, is contemptible.’

13 You also say,
‘Oh, what a weariness!’
And you sneer at it,”
Says the Lord of hosts.
“And you bring the stolen, the lame, and the sick;
Thus you bring an offering!
Should I accept this from your hand?”
Says the Lord.

14 “But cursed be the deceiver
Who has in his flock a male,
And takes a vow,
But sacrifices to the Lord what is blemished—
For I am a great King,”
Says the Lord of hosts,
“And My name is to be feared among the nations.
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How exactly is it out of context? And what is your point with the wall of scripture that you have posted?
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4 Even though Edom has said,
“We have been impoverished,
But we will return and build the desolate places,”
Thus says the Lord of hosts:
“They may build, but I will throw down;
They shall be called the Territory of Wickedness,
And the people against whom the Lord will have indignation forever.

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From Israel's Declaration of Independence:

<< After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom. >>
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It is my opinion that it has not been fulfilled yet. It is a fallacy to call Judah Israel since the Bible makes the distinction between the House of Israel and the House of Judah since Solomons times.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27752303


But there are prophecy's from the books of Zephaniah and Zachariah that Judah will be in the land just before Yeshua returns.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27752303


that is because there is an exodus of the the children of israel where the rivers will split in seven parts and some will be in her boarders
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


What?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27752303


Jer 16:14-16: “'Therefore see, the days are coming,' declares Yahuah, when it is no longer said, ‘Yahuah lives who brought up the children of Yisrael from the land of Mitsrayim,’
but, ‘Yahuah lives who brought up the children of Yisrael from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them.’ For I shall bring them back into their land I gave to their fathers.
'See, I am sending for many fishermen,' declares Yahuah, 'and they shall fish them. And after that I shall send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain and every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.'"
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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4 Even though Edom has said,
“We have been impoverished,
But we will return and build the desolate places,”
Thus says the Lord of hosts:
“They may build, but I will throw down;
They shall be called the Territory of Wickedness,
And the people against whom the Lord will have indignation forever.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


From Israel's Declaration of Independence:

<< After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom. >>
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That has nothing to do with Judah but with Edom.

From Israel's Declaration of Independence:

<< After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom. >>

And that is talking about their exile to Babylon.
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So how many of these verses refer to the return from the babylonian captivity, and how many refer to the diaspora that occurred after the Bar Kokhba revolt that ended Israel in 135 A.D. ?
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4 Even though Edom has said,
“We have been impoverished,
But we will return and build the desolate places,”
Thus says the Lord of hosts:
“They may build, but I will throw down;
They shall be called the Territory of Wickedness,
And the people against whom the Lord will have indignation forever.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


From Israel's Declaration of Independence:

<< After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom. >>
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


That has nothing to do with Judah but with Edom.

From Israel's Declaration of Independence:

<< After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom. >>

And that is talking about their exile to Babylon.
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I dont understand why you quoting from the declaration of independence

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 11/16/2012 05:00 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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That has nothing to do with Judah but with Edom.
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Absolutely. Take a wild guess who's been playing dress up for the last century? After all, Esau got screwed by Jacob's underhanded masquerade, and because God is far and we reap what we sow, the tables have been turned. That's Esau/Edom we're watching over there. They can call themselves "Israel" all they want, but Christ said we'll know them by their fruit.
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But there are prophecy's from the books of Zephaniah and Zachariah that Judah will be in the land just before Yeshua returns.
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that is because there is an exodus of the the children of israel where the rivers will split in seven parts and some will be in her boarders
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


What?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27752303


Jer 16:14-16: “'Therefore see, the days are coming,' declares Yahuah, when it is no longer said, ‘Yahuah lives who brought up the children of Yisrael from the land of Mitsrayim,’
but, ‘Yahuah lives who brought up the children of Yisrael from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them.’ For I shall bring them back into their land I gave to their fathers.
'See, I am sending for many fishermen,' declares Yahuah, 'and they shall fish them. And after that I shall send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain and every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.'"
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


But the Bible doesn't say some will be there but the whole tribe of Judah.
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4 Even though Edom has said,
“We have been impoverished,
But we will return and build the desolate places,”
Thus says the Lord of hosts:
“They may build, but I will throw down;
They shall be called the Territory of Wickedness,
And the people against whom the Lord will have indignation forever.

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From Israel's Declaration of Independence:

<< After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom. >>
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That has nothing to do with Judah but with Edom.

From Israel's Declaration of Independence:

<< After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom. >>

And that is talking about their exile to Babylon.
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I dont understand why you quoting from the declaration of independence
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That other ac posted it, I was only quoting him.
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That has nothing to do with Judah but with Edom.
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Absolutely. Take a wild guess who's been playing dress up for the last century? After all, Esau got screwed by Jacob's underhanded masquerade, and because God is far and we reap what we sow, the tables have been turned. That's Esau/Edom we're watching over there. They can call themselves "Israel" all they want, but Christ said we'll know them by their fruit.
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I agree with you but be mindful and your pastors dont teach you this ..Jacobs mother had a visitation from God AND TOLD HER WHICH ONE OF THE SONS HAD TO GET THE BLESSING.

She had to do whatever it took because isaac was bent on giving it to ESAU

JACOB EVEN ASKED HER ABOUT THE ACTION SHE TOOK AND SHE SAID LET THE SIN BE ON ME..BECAUSE SHE HAD HEARD FROM GOD AND FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS


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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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That has nothing to do with Judah but with Edom.
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Absolutely. Take a wild guess who's been playing dress up for the last century? After all, Esau got screwed by Jacob's underhanded masquerade, and because God is far and we reap what we sow, the tables have been turned. That's Esau/Edom we're watching over there. They can call themselves "Israel" all they want, but Christ said we'll know them by their fruit.
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Here let me help you understand better.

REASON 1: FULFILLMENT OF ZEPHANIAH'S PROPHECY
Zephaniah chapter two begins with statements clearly indicating it is a "latter day" prophecy. Verse two sets the time-frame of this chapter as being just "before the day of the Lord's anger," and verse three reiterates that this prophecy applies to the time just prior to "the Day of the Lord." Verses 4 - 5 pronounce "woe" upon the cities and inhabitants "of the seacoast," and it clear that the "seacoast" of Palestine is being discussed due to the mention of the cities of Gaza, Ashdod, and Ekron. Verse seven describes the "woe" that will befall these people (also called "Cherethites" and "Philistines" in verse 5) in the following prophecy of God: "the coast shall be for the remnant of Judah; they shall feed thereupon; in the houses of Ashkelon shall they lie down in the evening; for the Lord their God shall visit them, and turn away their captivity." (Emphasis added.)
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This prophecy clearly states that God will give the historic land of the Philistines (Palestine) to "Judah" just prior to the "Day of the Lord." It furthermore indicates that God was not going to "turn away [Judah's] captivity" until just prior to the Day of the Lord. The phrase "turn away their captivity" is a bit clumsy; it simply means "end their captivity." In 1948, the Jewish nation called Israel was born in the "seacoast" region of old Palestine, fulfilling this prophecy. Indeed, the 1988 Edition of the Encyclopedia Americana notes this about Israel's population: "About 70% of it is concentrated in the Mediterranean coastal strip..."] This is exactly what Zephaniah 2 prophesied would occur to Judah in the latter days.
Because the Jews had been a stateless people scattered among the nations for centuries (even millennia), the prophecy's language that their captivity would be "turned away" (i.e. "ended") is very descriptive of the fate of the Jews, a people who had not had their own nation for a very long time.
Furthermore, we must accept the fact that God, in his perfect knowledge, has always known where "the house of Judah" was! The historic fact is that God chose to use modern Jews to fulfill this prophecy about "the house of Judah." This is powerful evidence that modern Jews are the modern house of Judah. Zephaniah 2:6 also prophesies that agricultural pursuits were to prosper when the "house of Judah" reestablished a nation in Palestine, and much has been written documenting that the Israelis have "made the desert bloom" with their innovative, high-tech agricultural efforts.
A prophecy in Zechariah 14 supports the above analysis of Zephaniah 2. Zechariah 14:1 begins with "Behold the Day of the Lord cometh..." This is the same time frame as Zephaniah 2 (just prior to the Day of the Lord). Zechariah 14:2-3 prophesies that "all nations" will be gathered to battle in the region of Jerusalem, and that the Lord will come to fight against the nations attacking Jerusalem when "his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives." Christians understand this to be a prophecy of the second coming of Jesus Christ, and verse five adds that the Lord will bring "all the saints" with him (an obvious reference to the resurrection of the dead). The rest of the chapter gives more information about this climactic battle and the establishment of the Lord's rule on earth. Verse 14 states: "Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem." None of the other tribes of Israel is specifically mentioned in this prophecy, but "Judah" is there in sufficiently large numbers to warrant God's mentioning them by name. This is consistent with Zephaniah's prophecy that Judah will build a nation in Palestine in the latter days. Zechariah's prophecy indicates that Judah will be fighting to defend Jerusalem in a great war which climaxes with the return of the Conquering Messiah! What people now live in and have sovereignty over the city of Jerusalem? The Jews! Again, Bible prophecies for the latter days indicate that modern Jews are the house (or tribe) of Judah.
To conclude this point, it is acknowledged that placing the name "Israel" on the modern Jewish nation is a misnomer which causes much confusion to many students of the Bible. The Jewish state was named after the historical land of Israel, even though the people establishing the nation were from the house of Judah, not the house of Israel (the descendants of the ten tribes of Israel). A prophecy in Ezekiel 37:15-28 confirms that "Judah" and "Israel" will remain separate entities on the earth until they are reunited under a resurrected King David after the return of Christ.
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REASON 2: THE JEWS ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN PEOPLE
Some material sent to me argues that "the Jews can't be an Israelite tribe because they did not become Christians like the rest of the tribes." In fact, there is a biblical prophecy which foretells that "Judah" will not "become Christian" until Jesus Christ returns as the "Conquering Messiah" (this terminology reflects the Christian viewpoint of Messianic prophecies).
Zechariah 12 is a prophecy devoted to the reaction of the house of Judah (and Levi, a large percentage of whom remained with Judah) when the Messiah returns and saves them from imminent destruction. Many times the phrase "in that day" is repeated in this chapter, a phrase indicating the general time of the latter days and/or the Day of the Lord. Verse two prophesies that God "will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling to all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege against Judah and Jerusalem." This parallels Zechariah 14 which speaks of a time when "all nations are gathered against Jerusalem." Notice that many nations are besieging "Judah and Jerusalem." The Bible presents "Judah and Jerusalem" as so closely linked with each other in the latter days that they are mentioned together. This has happened as the Israelis have made Jerusalem the capital of the Jewish state, and Jerusalem has become a "cup of trembling" (a major flashpoint) in world politics. Verse six prophesies that God will make: "...the governors of Judah like a hearth of fire among the wood...and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem."
God prophesies that "Judah" would be a militarily victorious nation in the Middle East (the geographic setting of this entire chapter is the region around Jerusalem) during the latter days. This prophecy also indicates that Judah will "devour" the people who border them ("devour" indicates not just conquering people but an absorbing of their territory as well). This has been dramatically fulfilled by the Israelis in the Arab-Israeli wars of 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973; the Israelis conquered ("devoured") territory all around them, taking control of the Egyptian Sinai, Syria's Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip and Jordan's West Bank. Some of this territory has been bartered away as part of the "Mideast Peace Process," but the prophecy was fulfilled nonetheless.
This prophecy also indicates a time will come when God will intervene personally to "save Judah" and "defend Jerusalem" (verses seven and eight). Zechariah 14 prophesies that Judah and Jerusalem will be invaded just prior to the Lord's return, and the phrase "Mount of Olives" in Zechariah 14:4 confirm the setting is the geographical city of Jerusalem in the modern Jewish nation. This chapter parallels Acts 1:9-12 which states Jesus Christ ascended to heaven from the "mount called 0livet" (the Mount of Olives), and as He ascended to heaven an angel announced that He would return "in like manner." Revelation 16:12-16 shows an invading army headed by "the kings of the east" will march westward toward Jerusalem across the Euphrates River toward the valley of Megiddo (i.e. "Armageddon") in the Israeli nation.[1]
Zechariah 12:9 prophesies the Messiah will "destroy" the nations that come against Jerusalem, and verses 10-14 reveal some surprising information. Judah, the house of David,
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"the inhabitants of Jerusalem," and the Levites (all these groups are part of the house of Judah) are astounded and dismayed at the identity of their Messiah!
The God of the Bible who inspired this prophecy declares that "Judah" (the Jews) will "look upon me whom they have pierced," and will "mourn" for him as for an "only son" as God gives them "the spirit of grace and supplication." This prophecy indicates that "Judah" and "Levi" will not accept or recognize Jesus Christ as the Messiah until he rescues them from an invading army at the culmination of this age. Judah never accepted Jesus Christ when he came as the "suffering Messiah," but they will accept him when he returns as the "conquering Messiah."
This prophecy further answers the question of who is modern Judah. Did the Jewish leadership of Judea (the Sanhedrin) cause Jesus Christ (Yeshua the "Anointed One") to be "pierced" by the Romans when He was crucified? Yes. His hands and his side were "pierced" in the crucifixion process (John 19:34, 20:25). Do modern Jews now live in the area of Jerusalem, and are they non-Christian? Yes. Does Zechariah 12's prophecy support the view that modern, non-Christian Jews living in the Jerusalem region are the descendants of "Judah" and "Levi?" Yes. Therefore, does God's Word indicate that today's Jews are the modern "house of Judah?" Yes!
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that is because there is an exodus of the the children of israel where the rivers will split in seven parts and some will be in her boarders
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What?
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Jer 16:14-16: “'Therefore see, the days are coming,' declares Yahuah, when it is no longer said, ‘Yahuah lives who brought up the children of Yisrael from the land of Mitsrayim,’
but, ‘Yahuah lives who brought up the children of Yisrael from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them.’ For I shall bring them back into their land I gave to their fathers.
'See, I am sending for many fishermen,' declares Yahuah, 'and they shall fish them. And after that I shall send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain and every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.'"
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But the Bible doesn't say some will be there but the whole tribe of Judah.
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eventually when the land is restored and that is at the coming of messiah...got to joel chapter 2
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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REASON 3: FULFILLMENT OF GENESIS 49'S PROPHECY
Genesis 49 contains prophecies about the identities and roles of each of the tribes of Israel in the latter days. The prophecies about the tribes of the house of Israel (the northern ten tribes) are extensively discussed in chapter 11 of my book, The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found! (Order from www.ChristianReality.com), but little was said about Judah as "Judah" was not the subject of that book. If this was an oversight, it will now be remedied. Genesis 49:8-12 states (emphasis added throughout):
“Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee. Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion; and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: his eyes shall be red with wine and his teeth white with milk."
This prophecy reveals much information about modern Judah. To begin with, there is a seeming paradox in this prophecy: Judah is referred to as both a "lion's whelp" and "as an old lion." However, this actually fits the modern Jews/Israelis very well. The term "lion's whelp" (a young cub) predicts Judah will be a young (or recently-born) nation in the latter days: a fitting description of the young Israeli nation which was founded in 1948. This prophecy is very consistent with Zephaniah 2, which prophesied Judah would found a nation in Palestine just prior to "the Day of the Lord." Yet, the Jews are also a people with a continuous history traceable for over three millennia, and they also had a nation in Palestine in ancient times (i.e.
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"as an old lion"). The Jews/Israelis fulfill this prophecy as they are a very young nation which was founded by a people with an ancient tradition and heritage.
Genesis 49:8-9 states Judah's "hand shall be in the neck of thy enemies," and refers to Judah "as a lion going up from the prey." This prophecy foretells that Judah will be an aggressive nation and victorious in warfare during the latter days, conquering its enemies like a lion brings down its prey. This has been amply fulfilled by Israeli victories in its wars, and this prophecy meshes perfectly with Zechariah 12:6's prophecy which states Judah would "devour" her enemies in the latter days. Not only have the Israelis been successful in warfare, they have leaped out at their enemies even as a lion leaps and stretches out toward its intended prey. The Israelis do not "run and hide" like a prey animal; they attack like a predator. They leaped out to attack their enemies in the 1976 raid on Entebbe, Uganda, and in their destruction of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981 via a bold air strike.
Surprisingly, after predicting military prowess for Judah, Genesis 49 next prophesies agricultural success for latter-day Judah. Notice the agricultural words printed in bold type in the above prophecy. Verses 11-12 predict Judah's agricultural success in the latter days, and the Israelis have truly "made the desert bloom" by applying advanced Western technology in an inherently dry climate. Confirming this fact, the Encyclopedia Americana notes that "of the goods exported [by Israel] in the mid-1980's about one-third were agricultural..."[2] Genesis 49:11-12 parallels Zephaniah 2:6's prophecy, further illustrating the consistency of the Bible's prophecies about Judah in the latter days.
Genesis 49:1 also prophesies: "Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise." This has been fulfilled in the fact that modern Christendom widely regards the Jews as "the chosen people." Ironically, many of the Christians who regard the Jews as "the chosen people" are themselves Israelites (members of the ten tribes of Israel). Indeed, Christians have labeled the Jews as "the chosen people" even though the Jews have clearly inherited none of the birthright blessings promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! It is the descendants of Ephraim and Manasseh (the British and Americans) who inherited the birthright promises of population growth, national wealth, empires, and control of strategic geographical "gates." These facts are documented in my book: The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found! (Order from www.ChristianReality.com). Why have the other tribes acknowledged Judah's Israelite heritage even though they have lost sight of their own? Because the Jews have preserved identifiably biblical customs such as the Sabbath, the holydays of Leviticus 23, and a diet avoiding "unclean" meats such as pork and shellfish. If the descendants of the ten tribes had also retained these biblical customs throughout history, their Israelite heritage would never have become obscured.
It is further prophesied in Genesis 49:8 that: "thy father's children [the other tribes of Israel] shall bow down to thee." This is explained in verse 10, which states: "the scepter [a symbol of kings] shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come: and unto him shall the gathering [hope, expectation] of the people be."
Beginning with the dynasty founded by Kings David and Solomon, there have always been Israelites of the various tribes ruled by monarchs descended from David and Solomon.
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This is examined more in the next section (and at length in my book), but the fact that the hereditary ruling houses of Europe can be traced to Davidic kings who once ruled over Scythian kingdoms and the widespread Parthian Empire of the ten tribes [in Asia] fulfills the prophecy of Genesis 49:3 and 10. The ancestry of the kings of England can be continuously traced to the ancient kings of Judah via the royal houses of Ireland and Scotland[3], and the seed of David was spread throughout the royal houses of Europe by frequent intermarriages among Europe's royalty.
Genesis 49:10 also prophesies that Judah will have kings ruling over the other tribes of Israel "until Shiloh come." This is a Messianic prophecy which predicts that David's bloodline will be present in the royal houses of the Israelite nations until the coming of the Messiah (Yeshua the Anointed One or Jesus Christ). Even though Europe's remaining royalty now have largely ceremonial roles, the prophecy has still been fulfilled. And, finally, it is the coming of the Messiah toward which the "hope" or "expectation" of both Christians and Jews is directed.
We see that the modern Jews and Israelis have fulfilled Genesis 49's prophecy about Judah in the latter days (in fact, no other people on earth do so). All prophecies about Judah in the latter days point to and are fulfilled by modern Jews/Israelis. Secular evidence supporting this identification follows in the next section.

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That has nothing to do with Judah but with Edom.
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Absolutely. Take a wild guess who's been playing dress up for the last century? After all, Esau got screwed by Jacob's underhanded masquerade, and because God is far and we reap what we sow, the tables have been turned. That's Esau/Edom we're watching over there. They can call themselves "Israel" all they want, but Christ said we'll know them by their fruit.
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I agree with you but be mindful and your pastors dont teach you this ..Jacobs mother had a visitation from God AND TOLD HER WHICH ONE OF THE SONS HAD TO GET THE BLESSING.

She had to do whatever it took because isaac was bent on giving it to ESAU

JACOB EVEN ASKED HER ABOUT THE ACTION SHE TOOK AND SHE SAID LET THE SIN BE ON ME..BECAUSE SHE HAD HEARD FROM GOD AND FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS


Be mindful of this
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I'm not familiar with that aspect of the story, but the notion of "doing whatever it takes" does not have a very good track record as far as God is concerned. There are both lawful and unlawful ways to do things. Scripture is full of such examples, and deceit is generally frowned upon, yes?
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What?
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Jer 16:14-16: “'Therefore see, the days are coming,' declares Yahuah, when it is no longer said, ‘Yahuah lives who brought up the children of Yisrael from the land of Mitsrayim,’
but, ‘Yahuah lives who brought up the children of Yisrael from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them.’ For I shall bring them back into their land I gave to their fathers.
'See, I am sending for many fishermen,' declares Yahuah, 'and they shall fish them. And after that I shall send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain and every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.'"
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But the Bible doesn't say some will be there but the whole tribe of Judah.
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eventually when the land is restored and that is at the coming of messiah...got to joel chapter 2
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No the Bibles makes it clear that they will be in the land when Messiah returns and that they will not be a Christian people. Check out the posts I made and the land is restored, it also shows how the Jewish people fulfilled prophecies with regards to agriculture.
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You can't argue with Prophecy. The Jews/Judah have fulfilled all these prophecies. I do believe that there are many convert Jews in 'Israel' now but that the bulk make up the tribe of Judah and the Lord himself will separate them.
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I personally think the Muslims are fighting a losing battle!


I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel,
and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them;
they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine,
and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit.
I will plant them on their land,
and they shall never again be uprooted
out of the land that I have given them,”
says the LORD your God
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(Amos 9:14-15 ESV)
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Here ya go OP. Math and all.


Ezekiel’s Vision
of the Rebirth of Israel in 1948
Ezekiel’s prophecy of the rebirth of Israel in 1948 and its precise fulfillment in our generation on
May 15, 1948 is one of the greatest fulfillments of Bible prophecy in history. Twenty-five centuries ago,
while he was a slave during the Babylonian Captivity, (606 – 536 BC), the Lord revealed to the prophet
Ezekiel, the precise year – 1948 – when Israel would finally be restored to the Promised Land.. The
Jew’s eternal relationship to the Holy Land is a major theme of Bible prophecy. In the Bible, times were
specified in precise detail regarding the duration of the time when the Jews were to be exiled from the
Promised Land and when God will allow them to return to the Holy Land.
The First Captivity – (Egyptian) – 430 years
The Lord prophesied to Abraham precisely when the Jews would return from Egypt from their
First Captivity that lasted 430 years of captivity in Egypt (Genesis 15:13; Exodus 12:40-41).
The Second Captivity (Babylonian) – 70 years
Similarly, the Second Captivity of 70 years in Babylon, as prophesied in Jeremiah 25:11,
ended precisely in 536 BC when the Jews returned to Jerusalem as decreed by the Persian king Cyrus
the Great.
The Third Captivity (Worldwide) – 2520 years
The Scriptures contain numerous prophecies about the final return of the Jewish exiles to their
Promised Land in the "last days." Ezekiel was taken to Babylon as a captive. Ezekiel was aware of
Jeremiah’s prophecy (Jeremiah 25:11) that the Jew’s captivity in Babylon would last seventy years.
However, Ezekiel received another prophecy concerning God’s judgment upon the Jew’s disobedience and
the precise duration of the remaining Jewish exile from their Promised Land.
"This shall be a sign to the house of Israel. Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of
the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear
their iniquity. For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days,
three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast
accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty
days: I have appointed thee each day for a year" (Ezekiel 4:3-6).
As Ezekiel lay on his right side for a few hours for 390 days and then for 40 days on his right side
the Jews in Babylon learned of God’s remarkable prophecy. God revealed that every day stood for one
biblical year. Therefore, Israel would be punished for a period of 390 years plus an additional 40 years as
a result of their disobedience to God’s commands, totaling 430 years. God declared that Israel would be
punished by a worldwide exile for 430 years (390
+ 40 years = 430 years). However, as prophesied by Jeremiah, the seventy year long Babylonian
Captivity, which began with Nebuchadnezzar’s capture of Jerusalem in 606 B.C., ended in the spring of
536 B.C., in the month Nisan (March/April), when only a small remnant of the Jews (42,360) returned to
Jerusalem (Ezra 1:1-3) under the decree of Cyrus the Great.
However, the vast majority of the Jewish exiles chose to remain in the pagan Persian Empire as
colonists and tradesmen. Naturally, most Jews who were born and had grown up in Babylon had little
desire to leave their farms and businesses to return to a desolate Jewish homeland. Most Jews in Babylon
did not repent of their rebellion against God and chose to remain in the pagan Babylonian Empire.
Out of God’s total decreed future punishment of 430 years for Israel's and Judah's sins (390 years
plus 40 years = 430 years). First, we must deduct the 70 years of the Babylonian captivity, which Ezekiel
and the Jewish exiles were already enduring, which ended in the spring of 536 B.C. Therefore: (430 years
minus the 70 years in Babylon = 360 years). This indicates that a further period of 360 years of additional
exile remained for the Jews following the end of the Babylonian Captivity in 536 B.C.
Ezekiel’s Prophecy of the End of Israel’s Exile
However, a careful study of the history of Israel cannot reveal any significant event that
corresponds to this period of 360 years of additional punishment, either at the end of the 430 years or at
the end of the 360 years beginning from the end of the Babylonian Captivity in 536 BC. The majority (95%)
of the Jews never returned from Babylon to Israel. In fact, even the minority of the 42,360 Jews (Ezra
2:64) who did return did so with very little faith or true repentance. Most of the Jewish exiles failed to
repent of their spiritual rebellion against God and they chose to remain in pagan Babylon.
Ezekiel’s unusual prophecy revealed the precise duration of the Jewish exiles worldwide Diaspora
and the actual time of their prophesied return to the Promised Land in May 15, 1948. The solution to this
prophetic mystery was found in a divine principle revealed to Moses and recorded in Leviticus 26. In this
chapter the Lord established definite promises and punishments for Israel based on Israel’s subsequent
obedience or disobedience to His Divine commands. In four separate but repeated passages recorded in
Leviticus 26, God warned Israel that: if, after being punished for her sins, she still failed to repent of her
rebellion, the punishments previously declared by God would be multiplied seven times more (the number of
divine completion).
Moses declared God’s Divine principle of judgment if the Jews would not repent from their sinful
rebellion against God after already experiencing His Divine punishment: "And if ye will not yet for all this
hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins" (Leviticus 26:18; 26:21, 23-24, 27-
28).
In other words, if Israel did not repent of her sins after enduring God’s initial prophesied
punishment; the punishments previously predicted would now be prolonged or multiplied seven times: The
biblical record reveals that, tragically, even the 5 percent of the Jewish exiles who returned to Israel did not
truly repent of their rebellion.
Therefore, according to the Divine principle of multiplying the previous Divinely declared
punishment by seven times due to the Jew’s lack of repentance, God’s previously prophesied exile of
360 additional years to the unrepentant Jewish exiles, as recorded by Ezekiel, would now be multiplied
seven times more (Ezekiel 4:4-6; Lev. 26:18).
360 years of Exile x 7 = 2,520 biblical years of additional Exile for the Jews
The Biblical-Prophetic Year of 360 Days
The length of a biblical – prophetic year is 360 days: not the 365.25 days of our modern Julian
calendar solar year. In ancient biblical times, the Jewish year was a lunar-solar year, with 12 months of 30
days each, which contained only 360 days. The modern solar-calendar year contains 365.25 days. An article
on Chronology in the Encyclopedia Britannica, states that Abraham continued to use the 360-day year of his
Babylonian homeland when he migrated to Canaan.
The Genesis account of Noah's flood confirmed that the ancient peoples of the Middle East,
including the Hebrews, used a lunar-solar year of only 360 days with 12 months of 30 days each. Genesis
recorded that the five months from the beginning of the Flood on the 17th day of the second month till the
day the Ark rested on dry land, on the 17th day of the seventh month, lasted precisely 150 days. The five
months (30 days each) while the flood waters prevailed confirmed that the Bible used a 12 month year of
360 days. (Genesis 7:11; 8:3-4).
Sir Isaac Newton confirmed that the ancient biblical year of the Hebrews, Babylonians, and
Egyptians had only 360 days. Newton wrote in the Encyclopaedia Britannica (6th ed) that “all nations,
before the just length of the solar year was known, … in making calendars for their festivals, they
reckoned thirty days to a lunar month, and twelve lunar months to a year, taking the nearest round
numbers, whence came the division of the ecliptic into 360 degrees.”
To understand the precise fulfillment of prophecy, we need to calculate using the biblical lunar year
of 360 days. For example, in the book of Revelation John described the last three-and-one-half years of the
seven year Tribulation period when the Antichrist will persecute the “woman” (Israel) as lasting precisely
1,260 days (Rev. 12:6). John also described this period as: “a time and times and half a time” (Rev. 12:14).
A “time” equals a year of 360 days; “times” equals two years; and “half a time” equals half a year Similarly,
“forty-two months” of 30 days each equals the same 1260 days (Rev. 13:5). The book of Revelation and
Daniel’s prophecies (Dan. 7:25; 9:24-27; 12:7; 12:11) both confirm that the biblical year contained 360 days.
Therefore, Ezekiel’s prophecy revealed that the Jew’s final restoration to their Promised Land
would occur precisely 2,520 biblical years (of 360 days each) after the end of the Babylonian Captivity in the
spring of 536 B.C.
The end of the captivity in Babylon, according to the Bible and other historical sources – including
Flavius Josephus, occurred in the month of Nisan in the spring of 536 B.C. This date is the starting point for
our calculations: 2,520 biblical years x 360 = 907,200 days. Converting this period of 907,200 days into our
calendar year of 365.25 days: we divide the 907,200 days by 365.25 days and we calculate a total of
2,483.8 calendar or solar years. In these prophetic calculations we must keep in mind that there was only
one year between Passover in 1 B.C. and the next Passover in A.D. l.
Remember: There is NO Year Zero B.C.
Therefore, Ezekiel prophesied that the end of Israel's worldwide captivity would occur after a period
of 2,483.8 calendar years had elapsed following the beginning of the prophesied period of the Jewish exile
in the Spring of 536 B.C. [link to ixquick.com (secure)]
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That has nothing to do with Judah but with Edom.
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Absolutely. Take a wild guess who's been playing dress up for the last century? After all, Esau got screwed by Jacob's underhanded masquerade, and because God is far and we reap what we sow, the tables have been turned. That's Esau/Edom we're watching over there. They can call themselves "Israel" all they want, but Christ said we'll know them by their fruit.
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I agree with you but be mindful and your pastors dont teach you this ..Jacobs mother had a visitation from God AND TOLD HER WHICH ONE OF THE SONS HAD TO GET THE BLESSING.

She had to do whatever it took because isaac was bent on giving it to ESAU

JACOB EVEN ASKED HER ABOUT THE ACTION SHE TOOK AND SHE SAID LET THE SIN BE ON ME..BECAUSE SHE HAD HEARD FROM GOD AND FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS


Be mindful of this
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I'm not familiar with that aspect of the story, but the notion of "doing whatever it takes" does not have a very good track record as far as God is concerned. There are both lawful and unlawful ways to do things. Scripture is full of such examples, and deceit is generally frowned upon, yes?
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22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to inquire of the LORD.

23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Here ya go OP. Math and all.


Ezekiel’s Vision
of the Rebirth of Israel in 1948
Ezekiel’s prophecy of the rebirth of Israel in 1948 and its precise fulfillment in our generation on
May 15, 1948 is one of the greatest fulfillments of Bible prophecy in history. Twenty-five centuries ago,
while he was a slave during the Babylonian Captivity, (606 – 536 BC), the Lord revealed to the prophet
Ezekiel, the precise year – 1948 – when Israel would finally be restored to the Promised Land.. The
Jew’s eternal relationship to the Holy Land is a major theme of Bible prophecy. In the Bible, times were
specified in precise detail regarding the duration of the time when the Jews were to be exiled from the
Promised Land and when God will allow them to return to the Holy Land.
The First Captivity – (Egyptian) – 430 years
The Lord prophesied to Abraham precisely when the Jews would return from Egypt from their
First Captivity that lasted 430 years of captivity in Egypt (Genesis 15:13; Exodus 12:40-41).
The Second Captivity (Babylonian) – 70 years
Similarly, the Second Captivity of 70 years in Babylon, as prophesied in Jeremiah 25:11,
ended precisely in 536 BC when the Jews returned to Jerusalem as decreed by the Persian king Cyrus
the Great.
The Third Captivity (Worldwide) – 2520 years
The Scriptures contain numerous prophecies about the final return of the Jewish exiles to their
Promised Land in the "last days." Ezekiel was taken to Babylon as a captive. Ezekiel was aware of
Jeremiah’s prophecy (Jeremiah 25:11) that the Jew’s captivity in Babylon would last seventy years.
However, Ezekiel received another prophecy concerning God’s judgment upon the Jew’s disobedience and
the precise duration of the remaining Jewish exile from their Promised Land.
"This shall be a sign to the house of Israel. Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of
the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear
their iniquity. For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days,
three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast
accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty
days: I have appointed thee each day for a year" (Ezekiel 4:3-6).
As Ezekiel lay on his right side for a few hours for 390 days and then for 40 days on his right side
the Jews in Babylon learned of God’s remarkable prophecy. God revealed that every day stood for one
biblical year. Therefore, Israel would be punished for a period of 390 years plus an additional 40 years as
a result of their disobedience to God’s commands, totaling 430 years. God declared that Israel would be
punished by a worldwide exile for 430 years (390
+ 40 years = 430 years). However, as prophesied by Jeremiah, the seventy year long Babylonian
Captivity, which began with Nebuchadnezzar’s capture of Jerusalem in 606 B.C., ended in the spring of
536 B.C., in the month Nisan (March/April), when only a small remnant of the Jews (42,360) returned to
Jerusalem (Ezra 1:1-3) under the decree of Cyrus the Great.
However, the vast majority of the Jewish exiles chose to remain in the pagan Persian Empire as
colonists and tradesmen. Naturally, most Jews who were born and had grown up in Babylon had little
desire to leave their farms and businesses to return to a desolate Jewish homeland. Most Jews in Babylon
did not repent of their rebellion against God and chose to remain in the pagan Babylonian Empire.
Out of God’s total decreed future punishment of 430 years for Israel's and Judah's sins (390 years
plus 40 years = 430 years). First, we must deduct the 70 years of the Babylonian captivity, which Ezekiel
and the Jewish exiles were already enduring, which ended in the spring of 536 B.C. Therefore: (430 years
minus the 70 years in Babylon = 360 years). This indicates that a further period of 360 years of additional
exile remained for the Jews following the end of the Babylonian Captivity in 536 B.C.
Ezekiel’s Prophecy of the End of Israel’s Exile
However, a careful study of the history of Israel cannot reveal any significant event that
corresponds to this period of 360 years of additional punishment, either at the end of the 430 years or at
the end of the 360 years beginning from the end of the Babylonian Captivity in 536 BC. The majority (95%)
of the Jews never returned from Babylon to Israel. In fact, even the minority of the 42,360 Jews (Ezra
2:64) who did return did so with very little faith or true repentance. Most of the Jewish exiles failed to
repent of their spiritual rebellion against God and they chose to remain in pagan Babylon.
Ezekiel’s unusual prophecy revealed the precise duration of the Jewish exiles worldwide Diaspora
and the actual time of their prophesied return to the Promised Land in May 15, 1948. The solution to this
prophetic mystery was found in a divine principle revealed to Moses and recorded in Leviticus 26. In this
chapter the Lord established definite promises and punishments for Israel based on Israel’s subsequent
obedience or disobedience to His Divine commands. In four separate but repeated passages recorded in
Leviticus 26, God warned Israel that: if, after being punished for her sins, she still failed to repent of her
rebellion, the punishments previously declared by God would be multiplied seven times more (the number of
divine completion).
Moses declared God’s Divine principle of judgment if the Jews would not repent from their sinful
rebellion against God after already experiencing His Divine punishment: "And if ye will not yet for all this
hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins" (Leviticus 26:18; 26:21, 23-24, 27-
28).
In other words, if Israel did not repent of her sins after enduring God’s initial prophesied
punishment; the punishments previously predicted would now be prolonged or multiplied seven times: The
biblical record reveals that, tragically, even the 5 percent of the Jewish exiles who returned to Israel did not
truly repent of their rebellion.
Therefore, according to the Divine principle of multiplying the previous Divinely declared
punishment by seven times due to the Jew’s lack of repentance, God’s previously prophesied exile of
360 additional years to the unrepentant Jewish exiles, as recorded by Ezekiel, would now be multiplied
seven times more (Ezekiel 4:4-6; Lev. 26:18).
360 years of Exile x 7 = 2,520 biblical years of additional Exile for the Jews
The Biblical-Prophetic Year of 360 Days
The length of a biblical – prophetic year is 360 days: not the 365.25 days of our modern Julian
calendar solar year. In ancient biblical times, the Jewish year was a lunar-solar year, with 12 months of 30
days each, which contained only 360 days. The modern solar-calendar year contains 365.25 days. An article
on Chronology in the Encyclopedia Britannica, states that Abraham continued to use the 360-day year of his
Babylonian homeland when he migrated to Canaan.
The Genesis account of Noah's flood confirmed that the ancient peoples of the Middle East,
including the Hebrews, used a lunar-solar year of only 360 days with 12 months of 30 days each. Genesis
recorded that the five months from the beginning of the Flood on the 17th day of the second month till the
day the Ark rested on dry land, on the 17th day of the seventh month, lasted precisely 150 days. The five
months (30 days each) while the flood waters prevailed confirmed that the Bible used a 12 month year of
360 days. (Genesis 7:11; 8:3-4).
Sir Isaac Newton confirmed that the ancient biblical year of the Hebrews, Babylonians, and
Egyptians had only 360 days. Newton wrote in the Encyclopaedia Britannica (6th ed) that “all nations,
before the just length of the solar year was known, … in making calendars for their festivals, they
reckoned thirty days to a lunar month, and twelve lunar months to a year, taking the nearest round
numbers, whence came the division of the ecliptic into 360 degrees.”
To understand the precise fulfillment of prophecy, we need to calculate using the biblical lunar year
of 360 days. For example, in the book of Revelation John described the last three-and-one-half years of the
seven year Tribulation period when the Antichrist will persecute the “woman” (Israel) as lasting precisely
1,260 days (Rev. 12:6). John also described this period as: “a time and times and half a time” (Rev. 12:14).
A “time” equals a year of 360 days; “times” equals two years; and “half a time” equals half a year Similarly,
“forty-two months” of 30 days each equals the same 1260 days (Rev. 13:5). The book of Revelation and
Daniel’s prophecies (Dan. 7:25; 9:24-27; 12:7; 12:11) both confirm that the biblical year contained 360 days.
Therefore, Ezekiel’s prophecy revealed that the Jew’s final restoration to their Promised Land
would occur precisely 2,520 biblical years (of 360 days each) after the end of the Babylonian Captivity in the
spring of 536 B.C.
The end of the captivity in Babylon, according to the Bible and other historical sources – including
Flavius Josephus, occurred in the month of Nisan in the spring of 536 B.C. This date is the starting point for
our calculations: 2,520 biblical years x 360 = 907,200 days. Converting this period of 907,200 days into our
calendar year of 365.25 days: we divide the 907,200 days by 365.25 days and we calculate a total of
2,483.8 calendar or solar years. In these prophetic calculations we must keep in mind that there was only
one year between Passover in 1 B.C. and the next Passover in A.D. l.
Remember: There is NO Year Zero B.C.
Therefore, Ezekiel prophesied that the end of Israel's worldwide captivity would occur after a period
of 2,483.8 calendar years had elapsed following the beginning of the prophesied period of the Jewish exile
in the Spring of 536 B.C. [link to ixquick.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2313549


show me that israel is not a fenced city

show the wolf and the lamb laying together

show me peace

show me the twelve tribes in their own estate


all in your bible thsi is the sign of restoration


Did the messiah come and living amongst them?


let me know this exists in and I will be convinced


35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.

36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.

37 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.

38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Here ya go OP. Math and all.


Ezekiel’s Vision
of the Rebirth of Israel in 1948
Ezekiel’s prophecy of the rebirth of Israel in 1948 and its precise fulfillment in our generation on
May 15, 1948 is one of the greatest fulfillments of Bible prophecy in history. Twenty-five centuries ago,
while he was a slave during the Babylonian Captivity, (606 – 536 BC), the Lord revealed to the prophet
Ezekiel, the precise year – 1948 – when Israel would finally be restored to the Promised Land.. The
Jew’s eternal relationship to the Holy Land is a major theme of Bible prophecy. In the Bible, times were
specified in precise detail regarding the duration of the time when the Jews were to be exiled from the
Promised Land and when God will allow them to return to the Holy Land.
The First Captivity – (Egyptian) – 430 years
The Lord prophesied to Abraham precisely when the Jews would return from Egypt from their
First Captivity that lasted 430 years of captivity in Egypt (Genesis 15:13; Exodus 12:40-41).
The Second Captivity (Babylonian) – 70 years
Similarly, the Second Captivity of 70 years in Babylon, as prophesied in Jeremiah 25:11,
ended precisely in 536 BC when the Jews returned to Jerusalem as decreed by the Persian king Cyrus
the Great.
The Third Captivity (Worldwide) – 2520 years
The Scriptures contain numerous prophecies about the final return of the Jewish exiles to their
Promised Land in the "last days." Ezekiel was taken to Babylon as a captive. Ezekiel was aware of
Jeremiah’s prophecy (Jeremiah 25:11) that the Jew’s captivity in Babylon would last seventy years.
However, Ezekiel received another prophecy concerning God’s judgment upon the Jew’s disobedience and
the precise duration of the remaining Jewish exile from their Promised Land.
"This shall be a sign to the house of Israel. Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of
the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear
their iniquity. For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days,
three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast
accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty
days: I have appointed thee each day for a year" (Ezekiel 4:3-6).
As Ezekiel lay on his right side for a few hours for 390 days and then for 40 days on his right side
the Jews in Babylon learned of God’s remarkable prophecy. God revealed that every day stood for one
biblical year. Therefore, Israel would be punished for a period of 390 years plus an additional 40 years as
a result of their disobedience to God’s commands, totaling 430 years. God declared that Israel would be
punished by a worldwide exile for 430 years (390
+ 40 years = 430 years). However, as prophesied by Jeremiah, the seventy year long Babylonian
Captivity, which began with Nebuchadnezzar’s capture of Jerusalem in 606 B.C., ended in the spring of
536 B.C., in the month Nisan (March/April), when only a small remnant of the Jews (42,360) returned to
Jerusalem (Ezra 1:1-3) under the decree of Cyrus the Great.
However, the vast majority of the Jewish exiles chose to remain in the pagan Persian Empire as
colonists and tradesmen. Naturally, most Jews who were born and had grown up in Babylon had little
desire to leave their farms and businesses to return to a desolate Jewish homeland. Most Jews in Babylon
did not repent of their rebellion against God and chose to remain in the pagan Babylonian Empire.
Out of God’s total decreed future punishment of 430 years for Israel's and Judah's sins (390 years
plus 40 years = 430 years). First, we must deduct the 70 years of the Babylonian captivity, which Ezekiel
and the Jewish exiles were already enduring, which ended in the spring of 536 B.C. Therefore: (430 years
minus the 70 years in Babylon = 360 years). This indicates that a further period of 360 years of additional
exile remained for the Jews following the end of the Babylonian Captivity in 536 B.C.
Ezekiel’s Prophecy of the End of Israel’s Exile
However, a careful study of the history of Israel cannot reveal any significant event that
corresponds to this period of 360 years of additional punishment, either at the end of the 430 years or at
the end of the 360 years beginning from the end of the Babylonian Captivity in 536 BC. The majority (95%)
of the Jews never returned from Babylon to Israel. In fact, even the minority of the 42,360 Jews (Ezra
2:64) who did return did so with very little faith or true repentance. Most of the Jewish exiles failed to
repent of their spiritual rebellion against God and they chose to remain in pagan Babylon.
Ezekiel’s unusual prophecy revealed the precise duration of the Jewish exiles worldwide Diaspora
and the actual time of their prophesied return to the Promised Land in May 15, 1948. The solution to this
prophetic mystery was found in a divine principle revealed to Moses and recorded in Leviticus 26. In this
chapter the Lord established definite promises and punishments for Israel based on Israel’s subsequent
obedience or disobedience to His Divine commands. In four separate but repeated passages recorded in
Leviticus 26, God warned Israel that: if, after being punished for her sins, she still failed to repent of her
rebellion, the punishments previously declared by God would be multiplied seven times more (the number of
divine completion).
Moses declared God’s Divine principle of judgment if the Jews would not repent from their sinful
rebellion against God after already experiencing His Divine punishment: "And if ye will not yet for all this
hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins" (Leviticus 26:18; 26:21, 23-24, 27-
28).
In other words, if Israel did not repent of her sins after enduring God’s initial prophesied
punishment; the punishments previously predicted would now be prolonged or multiplied seven times: The
biblical record reveals that, tragically, even the 5 percent of the Jewish exiles who returned to Israel did not
truly repent of their rebellion.
Therefore, according to the Divine principle of multiplying the previous Divinely declared
punishment by seven times due to the Jew’s lack of repentance, God’s previously prophesied exile of
360 additional years to the unrepentant Jewish exiles, as recorded by Ezekiel, would now be multiplied
seven times more (Ezekiel 4:4-6; Lev. 26:18).
360 years of Exile x 7 = 2,520 biblical years of additional Exile for the Jews
The Biblical-Prophetic Year of 360 Days
The length of a biblical – prophetic year is 360 days: not the 365.25 days of our modern Julian
calendar solar year. In ancient biblical times, the Jewish year was a lunar-solar year, with 12 months of 30
days each, which contained only 360 days. The modern solar-calendar year contains 365.25 days. An article
on Chronology in the Encyclopedia Britannica, states that Abraham continued to use the 360-day year of his
Babylonian homeland when he migrated to Canaan.
The Genesis account of Noah's flood confirmed that the ancient peoples of the Middle East,
including the Hebrews, used a lunar-solar year of only 360 days with 12 months of 30 days each. Genesis
recorded that the five months from the beginning of the Flood on the 17th day of the second month till the
day the Ark rested on dry land, on the 17th day of the seventh month, lasted precisely 150 days. The five
months (30 days each) while the flood waters prevailed confirmed that the Bible used a 12 month year of
360 days. (Genesis 7:11; 8:3-4).
Sir Isaac Newton confirmed that the ancient biblical year of the Hebrews, Babylonians, and
Egyptians had only 360 days. Newton wrote in the Encyclopaedia Britannica (6th ed) that “all nations,
before the just length of the solar year was known, … in making calendars for their festivals, they
reckoned thirty days to a lunar month, and twelve lunar months to a year, taking the nearest round
numbers, whence came the division of the ecliptic into 360 degrees.”
To understand the precise fulfillment of prophecy, we need to calculate using the biblical lunar year
of 360 days. For example, in the book of Revelation John described the last three-and-one-half years of the
seven year Tribulation period when the Antichrist will persecute the “woman” (Israel) as lasting precisely
1,260 days (Rev. 12:6). John also described this period as: “a time and times and half a time” (Rev. 12:14).
A “time” equals a year of 360 days; “times” equals two years; and “half a time” equals half a year Similarly,
“forty-two months” of 30 days each equals the same 1260 days (Rev. 13:5). The book of Revelation and
Daniel’s prophecies (Dan. 7:25; 9:24-27; 12:7; 12:11) both confirm that the biblical year contained 360 days.
Therefore, Ezekiel’s prophecy revealed that the Jew’s final restoration to their Promised Land
would occur precisely 2,520 biblical years (of 360 days each) after the end of the Babylonian Captivity in the
spring of 536 B.C.
The end of the captivity in Babylon, according to the Bible and other historical sources – including
Flavius Josephus, occurred in the month of Nisan in the spring of 536 B.C. This date is the starting point for
our calculations: 2,520 biblical years x 360 = 907,200 days. Converting this period of 907,200 days into our
calendar year of 365.25 days: we divide the 907,200 days by 365.25 days and we calculate a total of
2,483.8 calendar or solar years. In these prophetic calculations we must keep in mind that there was only
one year between Passover in 1 B.C. and the next Passover in A.D. l.
Remember: There is NO Year Zero B.C.
Therefore, Ezekiel prophesied that the end of Israel's worldwide captivity would occur after a period
of 2,483.8 calendar years had elapsed following the beginning of the prophesied period of the Jewish exile
in the Spring of 536 B.C. [link to ixquick.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2313549


Nice!
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22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to inquire of the LORD.

23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


And you're citing this as justification for her arrangement of the sibling identity theft? I'm really not seeing it.
Plenty of people in scripture did "whatever it took", and time after time the whole thing went to shit: Sarah advising Abe to mate with Hagar for an heir, Saul consulting seers, etc. Over and over it's nothing more than the flesh trying to make things happen instead of trusting God to work it out in His way and His time. It's just more reliance on horses & chariots, which I think you'll agree has been a major theme in the news this week.

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