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Police Officer Shoots Escaping Man: Raw Dash Cam (Unnecessary!!) VIDEO | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 14443159  United States11/18/2012 11:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.youtube.com] Dash Cam footage of a Women Police Officer shooting a man trying to escape. By no means do I give credit to the man, for trying to escape. But was this shot really necessary? You decide.. A cop-hitting dumbfuck got what he asked for, what not to like? He ended his own stupidity  |
| Travis Bickle Vigilantes need love too....  User ID: 26788702 United States11/19/2012 10:07 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Travis Bickle It comes down to what the officer was thinking at the time when determining the outcome of these cases.... I'm not trying to argue that the individual was innocent in any way. This is one where I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the cops. But this part of your statement troubles me greatly. Wouldn't it be more correct to say, "what the officer claimed they were thinking or feeling at the time". I mean, the "coming right for us" mentality is easy to claim after the fact, especially in this case where the individual was off screen. It could have been equally likely in this case, all possible results considered that the individual could have a) picked up a rock, stick or other more harmful weapon and was advancing, b) continued to run off, not changing direction and just continue running, c) tried jumping into the cop car to foment mass mayhem, d) stopped and turned around with their hands up, or any other possible action. "D" might be not as likely, depending on the circumstances, but if the perp was 21, and just wanted for disorderly conduct, as another poster mentioned, it is feasible that the situation just got out of hand too quickly. My main gripe is that all we are going off of in this instance is that the officer is "claiming" that she felt threatened. There is no video to prove that this statement is true. This seems to be a frequent thing in these shootings, where there is less than 100% evidence. Again, the officer probably was in the right, but is there any true accountability for veracity in most of these cases? I can GUARANTEE YOU.... THAT Officer had NO idea what was in-frame, out of frame or even that her "Fat Ass" was on camera. Have you been in that situation???? I mean really, BEEN In that situation where you have to make a decision that affects the LIVES of others (Friends, co-workers, or even strangers) Well. I have. You have about one half to three quarters of a second to make a decision. OH... And Lucky YOU, It's on camera! other people who weren't there have MONTHS to "figure out" what would have been appropriate. It sucks. Because all you know is, you were getting your ass kicked, then, "one of your friendlies showed up and THEY were getting their ass kicked and OH MY GOD... IS THIS IT? Fuck!.... Take him out. I'm just asking. Have you ever been there? One of these days... A *REAL* rain is gonna come and wash all this scum off the streets. |
| MuzzleBreak User ID: 28004168 United States11/19/2012 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Travis Bickle It comes down to what the officer was thinking at the time when determining the outcome of these cases.... I'm not trying to argue that the individual was innocent in any way. This is one where I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the cops. But this part of your statement troubles me greatly. Wouldn't it be more correct to say, "what the officer claimed they were thinking or feeling at the time". I mean, the "coming right for us" mentality is easy to claim after the fact, especially in this case where the individual was off screen. It could have been equally likely in this case, all possible results considered that the individual could have a) picked up a rock, stick or other more harmful weapon and was advancing, b) continued to run off, not changing direction and just continue running, c) tried jumping into the cop car to foment mass mayhem, d) stopped and turned around with their hands up, or any other possible action. "D" might be not as likely, depending on the circumstances, but if the perp was 21, and just wanted for disorderly conduct, as another poster mentioned, it is feasible that the situation just got out of hand too quickly. My main gripe is that all we are going off of in this instance is that the officer is "claiming" that she felt threatened. There is no video to prove that this statement is true. This seems to be a frequent thing in these shootings, where there is less than 100% evidence. Again, the officer probably was in the right, but is there any true accountability for veracity in most of these cases? I can GUARANTEE YOU.... THAT Officer had NO idea what was in-frame, out of frame or even that her "Fat Ass" was on camera. Have you been in that situation???? I mean really, BEEN In that situation where you have to make a decision that affects the LIVES of others (Friends, co-workers, or even strangers) Well. I have. You have about one half to three quarters of a second to make a decision. OH... And Lucky YOU, It's on camera! other people who weren't there have MONTHS to "figure out" what would have been appropriate. It sucks. Because all you know is, you were getting your ass kicked, then, "one of your friendlies showed up and THEY were getting their ass kicked and OH MY GOD... IS THIS IT? Fuck!.... Take him out. I'm just asking. Have you ever been there? You mean--In a fight with an unarmed guy smaller than you who got in a punch and is backing away?? Sure, hasn't nearly everyone? Last Edited by MuzzleBreak on 11/19/2012 10:54 PM In his book, "Between Two Ages," Brzezinski wrote: "The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values." MuzzleBreak |
| Travis Bickle Vigilantes need love too.... User ID: 26788702 United States11/19/2012 11:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Travis Bickle It comes down to what the officer was thinking at the time when determining the outcome of these cases.... I'm not trying to argue that the individual was innocent in any way. This is one where I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the cops. But this part of your statement troubles me greatly. Wouldn't it be more correct to say, "what the officer claimed they were thinking or feeling at the time". I mean, the "coming right for us" mentality is easy to claim after the fact, especially in this case where the individual was off screen. It could have been equally likely in this case, all possible results considered that the individual could have a) picked up a rock, stick or other more harmful weapon and was advancing, b) continued to run off, not changing direction and just continue running, c) tried jumping into the cop car to foment mass mayhem, d) stopped and turned around with their hands up, or any other possible action. "D" might be not as likely, depending on the circumstances, but if the perp was 21, and just wanted for disorderly conduct, as another poster mentioned, it is feasible that the situation just got out of hand too quickly. My main gripe is that all we are going off of in this instance is that the officer is "claiming" that she felt threatened. There is no video to prove that this statement is true. This seems to be a frequent thing in these shootings, where there is less than 100% evidence. Again, the officer probably was in the right, but is there any true accountability for veracity in most of these cases? I can GUARANTEE YOU.... THAT Officer had NO idea what was in-frame, out of frame or even that her "Fat Ass" was on camera. Have you been in that situation???? I mean really, BEEN In that situation where you have to make a decision that affects the LIVES of others (Friends, co-workers, or even strangers) Well. I have. You have about one half to three quarters of a second to make a decision. OH... And Lucky YOU, It's on camera! other people who weren't there have MONTHS to "figure out" what would have been appropriate. It sucks. Because all you know is, you were getting your ass kicked, then, "one of your friendlies showed up and THEY were getting their ass kicked and OH MY GOD... IS THIS IT? Fuck!.... Take him out. I'm just asking. Have you ever been there? You mean--In a fight with an unarmed guy smaller than you who got in a punch and is backing away?? Sure, hasn't nearly everyone? Yeah... You've got it! A little wirey fucker that you thought FOR SURE you could handle, (Because that's YOUR JOB... Nothing personal. No inner drive other than it is YOUR DUTY to take action) but he starts kicking you ASS... And, on top of it, you have a GUN on your hip, which, if he gets a hold of could end your life That's what happened to me... A little wirey AIDS-Ridden Hep-C positive fucker that I thought FOR SURE I can take this guy into custody for breaking windows and kicking the ever-living shit out of his lover (who I don't give a flying FUCK about) But... When he BIT ME... All I could think about was executing him. I didn't. And that is what separates me from "other" cops. The cops you guys whine about. I simply beat him into submission. There were plenty of witnesses, but no cameras for YOUR viewing pleasure. It just so happened, in my case, that my training and experience helped me through. We ALL want to go home at the end of our shift. To some that means putting a cover pager on the TPS reports. To others, that means making split second decisions which affect the lives of others. Last Edited by Travis Bickle on 11/19/2012 11:47 PM One of these days... A *REAL* rain is gonna come and wash all this scum off the streets. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27968504 United States11/20/2012 01:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's what happened to me... A little wirey AIDS-Ridden Hep-C positive fucker that I thought FOR SURE I can take this guy into custody for breaking windows and kicking the ever-living shit out of his lover (who I don't give a flying FUCK about) Quoting: Travis Bickle But... When he BIT ME... All I could think about was executing him. You should try that before you could legally obtain their test results. I went through a year of HIV testing once. Thank God they let you know what you are dealing with now, and have effective prophalaxis. I would've gone and gotten my shots and beat him later... |
| Travis Bickle Vigilantes need love too.... User ID: 26788702 United States11/20/2012 03:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's what happened to me... A little wirey AIDS-Ridden Hep-C positive fucker that I thought FOR SURE I can take this guy into custody for breaking windows and kicking the ever-living shit out of his lover (who I don't give a flying FUCK about) Quoting: Travis Bickle But... When he BIT ME... All I could think about was executing him. You should try that before you could legally obtain their test results. I went through a year of HIV testing once. Thank God they let you know what you are dealing with now, and have effective prophalaxis. I would've gone and gotten my shots and beat him later... It was years ago... Its all good now. Free and clear! But at that moment, I thought it was the beginning of the end for me. Perhaps this officer thought it was going to be the end for HER. Last Edited by Travis Bickle on 11/20/2012 03:06 AM One of these days... A *REAL* rain is gonna come and wash all this scum off the streets. |
| Saucy Jack User ID: 14697918 United States11/20/2012 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Travis Bickle It comes down to what the officer was thinking at the time when determining the outcome of these cases.... I'm not trying to argue that the individual was innocent in any way. This is one where I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the cops. But this part of your statement troubles me greatly. Wouldn't it be more correct to say, "what the officer claimed they were thinking or feeling at the time". I mean, the "coming right for us" mentality is easy to claim after the fact, especially in this case where the individual was off screen. It could have been equally likely in this case, all possible results considered that the individual could have a) picked up a rock, stick or other more harmful weapon and was advancing, b) continued to run off, not changing direction and just continue running, c) tried jumping into the cop car to foment mass mayhem, d) stopped and turned around with their hands up, or any other possible action. "D" might be not as likely, depending on the circumstances, but if the perp was 21, and just wanted for disorderly conduct, as another poster mentioned, it is feasible that the situation just got out of hand too quickly. My main gripe is that all we are going off of in this instance is that the officer is "claiming" that she felt threatened. There is no video to prove that this statement is true. This seems to be a frequent thing in these shootings, where there is less than 100% evidence. Again, the officer probably was in the right, but is there any true accountability for veracity in most of these cases? I can GUARANTEE YOU.... THAT Officer had NO idea what was in-frame, out of frame or even that her "Fat Ass" was on camera. Have you been in that situation???? I mean really, BEEN In that situation where you have to make a decision that affects the LIVES of others (Friends, co-workers, or even strangers) Well. I have. You have about one half to three quarters of a second to make a decision. OH... And Lucky YOU, It's on camera! other people who weren't there have MONTHS to "figure out" what would have been appropriate. It sucks. Because all you know is, you were getting your ass kicked, then, "one of your friendlies showed up and THEY were getting their ass kicked and OH MY GOD... IS THIS IT? Fuck!.... Take him out. I'm just asking. Have you ever been there? Did you happen to see where I stated in the first part, that I was willing to give the benefit of doubt to the officer? Did I EVER refer to the firing officer as a "fat-ass"? No, I believe that the only comment that I made was in regards to the validity of after the fact statements of feeling threatened. Whether or not a dash cam's view was in field or not, is largely irrelevant, as footage can easily go "missing", or not be released. And to answer your question, I've been in some bad situations. I was in situations where I had to work to keep more than just myself or my family safe. I'm not really inclined to go one way or another on whether this officer in question was prepared to deal with this specific situation, but as I said, benefit of the doubt. I frequently view survival as the most vital of instincts, which is why they are getting that benefit of doubt in my eyes. Just as further clarification for my feelings on police: I've also been jumped by two POS police thugs for the "crime" of being out after two AM in a city that didn't have a curfew. I was slammed into a concrete riser because I didnt recognize that they were officers. All I could see were two burly men following me. They tried to accuse me of stealing a 32 inch TV over a dozen blocks away. When I proofed that I couldn't have, they FORCED me to use take a cab immediately back to my base, rather than do what I was planning on doing and just walk home. I have not any "good" cops face to face, but I do hold out hope to meet one eventually. Yeah, you are not gonna agree with me on a lot. Figured that out a long time ago. |
| Borian User ID: 1139038 United States11/20/2012 10:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6543219 You're an idiot fascist. He was unarmed. The two pigs outweighed him by 5x to 6x. Fascist? You obviously don't read my posts often...nor do you understand the meaning of fascist. Fascist means conservative these days. They are hoping it will stick. Exactly...it's all partisan linguistic manipulation. I'll continue to use the real words as the status quo attempts to change the definitions...Fuck'em. Do agree with you there. Modify the language, and start them young. It's almost like watching a game from the outside. No one seems to see how easy it is. |
