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Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
[link to www.newstatesman.com]

It turns out the Higgs doesn’t have any hidden depths. There are no tantalising secrets to tease out. The boson has nothing to say about the universe that physics didn’t already know. Spending time together is turning out to be a chore for physics.
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
BTW, "boring" is the physicist code-word for "doesn't actually exist".

lol
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
Well....now they know.....but will they accept it?
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
BTW, "boring" is the physicist code-word for "doesn't actually exist".

lol
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It's also a word for, "we don't know what the fuck we are doing, so we just sit around all day"
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
Well....now they know.....but will they accept it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7521533


Sure, but only for the Higgs.


ON TO THE NEXT BIG SCIENTIFIC "DISCOVERY"

5a right to hell
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
[link to news.discovery.com]


This news has been out for a few days, since the 15th.

It's a wonder that it wasn't plastered all over the news and front page on the MSM websites like it was when it was "discovered"

Of course, "boring" is a relative term. The story of the hunt for the Higgs -- the 'exchange particle' that endows matter with mass -- reads like a Dan Brown novel, culminating in the construction of the biggest, boldest and most complex machine mankind has ever conceived: the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). There's more twists, turns and subplots than you can shake a lepton at.

But the famous Higgs boson, that until recently has been purely a theoretical particle only appearing in equations, looks like it comes from the Standard Model of physics and not something more exotic.

The Standard Model is a set of equations and particles that underpin our known Universe. It's a recipe book of sorts and works like this: If you collide particle A with particle B you get particle C plus some energy -- we know what will come out of a particle interaction even before the interaction takes place. There's nothing unexpected in this recipe book; so it doesn't work like this: If you collide particle A with particle B you get particle Q and -- what the #$%@?! -- a small elephant playing with a black hole!

The latter scenario would violate our known laws of physics, suggesting something more exotic is going on. In that case, there would be some kind of new physics, something beyond the Standard Model at play -- perhaps an exotic result from the LHC would provide evidence of "supersymmetry." One interpretation of supersymmetry suggests there may be an entire family of Higgs bosons that cannot be explained by the Standard Model. However, supersymmetry has recently been dealt a "hospitalizing" blow.




Popular physics theory running out of hiding places [link to www.bbc.co.uk]

Researchers at the Large Hadron Collider have detected one of the rarest particle decays seen in nature.

The finding deals a significant blow to the theory of physics known as supersymmetry.

Many researchers had hoped the LHC would have confirmed this by now.

Supersymmetry, or Susy, has gained popularity as a way to explain some of the inconsistencies in the traditional theory of subatomic physics known as the Standard Model.

The new observation, reported at the Hadron Collider Physics conference in Kyoto and outlined in an as-yet unpublished paper, is not consistent with many of the most likely models of Susy.

Prof Chris Parkes, who is the spokesperson for the UK participation in the LHCb experiment, told BBC News: "Supersymmetry may not be dead but these latest results have certainly put it into hospital."


Supersymmetry theorises the existence of more massive versions of particles that have already been detected.

If found, they might help explain the phenomenon known as dark matter. Galaxies appear to rotate faster at their edges than the matter we see can account for, and one set of candidates for this missing dark matter is supersymmetric particles.


Dark matter won't be proven, IMO, because it doesn't exist.

Then again, I'm no scientist. Just an ordinary, non-conformist seeker-weird-o.
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
[link to www.newstatesman.com]

It turns out the Higgs doesn’t have any hidden depths. There are no tantalising secrets to tease out. The boson has nothing to say about the universe that physics didn’t already know. Spending time together is turning out to be a chore for physics.
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Maybe they can dress it up and role play, pretend it's a super-string in a French maid outfit...
Tell me what this tastes like...
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
Well....now they know.....but will they accept it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7521533


Sure, but only for the Higgs.


ON TO THE NEXT BIG SCIENTIFIC "DISCOVERY"

5a right to hell
 Quoting: SolitaryWildFlower


Yes, curiosity sends the cat to Hell!
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
Well....now they know.....but will they accept it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7521533


Sure, but only for the Higgs.


ON TO THE NEXT BIG SCIENTIFIC "DISCOVERY"

5a right to hell
 Quoting: SolitaryWildFlower


Yes, curiosity sends the cat to Hell!
 Quoting: Mwalk


Not Schroedinger's Cat!

He/She is in Limbo!

1rof1
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
Electric/Plasma Universe, FTW!

scream
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
spirit is the essence they seek but never shall find.
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
boring meaning: as long as i get my paycheck i don.t give a f'ck how we call stuff, whether existing or not.
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boring meaning: as long as i get my paycheck i don.t give a f'ck how we call stuff, whether existing or not.
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You got it, Swedish Chef!

Check this out;

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
just like dark energy and dark matter. total bs to fill holes in their bad math.

Dark matter anyway is on an effect of matter in our universe from annother dimension,or its matter from annother universe occupining the same spacetime,just that it osscilates at a different frequency then normal matter so appears not to be there but its gravitational force exerts itself into our universe/dimension.
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
that's because it had nothing to do with finding some stupid particle...

Thread: STARGATE 2012...Cern And the Return of the "gods".
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
just like dark energy and dark matter. total bs to fill holes in their bad math.

Dark matter anyway is on an effect of matter in our universe from annother dimension,or its matter from annother universe occupining the same spacetime,just that it osscilates at a different frequency then normal matter so appears not to be there but its gravitational force exerts itself into our universe/dimension.
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Dark Matter is the paradigm of the sciences. A polite apology for the universe's exceeding expectations.
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
[link to news.discovery.com]


This news has been out for a few days, since the 15th.

It's a wonder that it wasn't plastered all over the news and front page on the MSM websites like it was when it was "discovered"

Of course, "boring" is a relative term. The story of the hunt for the Higgs -- the 'exchange particle' that endows matter with mass -- reads like a Dan Brown novel, culminating in the construction of the biggest, boldest and most complex machine mankind has ever conceived: the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). There's more twists, turns and subplots than you can shake a lepton at.

But the famous Higgs boson, that until recently has been purely a theoretical particle only appearing in equations, looks like it comes from the Standard Model of physics and not something more exotic.

The Standard Model is a set of equations and particles that underpin our known Universe. It's a recipe book of sorts and works like this: If you collide particle A with particle B you get particle C plus some energy -- we know what will come out of a particle interaction even before the interaction takes place. There's nothing unexpected in this recipe book; so it doesn't work like this: If you collide particle A with particle B you get particle Q and -- what the #$%@?! -- a small elephant playing with a black hole!

The latter scenario would violate our known laws of physics, suggesting something more exotic is going on. In that case, there would be some kind of new physics, something beyond the Standard Model at play -- perhaps an exotic result from the LHC would provide evidence of "supersymmetry." One interpretation of supersymmetry suggests there may be an entire family of Higgs bosons that cannot be explained by the Standard Model. However, supersymmetry has recently been dealt a "hospitalizing" blow.




Popular physics theory running out of hiding places [link to www.bbc.co.uk]

Researchers at the Large Hadron Collider have detected one of the rarest particle decays seen in nature.

The finding deals a significant blow to the theory of physics known as supersymmetry.

Many researchers had hoped the LHC would have confirmed this by now.

Supersymmetry, or Susy, has gained popularity as a way to explain some of the inconsistencies in the traditional theory of subatomic physics known as the Standard Model.

The new observation, reported at the Hadron Collider Physics conference in Kyoto and outlined in an as-yet unpublished paper, is not consistent with many of the most likely models of Susy.

Prof Chris Parkes, who is the spokesperson for the UK participation in the LHCb experiment, told BBC News: "Supersymmetry may not be dead but these latest results have certainly put it into hospital."


Supersymmetry theorises the existence of more massive versions of particles that have already been detected.

If found, they might help explain the phenomenon known as dark matter. Galaxies appear to rotate faster at their edges than the matter we see can account for, and one set of candidates for this missing dark matter is supersymmetric particles.


Dark matter won't be proven, IMO, because it doesn't exist.

Then again, I'm no scientist. Just an ordinary, non-conformist seeker-weird-o.
 Quoting: SolitaryWildFlower


A way of knowing based upon observation, experimentation and the mortar of theory indeed. Methinks thou thinkest TOO MUCH.
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
Here's "Todays Physics" explained by example



There's a farmer , lets call him "Research"


So Research is out doing his morning chores and he notices that the chickens all come out of the north door of the coop and only enter via the south door.

Research had never seen chickens do that before, so he made a mental note.

The next day it was the other way around they left by the south door and entered through the north


Now Research starts keeping track with a note book starting on the 22th of October

This is what it looks like

__________________________________________________________

October


22. Out North , In South
23. Out south, in north
24. Out N. In S
25. Out S. In N.
26 O.N. I.S.
27 OS. IN.
From this point forward , I'll use a standard abbreviation
"S" for south , "N' for north , and the first letter will represent the" Out door" and the second the "in door" to save space

28 NS
29 SN
30 NS
31 SN
November
I'm writing this before stepping outside to see if it is indeed and "NS" day as I predict

01 SN
Huh?
02 NS
03 SN
04 NS
05 SN
It appears that the chickens aren't merely alternating their routine everyday, they somehow seem to know the date, and are responding to it.

will continue my observation.

------------------------------------------------------------



Well Research continues his "Observations" and the chickens always get it right , "SN" on odd days and "NS" on even

"Leap Year" Doesn't even mess them up.

Well Research decides that some external influence is at work.

So he builds a turntable for the chicken coop and places it inside a barn with no windows.

At night while the chickens sleep , he slowly turns the coop 180 degrees to see if he can trick them into exiting the south door on an even numbered day.

it doesn't work

So the next night he turns the coop 90 degrees , so there are only east and west doors ....no chickens exit the coop.


Well research is stumped , so he calls the mayor , lets call him "Quantum", to see if he can explain it.

So Quantum arrives , listens to what Research has to say , reads his notebooks and after pondering on it for about an hour


"Well what is happening,our chickens only exist when they are outside of the coop ...there is only the 'potential' for a chicken to exist inside the coop.

Now , if the potential for a chicken to exist nears the north door on an even day , that potential becomes a chicken that we can detect , if it nears the southern door it becomes an "Super Symmetry Chicken" a type of chicken we can't detect.

At night , both the "detectable" chickens and the "Super Symmetry"Chickens return to the coop via the opposite door they left in order to conserve energy and mass.


Now this means that somewhere , in an alternate universe , constructed of extra dimensions (an infinite number of dimensions to be precise ) there is a "Super Symmetry" farmer who is feeding and taking care of the other chickens that you can't see

this "Super Symmetry Farmer" is just like you except for one thing

He locks the north door on his coop on even days , and the south on odd days to force his chickens to exit in a SN(even) and NS(odd) pattern which of course forces your chickes to do the exact opposite"



Research looks at the Mayor .....for a long time.


Then he says


"Quantum, that is the biggest load of horseshit I've ever heard."


And the mayor responds.


" Aren't you renting this farm from me?"


And Research , slumps in his chair....."I shouldn't have put it that way then".


Quantum grins and smugly states "glad to hear you agree with my theory".
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
"we made it up after we realized it didn't exists"

"too justify the most expensive waste of time in human history history"
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
Electric/Plasma Universe, FTW!

scream
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Hear, hear! This!
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Electric/Plasma Universe, FTW!

scream
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Hear, hear! This!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26594844


+1
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
Haha the stupid sheeple scientists have long been chasing this idea and now are faced with total let down

ha ha ha ha ha

they deserve it soooooooooooo much

viva the independent mind who will crack the code and btw fuck the suppressors of our science

the best science is done in small garages all around the world not by universities they will only disgrace a genius if some like Bohr, Einstien or Tesla were born today
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
Like I've always said, the purpose of the LHC is to make large amounts of anti-mater--ala Dan Brown.
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
it might be boring but it confirms their theory with data instead of speculation. the End
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
I want my money back!
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
Well....now they know.....but will they accept it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7521533


Sure, but only for the Higgs.


ON TO THE NEXT BIG SCIENTIFIC "DISCOVERY"

5a right to hell
 Quoting: SolitaryWildFlower


Yes, curiosity sends the cat to Hell!
 Quoting: Mwalk


Not Schroedinger's Cat!

He/She is in Limbo!

1rof1
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
Open source the data and let the masses figure out what the small brain scientists couldn't...they are so indoctrinated with falsities they wouldn't know the answer if it slapped them in the face
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
Those LHC particle-brains could be refreshed with a trip to the beach.
Play in the surf and catch some waves.
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
that's because it had nothing to do with finding some stupid particle...

Thread: STARGATE 2012...Cern And the Return of the "gods".
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
You people are very short sighted.

Even if the hypothesis was proven to be false...

in the total scheme of things even THAT discovery is important.
"Everybody lies."
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Re: Rumours of imminent split as physicists declare Higgs particle “boring”
It could have been worse. What if the LHC had created a Black Hole that was always on the verge of going out of control, and the only thing keeping it from going out of control was pumping more research money into the project? You don't want to wake up the evil ogre that lives down at the bottom of Black Holes because then you will have to feed it from time to time to pacify it.