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Berkey vs Reverse Osmosis vs Distiller...Experts, please help me!

 
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wow, i posted about spring water and the TRUTH and you guys argue like little children, look at you cry and relish in your stupid ignorance.

"I also do not recommend drinking rain water. It is distilled, low in minerals and therefore "hungry" water. It has fallen through the atmosphere and picks up many contaminants that are in the air. Also, once it reaches the ground, it attracts whatever minerals happen to be in the gutters, cisterns and other collection devices. These are often toxic metals such as cadmium, lead and others."

rain water is SUB PART TO SPRING WATER. GET OVER IT.
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what you are basically arguing is the water needs more dirt, that is what spring water is, rain water that has collected dirt (dirt comes from rocks). it is false the more pure the water is the better, howeverit can be done de ionizing, RO, Distilling (absolute best)
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Experiments in animals, primarily rats, for up to one-year periods have repeatedly shown that the intake of distilled water or water with TDS ≤ 75 mg/l leads to: 1) increased water intake, diuresis, extracellular fluid volume, and
serum concentrations of sodium (Na) and chloride (Cl) ions and their increased elimination from the body, resulting in an overall negative balance if it is not adequately compensated from food, and 2) lower volumes of red cells and some other hematocrit changes (WHO 1980).

Although recent studies (Rakhmanin et al. 1989) did not find mutagenic or gonadotoxic effects of distilled water, they did add new knowledge about decreased secretion of tri-iodothyronine and aldosterone, increased secretion of cortisol, morphological changes in the kidneys including a more pronounced atrophy of glomeruli, and swollen vascular endothelium limiting the blood flow. Reduced skeletal ossification was also found in rat foetuses whose dams were given distilled water in a one-year study.
Apparently the reduced mineral intake from water was not compensated by their diets.


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It has been adequately demonstrated that consuming water of low mineral content has a negative effect on homeostasis mechanisms, compromising the mineral and water metabolism in the body. An increase in urine output (i.e.,increase diuresis) is associated with an increase in excretion of major intra- and extracellular ions from the body fluids, their negative balance, and changes in body water levels and functional activity of some body water management-dependent hormones.
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yes if you drink distilled water for the next 6 months and eat nothing you're in trouble i agreeapplause2
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Additional evidence comes from animal experiments and clinical
observations in several countries.
Animals given zinc or magnesium dosed in their drinking water had a significantly higher concentration of these elements in the serum than animals given the same elements in much higher amounts with food and provided with low-mineral water to drink.

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It has been adequately demonstrated that consuming water of low mineral content has a negative effect on homeostasis mechanisms, compromising the mineral and water metabolism in the body. An increase in urine output (i.e.,increase diuresis) is associated with an increase in excretion of major intra- and extracellular ions from the body fluids, their negative balance, and changes in body water levels and functional activity of some body water management-dependent hormones.
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yes if you drink distilled water for the next 6 months and eat nothing you're in trouble i agreeapplause2
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Read my next post goofy goof tard
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It has been adequately demonstrated that consuming water of low mineral content has a negative effect on homeostasis mechanisms, compromising the mineral and water metabolism in the body. An increase in urine output (i.e.,increase diuresis) is associated with an increase in excretion of major intra- and extracellular ions from the body fluids, their negative balance, and changes in body water levels and functional activity of some body water management-dependent hormones.
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yes if you drink distilled water for the next 6 months and eat nothing you're in trouble i agreeapplause2
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Read my next post goofy goof tard
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um DUDE, you think rain water has minerals in it, you're beyond nuts. no amount of cutting and pasting things you don't understand will help.
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It has been adequately demonstrated that consuming water of low mineral content has a negative effect on homeostasis mechanisms, compromising the mineral and water metabolism in the body. An increase in urine output (i.e.,increase diuresis) is associated with an increase in excretion of major intra- and extracellular ions from the body fluids, their negative balance, and changes in body water levels and functional activity of some body water management-dependent hormones.
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yes if you drink distilled water for the next 6 months and eat nothing you're in trouble i agreeapplause2
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Read my next post goofy goof tard
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um DUDE, you think rain water has minerals in it, you're beyond nuts. no amount of cutting and pasting things you don't understand will help.
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Ummm dude let me guess, you only finished grade 6?
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I read a reviw online (Amazon maybe?) were the person said they figured out the electric usage (killowaat cost per hour or whatever) and that distilling your own water was cheaper than buying it in the nasty plastic gallon jugs.
I think they said 35¢ per gsllon to distill it yourself. that was a couple years ago but still.

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I read a reviw online (Amazon maybe?) were the person said they figured out the electric usage (killowaat cost per hour or whatever) and that distilling your own water was cheaper than buying it in the nasty plastic gallon jugs.
I think they said 35¢ per gsllon to distill it yourself. that was a couple years ago but still.

drinks

:water:
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true but a couple things to consider here...

#1 the distiller will cost about 500, the cheap ones don't last i wen't through 3 cheap distillers till i finally learned and got a 100% stainless steel one with a post charcoal filter for the VOCs.

the 500 dollar cost means this thing needs to last a while to pay for itself, but no more plastic jugs is worth it, where i am electricty is expensive almost 40 cents per gallon last time i figured it. the zero filter pitcher works well here in Oregon because the water is soft.
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# 2 was that cheap distillers suck, they seem to be made of crappy metal that you can somehow taste. i strongly recommend getting a good distiller made somewhere other than China
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It has been adequately demonstrated that consuming water of low mineral content has a negative effect on homeostasis mechanisms, compromising the mineral and water metabolism in the body. An increase in urine output (i.e.,increase diuresis) is associated with an increase in excretion of major intra- and extracellular ions from the body fluids, their negative balance, and changes in body water levels and functional activity of some body water management-dependent hormones.
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In which case you should provide adequate links to this information.
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Experiments in animals, primarily rats, for up to one-year periods have repeatedly shown that the intake of distilled water or water with TDS ≤ 75 mg/l leads to: 1) increased water intake, diuresis, extracellular fluid volume, and
serum concentrations of sodium (Na) and chloride (Cl) ions and their increased elimination from the body, resulting in an overall negative balance if it is not adequately compensated from food, and 2) lower volumes of red cells and some other hematocrit changes (WHO 1980).

Although recent studies (Rakhmanin et al. 1989) did not find mutagenic or gonadotoxic effects of distilled water, they did add new knowledge about decreased secretion of tri-iodothyronine and aldosterone, increased secretion of cortisol, morphological changes in the kidneys including a more pronounced atrophy of glomeruli, and swollen vascular endothelium limiting the blood flow. Reduced skeletal ossification was also found in rat foetuses whose dams were given distilled water in a one-year study.
Apparently the reduced mineral intake from water was not compensated by their diets.


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Need I repeat myself?
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11/17/2012 05:25 PM
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I don't see the point in people being hostile. Most people in the prepper movement are reasonable folk who are looking for rational ideas to cope.

I would advise you to consider filtration on your shower heads. Your skin is the largest organ, and it's very likely that fluoride could be absorbed there during showers. Baths too. Just another consideration.

Likewise swimming pools. Fluroide is a ridiculous notion based on very bad science. Not only that, but you're getting too much from dental rinses and toothpaste too.
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you're right i apoligize but the "distilled water is bad" crowd really pisses me off, as far a prep goes, who cares? all you need is a cpl drops of bleach and you can turn any tap water that has gone bad at least "drinkable",

, let it sit and evaporate for a half hour then put it through any filter you have or just drink it, fluoride be dammed.

the concern with fluoride is long term anyway it obviously does not kill you to drink it in a survival situation.
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My post was not a criticism of you, it was an observation about posting in general.

The OP asked about fluroidation i.e. "Hey which of these three is best for the purest fluoride free water with the CHEAPEST cost?" It's the only post I'm responding to.
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Need I repeat myself?
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you kinda do have to keep brainwashing yourself to believe rain water has minearals.
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11/17/2012 05:28 PM
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Berkey is good but they also do the most advertising. AquaRain is just as good and american made.
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this is the best ro+carbon charcoal+composite resin filter money can buy... I bought mine two years ago, it removes 99 percent of heavy metal particles from water including plutonium and fluoride! Im telling you it is fucking incredible.. it has 5 different filters and when i change them they are bright orange and black! My cats wont drink regular tap water that is not run through the filter.
It even has its own pump or you can by without the pump...
[link to www.amazon.com]
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THANK YOU FOR THE POST, OP...
GO TO WATER CURES FOR SOME MORE INFO

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berkley is junk. bought mine sent it back
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I don't see the point in people being hostile. Most people in the prepper movement are reasonable folk who are looking for rational ideas to cope.

I would advise you to consider filtration on your shower heads. Your skin is the largest organ, and it's very likely that fluoride could be absorbed there during showers. Baths too. Just another consideration.

Likewise swimming pools. Fluroide is a ridiculous notion based on very bad science. Not only that, but you're getting too much from dental rinses and toothpaste too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1110734


you're right i apoligize but the "distilled water is bad" crowd really pisses me off, as far a prep goes, who cares? all you need is a cpl drops of bleach and you can turn any tap water that has gone bad at least "drinkable",

, let it sit and evaporate for a half hour then put it through any filter you have or just drink it, fluoride be dammed.

the concern with fluoride is long term anyway it obviously does not kill you to drink it in a survival situation.
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The OP asked about fluroidation i.e. "Hey which of these three is best for the purest fluoride free water with the CHEAPEST cost?" It's the only post I'm responding to.
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i see, in that case here in the USA, here is what i've found...

if you have soft water the zero water is filter is best, it's not certified to remove flouride but if it meausres 000 and you have 2-4 ppm of fluoride in your water ...you do the math lol...

if the water is hard, the blue machines outside the grocery stores might be the best option, they cost 35 cents a gallon and they filter it through RO + a couple others then do UV treatment for bugs, probably would measure 2-4 ppm and most fluoride should be gone as well.

distilled water is best it will NEVER have fluoride but costs 80 cents to a dollar in stores and costs about 30 cents or so to make after you buy the distiller and like i said dont buy a cheap one.
My post was not a criticism of you, it was an observation about posting in general.
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I read a reviw online (Amazon maybe?) were the person said they figured out the electric usage (killowaat cost per hour or whatever) and that distilling your own water was cheaper than buying it in the nasty plastic gallon jugs.
I think they said 35¢ per gsllon to distill it yourself. that was a couple years ago but still.

drinks

:water:
 Quoting: Half Past Midnight


The distiller wins... hands down.. It takes out radiation and fluoride.. Distilled water is the best for your body.. Cheap.. $169 H20.com .. Nothing else to buy.. you will never regret it..
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Need I repeat myself?
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you kinda do have to keep brainwashing yourself to believe rain water has minearals.
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I commented on distilled water and urine. My first comment on rain water will be the following: We get plenty of chemtrails here at this time so I would not recommend it over the previous if you're in an area that is blessed with these.

You may want to learn how to spell, by the way.
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Need I repeat myself?
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you kinda do have to keep brainwashing yourself to believe rain water has minearals.
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I commented on distilled water and urine. My first comment on rain water will be the following: We get plenty of chemtrails here at this time so I would not recommend it over the previous if you're in an area that is blessed with these.

You may want to learn how to spell, by the way.
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if you are the jack ass saying we get minerals in rain water then please explain that. chem trails aside. rain water is plenty fine compared to tap water, the only problems are from bacteria involved in collection, debris bird poop etc. enough with the spelling police.
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Need I repeat myself?
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you kinda do have to keep brainwashing yourself to believe rain water has minearals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16702127


I commented on distilled water and urine. My first comment on rain water will be the following: We get plenty of chemtrails here at this time so I would not recommend it over the previous if you're in an area that is blessed with these.

You may want to learn how to spell, by the way.
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and don't even go there with drinking urine, 99.99999% of people cannot handle that, though ues it makes perfect sense as the kidneys seem like distillers
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that thing will break in a year if you try to make 2 gallons a day
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I read a reviw online (Amazon maybe?) were the person said they figured out the electric usage (killowaat cost per hour or whatever) and that distilling your own water was cheaper than buying it in the nasty plastic gallon jugs.
I think they said 35¢ per gsllon to distill it yourself. that was a couple years ago but still.

drinks

:water:
 Quoting: Half Past Midnight


The distiller wins... hands down.. It takes out radiation and fluoride.. Distilled water is the best for your body.. Cheap.. $169 H20.com .. Nothing else to buy.. you will never regret it..
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that thing will break in a year if you try to make 2 gallons a day
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if you are the jack ass saying we get minerals in rain water then please explain that. chem trails aside. rain water is plenty fine compared to tap water, the only problems are from bacteria involved in collection, debris bird poop etc.
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in western europe, rainwater has been too acidic for several decades. you don't drink that.
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Need I repeat myself?
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you kinda do have to keep brainwashing yourself to believe rain water has minearals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16702127


I commented on distilled water and urine. My first comment on rain water will be the following: We get plenty of chemtrails here at this time so I would not recommend it over the previous if you're in an area that is blessed with these.

You may want to learn how to spell, by the way.
 Quoting: db 4248441


if you are the jack ass saying we get minerals in rain water then please explain that. chem trails aside. rain water is plenty fine compared to tap water, the only problems are from bacteria involved in collection, debris bird poop etc. enough with the spelling police.
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I never mentioned rain water prior to my above quoted comment. You must have some other jackass in mind.
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if you are the jack ass saying we get minerals in rain water then please explain that. chem trails aside. rain water is plenty fine compared to tap water, the only problems are from bacteria involved in collection, debris bird poop etc.
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in western europe, rainwater has been too acidic for several decades. you don't drink that.
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Thank you Belgium.

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