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The Israeli mission into GAZA that is more likely than not coming.

 
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IMO this is going to be...

To disarm and remove HAMAS from command and control.

That is going to be a pretty huge campaign...not a mere assualt...but a campaign.

Now....the feeling I am getting is that Hezbollah is not going to engage. Nasrallah has been issuing statements like the Arab league needs to band together and use it's Oil Muscle...he is also making statements that Hamas in Gaza using their rockets is a "Significant development"....alluding that they are doing OK on their own. This a departure from his usual "Rivers run red with zionist blood!" and that sort of firey rhetoric...

Over the last years it seems that Hezbollah is enjoying their newly gained political clout in Lebanon...which they more or less own and operate now. Being in charge of a country is a big step up for them and IMO they do not want to jepordize that.

Maybe Israel told them you mind your own business or we will go apeshit on your ass and bomb you into oblivion...who knows, but I don't see Israeli forces massing on the Lebonese border so it seems to me that some sort of stand down agreement has been struck there...

Hezbollah is also closely tied to Syria and Assad...Assad has enough on his plate to deal with as it is...so there could be an ultimatum there that if Hezbollah does engage?...it will be taken as if Syria and Hezbollah are considered as one and both will brought down...with a threat of USA-NATO involvement...

For whatever reasons...it seems to me that Hezbollah isn't itching to get involved and is more content to talk Arab "sanctions"...

So Egypt...the Sinai has a good infestment of radicals going on. Morsi bombed a few hinself...my guess there was that he was told by Israel..."Either you do it?...or we will, but it's going to happen." Morsi could not allow Israel to blast even the most radical elements in Egyption territory, he'd look like a bitch and his own people would go berserk. He also wants to sit at the big boy international table...so bombing a few "AQ affiliates" would earn some cred with the "international community"...see?...we aren't as radical as some want people to think, we blew up a few "terrorists" too.

Morsi has a fine tight rope to walk with his own Muslim brothers and the international community...My assesment there is that he is more likely to fall back on his "too new" position and while he'll show some support, more than Mubarack would have, he won't engage in any real sense and will probably do some aiding and abetting on a small scale with appeasing his own people in mind and more or less keep walking that tight rope.

I also don't see Iran engaging outright either...nor Syria...because I'm sure they are thinking that they are in a "Give us an excuse" position...and if they do give anyone an excuse?...the USA/West might very well take the opportunity to play wipe up/out and mop up several problems in the arena.

So with all that said...it pretty much leaves Israel and Hamas head to head to go at it toe to toe. Which I believe may very well happen. Hamas will get some level of support, maybe some weapons back doored in, the "outcry" is a given, but I don't see any other countries stepping into it outright as things stand now.

Israel has Hamas out gunned in a big way...it will only be a matter of how bloody and how long it will take to accomplish the mission if they decide the mission is to eradicate Hamas and I believe they have. They have gone in before and gave them a beat down, and they came back...they won't go in and not make it final this time.

GAZA may be turned over to some sort of Arab cohilition temporarlily which will more likely than not feature Egypt playing a part in a very big way...GAZA will in any case be turned over to some more moderate control in which Egypt will be pressed into playing a big part with in some fashion.

I think we going to see a pretty big move this time...and I don't see how Israel has much of a choice.
The chance of it spiraling out of control and other countries becoming involved real quick is always there, but as long as Israel remains as meticulous as possible, there's just as much as chance that the Arabs will chalk up Hamas as a loss and it will stay contained as there is that any other countries will get involved.

It won't be pretty in any case, it also could very well last for a month and it's going to be a screaming and bloody mess...

It's going to be a very dangerous time during which a lot of very bad scenerios have a far greater chance of becoming reality...for everyone...

Expect at minimum oil prices to take off and up...be very aware of the hair trigger aspect that a "Spark event" can set off powder keg that could very well drag several major countries into a major war that no sane person wants to see happen.

I see the stage set this time for Israel to vanquish Hamas once and for all as any sort of viable control group in GAZA and they are going to take the opportunity to do it...if they do?...

we can only hope that is as far as it goes...

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Re: The Israeli mission into GAZA that is more likely than not coming.
Good analysis.

I am with you in that I HOPE that's all that happens..
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if that happens egypt and sooner or later iran will be involved ... and then dang ww3 starting
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Re: The Israeli mission into GAZA that is more likely than not coming.
Not gonna happen IMO

Israel can't afford a protracted killing spree with elections coming up in January

And why is it that the last time Gaza was attacked like this was just weeks after Obama wins his first term?

Fast forward 4 years, and just days after Obama wins a second term, another Gaza war looks imminent

I find that a tad odd

Something BIG is going to happen over the weekend of December 7th through December 9th and there will be a need for a new Peace Treaty

Catch my drift?

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Good analysis.

I am with you in that I HOPE that's all that happens..
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It's going to be a very dangerous time...so we all need to be frosty aware and be prepared for things going bad real fast...

The lack of support for Hamas that I am seeing...well...hopefully that isn't a rope-a-dope fient, "Trap" play....that isn't the usual Arab method of operation...and I seriously doubt Israel hasn't done their own homework as far as that goes, but still...the chance always exists.

It's a very dangerous game...
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They can do that without me.. no troops!
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Not gonna happen IMO

Israel can't afford a protracted killing spree with elections coming up in January

And why is it that the last time Gaza was attacked like this was just weeks after Obama wins his first term?

Fast forward 4 years, and just days after Obama wins a second term, another Gaza war looks imminent

I find that a tad odd

Something BIG is going to happen over the weekend of December 7th through December 9th and there will be a need for a new Peace Treaty

Catch my drift?


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Not really aside from the pearl harbor reference, but I guess well see.

Someone might want to tell the Israeli forces massing on the GAZA border that they are only there for a picnic and nothing's going to happen...
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This is not what goes down.
At least not according to what's written in PSALM 83 and ISAIAH 17.

Lebanon will be drawn into this conflict.

You will see.
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Good analysis.

I am with you in that I HOPE that's all that happens..
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It's going to be a very dangerous time...so we all need to be frosty aware and be prepared for things going bad real fast...

The lack of support for Hamas that I am seeing...well...hopefully that isn't a rope-a-dope fient, "Trap" play....that isn't the usual Arab method of operation...and I seriously doubt Israel hasn't done their own homework as far as that goes, but still...the chance always exists.

It's a very dangerous game...
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I agree, it could go south very quickly. Morsi is the guy that is concerning me so far. His rhetoric could be just that, rhetoric. To appease the extremists in Egypt. It seems it would be foolish of him to go against Israel and the U.S....I mean we still send them money....but with extremists like the M.B you never know.

I think you are spot on with Israels intentions tho. Honestly, they need to take this opportunity to get rid of as much of hamas's influence as they can.
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they just announced it starts in 30 minutes
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This is not what goes down.
At least not according to what's written in PSALM 83 and ISAIAH 17.

Lebanon will be drawn into this conflict.

You will see.
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Not every time is THE time...
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Re: The Israeli mission into GAZA that is more likely than not coming.
IMO this is going to be...

To disarm and remove HAMAS from command and control.

That is going to be a pretty huge campaign...not a mere assualt...but a campaign.

I see the stage set this time for Israel to vanquish Hamas once and for all as any sort of viable control group in GAZA and they are going to take the opportunity to do it...if they do?...

we can only hope that is as far as it goes...
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you forgot to mention one crucial thing. this time around hamas has superior weapons. superior weapons if you would compare it to 2008

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Someone might want to tell the Israeli forces massing on the GAZA border that they are only there for a picnic and nothing's going to happen...
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How about putting 2 and 2 together and noticing the fact that an "unidentified" aircraft got 26 miles inside Israeli terrority before being intercepted, coming from Gaza on October 6th

If it took that long for it to be detected, a multitude of those "secret" planes will be dropping bombs on those forces massing on the border

They are sitting ducks, like sacrificial lambs IMO

This aggression will be ended in a day

I call it aggression because thats what it is, from both sides
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This is not what goes down.
At least not according to what's written in PSALM 83 and ISAIAH 17.

Lebanon will be drawn into this conflict.

You will see.
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Not every time is THE time...
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You are more than right.

But this time.

IT IS.

Watch.
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Re: The Israeli mission into GAZA that is more likely than not coming.
IMO this is going to be...

To disarm and remove HAMAS from command and control.

That is going to be a pretty huge campaign...not a mere assualt...but a campaign.

I see the stage set this time for Israel to vanquish Hamas once and for all as any sort of viable control group in GAZA and they are going to take the opportunity to do it...if they do?...

we can only hope that is as far as it goes...
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you forgot to mention one crucial thing. this time around hamas has superior weapons. superior weapons if you would compare it to 2008
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They are still heavily out gunned...that only means Israel will have to go in heavier than they did in 08...and it appears that is exactly what they are seeting up to do.

You are still looking at basically a militia going against a real military force...Israel can expect some casualities, but Hamas is still very much out classed and it will only depend on deep they want to dig in as to how bad things will get.

If Israel makes it clear that they are going to remove Hamas once and for all?...they won't stop until they do.
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MEGA PIN!
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You are still looking at basically a militia going against a real military force...
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Soon to be played out on American soil...
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You are still looking at basically a militia going against a real military force...
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Soon to be played out on American soil...
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I highly doubt that.
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they (israel) are calling up 75,000 reservists. For Cast Lead, they only called up 10,000 and for the Second Lebanon War 60,000. Looks like they are ready for both if necessary.
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You are still looking at basically a militia going against a real military force...
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Soon to be played out on American soil...
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It happened at Concord and Lexington 1775
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Someone might want to tell the Israeli forces massing on the GAZA border that they are only there for a picnic and nothing's going to happen...
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How about putting 2 and 2 together and noticing the fact that an "unidentified" aircraft got 26 miles inside Israeli terrority before being intercepted, coming from Gaza on October 6th

If it took that long for it to be detected, a multitude of those "secret" planes will be dropping bombs on those forces massing on the border

They are sitting ducks, like sacrificial lambs IMO

This aggression will be ended in a day

I call it aggression because thats what it is, from both sides
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I really don't think you know much about how modern military operates.
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You are still looking at basically a militia going against a real military force...
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Soon to be played out on American soil...
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I highly doubt that
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You obviously can't remember the "30 Days of Terror" that began on Obama's birthday in 2014 then eh?

That's the day the words "It's Good To Be King" are uttered
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Someone might want to tell the Israeli forces massing on the GAZA border that they are only there for a picnic and nothing's going to happen...
 Quoting: SHR


How about putting 2 and 2 together and noticing the fact that an "unidentified" aircraft got 26 miles inside Israeli terrority before being intercepted, coming from Gaza on October 6th

If it took that long for it to be detected, a multitude of those "secret" planes will be dropping bombs on those forces massing on the border

They are sitting ducks, like sacrificial lambs IMO

This aggression will be ended in a day

I call it aggression because thats what it is, from both sides
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I really don't think you know much about how modern military operates.
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That may be true SHR

But i don know how other things operate
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You are still looking at basically a militia going against a real military force...
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Soon to be played out on American soil...
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I highly doubt that
 Quoting: *Evan*


You obviously can't remember the "30 Days of Terror" that began on Obama's birthday in 2014 then eh?

That's the day the words "It's Good To Be King" are uttered
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You got that right, I don't REMEMBER anything from the FUTURE
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Someone might want to tell the Israeli forces massing on the GAZA border that they are only there for a picnic and nothing's going to happen...
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How about putting 2 and 2 together and noticing the fact that an "unidentified" aircraft got 26 miles inside Israeli terrority before being intercepted, coming from Gaza on October 6th

If it took that long for it to be detected, a multitude of those "secret" planes will be dropping bombs on those forces massing on the border

They are sitting ducks, like sacrificial lambs IMO

This aggression will be ended in a day

I call it aggression because thats what it is, from both sides
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27886062


I really don't think you know much about how modern military operates.
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That may be true SHR

But i don know how other things operate
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Well alrighty then...

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SHR! I'm one of your biggest fans, but I disagree here.

I think Israel is on the verge of capitulating to the various sources of pressure. I don't think they have the stomach for a real operation. In fact I don't think I can remember a more unimpressive military operation than the IDF is carrying (or not carrying out).

They change their entire plans based on single deaths, injuries, or captures of their men. I don't know what Israel is doing, but via statements from their leaders today, they are laying the groundwork for "wussing out".
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SHR! I'm one of your biggest fans, but I disagree here.

I think Israel is on the verge of capitulating to the various sources of pressure. I don't think they have the stomach for a real operation. In fact I don't think I can remember a more unimpressive military operation than the IDF is carrying (or not carrying out).

They change their entire plans based on single deaths, injuries, or captures of their men. I don't know what Israel is doing, but via statements from their leaders today, they are laying the groundwork for "wussing out".
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We'll see...but I don't believe Israel is going to just walk away this time with rockets falling into Jerusalem and Tel Aviv...
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Soon to be played out on American soil...
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I highly doubt that
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You obviously can't remember the "30 Days of Terror" that began on Obama's birthday in 2014 then eh?

That's the day the words "It's Good To Be King" are uttered
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You got that right, I don't REMEMBER anything from the FUTURE
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That's because you are convinced it's 2012 and your living in it
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I highly doubt that
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You obviously can't remember the "30 Days of Terror" that began on Obama's birthday in 2014 then eh?

That's the day the words "It's Good To Be King" are uttered
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27886062


You got that right, I don't REMEMBER anything from the FUTURE
 Quoting: *Evan*


That's because you are convinced it's 2012 and your living in it
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Yup, you're right again.

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