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Is it worth going to Law School?

 
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
for the last decade in america, the number of law undergraduates at any one time has been equal to , then greater than the amount of practicing lawyers.
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
Anyone have eperience starting their own practice?
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my first atty here in pa was a n00b just out of dickens LS. he worked out of his brief case. i gave him a his 1st case of holy mother of god fraud involving politicians and he made a shitload off it.
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11/17/2012 08:09 PM
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
It is the new priesthood.

If you wish to start your own practice and make income immediately:

1. Either run a bail bondsman business or partner with someone who does.

2. Select which cases will be accepted or sent to you. This will be your specialty.

3. Make sure that your specialty is a common one before you branch out. I would recommend being a Drunk Driving attorney.

4. If you specialize in DUI (quickest bang for the buck), I would highly recommend spending Saturday and Sunday mornings at a county intake facility in order to bail out individuals and have them sign for representation for a minimum retainer fee. Make sure it is worth your while.

5. Never take your cases to actual court unless the individual has deep pockets.

6. Always conduct asset, income, and individual background checks on clients. Make sure assets and income percentages are always signed over to you well BEFORE a case runs over your minimum amount.

7. Consider a flat fee that covers representation up to, but not including, going to court.

8. Advertise.

9. Retire.
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11/17/2012 08:13 PM
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
It is the new priesthood.

If you wish to start your own practice and make income immediately:

1. Either run a bail bondsman business or partner with someone who does.

2. Select which cases will be accepted or sent to you. This will be your specialty.

3. Make sure that your specialty is a common one before you branch out. I would recommend being a Drunk Driving attorney.

4. If you specialize in DUI (quickest bang for the buck), I would highly recommend spending Saturday and Sunday mornings at a county intake facility in order to bail out individuals and have them sign for representation for a minimum retainer fee. Make sure it is worth your while.

5. Never take your cases to actual court unless the individual has deep pockets.

6. Always conduct asset, income, and individual background checks on clients. Make sure assets and income percentages are always signed over to you well BEFORE a case runs over your minimum amount.

7. Consider a flat fee that covers representation up to, but not including, going to court.

8. Advertise.

9. Retire.
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Don't give a damn about justice or right and wrong.
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
Just sell your soul to Satan for the wealth and things you covet, it will be better to skip the middle man of law school and take less time.
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
It is the new priesthood.

If you wish to start your own practice and make income immediately:

1. Either run a bail bondsman business or partner with someone who does.

2. Select which cases will be accepted or sent to you. This will be your specialty.

3. Make sure that your specialty is a common one before you branch out. I would recommend being a Drunk Driving attorney.

4. If you specialize in DUI (quickest bang for the buck), I would highly recommend spending Saturday and Sunday mornings at a county intake facility in order to bail out individuals and have them sign for representation for a minimum retainer fee. Make sure it is worth your while.

5. Never take your cases to actual court unless the individual has deep pockets.

6. Always conduct asset, income, and individual background checks on clients. Make sure assets and income percentages are always signed over to you well BEFORE a case runs over your minimum amount.

7. Consider a flat fee that covers representation up to, but not including, going to court.

8. Advertise.

9. Retire.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326993


Don't give a damn about justice or right and wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27951607


Correct.

Specifically, becoming a lawyer has little to do with justice, right, or wrong. It is the law, not morality.

Perhaps one could become a monk...
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11/17/2012 08:17 PM
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
sockpuppet

You guys are so pessimistic
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11/17/2012 08:19 PM
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sockpuppet

You guys are so pessimistic
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NO.

This is being realistic. If you are a freshly minted lawyer who wishes to practice on their own, you MUST establish an income stream immediately.
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11/17/2012 08:21 PM
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
If you enjoy 80-hour work weeks and taking advantage of others all for your "client," spending needless hours in boring depositions so you can rack up billable hours for your firm, well, I think you just might like it.
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11/17/2012 11:48 PM
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
Anyone have eperience starting their own practice?
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yes
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11/17/2012 11:51 PM
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
it is incredibly complicated & almost impossible without a lot of help
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11/18/2012 12:45 AM
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
In this economy, it's only worth if you get into a top 14 law school (pref. a top 6) or you have connections so you can get a job lined up after law school. The debt just isn't worth it for the job prospects you have. The key is to get a 170+ LSAT and to have a high way decent undergrad GPA. If you have those two things, you have at least a 50% of getting into the top 14.
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11/18/2012 12:54 AM
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
Look at it from a practical standpoint. By the time you get thru three years of law school it's going to cost you between 75 and 100k plus living costs.If you're 40 and unemployed it might well make sense. At 30 it definitely makes sense. At 55 and up, you must weigh the remaining years you can work, the years you want to work, vs the return on the investment getting your JD or whatever. Even working for City or State prosecuting attorney's office, your starting salary will be about $75k plus benefits per year. Large prestigious firms are not going to hire anyone over 35 unless they're already a "superstar" at another firm. Then they'll happily steal you away if they can. If you're an older legal grad, you're not going to get the offers to go into a big NYC firm or Wall Street or Century City firms. But you could still make a decent living doing insurance work or other types of contingent fee cases mixed in with some paying private clients, etc. One wealthy aunt/uncle or mom and dad who change their estate planning and wills a lot can generate $30k each per year in total billed hours of legal fees. They're paying it to someone. Why not to you?
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
It is the new priesthood.

If you wish to start your own practice and make income immediately:

1. Either run a bail bondsman business or partner with someone who does.

2. Select which cases will be accepted or sent to you. This will be your specialty.

3. Make sure that your specialty is a common one before you branch out. I would recommend being a Drunk Driving attorney.

4. If you specialize in DUI (quickest bang for the buck), I would highly recommend spending Saturday and Sunday mornings at a county intake facility in order to bail out individuals and have them sign for representation for a minimum retainer fee. Make sure it is worth your while.

5. Never take your cases to actual court unless the individual has deep pockets.

6. Always conduct asset, income, and individual background checks on clients. Make sure assets and income percentages are always signed over to you well BEFORE a case runs over your minimum amount.

7. Consider a flat fee that covers representation up to, but not including, going to court.

8. Advertise.

9. Retire.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326993


Don't give a damn about justice or right and wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27951607


Correct.

Specifically, becoming a lawyer has little to do with justice, right, or wrong. It is the law, not morality.

Perhaps one could become a monk...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326993

It's why I didn't go to law school and why I am a monk...
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You couldn't pay me to attend law school...

If you're not in love with the idea and know you will incur large amounts of debt I think your answer is clear. : )

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11/22/2012 10:02 AM
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Bumping
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
Check out jdundground.com before thinking about going. There's way too many law schools and not enough jobs. You need connections and graduate from a top tier law school, otherwise you can go solo but you'll be broke and maybe in 150k debt unless you have some income stream on the side.
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11/22/2012 10:20 AM
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Check out jdundground.com before thinking about going. There's way too many law schools and not enough jobs. You need connections and graduate from a top tier law school, otherwise you can go solo but you'll be broke and maybe in 150k debt unless you have some income stream on the side.
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I mean jdunderground.com
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11/22/2012 10:21 AM
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Law schools fudge their data and there's plenty of grads w/o jobs.

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11/22/2012 10:22 AM
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liciense to steal
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ohyeah

lawyers - up there with bankers
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11/22/2012 10:22 AM
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
You mean following god ?
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You mean following god ?
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
I have interest in law but not a burning desire or anything. I also don't know what else to do, and I don't want to be broke. What's your opinion GLP?
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Law school lets see where it leads? Some of the best politicians are lawyers. Why? Cause they lie well and tell great stories and can stretch the truth well (lying/samething).

Questions to ask yourself.

Can you lie regularly without remorse?

Can you stretch the truth at all? Even just a little tiny bit to help your clients (if they are guilty or innocent its still lying)

Can you take threats against you and your family if you don't do what you are told when you go against the powers that be, if you become the only lawyer to ever live who did not lie or stretch the truth and tell great stories.

Can you wrap a piece of crap Christmas present so well that no matter what it is it comes out looking like a golden parachute!!

If the answer to any of these questions is NO!! Then you have your answer!

Lawyers make most of their money off of other peoples misery!
People who make their money off of others misery are never content! Good luck in your choice! Hope I helped some! Cold hard, dirty facts.

Last Edited by Wolverine on 11/22/2012 10:29 AM
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
I looked into becoming a lawyer and decided it wasn't worth it based on what is important to me. It's years of going into major debt and having no life, and then if you're lucky, you make a higher middle class income. Very, very few make the huge bucks. All depends on what you consider important in life.
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
No point. By the time you qualify there will be only one law:

OBEY
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The purpose of law school is to teach oppressively minded people to word their laws in the most encompassing minded people. A society that requires obedience will always need lawyers to craft their restrictions and to invent ways to include peoples actions in existing restrictions, if they may not actually have been comitting an offense.
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
There is a large over supply of attorneys. Just look in your local phone book. Some lawyers do quite well, but a majority only make a moderate living. Many others never use their law degrees.

Businesses like people with law degrees, even for unrelated jobs. They need people to interpret all the mumbo jumbo legalese language that they have to deal with.

I've flirted with the idea of law school myself, but only to one end. If I did it I'd spend the rest of my life filing law suits against the federal government.
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It changes a person imo.... maybe you will be the exception.
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
My god oyu talk rubbish people.

Law is law, there is no lies about it. It is a simple situation,

Criminal - are you innocent or guilty ?

Civil - do you owe or do they owe.

The lies come from business deals in civil law NOT the lawyers. The lawyers just try to prove that it was legal.

Regards
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Re: Is it worth going to Law School?
In this economy, it's only worth if you get into a top 14 law school (pref. a top 6) or you have connections so you can get a job lined up after law school. The debt just isn't worth it for the job prospects you have. The key is to get a 170+ LSAT and to have a high way decent undergrad GPA. If you have those two things, you have at least a 50% of getting into the top 14.
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I know someone who decide to go to law school a couple of years ago. They got in a top 10 school and are in the top 10 percent of their class. They did summer internships for pay and already have several job offers lined up after they graduate.
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My god oyu talk rubbish people.

Law is law, there is no lies about it. It is a simple situation,

Criminal - are you innocent or guilty ?

Civil - do you owe or do they owe.

The lies come from business deals in civil law NOT the lawyers. The lawyers just try to prove that it was legal.

Regards
Jules
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I don't know about the UK but the laws in the US are so complicated, bizarre and numerous that it's been said that everyone commits several felonies every day, even cops, lawyers, judges etc.

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