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First time gun buyer/owner - suggestions?? | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20129820  United Kingdom11/17/2012 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the way I see it is that if TSHF, you will need a small concealed carry weapon for your protection ... a sig sauer P230 is ideal, small light and is effective at short range Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20129820 if you walk around with a large huntig rifle or shotgun or colt 45, you will get mugged for your weapon if you ar a woman and need something for hunting, you will then need an additional weapon that is light, easy to fire etc and that has 25-30 rounds per magazine thats why I suggested the sig sauer p522 .... good for hunting small deer/rabbits etc ... and can be a backup for protection as it takes lots of rounds and will be very effective at close range if you are a butch strong woman,and elephant and moose are on your menu, then this caibre will not be suited This is a fine example of ADVICE NOT TO TAKE! I wont even bother to point out every flaw in this reasoning, as it is pretty self apparent. Hunting rabbits and deer with a sig...Shit, this guy is about as sharp as a bowling ball... yea ... I dont live in texas where bigger is best .... and walk around wallmart with a shotgun or AK47 ... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 3236213  United States11/17/2012 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Something simple would be a ruger 10/22 rifle. Ammo is cheap. A good 1st timers firearm. Extra clips are cheap also. The rifle, 2 extra 25 round clips, a carry case, cleaning equipment and 1000 rounds should cost no more than $500.Most come with a scope. No recoil so you also would have an easy time shooting. Go to a firing range & have some fun. Downside is it doesn't have great stopping power. If you decide to purchase a weapon, make the sure the salesperson gets you everything you need for a new gun owner. Learn safety & cleaning. The 22 rifle is more meant for target practice...small animal hunting. But it is a weapon & anyone that may be hit with a round will know it. Be safe & have fun....( 99.9% chance you'll never have to point it at another fellow man. ) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27340364 United States11/17/2012 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If TSHTF, you'll be picking up ammo off of many of the dead. Many of them will have military grade weapons, bought with taxpayer money and as of recent news, will be chambered with .40 S&W and .223 rounds. Locals in urban areas: 9mm, .38, .45, 12/20 ga, .40 Rural areas (VT, Midwest, Texas): a mix including .308, .30-06, 7.62x39, .223 and everything in between. Just thinking logistically and just sayin. This is a sad way for America to go out if it truly comes to this. :( |
amywood71605 (OP) User ID: 6456047 United States11/17/2012 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, more replies, just noticed =) Got busy today and have to work tonight (3rd shift) and try to sleep tomorrow, but next Saturday hubby and I do plan to go to at least one gun shop to get started. Thanks again everyone! Amy Wood Proud mother, wife, student and homemaker. "Live each day like it's your last, love like you've never been hurt, and dance like no one is watching." |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 5788499 United Kingdom11/17/2012 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Something simple would be a ruger 10/22 rifle,,, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3236213 Downside is it doesn't have great stopping power,,, Hear that all the time. Think smacking someone in the forehead with 40 grains of hot lead moving at 1200 feet per second doesn't hurt? Get enough of those rounds down range and the bad guys will quickly decide to move on to a "softer" target. A husband and wife team armed with 22 LR semi-auto rifles could defend themselves quite well if the need arises. You got to hit the target or you might as well be throwing rocks. 500 rds of quality ammunition can be had for less than 30 bucks which means you can afford to practice enough to get good at it and have a meaningful supply put back for "social engagements". |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18937171  Sweden11/17/2012 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the point is the optic is overkill for the weapon. You are not going to be shooting acurately at 250 yards with a friggen 22. which is why rimfire scopes scopes are usually in the 2-5 power range. A centerfire rifle optic of that magnification regardless of objective lens size on a 22 is rediculess. You should have put that money into a weapon capable of accurately shooting at those distances in the first place there gedunk Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1236619 just for you there wingnut. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.snipershide.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27340364 United States11/17/2012 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Had EXCELLENT results with this, CHEAP, Hollow Point and not one misfire! :) [link to www.basspro.com] |
| NonAlignedEntity User ID: 26696239 United States11/17/2012 08:18 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For cheap but versatile use, I'd suggest the Circuit Judge. [link to www.rossiusa.com] It's got a simple revolver action with stock for stability and a rifle sized barrel for range and ease of use. It's a beauty. Also, it shoots shotgun shells and handgun ammunition, .410 GA. 3-inch Magnum shotshells, .410 GA. 2.5-inch shotshells and .45 Colt ammunition. The Taurus Judge is a handgun version and is devastating at close range. Check out some youtube videos and see what you think. Overstand, this isn't a sermon from the hill, but a 'Trespassers Will Be Shot' Sign. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26620293 United States11/17/2012 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Colt 6920 AR15 carbine. There is no better first rifle or home defense weapon. Light recoil, light weight, and easy to point and shoot. Mount a flashlight on it's perfect. Tactical carbines are super popular with professional shooters for a reason. [link to www.coltsmfg.com] |
| Big Irish Bastard User ID: 25799108 United States11/17/2012 08:54 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Buy a double action revolver. A .38 special. There are no safties to forget to click off, no slides to forget to rack. You pull the trigger and it goes bang, every time. No jams, no surprise discharges that take your kids' head off, far fewer accidents. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27855972 Revolvers are much easier, safer and more reliable for a beginner such as yourself. +1 Sometimes you have to run, before you can walk. |
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| Aquarius58 May The Faith Be With You User ID: 1347659 United States11/17/2012 09:04 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mossberg FLEX 500/590 Modular Shotgun System I have the 590T [link to www.gunsamerica.com] Last Edited by Aquarius58 on 11/17/2012 09:15 PM The Physical World is a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, coated in a conundrum, basted with a paradox and garnished with uncertainty… Look to Orion... [link to www.nderf.org] |
| THE Professor ! User ID: 16389604 United States11/17/2012 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Slightly OFF topic, but didn't want to make another thread. Anyone know if Natchez Shooters Supples OR ANY other ammo suppliers are SHARING the amount and type ammo you order with DHS, Feds, etc. so they know you have those specific weapons ? Apologies, OP ! |
| Redpaw360 User ID: 11235712 United States11/17/2012 09:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted this in a response on another thread, but want to get as many answers as possible...... Quoting: amywood71605 Over the last year-ish I've been trying to work on preparing - canned foods, toilet paper, diapers and wipes, water, OTC meds like Tylenol, cold/flu meds, etc, food for my pets, stashing some cash away, but a gun was not something I really thought about, but now I am. If SHTF badly - I want to be able to protect my family - and protect our stuff from thieves who weren't so prepared. I'll leave shooting it to hubby though, haha unless I have to of course. Serious question - what would anyone recommend for us?? Neither of us hunt, so don't have much experience with guns. I'd like something that can protect us, and something that we can use to hunt should that be necessary. Suggestions welcome - I'm totally seriously thinking about buying one. Money doesn't matter too much - I'll spend to have something good, but at the same time do not want to spend a ridiculously high amount either..... AMY, Do not use a pistol, rifle for home defense. That is one thing I can tell you for sure. I've been around weapons my whole life, and I would recommend a shotgun. Nothing too tactical, but something with a rail on top (for a sight) The reason you shouldn't use pistol/rifle in the house is simple, those bullets will pierce through walls, and possibly create collateral damage. Back to the shotgun. I would recommend a Mossberg, or Benelli. Auto is good, but pump action is a classic. There are many types of ammunition for a shotgun- Salt Slug Magnum Birdshot Buckshot etc... as for hunting, you want a secondary for this(you don't want to litter your dinner with bullets...) The KEL-TEC SU-16 is a good choice, because it can store magazines in the buttstock, is foldable, and easy to handle for a novice, and extremely accurate for a veteran. I hope this helps. Love, Another Concerned American. excellent Oregon Constitution Article I, Section 27 The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence of themselves, and the State, but the Military shall be kept in strict subordination to the civil power. |
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| zenobiaphobia Dancing to the beat of a skinless drum User ID: 27968504 United States11/17/2012 09:11 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A .410 is excellent for hunting, and has minimal recoil. You can use different shot for different applications. A lot of people hate this gun (here is some hate for balance: [link to www.gundogsonline.com] ) But I found it to be good for everything from deer to rats. Books relevant to our current situation will appear here at random: [link to archive.org] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20901334 United States11/17/2012 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For cheap but versatile use, I'd suggest the Circuit Judge. Quoting: NonAlignedEntity [link to www.rossiusa.com] It's got a simple revolver action with stock for stability and a rifle sized barrel for range and ease of use. It's a beauty. Also, it shoots shotgun shells and handgun ammunition, .410 GA. 3-inch Magnum shotshells, .410 GA. 2.5-inch shotshells and .45 Colt ammunition. The Taurus Judge is a handgun version and is devastating at close range. Check out some youtube videos and see what you think. Nobody would recommend a .410 full sized shot gun for self defense, to suggest one in pistol form is ridiculous. They are too big to carry, utterly pathetic stopping power and way over priced for what they are and can do. A .22 long pistol would be a better choice than that POS. No matter what the experts on YOUTUBE think. |
| EVIL_BEAN_KID User ID: 24387058 United States11/17/2012 10:10 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | .410 Shotgun, you can get heavy enough shotgun shells to knock down most birds and small animals, and if you need it for self defense you can fire .45 long colts pistol rounds through it... Quoting: Saddletramp yeah try that with a choked .410 and see what happens hint: they are all choked unless they are designed to fire .45lc THERES NO PREPS I CAN'T FIND |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4942506 United States11/17/2012 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted this in a response on another thread, but want to get as many answers as possible...... Quoting: amywood71605 Over the last year-ish I've been trying to work on preparing - canned foods, toilet paper, diapers and wipes, water, OTC meds like Tylenol, cold/flu meds, etc, food for my pets, stashing some cash away, but a gun was not something I really thought about, but now I am. If SHTF badly - I want to be able to protect my family - and protect our stuff from thieves who weren't so prepared. I'll leave shooting it to hubby though, haha unless I have to of course. Serious question - what would anyone recommend for us?? Neither of us hunt, so don't have much experience with guns. I'd like something that can protect us, and something that we can use to hunt should that be necessary. Suggestions welcome - I'm totally seriously thinking about buying one. Money doesn't matter too much - I'll spend to have something good, but at the same time do not want to spend a ridiculously high amount either..... DO NOT!! BECAUSE OF "MERS" AND YOUR CRIMINAL BANK, YOU WILL NEVER OWN IT............. so just rent......... Peace :)  |
| A9BALLKID User ID: 27660589 United States11/17/2012 10:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | start with a .22 long bolt action rifle and or a single shot .410 shotgun and .22 long ruger pistol any model for begineers. You have to learn the basics first before you can shoot a larger caliber. I learned on a old trainer single shot .22 army rifle and a new england .410 as a young kid. Practice practice practice get some help or training if needed. My current loadout is a mossberg 835 pump, taurus 9mm millenium pro carry and S&W 5.56 ORC carbine these are my main weapons of choice. My wife carry's a .38 ultralight for carry but can use any of our guns for defense. Quoting: WAKEUPAMERICA01 Basically I'd agree with these recommendations . If you're not gun people, many of the suggestions in this thread will be very intimidating. I'd recommend a moss erg 20 ga shotgun. Not too bad a kick and usefully more powerful than a 410, and generally I think easier to find ammo. For guns, get a ruger .22 pistol with the 4.5 " barrel. Very accurate and still reasonably small to stuff in a coat pocket. A good .22 rifle like a ruger 10/22 with a scope is about as easy to shoot as a bb gun. You can buy. Tons of ammo cheap, it. Doesn't take up. Much room and you can practice afternoon for a few bucks. Get comfortable with your guns. Tough guys will say what they may, but well placed .22 shots have killed many a deer and you won't find many 2 legged predators volunteering to be shot in the eye with one. You'll gain comfort and confidence quickly and that'swaymore important than having a cannon you're scared of. |
| EVIL_BEAN_KID User ID: 24387058 United States11/17/2012 10:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, just an FYI, anybody that recommends the ruger 10/22, or the rem 870, or glock specifically, is a know-nothing youtube warrior that is just throwing around names to earn instant credibility. mall ninja tacti-cool tards. theres TONS of great .22 available, theres TONS of great shotguns available, and any shooter will agree that the mossberg 500 is a better shotgun and cheaper to buy than the remington. THERES NO PREPS I CAN'T FIND |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27876137 United States11/17/2012 10:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FN Five-seveN USG, Dark Earth, Adjustable Sights, 20RD The FN Five-seveN® single-action autoloading pistol fires the low-recoil 5.7x28mm cartridge making it ideal for personal protection, target shooting or NRA Tactical Police Competition. It features a textured, ergonomic polymer frame with checkered panels for enhanced grip. Accurate out to about 100 years so yes, you could hunt with it. It is a pistol that fires a small rifle shell It is powerful, and nice and pointy, so not much is going to stop it. 20 rounds in each standard clip Light ammo so you can haul a shit load of it. Low recoil for easy target reaquisition after each shot fired. The only down fall. 1. cost at almost 1100 dollars, but what is your life worth. 2. ammo is hard to get, so you would need to stock up, and forget about scavenging for it later. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27876137 United States11/17/2012 10:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Saiga 12 shotgun. It is a street sweeper, it is a huge force multiplier. loaded with 00 buck you become a one person army. Why? Because when you pull out your shit, the last thing you want is to realize you don't have enough fire power for the situtation. I am a non violent person, but with that said, I do not want to die because I underestimated how bad things could potentially get. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27876137 United States11/17/2012 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oldy but a goody. The ultimate end of the world gun, AK-47 drop it in the dirt, whatever, you would have to be trying to destroy this gun in order for it not to work. Can't go wrong, and the full metal jacket will penetrate 8 inches of wood, so use your imagination on that one. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27876137 United States11/17/2012 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ruger 10/22 small game, to large game this one is a classic. Power matters little whenever you can drop a bullet in on a quarter size target at 100 yards and stay on target for the next 32 shots. Any thing living that gets a .22 shell in the eye isn't getting back up. Plus sides ammo is abundant ammo is light weight you can carry thousands of rounds comes in a break down configuration for back packs After market add ons, magazines, stocks, scopes are gigantic Great fun to shoot so you will practice, because it has no recoil, no need for ear protection. Ammo is cheap, cheap, cheap, and so is the gun. This is a great great gun. Girls love this gun. A friend of mine said he use to bring down dear with his, but that would be illegal so I'm sure he's lying. |
