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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28009341 United Kingdom 11/18/2012 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most things have gone in about 10- 20000 years. The only thing remaining is unweathered stone and deeply burried artifacts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011285 Thanks for that, interesting given that with ancient civilisation in this instance we're talking 40-50000+.... Perhaps we should look at ancient artefacts as the metal parts of a bigger object |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27997610 United Kingdom 11/18/2012 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i'd imagine if we were once as advanced, if not more so, with finds such as objects encased in fossil, coso artefact etc, then i'd imagine that plastic would have been created... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28009341 How long till plastic degrades down? IF they ever existed, they were most likely too advanced to use plastic. They probably relied on "Qi" or "Prana" more so than fossil fuels as a source of energy |
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AmericanJedi User ID: 1503533 United States 11/18/2012 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well OP, assuming that an advanced ancient civilization worked with plastics, I've read in chemistry journals that a milk carton would take 2000 years. I have heard dirty hippy liberals say 10K years. Of course, since this process has been around for only a century essentially, give a take a decade, I'd say no more than 10K years. So, theoretically, if a civilization existed 15K years ago, most traces of them could be all but gone. Hell, they could have had Macbook Pros and we wouldn't know it. That is also assuming that used plastics. (GLP aka American Jedi) Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth. Kenny Powers If you steal the dreams of others long enough, sooner or later you'll end up in a nightmare. American Jedi Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them. Albert Einstein Satis Eloquentiae, Sapientiae Parum.... "The last of the old?" "No, the first of the new." |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28009341 United Kingdom 11/18/2012 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i'd imagine if we were once as advanced, if not more so, with finds such as objects encased in fossil, coso artefact etc, then i'd imagine that plastic would have been created... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28009341 How long till plastic degrades down? IF they ever existed, they were most likely too advanced to use plastic. They probably relied on "Qi" or "Prana" more so than fossil fuels as a source of energy Yeah in a civilisation that cared about our world, however these civilisations were wiped out for a reason if the stories are to be believed |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28009341 United Kingdom 11/18/2012 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well OP, assuming that an advanced ancient civilization worked with plastics, I've read in chemistry journals that a milk carton would take 2000 years. I have heard dirty hippy liberals say 10K years. Quoting: AmericanJedi Of course, since this process has been around for only a century essentially, give a take a decade, I'd say no more than 10K years. So, theoretically, if a civilization existed 15K years ago, most traces of them could be all but gone. Hell, they could have had Macbook Pros and we wouldn't know it. That is also assuming that used plastics. Along the same lines as i was thinking, cheers :) |
T Ceti H.C. Radnarg User ID: 27089841 United States 11/18/2012 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what ancient "flourishing" civilizations? no general population burial sites missing 100 million people and 100's of millions of personal daily artifacts dont just disappear...all the ruins were ruins to begin with,with their human remain props and histories were written for them...the lack of enough physical evidence proves this...remains of industries to feed and cloth that many people just dont disappear either...the lies are wayyyyyyy bigger than you think...the key word is flourishing... How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24011285 United Kingdom 11/18/2012 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nature takes good care of decay. Here's a documentary about organic decay processes. [link to www.youtube.com] I've been searching for a documentary about decay of civilization - how cars rot and how corrosion processes take care of just about eveything. Not able to find that just yet. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27450066 Belgium 11/18/2012 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nature takes good care of decay. Here's a documentary about organic decay processes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011285 [link to www.youtube.com] I've been searching for a documentary about decay of civilization - how cars rot and how corrosion processes take care of just about eveything. Not able to find that just yet. Here you go: [link to www.youtube.com] An excellent documentary about what would happen when humans should suddenly disappear. It's in 9 parts. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24011285 United Kingdom 11/18/2012 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nature takes good care of decay. Here's a documentary about organic decay processes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011285 [link to www.youtube.com] I've been searching for a documentary about decay of civilization - how cars rot and how corrosion processes take care of just about eveything. Not able to find that just yet. Here you go: [link to www.youtube.com] An excellent documentary about what would happen when humans should suddenly disappear. It's in 9 parts. Thats the one! Thanks! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5063610 United States 11/18/2012 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The earth is billions of years old, and has been through numerous cycles of civilization and depopulation. Each of which has been seperated by hundreds of thousands to millions of years. There's evidence of some of those civilizations, but they are buried beneath oceans and deserts. I do not believe that plastic, even if buried, will last long enough to be found hundreds of thousands or millions of years later. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1175381 Slovakia 11/18/2012 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The earth is billions of years old, and has been through numerous cycles of civilization and depopulation. Each of which has been seperated by hundreds of thousands to millions of years. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5063610 There's evidence of some of those civilizations, but they are buried beneath oceans and deserts. I do not believe that plastic, even if buried, will last long enough to be found hundreds of thousands or millions of years later. microbes are able of adaptation, they are capable to adjust their metabolism and synthetize new enzymes, new chemicals to degrade new matter. E.g. some thirty years ago the polycarboxylates added to water (either as an inhibitor of scaling, or as floculants, etc.) were passing through a waste water treatment plant without losses. During the time bacteria in activated sludge adapted their enzyme system to new chemicals and nowadays polycarboxylates are decomposed in WWTPs. Similar situation was with oil pollution. Item est the degradation of plastic material should be according to my opinion a question of several centuries as max., probably perhaps decades, but sure not thousands of years. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28001693 Canada 11/18/2012 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well OP, assuming that an advanced ancient civilization worked with plastics, I've read in chemistry journals that a milk carton would take 2000 years. I have heard dirty hippy liberals say 10K years. Quoting: AmericanJedi Of course, since this process has been around for only a century essentially, give a take a decade, I'd say no more than 10K years. So, theoretically, if a civilization existed 15K years ago, most traces of them could be all but gone. Hell, they could have had Macbook Pros and we wouldn't know it. That is also assuming that used plastics. I have heard dirty hippy liberals say 10K years I'd say no more than 10K years |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1524473 Canada 11/18/2012 03:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is a bacteria that consumes plastic... It can degrade in months. However unaided, it can last for a few thousand years. It is unlikely that ancient civizations produced plastics though, however how some buildings were constructed with tight fitting stones, are still unknown but some evidence points to a plant (juices) that smooths stone or unidentified advanced concrete technologies |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24011285 United Kingdom 11/18/2012 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most things have gone in about 10- 20000 years. The only thing remaining is unweathered stone and deeply burried artifacts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011285 And maybe the ruins of Atlantis is just about or much more than 20.000 years Could be 26000 to 30000 - the precession of the equinoxes. And before that, cycle after cycle. |
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