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Child marriage in Eastern Cape, South Africa - Ukuthwala

 
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Child marriage in Eastern Cape, South Africa - Ukuthwala
A couple of months ago I posted a reply in a thread in which I mentioned a particular custom in a part of South Africa, in which some person, sometimes elderly, sometimes some family member, comes to visit the home of a girl, often minor, sometimes as young as 8 years old; all he had to do was put a particular kind of necklace around the girl's neck, and she was then supposed to follow him to his home where she stayed for a few days, which not seldom resulted in rape.

At the time I couldn't remember what the practice was called, nor what that "necklace" was called (notice the similarity to that other practice, which I think is called "necklacing", consisting of putting a tyre around your enemy's neck and setting it on fire which was used extensively still Win the nineties).

It is called "Ukuthwala."

Here are a few links, Google for many more.

Ukuthwala is a very old custom which men in those regions understandably are very reluctant to part with, but women nowadays are trying to get rid of it.

Nelson Mandela seems to be rather reluctant to criticize this practice. He even stated that this can happen to girls of all ages, not just children; and he says the problem resulting from sometimes taking young children stems from western thinking, because to them, it's not a matter of age.


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Re: Child marriage in Eastern Cape, South Africa - Ukuthwala
Something I forgot to mention - in principle this custom seems to have been meant as a way of preparing marriage. In practice however, it oftens results in child rape.
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Re: Child marriage in Eastern Cape, South Africa - Ukuthwala
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Re: Child marriage in Eastern Cape, South Africa - Ukuthwala
A couple of months ago I posted a reply in a thread in which I mentioned a particular custom in a part of South Africa, in which some person, sometimes elderly, sometimes some family member, comes to visit the home of a girl, often minor, sometimes as young as 8 years old; all he had to do was put a particular kind of necklace around the girl's neck, and she was then supposed to follow him to his home where she stayed for a few days, which not seldom resulted in rape.

At the time I couldn't remember what the practice was called, nor what that "necklace" was called (notice the similarity to that other practice, which I think is called "necklacing", consisting of putting a tyre around your enemy's neck and setting it on fire which was used extensively still Win the nineties).

It is called "Ukuthwala."

Here are a few links, Google for many more.

Ukuthwala is a very old custom which men in those regions understandably are very reluctant to part with, but women nowadays are trying to get rid of it.

Nelson Mandela seems to be rather reluctant to criticize this practice. He even stated that this can happen to girls of all ages, not just children; and he says the problem resulting from sometimes taking young children stems from western thinking, because to them, it's not a matter of age.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27889481

"Them", meaning of course the indigenous people we are talking about.
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Re: Child marriage in Eastern Cape, South Africa - Ukuthwala
Gypsies do something similar, but it's called grabbing.

What they do is, grab the girl they want, and rape her.
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Re: Child marriage in Eastern Cape, South Africa - Ukuthwala
Gypsies do something similar, but it's called grabbing.

What they do is, grab the girl they want, and rape her.
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Yeah, sure.
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11/18/2012 08:08 AM
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Re: Child marriage in Eastern Cape, South Africa - Ukuthwala
greed and sex, again problems, humans can't control themselves
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Re: Child marriage in Eastern Cape, South Africa - Ukuthwala
greed and sex, again problems, humans can't control themselves
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21449935

That's BS. There are lots of people around who don't need to do this kind of thing, even in those cultures.
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Re: Child marriage in Eastern Cape, South Africa - Ukuthwala
Let's bump this.
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Re: Child marriage in Eastern Cape, South Africa - Ukuthwala
The concept of "Ukutwala" or "Ukuthwala" seems to be rather loosely defined. One of those links I found says it has something to do magical practices (which, if you think about it, isn't actually too surprising).

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