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Here ya go OP. Math and all.


Ezekiel’s Vision
of the Rebirth of Israel in 1948
Ezekiel’s prophecy of the rebirth of Israel in 1948 and its precise fulfillment in our generation on
May 15, 1948 is one of the greatest fulfillments of Bible prophecy in history. Twenty-five centuries ago,
while he was a slave during the Babylonian Captivity, (606 – 536 BC), the Lord revealed to the prophet
Ezekiel, the precise year – 1948 – when Israel would finally be restored to the Promised Land.. The
Jew’s eternal relationship to the Holy Land is a major theme of Bible prophecy. In the Bible, times were
specified in precise detail regarding the duration of the time when the Jews were to be exiled from the
Promised Land and when God will allow them to return to the Holy Land.
The First Captivity – (Egyptian) – 430 years
The Lord prophesied to Abraham precisely when the Jews would return from Egypt from their
First Captivity that lasted 430 years of captivity in Egypt (Genesis 15:13; Exodus 12:40-41).
The Second Captivity (Babylonian) – 70 years
Similarly, the Second Captivity of 70 years in Babylon, as prophesied in Jeremiah 25:11,
ended precisely in 536 BC when the Jews returned to Jerusalem as decreed by the Persian king Cyrus
the Great.
The Third Captivity (Worldwide) – 2520 years
The Scriptures contain numerous prophecies about the final return of the Jewish exiles to their
Promised Land in the "last days." Ezekiel was taken to Babylon as a captive. Ezekiel was aware of
Jeremiah’s prophecy (Jeremiah 25:11) that the Jew’s captivity in Babylon would last seventy years.
However, Ezekiel received another prophecy concerning God’s judgment upon the Jew’s disobedience and
the precise duration of the remaining Jewish exile from their Promised Land.
"This shall be a sign to the house of Israel. Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of
the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear
their iniquity. For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days,
three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast
accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty
days: I have appointed thee each day for a year" (Ezekiel 4:3-6).
As Ezekiel lay on his right side for a few hours for 390 days and then for 40 days on his right side
the Jews in Babylon learned of God’s remarkable prophecy. God revealed that every day stood for one
biblical year. Therefore, Israel would be punished for a period of 390 years plus an additional 40 years as
a result of their disobedience to God’s commands, totaling 430 years. God declared that Israel would be
punished by a worldwide exile for 430 years (390
+ 40 years = 430 years). However, as prophesied by Jeremiah, the seventy year long Babylonian
Captivity, which began with Nebuchadnezzar’s capture of Jerusalem in 606 B.C., ended in the spring of
536 B.C., in the month Nisan (March/April), when only a small remnant of the Jews (42,360) returned to
Jerusalem (Ezra 1:1-3) under the decree of Cyrus the Great.
However, the vast majority of the Jewish exiles chose to remain in the pagan Persian Empire as
colonists and tradesmen. Naturally, most Jews who were born and had grown up in Babylon had little
desire to leave their farms and businesses to return to a desolate Jewish homeland. Most Jews in Babylon
did not repent of their rebellion against God and chose to remain in the pagan Babylonian Empire.
Out of God’s total decreed future punishment of 430 years for Israel's and Judah's sins (390 years
plus 40 years = 430 years). First, we must deduct the 70 years of the Babylonian captivity, which Ezekiel
and the Jewish exiles were already enduring, which ended in the spring of 536 B.C. Therefore: (430 years
minus the 70 years in Babylon = 360 years). This indicates that a further period of 360 years of additional
exile remained for the Jews following the end of the Babylonian Captivity in 536 B.C.
Ezekiel’s Prophecy of the End of Israel’s Exile
However, a careful study of the history of Israel cannot reveal any significant event that
corresponds to this period of 360 years of additional punishment, either at the end of the 430 years or at
the end of the 360 years beginning from the end of the Babylonian Captivity in 536 BC. The majority (95%)
of the Jews never returned from Babylon to Israel. In fact, even the minority of the 42,360 Jews (Ezra
2:64) who did return did so with very little faith or true repentance. Most of the Jewish exiles failed to
repent of their spiritual rebellion against God and they chose to remain in pagan Babylon.
Ezekiel’s unusual prophecy revealed the precise duration of the Jewish exiles worldwide Diaspora
and the actual time of their prophesied return to the Promised Land in May 15, 1948. The solution to this
prophetic mystery was found in a divine principle revealed to Moses and recorded in Leviticus 26. In this
chapter the Lord established definite promises and punishments for Israel based on Israel’s subsequent
obedience or disobedience to His Divine commands. In four separate but repeated passages recorded in
Leviticus 26, God warned Israel that: if, after being punished for her sins, she still failed to repent of her
rebellion, the punishments previously declared by God would be multiplied seven times more (the number of
divine completion).
Moses declared God’s Divine principle of judgment if the Jews would not repent from their sinful
rebellion against God after already experiencing His Divine punishment: "And if ye will not yet for all this
hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins" (Leviticus 26:18; 26:21, 23-24, 27-
28).
In other words, if Israel did not repent of her sins after enduring God’s initial prophesied
punishment; the punishments previously predicted would now be prolonged or multiplied seven times: The
biblical record reveals that, tragically, even the 5 percent of the Jewish exiles who returned to Israel did not
truly repent of their rebellion.
Therefore, according to the Divine principle of multiplying the previous Divinely declared
punishment by seven times due to the Jew’s lack of repentance, God’s previously prophesied exile of
360 additional years to the unrepentant Jewish exiles, as recorded by Ezekiel, would now be multiplied
seven times more (Ezekiel 4:4-6; Lev. 26:18).
360 years of Exile x 7 = 2,520 biblical years of additional Exile for the Jews
The Biblical-Prophetic Year of 360 Days
The length of a biblical – prophetic year is 360 days: not the 365.25 days of our modern Julian
calendar solar year. In ancient biblical times, the Jewish year was a lunar-solar year, with 12 months of 30
days each, which contained only 360 days. The modern solar-calendar year contains 365.25 days. An article
on Chronology in the Encyclopedia Britannica, states that Abraham continued to use the 360-day year of his
Babylonian homeland when he migrated to Canaan.
The Genesis account of Noah's flood confirmed that the ancient peoples of the Middle East,
including the Hebrews, used a lunar-solar year of only 360 days with 12 months of 30 days each. Genesis
recorded that the five months from the beginning of the Flood on the 17th day of the second month till the
day the Ark rested on dry land, on the 17th day of the seventh month, lasted precisely 150 days. The five
months (30 days each) while the flood waters prevailed confirmed that the Bible used a 12 month year of
360 days. (Genesis 7:11; 8:3-4).
Sir Isaac Newton confirmed that the ancient biblical year of the Hebrews, Babylonians, and
Egyptians had only 360 days. Newton wrote in the Encyclopaedia Britannica (6th ed) that “all nations,
before the just length of the solar year was known, … in making calendars for their festivals, they
reckoned thirty days to a lunar month, and twelve lunar months to a year, taking the nearest round
numbers, whence came the division of the ecliptic into 360 degrees.”
To understand the precise fulfillment of prophecy, we need to calculate using the biblical lunar year
of 360 days. For example, in the book of Revelation John described the last three-and-one-half years of the
seven year Tribulation period when the Antichrist will persecute the “woman” (Israel) as lasting precisely
1,260 days (Rev. 12:6). John also described this period as: “a time and times and half a time” (Rev. 12:14).
A “time” equals a year of 360 days; “times” equals two years; and “half a time” equals half a year Similarly,
“forty-two months” of 30 days each equals the same 1260 days (Rev. 13:5). The book of Revelation and
Daniel’s prophecies (Dan. 7:25; 9:24-27; 12:7; 12:11) both confirm that the biblical year contained 360 days.
Therefore, Ezekiel’s prophecy revealed that the Jew’s final restoration to their Promised Land
would occur precisely 2,520 biblical years (of 360 days each) after the end of the Babylonian Captivity in the
spring of 536 B.C.
The end of the captivity in Babylon, according to the Bible and other historical sources – including
Flavius Josephus, occurred in the month of Nisan in the spring of 536 B.C. This date is the starting point for
our calculations: 2,520 biblical years x 360 = 907,200 days. Converting this period of 907,200 days into our
calendar year of 365.25 days: we divide the 907,200 days by 365.25 days and we calculate a total of
2,483.8 calendar or solar years. In these prophetic calculations we must keep in mind that there was only
one year between Passover in 1 B.C. and the next Passover in A.D. l.
Remember: There is NO Year Zero B.C.
Therefore, Ezekiel prophesied that the end of Israel's worldwide captivity would occur after a period
of 2,483.8 calendar years had elapsed following the beginning of the prophesied period of the Jewish exile
in the Spring of 536 B.C. [link to ixquick.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2313549


show me that israel is not a fenced city

show the wolf and the lamb laying together

show me peace

show me the twelve tribes in their own estate


all in your bible thsi is the sign of restoration


Did the messiah come and living amongst them?


let me know this exists in and I will be convinced
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar



"show me the twelve tribes in their own estate"

Britain, American and the Prophesied Common-Wealth.

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11
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You are mixing the prophecies of the millenium with other prophecies of pre-millenial events.
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You are mixing the prophecies of the millenium with other prophecies of pre-millenial events.
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35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.

36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.

37 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.

38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 11/16/2012 05:40 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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ISRAEL ISNT HERE YET...

It will be gathered when the messiah comes and brings down the new Jerusulem. There is 1000 years of prophecy left from the time Christ comes until judgment day.
Satan is only bound for the 1000 year reign of Christ and he is LOOSED AGAIN after the 1000 year reign to battle Christ and the saint and the REAL Israel this is called the Gog Magog war THEN God reigns fire down from heaven and the earth and the sea give up their dead and the book of life is opened

REVELATION 20 gives the timeline of prophetic events
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Here ya go OP. Math and all.


Ezekiel’s Vision
of the Rebirth of Israel in 1948
Ezekiel’s prophecy of the rebirth of Israel in 1948 and its precise fulfillment in our generation on
May 15, 1948 is one of the greatest fulfillments of Bible prophecy in history. Twenty-five centuries ago,
while he was a slave during the Babylonian Captivity, (606 – 536 BC), the Lord revealed to the prophet
Ezekiel, the precise year – 1948 – when Israel would finally be restored to the Promised Land.. The
Jew’s eternal relationship to the Holy Land is a major theme of Bible prophecy. In the Bible, times were
specified in precise detail regarding the duration of the time when the Jews were to be exiled from the
Promised Land and when God will allow them to return to the Holy Land.
The First Captivity – (Egyptian) – 430 years
The Lord prophesied to Abraham precisely when the Jews would return from Egypt from their
First Captivity that lasted 430 years of captivity in Egypt (Genesis 15:13; Exodus 12:40-41).
The Second Captivity (Babylonian) – 70 years
Similarly, the Second Captivity of 70 years in Babylon, as prophesied in Jeremiah 25:11,
ended precisely in 536 BC when the Jews returned to Jerusalem as decreed by the Persian king Cyrus
the Great.
The Third Captivity (Worldwide) – 2520 years
The Scriptures contain numerous prophecies about the final return of the Jewish exiles to their
Promised Land in the "last days." Ezekiel was taken to Babylon as a captive. Ezekiel was aware of
Jeremiah’s prophecy (Jeremiah 25:11) that the Jew’s captivity in Babylon would last seventy years.
However, Ezekiel received another prophecy concerning God’s judgment upon the Jew’s disobedience and
the precise duration of the remaining Jewish exile from their Promised Land.
"This shall be a sign to the house of Israel. Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of
the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear
their iniquity. For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days,
three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast
accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty
days: I have appointed thee each day for a year" (Ezekiel 4:3-6).
As Ezekiel lay on his right side for a few hours for 390 days and then for 40 days on his right side
the Jews in Babylon learned of God’s remarkable prophecy. God revealed that every day stood for one
biblical year. Therefore, Israel would be punished for a period of 390 years plus an additional 40 years as
a result of their disobedience to God’s commands, totaling 430 years. God declared that Israel would be
punished by a worldwide exile for 430 years (390
+ 40 years = 430 years). However, as prophesied by Jeremiah, the seventy year long Babylonian
Captivity, which began with Nebuchadnezzar’s capture of Jerusalem in 606 B.C., ended in the spring of
536 B.C., in the month Nisan (March/April), when only a small remnant of the Jews (42,360) returned to
Jerusalem (Ezra 1:1-3) under the decree of Cyrus the Great.
However, the vast majority of the Jewish exiles chose to remain in the pagan Persian Empire as
colonists and tradesmen. Naturally, most Jews who were born and had grown up in Babylon had little
desire to leave their farms and businesses to return to a desolate Jewish homeland. Most Jews in Babylon
did not repent of their rebellion against God and chose to remain in the pagan Babylonian Empire.
Out of God’s total decreed future punishment of 430 years for Israel's and Judah's sins (390 years
plus 40 years = 430 years). First, we must deduct the 70 years of the Babylonian captivity, which Ezekiel
and the Jewish exiles were already enduring, which ended in the spring of 536 B.C. Therefore: (430 years
minus the 70 years in Babylon = 360 years). This indicates that a further period of 360 years of additional
exile remained for the Jews following the end of the Babylonian Captivity in 536 B.C.
Ezekiel’s Prophecy of the End of Israel’s Exile
However, a careful study of the history of Israel cannot reveal any significant event that
corresponds to this period of 360 years of additional punishment, either at the end of the 430 years or at
the end of the 360 years beginning from the end of the Babylonian Captivity in 536 BC. The majority (95%)
of the Jews never returned from Babylon to Israel. In fact, even the minority of the 42,360 Jews (Ezra
2:64) who did return did so with very little faith or true repentance. Most of the Jewish exiles failed to
repent of their spiritual rebellion against God and they chose to remain in pagan Babylon.
Ezekiel’s unusual prophecy revealed the precise duration of the Jewish exiles worldwide Diaspora
and the actual time of their prophesied return to the Promised Land in May 15, 1948. The solution to this
prophetic mystery was found in a divine principle revealed to Moses and recorded in Leviticus 26. In this
chapter the Lord established definite promises and punishments for Israel based on Israel’s subsequent
obedience or disobedience to His Divine commands. In four separate but repeated passages recorded in
Leviticus 26, God warned Israel that: if, after being punished for her sins, she still failed to repent of her
rebellion, the punishments previously declared by God would be multiplied seven times more (the number of
divine completion).
Moses declared God’s Divine principle of judgment if the Jews would not repent from their sinful
rebellion against God after already experiencing His Divine punishment: "And if ye will not yet for all this
hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins" (Leviticus 26:18; 26:21, 23-24, 27-
28).
In other words, if Israel did not repent of her sins after enduring God’s initial prophesied
punishment; the punishments previously predicted would now be prolonged or multiplied seven times: The
biblical record reveals that, tragically, even the 5 percent of the Jewish exiles who returned to Israel did not
truly repent of their rebellion.
Therefore, according to the Divine principle of multiplying the previous Divinely declared
punishment by seven times due to the Jew’s lack of repentance, God’s previously prophesied exile of
360 additional years to the unrepentant Jewish exiles, as recorded by Ezekiel, would now be multiplied
seven times more (Ezekiel 4:4-6; Lev. 26:18).
360 years of Exile x 7 = 2,520 biblical years of additional Exile for the Jews
The Biblical-Prophetic Year of 360 Days
The length of a biblical – prophetic year is 360 days: not the 365.25 days of our modern Julian
calendar solar year. In ancient biblical times, the Jewish year was a lunar-solar year, with 12 months of 30
days each, which contained only 360 days. The modern solar-calendar year contains 365.25 days. An article
on Chronology in the Encyclopedia Britannica, states that Abraham continued to use the 360-day year of his
Babylonian homeland when he migrated to Canaan.
The Genesis account of Noah's flood confirmed that the ancient peoples of the Middle East,
including the Hebrews, used a lunar-solar year of only 360 days with 12 months of 30 days each. Genesis
recorded that the five months from the beginning of the Flood on the 17th day of the second month till the
day the Ark rested on dry land, on the 17th day of the seventh month, lasted precisely 150 days. The five
months (30 days each) while the flood waters prevailed confirmed that the Bible used a 12 month year of
360 days. (Genesis 7:11; 8:3-4).
Sir Isaac Newton confirmed that the ancient biblical year of the Hebrews, Babylonians, and
Egyptians had only 360 days. Newton wrote in the Encyclopaedia Britannica (6th ed) that “all nations,
before the just length of the solar year was known, … in making calendars for their festivals, they
reckoned thirty days to a lunar month, and twelve lunar months to a year, taking the nearest round
numbers, whence came the division of the ecliptic into 360 degrees.”
To understand the precise fulfillment of prophecy, we need to calculate using the biblical lunar year
of 360 days. For example, in the book of Revelation John described the last three-and-one-half years of the
seven year Tribulation period when the Antichrist will persecute the “woman” (Israel) as lasting precisely
1,260 days (Rev. 12:6). John also described this period as: “a time and times and half a time” (Rev. 12:14).
A “time” equals a year of 360 days; “times” equals two years; and “half a time” equals half a year Similarly,
“forty-two months” of 30 days each equals the same 1260 days (Rev. 13:5). The book of Revelation and
Daniel’s prophecies (Dan. 7:25; 9:24-27; 12:7; 12:11) both confirm that the biblical year contained 360 days.
Therefore, Ezekiel’s prophecy revealed that the Jew’s final restoration to their Promised Land
would occur precisely 2,520 biblical years (of 360 days each) after the end of the Babylonian Captivity in the
spring of 536 B.C.
The end of the captivity in Babylon, according to the Bible and other historical sources – including
Flavius Josephus, occurred in the month of Nisan in the spring of 536 B.C. This date is the starting point for
our calculations: 2,520 biblical years x 360 = 907,200 days. Converting this period of 907,200 days into our
calendar year of 365.25 days: we divide the 907,200 days by 365.25 days and we calculate a total of
2,483.8 calendar or solar years. In these prophetic calculations we must keep in mind that there was only
one year between Passover in 1 B.C. and the next Passover in A.D. l.
Remember: There is NO Year Zero B.C.
Therefore, Ezekiel prophesied that the end of Israel's worldwide captivity would occur after a period
of 2,483.8 calendar years had elapsed following the beginning of the prophesied period of the Jewish exile
in the Spring of 536 B.C. [link to ixquick.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2313549


show me that israel is not a fenced city

show the wolf and the lamb laying together

show me peace

show me the twelve tribes in their own estate


all in your bible thsi is the sign of restoration


Did the messiah come and living amongst them?


let me know this exists in and I will be convinced
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar



"show me the twelve tribes in their own estate"

Britain, American and the Prophesied Common-Wealth.

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27752303


35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.

36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.

37 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.

38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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REVELATION 20 TELLS YOU TE TIMELINE OF PROPHECY FROM THE TIME CHRIST RETURNS UNTIL JUDGMENT DAY

THE ANGEL BINDS SATAN

CHRIST RETURNS

THE F.I.R.S.T RESURRECTION

1000 YEAR REIGN OF CHRIST

SATAN IS LOOSED AGAIN

BATTLES CHRIST, SAINTS, IN BELOVED CITY NEW JERUSALEM
THIS IS CALLED THE GOG MAGOG WAR

GOD REIGNS FIRE DOWN FROM THE HEAVENS

THE EARTH AND SEA GIVE UP THE DEAD

THE BOOKS ARE OPENED

JUDGMENT

REVELATION 20

[link to www.biblegateway.com]
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THERE IS 1000 YEARS LEFT OF PROPHECY FROM THE TIME CHRIST COMES UNTIL JUDGMENT DAY
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ISRAEL ISN'T HERE YET
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You are mixing the prophecies of the millenium with other prophecies of pre-millenial events.
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5 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea[edomites], which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Here ya go OP. Math and all.


Ezekiel’s Vision
of the Rebirth of Israel in 1948
Ezekiel’s prophecy of the rebirth of Israel in 1948 and its precise fulfillment in our generation on
May 15, 1948 is one of the greatest fulfillments of Bible prophecy in history. Twenty-five centuries ago,
while he was a slave during the Babylonian Captivity, (606 – 536 BC), the Lord revealed to the prophet
Ezekiel, the precise year – 1948 – when Israel would finally be restored to the Promised Land.. The
Jew’s eternal relationship to the Holy Land is a major theme of Bible prophecy. In the Bible, times were
specified in precise detail regarding the duration of the time when the Jews were to be exiled from the
Promised Land and when God will allow them to return to the Holy Land.
The First Captivity – (Egyptian) – 430 years
The Lord prophesied to Abraham precisely when the Jews would return from Egypt from their
First Captivity that lasted 430 years of captivity in Egypt (Genesis 15:13; Exodus 12:40-41).
The Second Captivity (Babylonian) – 70 years
Similarly, the Second Captivity of 70 years in Babylon, as prophesied in Jeremiah 25:11,
ended precisely in 536 BC when the Jews returned to Jerusalem as decreed by the Persian king Cyrus
the Great.
The Third Captivity (Worldwide) – 2520 years
The Scriptures contain numerous prophecies about the final return of the Jewish exiles to their
Promised Land in the "last days." Ezekiel was taken to Babylon as a captive. Ezekiel was aware of
Jeremiah’s prophecy (Jeremiah 25:11) that the Jew’s captivity in Babylon would last seventy years.
However, Ezekiel received another prophecy concerning God’s judgment upon the Jew’s disobedience and
the precise duration of the remaining Jewish exile from their Promised Land.
"This shall be a sign to the house of Israel. Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of
the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear
their iniquity. For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days,
three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast
accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty
days: I have appointed thee each day for a year" (Ezekiel 4:3-6).
As Ezekiel lay on his right side for a few hours for 390 days and then for 40 days on his right side
the Jews in Babylon learned of God’s remarkable prophecy. God revealed that every day stood for one
biblical year. Therefore, Israel would be punished for a period of 390 years plus an additional 40 years as
a result of their disobedience to God’s commands, totaling 430 years. God declared that Israel would be
punished by a worldwide exile for 430 years (390
+ 40 years = 430 years). However, as prophesied by Jeremiah, the seventy year long Babylonian
Captivity, which began with Nebuchadnezzar’s capture of Jerusalem in 606 B.C., ended in the spring of
536 B.C., in the month Nisan (March/April), when only a small remnant of the Jews (42,360) returned to
Jerusalem (Ezra 1:1-3) under the decree of Cyrus the Great.
However, the vast majority of the Jewish exiles chose to remain in the pagan Persian Empire as
colonists and tradesmen. Naturally, most Jews who were born and had grown up in Babylon had little
desire to leave their farms and businesses to return to a desolate Jewish homeland. Most Jews in Babylon
did not repent of their rebellion against God and chose to remain in the pagan Babylonian Empire.
Out of God’s total decreed future punishment of 430 years for Israel's and Judah's sins (390 years
plus 40 years = 430 years). First, we must deduct the 70 years of the Babylonian captivity, which Ezekiel
and the Jewish exiles were already enduring, which ended in the spring of 536 B.C. Therefore: (430 years
minus the 70 years in Babylon = 360 years). This indicates that a further period of 360 years of additional
exile remained for the Jews following the end of the Babylonian Captivity in 536 B.C.
Ezekiel’s Prophecy of the End of Israel’s Exile
However, a careful study of the history of Israel cannot reveal any significant event that
corresponds to this period of 360 years of additional punishment, either at the end of the 430 years or at
the end of the 360 years beginning from the end of the Babylonian Captivity in 536 BC. The majority (95%)
of the Jews never returned from Babylon to Israel. In fact, even the minority of the 42,360 Jews (Ezra
2:64) who did return did so with very little faith or true repentance. Most of the Jewish exiles failed to
repent of their spiritual rebellion against God and they chose to remain in pagan Babylon.
Ezekiel’s unusual prophecy revealed the precise duration of the Jewish exiles worldwide Diaspora
and the actual time of their prophesied return to the Promised Land in May 15, 1948. The solution to this
prophetic mystery was found in a divine principle revealed to Moses and recorded in Leviticus 26. In this
chapter the Lord established definite promises and punishments for Israel based on Israel’s subsequent
obedience or disobedience to His Divine commands. In four separate but repeated passages recorded in
Leviticus 26, God warned Israel that: if, after being punished for her sins, she still failed to repent of her
rebellion, the punishments previously declared by God would be multiplied seven times more (the number of
divine completion).
Moses declared God’s Divine principle of judgment if the Jews would not repent from their sinful
rebellion against God after already experiencing His Divine punishment: "And if ye will not yet for all this
hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins" (Leviticus 26:18; 26:21, 23-24, 27-
28).
In other words, if Israel did not repent of her sins after enduring God’s initial prophesied
punishment; the punishments previously predicted would now be prolonged or multiplied seven times: The
biblical record reveals that, tragically, even the 5 percent of the Jewish exiles who returned to Israel did not
truly repent of their rebellion.
Therefore, according to the Divine principle of multiplying the previous Divinely declared
punishment by seven times due to the Jew’s lack of repentance, God’s previously prophesied exile of
360 additional years to the unrepentant Jewish exiles, as recorded by Ezekiel, would now be multiplied
seven times more (Ezekiel 4:4-6; Lev. 26:18).
360 years of Exile x 7 = 2,520 biblical years of additional Exile for the Jews
The Biblical-Prophetic Year of 360 Days
The length of a biblical – prophetic year is 360 days: not the 365.25 days of our modern Julian
calendar solar year. In ancient biblical times, the Jewish year was a lunar-solar year, with 12 months of 30
days each, which contained only 360 days. The modern solar-calendar year contains 365.25 days. An article
on Chronology in the Encyclopedia Britannica, states that Abraham continued to use the 360-day year of his
Babylonian homeland when he migrated to Canaan.
The Genesis account of Noah's flood confirmed that the ancient peoples of the Middle East,
including the Hebrews, used a lunar-solar year of only 360 days with 12 months of 30 days each. Genesis
recorded that the five months from the beginning of the Flood on the 17th day of the second month till the
day the Ark rested on dry land, on the 17th day of the seventh month, lasted precisely 150 days. The five
months (30 days each) while the flood waters prevailed confirmed that the Bible used a 12 month year of
360 days. (Genesis 7:11; 8:3-4).
Sir Isaac Newton confirmed that the ancient biblical year of the Hebrews, Babylonians, and
Egyptians had only 360 days. Newton wrote in the Encyclopaedia Britannica (6th ed) that “all nations,
before the just length of the solar year was known, … in making calendars for their festivals, they
reckoned thirty days to a lunar month, and twelve lunar months to a year, taking the nearest round
numbers, whence came the division of the ecliptic into 360 degrees.”
To understand the precise fulfillment of prophecy, we need to calculate using the biblical lunar year
of 360 days. For example, in the book of Revelation John described the last three-and-one-half years of the
seven year Tribulation period when the Antichrist will persecute the “woman” (Israel) as lasting precisely
1,260 days (Rev. 12:6). John also described this period as: “a time and times and half a time” (Rev. 12:14).
A “time” equals a year of 360 days; “times” equals two years; and “half a time” equals half a year Similarly,
“forty-two months” of 30 days each equals the same 1260 days (Rev. 13:5). The book of Revelation and
Daniel’s prophecies (Dan. 7:25; 9:24-27; 12:7; 12:11) both confirm that the biblical year contained 360 days.
Therefore, Ezekiel’s prophecy revealed that the Jew’s final restoration to their Promised Land
would occur precisely 2,520 biblical years (of 360 days each) after the end of the Babylonian Captivity in the
spring of 536 B.C.
The end of the captivity in Babylon, according to the Bible and other historical sources – including
Flavius Josephus, occurred in the month of Nisan in the spring of 536 B.C. This date is the starting point for
our calculations: 2,520 biblical years x 360 = 907,200 days. Converting this period of 907,200 days into our
calendar year of 365.25 days: we divide the 907,200 days by 365.25 days and we calculate a total of
2,483.8 calendar or solar years. In these prophetic calculations we must keep in mind that there was only
one year between Passover in 1 B.C. and the next Passover in A.D. l.
Remember: There is NO Year Zero B.C.
Therefore, Ezekiel prophesied that the end of Israel's worldwide captivity would occur after a period
of 2,483.8 calendar years had elapsed following the beginning of the prophesied period of the Jewish exile
in the Spring of 536 B.C. [link to ixquick.com (secure)]
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show me that israel is not a fenced city

show the wolf and the lamb laying together

show me peace

show me the twelve tribes in their own estate


all in your bible thsi is the sign of restoration


Did the messiah come and living amongst them?


let me know this exists in and I will be convinced
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"show me the twelve tribes in their own estate"

Britain, American and the Prophesied Common-Wealth.

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11
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35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.

36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.

37 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.

38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
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The Great Tribulation hasn't begun yet. ;)
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show me that israel is not a fenced city

show the wolf and the lamb laying together

show me peace

show me the twelve tribes in their own estate


all in your bible thsi is the sign of restoration


Did the messiah come and living amongst them?


let me know this exists in and I will be convinced
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"show me the twelve tribes in their own estate"

Britain, American and the Prophesied Common-Wealth.

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11
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35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.

36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.

37 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.

38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
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The Great Tribulation hasn't begun yet. ;)
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"the great tribulation" or "great tribulation" and who was this referring to?

look at your bible again " the great tribulation" is made up


And at the end of the gentile rile in Israel then the restoration will start...the people in isreal are not israel

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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"show me the twelve tribes in their own estate"

Britain, American and the Prophesied Common-Wealth.

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11
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35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.

36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.

37 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.

38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
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The Great Tribulation hasn't begun yet. ;)
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"the great tribulation" or "great tribulation" and who was this referring to?

look at your bible again " the great tribulation" is made
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Jacobs troubles, Time, Times, and Half a Time. Three and half years. We are in the final week of Daniel now.
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." This is the same time frame as Zephaniah 2 (just prior to the Day of the Lord). Zechariah 14:2-3 prophesies that "all nations" will be gathered to battle in the region of Jerusalem, and that the Lord will come to fight against the nations attacking Jerusalem when "his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives.

THIS IS SPEAKING OF THE BATTLE THAT TAKES PLACE AFTER THE 1000 YEAR REIGN OF CHRIST WHEN SATAN IS LOOSED AGAIN BEFORE JUDGMENT DAY
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CHRISTIANS MIS-APPLY TIME FRAMES TO PROPHECY


THERE IS 1000 YEARS LEFT OF PROPHECY AFTER CHRIST RETURNS UNTIL JUDGMENT DAY!!!!!!!!!
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35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.

36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.

37 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.

38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
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The Great Tribulation hasn't begun yet. ;)
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"the great tribulation" or "great tribulation" and who was this referring to?

look at your bible again " the great tribulation" is made
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Jacobs troubles, Time, Times, and Half a Time. Three and half years. We are in the final week of Daniel now.
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exactly! so which will bring us to the end gentile fullness meaning those who trample israel and calling themselves israel will be cast out and the true people will be restored
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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The Great Tribulation hasn't begun yet. ;)
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"the great tribulation" or "great tribulation" and who was this referring to?

look at your bible again " the great tribulation" is made
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Jacobs troubles, Time, Times, and Half a Time. Three and half years. We are in the final week of Daniel now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27752303

exactly! so which will bring us to the end gentile fullness meaning those who trample israel and calling themselves israel will be cast out and the true people will be restored
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Yes the Muslims who squat in parts of Judah and have control of the Temple area.
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"the great tribulation" or "great tribulation" and who was this referring to?

look at your bible again " the great tribulation" is made
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Jacobs troubles, Time, Times, and Half a Time. Three and half years. We are in the final week of Daniel now.
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exactly! so which will bring us to the end gentile fullness meaning those who trample israel and calling themselves israel will be cast out and the true people will be restored
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Yes the Muslims who squat in parts of Judah and have control of the Temple area.
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them also but the scripture is referring to the false jews worshipping a the wall of idolatry and talmudic performing all wickedness.It is addressing the zionists who promote wars and violence through slavery and usery.... they are not israel

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Jacobs troubles, Time, Times, and Half a Time. Three and half years. We are in the final week of Daniel now.
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exactly! so which will bring us to the end gentile fullness meaning those who trample israel and calling themselves israel will be cast out and the true people will be restored
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Yes the Muslims who squat in parts of Judah and have control of the Temple area.
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them also but the scripture is referring to the false jews worshipping a wall idolatry and talmudic evil. they are not israel
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No, they are Judah.
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exactly! so which will bring us to the end gentile fullness meaning those who trample israel and calling themselves israel will be cast out and the true people will be restored
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Yes the Muslims who squat in parts of Judah and have control of the Temple area.
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them also but the scripture is referring to the false jews worshipping a wall idolatry and talmudic evil. they are not israel
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No, they are Judah.
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If that is the example of Gods people restored then we should all give up your desire to be conformed to the image of messiah

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Yes the Muslims who squat in parts of Judah and have control of the Temple area.
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them also but the scripture is referring to the false jews worshipping a wall idolatry and talmudic evil. they are not israel
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No, they are Judah.
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If that is the example of Gods people restored then we should all give up your desire to be conformed to the image of messiah
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The same could be said of our peoples.
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Jer 16:14-16: “'Therefore see, the days are coming,' declares Yahuah, when it is no longer said, ‘Yahuah lives who brought up the children of Yisrael from the land of Mitsrayim,’
but, ‘Yahuah lives who brought up the children of Yisrael from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them.’ For I shall bring them back into their land I gave to their fathers.
'See, I am sending for many fishermen,' declares Yahuah, 'and they shall fish them. And after that I shall send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain and every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.'"
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But the Bible doesn't say some will be there but the whole tribe of Judah.
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eventually when the land is restored and that is at the coming of messiah...got to joel chapter 2
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No the Bibles makes it clear that they will be in the land when Messiah returns and that they will not be a Christian people. Check out the posts I made and the land is restored, it also shows how the Jewish people fulfilled prophecies with regards to agriculture.
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does this scripture seem to fit what you're suggesting? -Hebrews 9:28 so also the Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many; and the second time that he appears it will be apart from sin and to those earnestly looking for him for [their] salvation.
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them also but the scripture is referring to the false jews worshipping a wall idolatry and talmudic evil. they are not israel
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No, they are Judah.
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If that is the example of Gods people restored then we should all give up your desire to be conformed to the image of messiah
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The same could be said of our peoples.
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we are not discussing other people because we are discussing a prophecy about a people and restoration of israel God promised all eyes will know and see
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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for a desert start with eze chapter 36
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Are you saying you believe the physical land of Israel will be destroyed and that the real Isralites will move there to reclaim and build up the land eventually?
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I AM SAYING READ EZE CHP 36
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I have read it. I'm asking you if that is your interpretation and meaning of what it says.
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you left off chapter 1 through 16..the answer is there
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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But the Bible doesn't say some will be there but the whole tribe of Judah.
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eventually when the land is restored and that is at the coming of messiah...got to joel chapter 2


No the Bibles makes it clear that they will be in the land when Messiah returns
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t they will not be a Christian people. Check out the posts I made and the land is restored, it also shows how the Jewish people fulfilled prophecies with regards to agriculture.


does this scripture seem to fit what you're suggesting? -Hebrews 9:28&nbs
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o the Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many; and the second time that he appears it will be apart from sin and to those earnestly looking for him for [their] salvation.


It's not really what I am talking about in my other post, I was speaking o
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ecific end times prophecy's for the tribe of Judah.
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No, they are Judah.
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If that is the example of Gods people restored then we should all give up your desire to be conformed to the image of messiah
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The same could be said of our peoples.
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we are not discussing other people because we are discussing a prophecy about a people and restoration of israel God promised all eyes will know and see
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No, I was referring to Judah and not Israel. The restoration has not happened yet imo, it will happen after Jacobs troubles.
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eventually when the land is restored and that is at the coming of messiah...got to joel chapter 2
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No the Bibles makes it clear that they will be in the land when Messiah returns and that they will not be a Christian people. Check out the posts I made and the land is restored, it also shows how the Jewish people fulfilled prophecies with regards to agriculture.
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does this scripture seem to fit what you're suggesting? -Hebrews 9:28 so also the Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many; and the second time that he appears it will be apart from sin and to those earnestly looking for him for [their] salvation.
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It's not really what I am talking about in my other post, I was speaking of the specific end times prophecy's for the tribe of Judah.
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WHAT IS THE HOPE OF ALL BELIEVERS?

It is the future hope of the resurrection of the dead (Acts 23:6), the promises given to Israel (Acts 26:6-7), the redemption of the body and of the whole creation (Romans 8:23-25), eternal glory (Colossians 1:27), eternal life and the inheritance of the saints (Titus 3:5-7), the return of Christ (Titus 2:11-14), transformation into the likeness of Christ (1 John 3:2-3), the salvation of Godthe father Eh'yeh (1 Timothy 4:10)Himself (1 Timothy 1:1).


You you already knew the answer! but yet you believe a lie and corrupt the word of God with these lies from evil men like the Rothchilds who planned that restoration...The restoration of Israel is the coming of messiah that is the christian hope!That you will partake of this as the wild olive tree! you believe a man over what the father told you in his word!

ARE YOU NOT FOLLOWING ANTICHRIST IN DOING SO


If you believe that lie you are rejecting all that the bible says about his coming and salvation for you and your family.your hope and faith is the new kingdom here on earth and this is his purpose of returning to restore his people and others who are not called his people.Shame on you for believing these lying politicians and false JEWS.


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THE BALFOUR DECLARATION RESTORATION OF EURO JEWISH PEOPLE

Many of you are Israel but you been fooled to believe you are gentiles and you sit in the pagan churches brain washed without truth.You don't read and study but love to argue soounding like the dumb ministers they setup to lead you astray.You support this evil cult in Israel when the messiah told you he is coming back to kick them out for their plunder of his holy place..yes! that is the time of the gentiles the bible refers to. They are imposters carrying your name.Since in herod times they were there taking over the temples and changing laws making it into a monetary system and talmudic doctrines.

They sided with Rome because they are the same nations just different citizenship.[EDOMITES]



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So we have JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY joined at the hip and planned our demise to corrupt the true people of God with this new religion.They work hand in hand.

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So ask yourself these questions and wake up and live

Then: why did you not see the son of man in the sky coming in glory? Were you looking at baseball or basketball while this was happening?


Then: Are these euro jewish people are the resurrected and saints who were alive who were changed in the twinkling of an eye?


Then: Why are you all still here?Maybe we are all heathens doomed for hell? Maybe messiah making another trip?

Then: Israel should not be a fenced city but one without walls and protected by God!


Then: Did the resurrection of the dead and the living already happened and we are lost souls in some other world?


Then can CNN or MSNBC or National Geographic please show us the wolf and the lamb laying together and the serpent eating straw!

Then CNN please show us these immortals falling on a sword and will not die and being stung by serpents.?


Then TBN Chritian TV show us the twelve tribes of Israel and show us your pastors in the the millenial kingdom because maybe people are just looking at prerecorded shows?



Then Israel should be at peace, no more wars and sickness and death and weeping!.


Then Israel should be under one accord living with messiah in the midst


Then there should be the rulership of the gevernment of Christ ruling the whole earth not some gentile politician war monger!


Then there should be no heathen practices in the land around the temple mount on the wailing wall for their false messiah to come!


Then the israelites should be going through the earth and bringing us all to the holy mountian to worship God and the testimony of his christ.

Then the war of armageddon is gone or maybe christ changed his mind?


Then matthew 24, revelation chapter 6 and all other olt testament scriptures supporting the real restoartion of Israel is one big lie

Then CNN show us the carcasses of the men who sinned in that pit?

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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If that is the example of Gods people restored then we should all give up your desire to be conformed to the image of messiah
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The same could be said of our peoples.
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we are not discussing other people because we are discussing a prophecy about a people and restoration of israel God promised all eyes will know and see
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No, I was referring to Judah and not Israel. The restoration has not happened yet imo, it will happen after Jacobs troubles.
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I think you are forgetting the distinction the word of God makes between the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
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The same could be said of our peoples.
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we are not discussing other people because we are discussing a prophecy about a people and restoration of israel God promised all eyes will know and see
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


No, I was referring to Judah and not Israel. The restoration has not happened yet imo, it will happen after Jacobs troubles.
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I think you are forgetting the distinction the word of God makes between the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
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Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

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And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Jer 16:14-16: “'Therefore see, the days are coming,' declares Yahuah, when it is no longer said, ‘Yahuah lives who brought up the children of Yisrael from the land of Mitsrayim,’
but, ‘Yahuah lives who brought up the children of Yisrael from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them.’ For I shall bring them back into their land I gave to their fathers.
'See, I am sending for many fishermen,' declares Yahuah, 'and they shall fish them. And after that I shall send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain and every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.'"
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


But the Bible doesn't say some will be there but the whole tribe of Judah.
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eventually when the land is restored and that is at the coming of messiah...got to joel chapter 2
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No the Bibles makes it clear that they will be in the land when Messiah returns and that they will not be a Christian people. Check out the posts I made and the land is restored, it also shows how the Jewish people fulfilled prophecies with regards to agriculture.
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About agriculture in Israel, here's part of an article about the agricultural year in the time of Solomon, when the nation had God's blessing:
"Israelite farmers were aware that many crops harvested during the sunniest months of the year needed a subtle balance of winds until Pentecost. The cold, wet wind coming from the north might have benefited developing cereals, but such were damaging to fruit trees once they blossomed. The hot, dry wind from the south helped the blossoms to open and pollinate.—Proverbs 25:23; Song of Solomon 4:16.

Jehovah, the Master of the elements, had set in motion a finely tuned ecological system. In Abijah’s day, Israel was really “a land of wheat and barley and vines and figs and pomegranates, a land of oil olives and honey.” (Deuteronomy 8:8) Abijah’s grandfather may have told him about the extraordinary period of abundance under wise King Solomon’s rule—clear evidence of Jehovah’s blessing.—1 Kings 4:20.

They didn't need to irrigate, [which is not good for the land long-term, I think?] [link to wol.jw.org] I really recommend this article.
It's only one page and is very pleasant to contemplate.
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38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.


The Great Tribulation hasn't begun yet. ;)


"the great tribulation" or "great tribulation" and who was this referring to?

look at your bible again " the great tribulation" is made up


And at the end of the gentile rile in Israel then the restoration will start...the people in isreal are not israel


I would really love to know your opinion about this OP. Everybody on GLP seems to talk so confidently about
"the great tribulation", and that it's 7 years, and that its beginning will signal where we are in 'the sequence'. I don't know what scriptures they're referencing.

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