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Phennommennonn Forum Administrator 11/17/2012 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | my first atty here in pa was a n00b just out of dickens LS. he worked out of his brief case. i gave him a his 1st case of holy mother of god fraud involving politicians and he made a shitload off it. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1326993 United States 11/17/2012 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is the new priesthood. If you wish to start your own practice and make income immediately: 1. Either run a bail bondsman business or partner with someone who does. 2. Select which cases will be accepted or sent to you. This will be your specialty. 3. Make sure that your specialty is a common one before you branch out. I would recommend being a Drunk Driving attorney. 4. If you specialize in DUI (quickest bang for the buck), I would highly recommend spending Saturday and Sunday mornings at a county intake facility in order to bail out individuals and have them sign for representation for a minimum retainer fee. Make sure it is worth your while. 5. Never take your cases to actual court unless the individual has deep pockets. 6. Always conduct asset, income, and individual background checks on clients. Make sure assets and income percentages are always signed over to you well BEFORE a case runs over your minimum amount. 7. Consider a flat fee that covers representation up to, but not including, going to court. 8. Advertise. 9. Retire. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27951607 United States 11/17/2012 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is the new priesthood. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326993 If you wish to start your own practice and make income immediately: 1. Either run a bail bondsman business or partner with someone who does. 2. Select which cases will be accepted or sent to you. This will be your specialty. 3. Make sure that your specialty is a common one before you branch out. I would recommend being a Drunk Driving attorney. 4. If you specialize in DUI (quickest bang for the buck), I would highly recommend spending Saturday and Sunday mornings at a county intake facility in order to bail out individuals and have them sign for representation for a minimum retainer fee. Make sure it is worth your while. 5. Never take your cases to actual court unless the individual has deep pockets. 6. Always conduct asset, income, and individual background checks on clients. Make sure assets and income percentages are always signed over to you well BEFORE a case runs over your minimum amount. 7. Consider a flat fee that covers representation up to, but not including, going to court. 8. Advertise. 9. Retire. Don't give a damn about justice or right and wrong. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1326993 United States 11/17/2012 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is the new priesthood. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326993 If you wish to start your own practice and make income immediately: 1. Either run a bail bondsman business or partner with someone who does. 2. Select which cases will be accepted or sent to you. This will be your specialty. 3. Make sure that your specialty is a common one before you branch out. I would recommend being a Drunk Driving attorney. 4. If you specialize in DUI (quickest bang for the buck), I would highly recommend spending Saturday and Sunday mornings at a county intake facility in order to bail out individuals and have them sign for representation for a minimum retainer fee. Make sure it is worth your while. 5. Never take your cases to actual court unless the individual has deep pockets. 6. Always conduct asset, income, and individual background checks on clients. Make sure assets and income percentages are always signed over to you well BEFORE a case runs over your minimum amount. 7. Consider a flat fee that covers representation up to, but not including, going to court. 8. Advertise. 9. Retire. Don't give a damn about justice or right and wrong. Correct. Specifically, becoming a lawyer has little to do with justice, right, or wrong. It is the law, not morality. Perhaps one could become a monk... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27955490 United States 11/18/2012 12:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In this economy, it's only worth if you get into a top 14 law school (pref. a top 6) or you have connections so you can get a job lined up after law school. The debt just isn't worth it for the job prospects you have. The key is to get a 170+ LSAT and to have a high way decent undergrad GPA. If you have those two things, you have at least a 50% of getting into the top 14. |
MarkinAZ User ID: 20006444 United States 11/18/2012 12:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look at it from a practical standpoint. By the time you get thru three years of law school it's going to cost you between 75 and 100k plus living costs.If you're 40 and unemployed it might well make sense. At 30 it definitely makes sense. At 55 and up, you must weigh the remaining years you can work, the years you want to work, vs the return on the investment getting your JD or whatever. Even working for City or State prosecuting attorney's office, your starting salary will be about $75k plus benefits per year. Large prestigious firms are not going to hire anyone over 35 unless they're already a "superstar" at another firm. Then they'll happily steal you away if they can. If you're an older legal grad, you're not going to get the offers to go into a big NYC firm or Wall Street or Century City firms. But you could still make a decent living doing insurance work or other types of contingent fee cases mixed in with some paying private clients, etc. One wealthy aunt/uncle or mom and dad who change their estate planning and wills a lot can generate $30k each per year in total billed hours of legal fees. They're paying it to someone. Why not to you? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27975835 United States 11/18/2012 12:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is the new priesthood. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326993 If you wish to start your own practice and make income immediately: 1. Either run a bail bondsman business or partner with someone who does. 2. Select which cases will be accepted or sent to you. This will be your specialty. 3. Make sure that your specialty is a common one before you branch out. I would recommend being a Drunk Driving attorney. 4. If you specialize in DUI (quickest bang for the buck), I would highly recommend spending Saturday and Sunday mornings at a county intake facility in order to bail out individuals and have them sign for representation for a minimum retainer fee. Make sure it is worth your while. 5. Never take your cases to actual court unless the individual has deep pockets. 6. Always conduct asset, income, and individual background checks on clients. Make sure assets and income percentages are always signed over to you well BEFORE a case runs over your minimum amount. 7. Consider a flat fee that covers representation up to, but not including, going to court. 8. Advertise. 9. Retire. Don't give a damn about justice or right and wrong. Correct. Specifically, becoming a lawyer has little to do with justice, right, or wrong. It is the law, not morality. Perhaps one could become a monk... It's why I didn't go to law school and why I am a monk... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28130081 United States 11/22/2012 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Check out jdundground.com before thinking about going. There's way too many law schools and not enough jobs. You need connections and graduate from a top tier law school, otherwise you can go solo but you'll be broke and maybe in 150k debt unless you have some income stream on the side. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28130081 United States 11/22/2012 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Check out jdundground.com before thinking about going. There's way too many law schools and not enough jobs. You need connections and graduate from a top tier law school, otherwise you can go solo but you'll be broke and maybe in 150k debt unless you have some income stream on the side. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28130081 I mean jdunderground.com |
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Wolverine User ID: 16344097 United States 11/22/2012 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have interest in law but not a burning desire or anything. I also don't know what else to do, and I don't want to be broke. What's your opinion GLP? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27437378 Law school lets see where it leads? Some of the best politicians are lawyers. Why? Cause they lie well and tell great stories and can stretch the truth well (lying/samething). Questions to ask yourself. Can you lie regularly without remorse? Can you stretch the truth at all? Even just a little tiny bit to help your clients (if they are guilty or innocent its still lying) Can you take threats against you and your family if you don't do what you are told when you go against the powers that be, if you become the only lawyer to ever live who did not lie or stretch the truth and tell great stories. Can you wrap a piece of crap Christmas present so well that no matter what it is it comes out looking like a golden parachute!! If the answer to any of these questions is NO!! Then you have your answer! Lawyers make most of their money off of other peoples misery! People who make their money off of others misery are never content! Good luck in your choice! Hope I helped some! Cold hard, dirty facts. Last Edited by Wolverine on 11/22/2012 10:29 AM “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” Marcus Tullius Cicero "You must submit to supreme suffering in order to discover the completion of joy." - John "Calvin" Rambo |
Gratia Plena User ID: 1220977 United States 11/22/2012 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I looked into becoming a lawyer and decided it wasn't worth it based on what is important to me. It's years of going into major debt and having no life, and then if you're lucky, you make a higher middle class income. Very, very few make the huge bucks. All depends on what you consider important in life. |
Prostetnik User ID: 20302396 Canada 11/22/2012 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No point. By the time you qualify there will be only one law: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26402302 OBEY The purpose of law school is to teach oppressively minded people to word their laws in the most encompassing minded people. A society that requires obedience will always need lawyers to craft their restrictions and to invent ways to include peoples actions in existing restrictions, if they may not actually have been comitting an offense. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27874496 United States 11/22/2012 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Businesses like people with law degrees, even for unrelated jobs. They need people to interpret all the mumbo jumbo legalese language that they have to deal with. I've flirted with the idea of law school myself, but only to one end. If I did it I'd spend the rest of my life filing law suits against the federal government. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26624507 United Kingdom 11/22/2012 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My god oyu talk rubbish people. Law is law, there is no lies about it. It is a simple situation, Criminal - are you innocent or guilty ? Civil - do you owe or do they owe. The lies come from business deals in civil law NOT the lawyers. The lawyers just try to prove that it was legal. Regards Jules |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22978341 United States 11/22/2012 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In this economy, it's only worth if you get into a top 14 law school (pref. a top 6) or you have connections so you can get a job lined up after law school. The debt just isn't worth it for the job prospects you have. The key is to get a 170+ LSAT and to have a high way decent undergrad GPA. If you have those two things, you have at least a 50% of getting into the top 14. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27955490 I know someone who decide to go to law school a couple of years ago. They got in a top 10 school and are in the top 10 percent of their class. They did summer internships for pay and already have several job offers lined up after they graduate. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22978341 United States 11/22/2012 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My god oyu talk rubbish people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26624507 Law is law, there is no lies about it. It is a simple situation, Criminal - are you innocent or guilty ? Civil - do you owe or do they owe. The lies come from business deals in civil law NOT the lawyers. The lawyers just try to prove that it was legal. Regards Jules I don't know about the UK but the laws in the US are so complicated, bizarre and numerous that it's been said that everyone commits several felonies every day, even cops, lawyers, judges etc. |