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I won't hire people who use poor grammar. Here's why:

 
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If you think an apostrophe was one of the 12 disciples of Jesus, you will never work for me. If you think a semicolon is a regular colon with an identity crisis, I will not hire you. If you scatter commas into a sentence with all the discrimination of a shotgun, you might make it to the foyer before we politely escort you from the building.

Some might call my approach to grammar extreme, but I prefer Lynne Truss's more cuddly phraseology: I am a grammar "stickler." And, like Truss — author of Eats, Shoots & Leaves — I have a "zero tolerance approach" to grammar mistakes that make people look stupid.

Now, Truss and I disagree on what it means to have "zero tolerance." She thinks that people who mix up their itses "deserve to be struck by lightning, hacked up on the spot and buried in an unmarked grave," while I just think they deserve to be passed over for a job — even if they are otherwise qualified for the position.

Everyone who applies for a position at either of my companies, iFixit or Dozuki, takes a mandatory grammar test. Extenuating circumstances aside (dyslexia, English language learners, etc.), if job hopefuls can't distinguish between "to" and "too," their applications go into the bin.

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I write much better than I speak. What about those cases?
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Poor grammar is sorta like having terrible taste in clothes, it's hard to take someone who has either seriously.
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Sorta? Really?
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Re: I won't hire people who use poor grammar. Here's why:
Just remmember parentheses may also be nested (with one set (such as this) inside another set). This is not commonly used in formal writing [though sometimes other brackets (especially parentheses) will be used for one or more inner set of parentheses (in other words, secondary {or even tertiary} phrases can be found within the main sentence)].
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Damn. applause2
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Re: I won't hire people who use poor grammar. Here's why:
As much as I hate to admit it because Im the worst when
it comes to grammar OP has a good point.


But OP you will never have me I did fail English in high school but got high achievments in physics maths and chemistry and also did pretty good in higher education.

I have also seen some very intelligent people with no education whatsoever and i have employed and worked with
some highly educated but totally useless people.

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Truth.
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Re: I won't hire people who use poor grammar. Here's why:
If you think an apostrophe was one of the 12 disciples of Jesus, you will never work for me. If you think a semicolon is a regular colon with an identity crisis, I will not hire you. If you scatter commas into a sentence with all the discrimination of a shotgun, you might make it to the foyer before we politely escort you from the building.

Some might call my approach to grammar extreme, but I prefer Lynne Truss's more cuddly phraseology: I am a grammar "stickler." And, like Truss — author of Eats, Shoots & Leaves — I have a "zero tolerance approach" to grammar mistakes that make people look stupid.

Now, Truss and I disagree on what it means to have "zero tolerance." She thinks that people who mix up their itses "deserve to be struck by lightning, hacked up on the spot and buried in an unmarked grave," while I just think they deserve to be passed over for a job — even if they are otherwise qualified for the position.

Everyone who applies for a position at either of my companies, iFixit or Dozuki, takes a mandatory grammar test. Extenuating circumstances aside (dyslexia, English language learners, etc.), if job hopefuls can't distinguish between "to" and "too," their applications go into the bin.

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Why, he, don,t can, job, to, give, for, me,? I worky want englisb speaky good very.I
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Re: I won't hire people who use poor grammar. Here's why:
If you think an apostrophe was one of the 12 disciples of Jesus, you will never work for me. If you think a semicolon is a regular colon with an identity crisis, I will not hire you. If you scatter commas into a sentence with all the discrimination of a shotgun, you might make it to the foyer before we politely escort you from the building.

Some might call my approach to grammar extreme, but I prefer Lynne Truss's more cuddly phraseology: I am a grammar "stickler." And, like Truss — author of Eats, Shoots & Leaves — I have a "zero tolerance approach" to grammar mistakes that make people look stupid.

Now, Truss and I disagree on what it means to have "zero tolerance." She thinks that people who mix up their itses "deserve to be struck by lightning, hacked up on the spot and buried in an unmarked grave," while I just think they deserve to be passed over for a job — even if they are otherwise qualified for the position.

Everyone who applies for a position at either of my companies, iFixit or Dozuki, takes a mandatory grammar test. Extenuating circumstances aside (dyslexia, English language learners, etc.), if job hopefuls can't distinguish between "to" and "too," their applications go into the bin.

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I had 2 black female students in my office yesterday begging for grades. I could hardly understand a word they said. Ebonics is geting worse.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: I won't hire people who use poor grammar. Here's why:
If you think an apostrophe was one of the 12 disciples of Jesus, you will never work for me. If you think a semicolon is a regular colon with an identity crisis, I will not hire you. If you scatter commas into a sentence with all the discrimination of a shotgun, you might make it to the foyer before we politely escort you from the building.

Some might call my approach to grammar extreme, but I prefer Lynne Truss's more cuddly phraseology: I am a grammar "stickler." And, like Truss — author of Eats, Shoots & Leaves — I have a "zero tolerance approach" to grammar mistakes that make people look stupid.

Now, Truss and I disagree on what it means to have "zero tolerance." She thinks that people who mix up their itses "deserve to be struck by lightning, hacked up on the spot and buried in an unmarked grave," while I just think they deserve to be passed over for a job — even if they are otherwise qualified for the position.

Everyone who applies for a position at either of my companies, iFixit or Dozuki, takes a mandatory grammar test. Extenuating circumstances aside (dyslexia, English language learners, etc.), if job hopefuls can't distinguish between "to" and "too," their applications go into the bin.

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 Quoting: Harvard 1028494


Kyle Wiens is an educated troll. He thinks by graduating from Harvard, it gives him a right to troll others.

I have a few degrees from Harvard, and could care less about people's grammar.

I wouldn't hire Kyle for anything, let alone make him CEO of a retarded company that's been spoon fed.

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You may well have a few degrees from Harvard however based on your comment few would easily believe you.

"...I could care less about grammar" suggests that you in fact agree with the Op and do care. If you actually disagree then you are illustrating his point beautifully. A good command of grammar is absolutely neccessary to make yourself clearly understood. Statements like the one above lead to miscommunication and misunderstandings. In business, it often leads to poor service, poor reputation and loss of earnings. Write how you like informally but if somebody can't be bothered to take a job application seriously enough to write to the company properly (using formal English), what does that say about them? It's not unreasonable to assume that the candidate is sloppy and does not pay attention to detail, thus making them look unprofessional. You can't blame the employer for wanting competant staff.

What I really don't get is why on one hand the GLP community recognises the dumbing down of society (the creating of sheeple) and is offended by it while on the other hand vehemently defends and advocates poor education.
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Generally poor elucution is an indicator of lack of manners to. It is like the person is saying they don't care enough to speak in a way that the recipient can easily interpret.
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elocution - please excuse my ignorance
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Re: I won't hire people who use poor grammar. Here's why:
If you think an apostrophe was one of the 12 disciples of Jesus, you will never work for me. If you think a semicolon is a regular colon with an identity crisis, I will not hire you. If you scatter commas into a sentence with all the discrimination of a shotgun, you might make it to the foyer before we politely escort you from the building.

Some might call my approach to grammar extreme, but I prefer Lynne Truss's more cuddly phraseology: I am a grammar "stickler." And, like Truss — author of Eats, Shoots & Leaves — I have a "zero tolerance approach" to grammar mistakes that make people look stupid.

Now, Truss and I disagree on what it means to have "zero tolerance." She thinks that people who mix up their itses "deserve to be struck by lightning, hacked up on the spot and buried in an unmarked grave," while I just think they deserve to be passed over for a job — even if they are otherwise qualified for the position.

Everyone who applies for a position at either of my companies, iFixit or Dozuki, takes a mandatory grammar test. Extenuating circumstances aside (dyslexia, English language learners, etc.), if job hopefuls can't distinguish between "to" and "too," their applications go into the bin.

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clappa

cheers
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Re: I won't hire people who use poor grammar. Here's why:
Generally poor elucution is an indicator of lack of manners to. It is like the person is saying they don't care enough to speak in a way that the recipient can easily interpret.
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elocution - please excuse my ignorance
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And "...a lack of manners too."
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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If you think an apostrophe was one of the 12 disciples of Jesus, you will never work for me. If you think a semicolon is a regular colon with an identity crisis, I will not hire you. If you scatter commas into a sentence with all the discrimination of a shotgun, you might make it to the foyer before we politely escort you from the building.

Some might call my approach to grammar extreme, but I prefer Lynne Truss's more cuddly phraseology: I am a grammar "stickler." And, like Truss — author of Eats, Shoots & Leaves — I have a "zero tolerance approach" to grammar mistakes that make people look stupid.

Now, Truss and I disagree on what it means to have "zero tolerance." She thinks that people who mix up their itses "deserve to be struck by lightning, hacked up on the spot and buried in an unmarked grave," while I just think they deserve to be passed over for a job — even if they are otherwise qualified for the position.

Everyone who applies for a position at either of my companies, iFixit or Dozuki, takes a mandatory grammar test. Extenuating circumstances aside (dyslexia, English language learners, etc.), if job hopefuls can't distinguish between "to" and "too," their applications go into the bin.

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Thank GOD someone is out there trying to hold people to a higher standard. The idiots on GLP almost think its hilarious to be RETARDED. Well...at least in the REAL WORLD someone will hold them responsible for LEARNING the English Language.

clappa
watching the "run up" to the elections and the "hopes and dreams" that are built as a result is like watching a dead mouse that is still able to make his exercise wheel go around because his nerves are still twitching that familiar motion...
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Ferk you Derp
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Re: I won't hire people who use poor grammar. Here's why:
If you think an apostrophe was one of the 12 disciples of Jesus, you will never work for me. If you think a semicolon is a regular colon with an identity crisis, I will not hire you. If you scatter commas into a sentence with all the discrimination of a shotgun, you might make it to the foyer before we politely escort you from the building.

Some might call my approach to grammar extreme, but I prefer Lynne Truss's more cuddly phraseology: I am a grammar "stickler." And, like Truss — author of Eats, Shoots & Leaves — I have a "zero tolerance approach" to grammar mistakes that make people look stupid.

Now, Truss and I disagree on what it means to have "zero tolerance." She thinks that people who mix up their itses "deserve to be struck by lightning, hacked up on the spot and buried in an unmarked grave," while I just think they deserve to be passed over for a job — even if they are otherwise qualified for the position.

Everyone who applies for a position at either of my companies, iFixit or Dozuki, takes a mandatory grammar test. Extenuating circumstances aside (dyslexia, English language learners, etc.), if job hopefuls can't distinguish between "to" and "too," their applications go into the bin.

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Fuck you did I spell that right
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Re: I won't hire people who use poor grammar. Here's why:
If you think an apostrophe was one of the 12 disciples of Jesus, you will never work for me. If you think a semicolon is a regular colon with an identity crisis, I will not hire you. If you scatter commas into a sentence with all the discrimination of a shotgun, you might make it to the foyer before we politely escort you from the building.

Some might call my approach to grammar extreme, but I prefer Lynne Truss's more cuddly phraseology: I am a grammar "stickler." And, like Truss — author of Eats, Shoots & Leaves — I have a "zero tolerance approach" to grammar mistakes that make people look stupid.

Now, Truss and I disagree on what it means to have "zero tolerance." She thinks that people who mix up their itses "deserve to be struck by lightning, hacked up on the spot and buried in an unmarked grave," while I just think they deserve to be passed over for a job — even if they are otherwise qualified for the position.

Everyone who applies for a position at either of my companies, iFixit or Dozuki, takes a mandatory grammar test. Extenuating circumstances aside (dyslexia, English language learners, etc.), if job hopefuls can't distinguish between "to" and "too," their applications go into the bin.

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Fuck you did I spell that right
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Yes, you did. Well done. Still though, it lacks impact without correct punctuation. Language is a tool that only provides optimum results when used correctly.
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didnt even read the OP but can say this much go FK YOURSELF OP
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guess what buster it doesn't take a fluent perfectionist in grammer to understand something in the cosmos now does it.

Try a little cosmic love maybe we can cross that threshold together, because God didn't have just you in mine to understand him,,,,, Peace and Love there old fellow....x+
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Re: I won't hire people who use poor grammar. Here's why:
The article is by Kyle Wiens who I would assume to have German heritage, or French, perhaps.
Kyle clearly has a fair grip on the English language but has clearly missed the constant evolution factor that has caused the English language to be the most widely used language in international business for several excellent reasons.
For example, French, The French Academy restrictions have constipated the French language and expansion of their dictionary for many years, resulting in the adoption of many word of American and British lineage to describe their daily existence.
As the United States had an educational system founded from the beginning with a strong focus on Anglicizing immigrants from diverse cultures it's initial obsession with grammar and punctuation became obsessive.
The function of language is to make ones self clearly understood ?
Having been educated in the U.K. I can inform the Harvard elitist's that the British do not focus on grammar or punctuation with the anality of Americans .
Having visited many an American classroom I can honestly say that the British system of accentuating content is a far more pleasurable method of using the 'Alleged English language' than is the anal Franco-Germanic snobbery practiced in the North American system.
The British isles are a trading nation and it's language is formed from a multitude of languages, try these on for size Grasshopper, Gaelic-Celtic-Welsh,Pictish,Hebrew,Aramaic, Hebrew,Roman/Latin,Angle,Saxon,Arabic,Indian, Urdu,Dutch,French,German, Portuguese,Cantonese,Mandarin and on and on and on.
The English language, in truth has very few hard and fast rules for a purist, grammar and punctuation are, at best secondary, content is the possession of the language and 9/10th's of the lore, (That's not a typo.)
English is alive,flexible, malleable, changeable,evolutionary,revolutionary and non exclusionary.
It lives.
Kurt Vonnegut is not Bill Shakespeare who wrote little like
Jack Kerouac who had very little in common with Charles Dickens or Charlotte Bronte.
In other words, grammar is the realm of the writers of instruction manuals, as is punctuation and perhaps even spelling, for even that is flexible,(color/colour,UK/USA English,e.g.)
Ti's clay in your hand.
A Phillipino airline pilot is landing in Dusseldorf , Germany, and a Japanese air line pilot pilot is landing in Rio Di Janeiro, By international law the aircraft and landing tower must communicate in what language?
English ! Global law, the language of business.
It is alive, growing and the rules are ALWAYS subject to change, personal interpretation and understandabilty was,is and always will be the primary function of the English language.
In fact you can all most make it up as you go along and will always be on the winningest team ! (winningest, I love that one !)
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You nailed it, bro!
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didnt even read the OP but can say this much go FK YOURSELF OP
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YOU'RE FIRED!

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OP just had a heart attack
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Ok then mr harvard why are you here at GLP? hmmmm?
Seems you want to hi jack someone's idea?

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Re: I won't hire people who use poor grammar. Here's why:
If you think an apostrophe was one of the 12 disciples of Jesus, you will never work for me. If you think a semicolon is a regular colon with an identity crisis, I will not hire you. If you scatter commas into a sentence with all the discrimination of a shotgun, you might make it to the foyer before we politely escort you from the building.

Some might call my approach to grammar extreme, but I prefer Lynne Truss's more cuddly phraseology: I am a grammar "stickler." And, like Truss — author of Eats, Shoots & Leaves — I have a "zero tolerance approach" to grammar mistakes that make people look stupid.

Now, Truss and I disagree on what it means to have "zero tolerance." She thinks that people who mix up their itses "deserve to be struck by lightning, hacked up on the spot and buried in an unmarked grave," while I just think they deserve to be passed over for a job — even if they are otherwise qualified for the position.

Everyone who applies for a position at either of my companies, iFixit or Dozuki, takes a mandatory grammar test. Extenuating circumstances aside (dyslexia, English language learners, etc.), if job hopefuls can't distinguish between "to" and "too," their applications go into the bin.

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clappa

cheers
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And, like Truss — author of Eats, Shoots & Leaves — I have a "zero tolerance approach" to grammar mistakes that make people look stupid.

Just saying, clappa fella.
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Re: I won't hire people who use poor grammar. Here's why:
In the "full on ME war" thread, someone said that Jews are "half bread". Made a great joke, IF you know how to spell and punctuate. Just pointing out that a reasonable degree of language proficiency can save your life:

"Let's eat Grandma!" vs. "Let's eat, Grandma!"

Last Edited by Keep2theCode on 11/17/2012 10:26 AM
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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my poor grammar?
Wtf has my grandmother to do with my job?!
May she rest in piece.
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guess what buster it doesn't take a fluent perfectionist in grammer to understand something in the cosmos now does it.

Try a little cosmic love maybe we can cross that threshold together, because God didn't have just you in mine to understand him,,,,, Peace and Love there old fellow....x+
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Of course not. But understanding something yourself and having the capacity to clearly relay that information to other people does. Well, you don't have to be a perfectionist but a basic use of commas, quotation marks, question marks, full stops and capital letters goes a long way.

The thing is, much of this grammar is naturally implemented in speech so in most cases not using the punctuation when writing is nothing more than laziness. Which is fine(annoying but fine) if you actually know the mistakes you are making but what about the people who, for whatever reason, actually don't know?

Cosmic love works for the good of everyone: lazy people who know how to write but refuse to do so properly are not helping those whose language skills are not as strong as their own by reinforcing grammatical errors.

As a chatroom community (or any community for that matter), shouldn't we want people to succeed? An easy and non-invasive way might be by setting an example in how you write. Everyone makes mistakes here and there and I'm not suggesting that the grammar police ought to be called in but, wouldn't it just be common courtesy to write coherently?

Furthermore, rather than attacking the Op, which many have done, why not just say 'thanks for the heads up - I'll bear that in mind the next time I am applying for a job'?!

Cosmic love is everywhere but you have to try and see the good in things. I veiw this post as being positive because it will probably help some GLPer find work in the future.
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Poor grammar is sorta like having terrible taste in clothes, it's hard to take someone who has either seriously.
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Exactly!

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