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Maybe we are watching two different videos. The man fleeing had no time to pick anything up, etc.

Manslaughter at best.

I understand, the concept, of fight for your life, and making sure you come home, etc., but the use of force the female officer used was NOT justified.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25658088


No, (Respectfully...) I watched the same video as you.

Do you KNOW he did not retrieve a weapon of some kind? I certainly don't.

In reality, it doesn't matter. The truth of this situation can be seen in the first few minutes of the video.

The "COVER" officer that the dash-cam is recorded from tries to control the suspect, however, the suspect escapse and throws a few blows at him. Even HE is outmatched... Through lack of training, fitness levels, or even his mindset. HE IS OUTMATCHED.

Now... The "Fat ASSED" Female that gets the shot off is probably thinking that the Cover Officer is going to save her in some way. But that doesn't happen. So, When the suspect escapes, (Whether or not he grabs an offensive weapon) She is faced with the reality that this guy can do her (or her partner) harm!
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


The thought crossed my mind, in regards to the possibility of the perp retrieving a weapon from his person, but I can't see that happening in the time frame, from the time he gets out of camera range and the shot is fired.

Regardless, my friend stay safe. I know you walk a fine line, and most people do NOT understand.
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THANK YOU... I realize that there are some STUPID FUCKS out there that do some dumb things,for various reasons. and make ALL Cops look bad. But what MOST people don't realize is that the rest of us make decisions in fractions of a second which are examined, cross checked and questioned in the weeks that follow.

It comes down to what the officer was thinking at the time when determining the outcome of these cases.

I appreciate your insight into the matter. I know it doesn't seem right for this guy to have been shot... Perhaps if other officers were invovled, the outcome would have been different. But one has to look at the totality of the circumstances.
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


Well, us normal people out here are glad people like you are doing the job you do.

Don't let the folks that are trying to escape the law influence how you feel about the rest of us.

You do a valuable service and are needed.
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Dash Cam footage of a Women Police Officer shooting a man trying to escape. By no means do I give credit to the man, for trying to escape. But was this shot really necessary? You
decide..
 Quoting: xBehindthetruthx


He DID attack the officers before fleeing.

A little off topic here...what ever happened to the physical fitness requirement for cops? JEEEEZUS! Seems to me in the old days, cops would've chased the guy down, tackled him, and subdued him. Now they're so fat, they just shoot and kill the guy. It seems that others pay the price (with their lives) for the lack of physical fitness in law enforcement these days. Same thing with tasers. It used to be cops would get down and dirty and physical. Now, they can't have their uniforms wrinkled, so they shoot first (either with a taser or gun) and ask questions later. Not a good trend.
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Guy is running away.

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The problem with the guy running away is it can lead to carjackings or this sort of thing:



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And other people get hurt:

"-- A police chase came to a deadly end in Lower Manhattan late Tuesday night.


A suspect attempting to flee from police was struck by at least one car while crossing the FDR Drive at East 6th Street just after 11:30 p.m.
Police were chasing the 22-year-old suspect when he ran across the highway. He dashed onto the road and was struck by a livery cab"


While shooting him to keep him from getting run over seems counter productive, it helps protect those driving.

The therapeutic hold position triggers panic in some inebriated perps due to hypoxia, which appears to be what happened there. Panic, irrational response, boom. I still hate Freud.

Via Freud has anyone here pointed out already how this shooting was directly caused by women's liberation? The male officer naturally feels the need to be dominate, aggressive and protective before the female, squishes the guy and starts the whole thing. A couple of guys working together would not have had any biological urge to escalate things. Unfortunately, the aggressive cop is then emasculated when the females uses her phallic weapon to kill his prey.

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Let us NOT forget, there will more than likely be a civil case.

I do NOT think she will far well.

She will NOT get charged with murder, but manslaughter for sure. What degree, that will all depend.
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Dash Cam footage of a Women Police Officer shooting a man trying to escape. By no means do I give credit to the man, for trying to escape. But was this shot really necessary? You
decide..
 Quoting: xBehindthetruthx


A cop-hitting dumbfuck got what he asked for, what not to like? He ended his own stupidity

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It comes down to what the officer was thinking at the time when determining the outcome of these cases....
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


I'm not trying to argue that the individual was innocent in any way. This is one where I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the cops. But this part of your statement troubles me greatly.
Wouldn't it be more correct to say, "what the officer claimed they were thinking or feeling at the time". I mean, the "coming right for us" mentality is easy to claim after the fact, especially in this case where the individual was off screen. It could have been equally likely in this case, all possible results considered that the individual could have a) picked up a rock, stick or other more harmful weapon and was advancing, b) continued to run off, not changing direction and just continue running, c) tried jumping into the cop car to foment mass mayhem, d) stopped and turned around with their hands up, or any other possible action. "D" might be not as likely, depending on the circumstances, but if the perp was 21, and just wanted for disorderly conduct, as another poster mentioned, it is feasible that the situation just got out of hand too quickly.
My main gripe is that all we are going off of in this instance is that the officer is "claiming" that she felt threatened. There is no video to prove that this statement is true. This seems to be a frequent thing in these shootings, where there is less than 100% evidence.
Again, the officer probably was in the right, but is there any true accountability for veracity in most of these cases?
 Quoting: Saucy Jack



I can GUARANTEE YOU.... THAT Officer had NO idea what was in-frame, out of frame or even that her "Fat Ass" was on camera.

Have you been in that situation???? I mean really, BEEN In that situation where you have to make a decision that affects the LIVES of others (Friends, co-workers, or even strangers)


Well. I have. You have about one half to three quarters of a second to make a decision. OH... And Lucky YOU, It's on camera! other people who weren't there have MONTHS to "figure out" what would have been appropriate.

It sucks. Because all you know is, you were getting your ass kicked, then, "one of your friendlies showed up and THEY were getting their ass kicked and OH MY GOD... IS THIS IT? Fuck!.... Take him out.

I'm just asking.

Have you ever been there?
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It comes down to what the officer was thinking at the time when determining the outcome of these cases....
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


I'm not trying to argue that the individual was innocent in any way. This is one where I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the cops. But this part of your statement troubles me greatly.
Wouldn't it be more correct to say, "what the officer claimed they were thinking or feeling at the time". I mean, the "coming right for us" mentality is easy to claim after the fact, especially in this case where the individual was off screen. It could have been equally likely in this case, all possible results considered that the individual could have a) picked up a rock, stick or other more harmful weapon and was advancing, b) continued to run off, not changing direction and just continue running, c) tried jumping into the cop car to foment mass mayhem, d) stopped and turned around with their hands up, or any other possible action. "D" might be not as likely, depending on the circumstances, but if the perp was 21, and just wanted for disorderly conduct, as another poster mentioned, it is feasible that the situation just got out of hand too quickly.
My main gripe is that all we are going off of in this instance is that the officer is "claiming" that she felt threatened. There is no video to prove that this statement is true. This seems to be a frequent thing in these shootings, where there is less than 100% evidence.
Again, the officer probably was in the right, but is there any true accountability for veracity in most of these cases?
 Quoting: Saucy Jack



I can GUARANTEE YOU.... THAT Officer had NO idea what was in-frame, out of frame or even that her "Fat Ass" was on camera.

Have you been in that situation???? I mean really, BEEN In that situation where you have to make a decision that affects the LIVES of others (Friends, co-workers, or even strangers)


Well. I have. You have about one half to three quarters of a second to make a decision. OH... And Lucky YOU, It's on camera! other people who weren't there have MONTHS to "figure out" what would have been appropriate.

It sucks. Because all you know is, you were getting your ass kicked, then, "one of your friendlies showed up and THEY were getting their ass kicked and OH MY GOD... IS THIS IT? Fuck!.... Take him out.

I'm just asking.

Have you ever been there?
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


You mean--In a fight with an unarmed guy smaller than you who got in a punch and is backing away?? Sure, hasn't nearly everyone?

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It comes down to what the officer was thinking at the time when determining the outcome of these cases....
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


I'm not trying to argue that the individual was innocent in any way. This is one where I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the cops. But this part of your statement troubles me greatly.
Wouldn't it be more correct to say, "what the officer claimed they were thinking or feeling at the time". I mean, the "coming right for us" mentality is easy to claim after the fact, especially in this case where the individual was off screen. It could have been equally likely in this case, all possible results considered that the individual could have a) picked up a rock, stick or other more harmful weapon and was advancing, b) continued to run off, not changing direction and just continue running, c) tried jumping into the cop car to foment mass mayhem, d) stopped and turned around with their hands up, or any other possible action. "D" might be not as likely, depending on the circumstances, but if the perp was 21, and just wanted for disorderly conduct, as another poster mentioned, it is feasible that the situation just got out of hand too quickly.
My main gripe is that all we are going off of in this instance is that the officer is "claiming" that she felt threatened. There is no video to prove that this statement is true. This seems to be a frequent thing in these shootings, where there is less than 100% evidence.
Again, the officer probably was in the right, but is there any true accountability for veracity in most of these cases?
 Quoting: Saucy Jack



I can GUARANTEE YOU.... THAT Officer had NO idea what was in-frame, out of frame or even that her "Fat Ass" was on camera.

Have you been in that situation???? I mean really, BEEN In that situation where you have to make a decision that affects the LIVES of others (Friends, co-workers, or even strangers)


Well. I have. You have about one half to three quarters of a second to make a decision. OH... And Lucky YOU, It's on camera! other people who weren't there have MONTHS to "figure out" what would have been appropriate.

It sucks. Because all you know is, you were getting your ass kicked, then, "one of your friendlies showed up and THEY were getting their ass kicked and OH MY GOD... IS THIS IT? Fuck!.... Take him out.

I'm just asking.

Have you ever been there?
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


You mean--In a fight with an unarmed guy smaller than you who got in a punch and is backing away?? Sure, hasn't nearly everyone?
 Quoting: MuzzleBreak


Yeah... You've got it!

A little wirey fucker that you thought FOR SURE you could handle, (Because that's YOUR JOB... Nothing personal. No inner drive other than it is YOUR DUTY to take action) but he starts kicking you ASS... And, on top of it, you have a GUN on your hip, which, if he gets a hold of could end your life

That's what happened to me... A little wirey AIDS-Ridden Hep-C positive fucker that I thought FOR SURE I can take this guy into custody for breaking windows and kicking the ever-living shit out of his lover (who I don't give a flying FUCK about)

But... When he BIT ME... All I could think about was executing him.

I didn't. And that is what separates me from "other" cops. The cops you guys whine about. I simply beat him into submission. There were plenty of witnesses, but no cameras for YOUR viewing pleasure.

It just so happened, in my case, that my training and experience helped me through.

We ALL want to go home at the end of our shift. To some that means putting a cover pager on the TPS reports. To others, that means making split second decisions which affect the lives of others.

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That's what happened to me... A little wirey AIDS-Ridden Hep-C positive fucker that I thought FOR SURE I can take this guy into custody for breaking windows and kicking the ever-living shit out of his lover (who I don't give a flying FUCK about)

But... When he BIT ME... All I could think about was executing him.

 Quoting: Travis Bickle


You should try that before you could legally obtain their test results. I went through a year of HIV testing once. Thank God they let you know what you are dealing with now, and have effective prophalaxis. I would've gone and gotten my shots and beat him later...
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That's what happened to me... A little wirey AIDS-Ridden Hep-C positive fucker that I thought FOR SURE I can take this guy into custody for breaking windows and kicking the ever-living shit out of his lover (who I don't give a flying FUCK about)

But... When he BIT ME... All I could think about was executing him.

 Quoting: Travis Bickle


You should try that before you could legally obtain their test results. I went through a year of HIV testing once. Thank God they let you know what you are dealing with now, and have effective prophalaxis. I would've gone and gotten my shots and beat him later...
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


It was years ago... Its all good now. Free and clear!

But at that moment, I thought it was the beginning of the end for me.

Perhaps this officer thought it was going to be the end for HER.

Last Edited by Travis Bickle on 11/20/2012 03:06 AM
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It comes down to what the officer was thinking at the time when determining the outcome of these cases....
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


I'm not trying to argue that the individual was innocent in any way. This is one where I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the cops. But this part of your statement troubles me greatly.
Wouldn't it be more correct to say, "what the officer claimed they were thinking or feeling at the time". I mean, the "coming right for us" mentality is easy to claim after the fact, especially in this case where the individual was off screen. It could have been equally likely in this case, all possible results considered that the individual could have a) picked up a rock, stick or other more harmful weapon and was advancing, b) continued to run off, not changing direction and just continue running, c) tried jumping into the cop car to foment mass mayhem, d) stopped and turned around with their hands up, or any other possible action. "D" might be not as likely, depending on the circumstances, but if the perp was 21, and just wanted for disorderly conduct, as another poster mentioned, it is feasible that the situation just got out of hand too quickly.
My main gripe is that all we are going off of in this instance is that the officer is "claiming" that she felt threatened. There is no video to prove that this statement is true. This seems to be a frequent thing in these shootings, where there is less than 100% evidence.
Again, the officer probably was in the right, but is there any true accountability for veracity in most of these cases?
 Quoting: Saucy Jack



I can GUARANTEE YOU.... THAT Officer had NO idea what was in-frame, out of frame or even that her "Fat Ass" was on camera.

Have you been in that situation???? I mean really, BEEN In that situation where you have to make a decision that affects the LIVES of others (Friends, co-workers, or even strangers)


Well. I have. You have about one half to three quarters of a second to make a decision. OH... And Lucky YOU, It's on camera! other people who weren't there have MONTHS to "figure out" what would have been appropriate.

It sucks. Because all you know is, you were getting your ass kicked, then, "one of your friendlies showed up and THEY were getting their ass kicked and OH MY GOD... IS THIS IT? Fuck!.... Take him out.

I'm just asking.

Have you ever been there?
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


Did you happen to see where I stated in the first part, that I was willing to give the benefit of doubt to the officer? Did I EVER refer to the firing officer as a "fat-ass"? No, I believe that the only comment that I made was in regards to the validity of after the fact statements of feeling threatened. Whether or not a dash cam's view was in field or not, is largely irrelevant, as footage can easily go "missing", or not be released.

And to answer your question, I've been in some bad situations. I was in situations where I had to work to keep more than just myself or my family safe. I'm not really inclined to go one way or another on whether this officer in question was prepared to deal with this specific situation, but as I said, benefit of the doubt. I frequently view survival as the most vital of instincts, which is why they are getting that benefit of doubt in my eyes.

Just as further clarification for my feelings on police:
I've also been jumped by two POS police thugs for the "crime" of being out after two AM in a city that didn't have a curfew. I was slammed into a concrete riser because I didnt recognize that they were officers. All I could see were two burly men following me. They tried to accuse me of stealing a 32 inch TV over a dozen blocks away. When I proofed that I couldn't have, they FORCED me to use take a cab immediately back to my base, rather than do what I was planning on doing and just walk home.

I have not any "good" cops face to face, but I do hold out hope to meet one eventually.
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The perp was out of the view of the camera when he was shot. How do you know he wasn't on his way back into the fight, or picked up a rock?

You don't know. Now STFU!
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You're an idiot fascist. He was unarmed. The two pigs outweighed him by 5x to 6x.
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Fascist? You obviously don't read my posts often...nor do you understand the meaning of fascist.
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Fascist means conservative these days. They are hoping it will stick.
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Exactly...it's all partisan linguistic manipulation. I'll continue to use the real words as the status quo attempts to change the definitions...Fuck'em.
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You're an idiot fascist. He was unarmed. The two pigs outweighed him by 5x to 6x.
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Fascist? You obviously don't read my posts often...nor do you understand the meaning of fascist.
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Fascist means conservative these days. They are hoping it will stick.
 Quoting: Borian


Exactly...it's all partisan linguistic manipulation. I'll continue to use the real words as the status quo attempts to change the definitions...Fuck'em.
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Do agree with you there. Modify the language, and start them young. It's almost like watching a game from the outside. No one seems to see how easy it is.

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