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What Was The First Thought?

 
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What Was The First Thought?
Is "God" the first thought? Was the Big Bang a thought? Is a thought a action or is it soething else?
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy."

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."
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Perhaps the first thought wasn't as much a thought as it was just awareness.

Awareness of being aware.
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Should I take the apple from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
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Perhaps the first thought wasn't as much a thought as it was just awareness.

Awareness of being aware.
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


I think that was the thought of the true source. But beings are able to be aware(Human) yet don't know their source.

Like a ape who gained awareness.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy."

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."
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Should I take the apple from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
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Should I?
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy."

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."
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Where's my keys?
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I AM
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I AM
 Quoting: BeerDenizen


I am what?
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy."

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."
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I AM
 Quoting: BeerDenizen


Yes!
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My first words were...

I have a PENIS!

Last Edited by Sledster on 11/17/2012 09:41 PM
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I'm naked! Seriously As far as human thought goes I think this was the first sign of Self awarness. When we started wearing clothes.

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All is Mind, the Universe is Mental.

- The Kybalion
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Should I take the apple from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25672410



Each of the 5 tree's in the garden of eden are for us.

It is our destiny to partake in their fruit when we are ready.


The Serpent gave us our first taste of an Entheogen.


And Jesus came back to give us the Fruit of the Tree of Life.



We killed him and lost the Grail.
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Eternity felt alone, so it created finiteness.
There will come a time when you believe everything ends.
This will be the beginning
[Louis L'Amour]

~ A r c t u r u s
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I AM
 Quoting: BeerDenizen


I am what?
 Quoting: Motion & Rest


Eternal and infinite consciousness.

Is that fancy and metaphysical enough for you?

Last Edited by Manu-K on 11/17/2012 09:46 PM
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I AM
 Quoting: BeerDenizen


I am what?
 Quoting: Motion & Rest


Eternal and infinite consciousness.

Is that fancy and metaphysical enough for you?
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Not really, that sounds more like after thoughts of the first thought.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy."

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."
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My first thought was, "Why did they push me out of that hole?"
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Should I take the apple from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25672410



Each of the 5 tree's in the garden of eden are for us.

It is our destiny to partake in their fruit when we are ready.


The Serpent gave us our first taste of an Entheogen.


And Jesus came back to give us the Fruit of the Tree of Life.



We killed him and lost the Grail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


What are the other 3 trees?
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy."

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."
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Re: What Was The First Thought?
All is Mind, the Universe is Mental.

- The Kybalion
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


So nothing exists outside of the mind?
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy."

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."
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All is Mind, the Universe is Mental.

- The Kybalion
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So nothing exists outside of the mind?
 Quoting: Motion & Rest




THE ALL must be ALL that REALLY IS. There can be
nothing existing outside of THE ALL, else THE ALL would not be THE ALL.




"The lips of wisdom are closed,
except to the ears of Understanding" - The Kybalion
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THE ALL must be INFINITE, for there is nothing else
to define, confine, bound, limit; or restrict THE ALL.
It must be Infinite in Time, or ETERNAL,--it must have
always continuously existed, for there is nothing else to
have ever created it, and something can never evolve from
nothing, and if it had ever "not been," even for a moment,
it would not "be" now,--it must continuously exist forever,
for there is nothing to destroy it, and it can never
"not-be," even for a moment, because something can never
become nothing. It must be Infinite in Space--it must be
Everywhere, for there is no place outside of THE ALL--it
cannot be otherwise than continuous in Space, without break,
cessation, separation, or interruption, for there is nothing
to break, separate, or interrupt its continuity, and nothing
with which to "fill in the gaps." It must be Infinite in
Power, or Absolute, for there is nothing to limit, restrict,
restrain, confine, disturb or condition it--it is subject to
no other Power, for there is no other Power.


- The Kybalion
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I AM
 Quoting: BeerDenizen


I am what?
 Quoting: Motion & Rest


Eternal and infinite consciousness.

Is that fancy and metaphysical enough for you?
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Not really, that sounds more like after thoughts of the first thought.
 Quoting: Motion & Rest


There was no real first thought, the creator consciousness has always existed in self awareness. What happened was that the creator materialized matter with his mind. Everything is a thought pattern from the mind of the creator, but that doesn't mean the creator didn't think before creating matter. Beyond the universe of matter there are many more universes and everything exists within the eternal mind of the creator, and forever has. So your question is actually moot friend.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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"The Universe is Mental--held in the Mind of THE
ALL."--The Kybalion.




Then is THE ALL mere Energy or Force? Not Energy or Force as the materialists use the terms, for their energy and force are blind, mechanical things, devoid of Life or Mind. Life and Mind can never evolve from blind Energy or Force, for the reason given a moment ago: "Nothing can rise higher than its source--nothing is evolved unless it is involved--nothing manifests in the effect, unless it is in the cause. " And so THE ALL cannot be mere Energy or Force, for, if it were, then there would be no such things as Life and Mind in existence, and we know better than that, for we are Alive and using Mind to consider this very question, and so are those who claim that Energy or Force is Everything.

What is there then higher than Matter or Energy that we know to be existent in the Universe? LIFE AND MIND! Life and Mind in all their varying degrees of unfoldment! "Then," you ask, "do you mean to tell us that THE ALL is LIFE and MIND?" Yes! and No! is our answer. If you mean Life and Mind as we poor petty mortals know them, we say No! THE ALL is not that! "But what kind of Life and Mind do you mean?" you ask.

The answer is "LIVING MIND," as far above that which mortals know by those words, as Life and Mind are higher than mechanical forces, or matter--INFINITE LIVING MIND as compared to finite "Life and Mind." We mean that which the illumined souls mean when they reverently pronounce the word: "SPIRIT!"

"THE ALL" is Infinite Living Mind--the Illumined call it SPIRIT!
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Well how old are you when you have an awareness thought? I don't even remember for myself... Let alone mankind.
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"While All is in THE ALL, it is equally true that THE ALL is in ALL. To him who truly understands this truth hath come great knowledge."--The Kybalion.
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There was no beginning to what really exists. This universe of matter is not the real existence. The real is unchanging and eternal and lies somewhere else, yet at the same time it's everywhere, and we're in it right now.

The All is in all and all is in the All.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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"Everything is dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled."--The Kybalion.
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There was no beginning to what really exists. This universe of matter is not the real existence. The real is unchanging and eternal and lies somewhere else, yet at the same time it's everywhere, and we're in it right now.

The All is in all and all is in the All.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


The "I am" within "The All" created our material reality, yet the material reality is false, but with the all, but the real "Reality" lies somewhere else.

Doesn't that mean then there is a beginning of our material reality, the beginning of duality?
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THE ALL must be INFINITE, for there is nothing else
to define, confine, bound, limit; or restrict THE ALL.
It must be Infinite in Time, or ETERNAL,--it must have
always continuously existed, for there is nothing else to
have ever created it, and something can never evolve from
nothing, and if it had ever "not been," even for a moment,
it would not "be" now,--it must continuously exist forever,
for there is nothing to destroy it, and it can never
"not-be," even for a moment, because something can never
become nothing. It must be Infinite in Space--it must be
Everywhere, for there is no place outside of THE ALL--it
cannot be otherwise than continuous in Space, without break,
cessation, separation, or interruption, for there is nothing
to break, separate, or interrupt its continuity, and nothing
with which to "fill in the gaps." It must be Infinite in
Power, or Absolute, for there is nothing to limit, restrict,
restrain, confine, disturb or condition it--it is subject to
no other Power, for there is no other Power.


- The Kybalion
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


+1

"He is the invisible Spirit, of whom it is not right to think of him as a god, or something similar. For he is more than a god, since there is nothing above him, for no one lords it over him. For he does not exist in something inferior to him, since everything exists in him. For it is he who establishes himself. He is eternal, since he does not need anything. For he is total perfection. He did not lack anything, that he might be completed by it; rather he is always completely perfect in light. He is illimitable, since there is no one prior to him to set limits to him. He is unsearchable, since there exists no one prior to him to examine him. He is immeasurable, since there was no one prior to him to measure him. He is invisible, since no one saw him. He is eternal, since he exists eternally. He is ineffable, since no one was able to comprehend him to speak about him. He is unnameable, since there is no one prior to him to give him a name.

"He is immeasurable light, which is pure, holy (and) immaculate. He is ineffable, being perfect in incorruptibility. (He is) not in perfection, nor in blessedness, nor in divinity, but he is far superior. He is not corporeal nor is he incorporeal. He is neither large nor is he small. There is no way to say, 'What is his quantity?' or, 'What is his quality?', for no one can know him. He is not someone among (other) beings, rather he is far superior. Not that he is (simply) superior, but his essence does not partake in the aeons nor in time. For he who partakes in an aeon was prepared beforehand. Time was not apportioned to him, since he does not receive anything from another, for it would be received on loan. For he who precedes someone does not lack, that he may receive from him. For rather, it is the latter that looks expectantly at him in his light.

"For the perfection is majestic. He is pure, immeasurable mind. He is an aeon-giving aeon. He is life-giving life. He is a blessedness-giving blessed one. He is knowledge-giving knowledge. He is goodness-giving goodness. He is mercy and redemption-giving mercy. He is grace-giving grace, not because he possesses it, but because he gives the immeasurable, incomprehensible light.
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first and last thought is 'breathe'.
"The earth is mother of us all, for she is just; but you, because you are unjust have pretended that she is your mother alone; and if you do not stop, I will not permit you to remain upon her."

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