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Wait - Wuh?? Some Hostess Workers Feel 'Relief' at Losing Jobs ??????????

 
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Re: Wait - Wuh?? Some Hostess Workers Feel 'Relief' at Losing Jobs ??????????
This is how vulture capitalism works. You take a company with assets you leverage it to the hilt. Get concessions from workers even if they aren't that much. Keep squeezing all the short term profit you can out of the company and when it's done you bankrupt it and sell off all the assets. No matter what these employees did the end goal would have been the same. Vulture capitalism is all about about short term profit. This is exactly what Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich were talking about.
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Remember the movie 'Pretty Woman'? Thats what Richard Gere's character did - bought companies up on the cheap then broke them up for more parts.

In the end though, his most recent target he decided to join with the family-owners to resurrect the company. And of course he got the girl too - but thats another story.
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Re: Wait - Wuh?? Some Hostess Workers Feel 'Relief' at Losing Jobs ??????????
If the company you work for is raking in 1000 a month
and has to pay out 900 a month for expenses, why would employees scream to make more in wages? Wouldn't they rather try to find ways to make the company more productive, rather than aid in its collapse?
From what I've read, Hostess wasn't doing that great in profits, and the union and union dupes should have known that, and realized what would happen if they kept demanding more.
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Ever since Glass-Steagall was repealed you see this more and more. And why??

Because BEFORE 1999 any 'leverage' was created through ONLY investors willing to gamble.

AFTER Bill Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall, bankers had access to our checking and savings accounts AS BACKUP in case their bets failed.

Eventually this mentality created a whole generation of "Why worry - it's not my money that will get lost" attitudes.

Both DEMOCRATS and REPUBLICANS do not want to re-install Glass-Steagall Act because those on Wall Street 'claim' it did little to create the problem and would do little to fix anything now.

Glass-Steagall was put in place during the 1930's DEPRESSION - and we have a similar situation now.

Dodd-Frank is a bunch of 'regulations' which say bankers must do 'this or that' but Dodd-Frank does NOTHING to curb the access to our checking/savings deposits as a backup for the bankers gambling.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM PEOPLE!!!

Put Glass-Steagall back in and watch the bankers drop like flies. They will have to gamble with their OWN money - not yours or mine.

WAKE THE FUK UP!!!
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If the company you work for is raking in 1000 a month
and has to pay out 900 a month for expenses, why would employees scream to make more in wages? Wouldn't they rather try to find ways to make the company more productive, rather than aid in its collapse?
From what I've read, Hostess wasn't doing that great in profits, and the union and union dupes should have known that, and realized what would happen if they kept demanding more.
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If you're only making $1000 a month and have 90% expenses then you need to go out of business.
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Burn, bi-girl! You don't like it, apply for a job there, then judge!
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"Unions Have Destroyed Every Company In Which They've Been Intimately Involved"

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 Quoting: Phennommennonn




That is bullshit, I have been employed by a union electrical contractor for close to 20years and the owner lacks for nothing and I have made a great wage and built a very nice retirement during those years.......far more than any non-union electrician in my state!

I pay my dues and they leave me alone, I don't go to their meetings or do any other so called "brotherhood" BS. So if you want to make less and have no future then by all means never join a union.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28010361


dude - thats what indoctrination does. it sways opinion.
the dems are notorious for this - and quite frankly successful in baiting/reeling the useful idiots in....

the unions prepare you - for socialism & communism

i was a USgovt employee - yes i was union 20+ yrs. had no fuckin clue as a kid - as to their history, ties, agendas, change agents, educational lineage - dude...i was totally clueless.

i was not only an 'area rep'....i took grievances/cases to national arbitration & the NLRB (national labor relations board)

it was 6 mos before i "retired"....where something came across my desk - that alerted me, got my full attention.
it made me realize, that everything 'we' thought/been told - was predicated on a lie. i didnt want to be a tool anymore.

i bowed out.
 Quoting: Phennommennonn





What part of I pay my dues and they leave me alone didn't copy, I'm also in a right to work red state that has more right leaning union members per member than probably any......the union for me is a vehicle to get me to a destination, I in no way shape or fashion endorse their political agenda.
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just once I'd like to see a "Union" create a business rather than destroy one.
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Too bad that's never happened.
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All I know is the Hostess plant in NC has some damn fat raccoons that are going to be going hungry.
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I like my union..I get paid rather well thanks to them.The amount I pay in dues doesn't even come cose to what I reap,so I will gladly pay for their protection against companies that are all for themselves but fail to recognise the grunts of the company and shit on them whenever possible.Unionise it all..bout time the worker got some rights,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25880986


Another brainwashed union sheople.

They have you BELIEVING that you would get screwed without them. The mob used to do this to people too.

Funny, I have no union, I don't need one. I have skills that are marketable and get job offers all the time and the rest of the people are disgusted about how much I get paid.

YOu can either depend on a union to bargain for your meager skills or you can get some real skills and constantly get job offers in the six figure range.

...oh, and I have a two year tech degree. Not smart enough or willing to work as hard as I do? Well, then, don't expect a company to be happy about paying you more than you are worth just because a union blackmails them.

Like I said, I don't need a union, I have skills. All you union people will be out of a job soon. As you lose your overpaid jobs, picture me laughing like this guy as you're standing in line EBT line:

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Phen said "unions are extortionists."

THAT IS SO VERY ACCURATE. Best way to put it.
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why don't you get off your ass and get a job Phenom.
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i dont have to work chuckle-fuck. i made my money to where i can sit here, live off investment and annoy the fuckin hell outta ya day after goddamned day.

aint life wonderful?
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There's no reason a company selling $2B a year can't afford to pay its workers a decent wage and still make a profit.

 Quoting: Instant Karma


putin

You've never owned a business, you've never made payroll, and you never will.

Prove me wrong.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


If a company can't pay a decent wage with benefits and still make a profit, there's something wrong with their business model. Corporations have been blaming labor since the beginning of the industrial age. Look at China and see how typical corporations treat their labor when they are given the chance.

Walmart is a classic example of a company that can afford to pay its workers much better and give them healthcare but rather take huge profits.
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You could have saved time and effort by acknowledging that no, you have never run a business or made payroll, and never will.

Fuck off with your commie envy mindset.
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If you had studied history, you'd know that communism was invented by greedy capitalist bankers as a control mechanism. Marx and Lenin were both funded by western capital.

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I'm not anti-free enterprise. But without unions, most corporations would treat their workforce like they do in China and elsewhere thanks to "free" trade agreements like NAFTA and GATT.

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Typical corporation blaming labor for their mismanagement. Management takes the credit when the company does well, but never takes the blame when it doesn't.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


costs go up annually.

UIB premiums
HC premiums
payroll taxes
et al etc....

8pct pay cut is chump change compared to having NO JOB AT ALL
you fuckin goober assed shill.

whats 8% of say avg hostess worker hourly 16.81 wage.

do the math.
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


There's no reason a company selling $2B a year can't afford to pay its workers a decent wage and still make a profit.

Considering how many people their products have likely killed or made sick, it's probably a good thing if they go out of business.

Hostess Twinkies ingredients:

Enriched wheat flour, sugar, corn syrup (GMO), niacin, water, high fructose corn syrup (GMO), vegetable and/or animal shortening – containing one or more of partially hydrogenated soybean (GMO), cottonseed (GMO) and canola oil (GMO), and beef fat, dextrose, whole eggs, modified corn starch (GMO), cellulose gum, whey, leavenings (sodium acid pyrophosphate, baking soda, monocalcium phosphate), salt, cornstarch (GMO), corn flour (GMO), corn syrup solids (GMO), mono and diglycerides, soy lecithin (GMO), polysorbate 60, dextrin, calcium caseinate, sodium stearoyl lactylate, wheat gluten, calcium sulphate, natural and artificial flavors, caramel color, yellow No. 5, red #40.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


ever own a business?
ever have to meet payroll?
ever have to pay bus taxes?
ever have to cut costs in order to stay afloat?
ever have to find alternatives to advertising & competing?

didnt think so....but i have.


now we'll wait while you demonstrate how you'll demonstrate fitting your exceptionally big feet, into your even bigger mouth.
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The problem with society today is that people can't look forward to working hard for a determinate amount of time and have some upward mobility. This is due the fact that the government has inflated the currency too much to afford all the shit they promise to the entitled minded.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Not just that. Here in the USA our industry has fled overseas. We buy the stuff made overseas, but what jobs are there for local workers? Private employers with unions cannot survive and die as this one did.

But we cannot outsource our beloved government, and so we have to pay those government employee union salaries, endlessly.
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nafta.....
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Re: Wait - Wuh?? Some Hostess Workers Feel 'Relief' at Losing Jobs ??????????
They won't feel relieved for very long.
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when you look at it this way dude....lets just say for argument the money you were making on the union job was 15-18 hr....+/-...

the companys in trouble...they ask for a pay cut

reasonably speaking - there couldve been a global meetup to discuss....ALL employees - to include mgmt - to take said cut and....look for other areas to meet some of that cost, such as perhaps finding a cheaper HC policy -

even - trying a 35 hour work week
hiring PT'ers in lieu of FT'ers sometimes isnt what you want to hear but the savings keeps the business in productions bc of the cost factor.

there WERE options.

the teamsters union is memory serves, was cooperative in reaching an agreement. the bakers union remained steadfast in - im saying it....extortion.

they pulled the same fuckin shit on long island 30 yrs ago
*i think it was at entenmenns bakery in bayshore. (??)
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I wouldn't take cut in pay and keep working the same number of hours just to save a company that management fucked up. I would work less hours making the same rate of pay to help keep the company afloat though. Working 40+ hours a week is fucking bullshit. Working 40+ hours a week for less pay than I was already making would not work with me.
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mmmm k..........you go take that min wage job at wally world for less than 40 hrs.
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If the company you work for is raking in 1000 a month
and has to pay out 900 a month for expenses, why would employees scream to make more in wages? Wouldn't they rather try to find ways to make the company more productive, rather than aid in its collapse?
From what I've read, Hostess wasn't doing that great in profits, and the union and union dupes should have known that, and realized what would happen if they kept demanding more.
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If you're only making $1000 a month and have 90% expenses then you need to go out of business.
 Quoting: fatrat007


Idiot.

Most semi-conductor businesses make around 3-4% margin along with most manufacturing.

So you want them to ALL go out of business because they have thin profit margins? Very few companies have > 10% margin.

If the hostess union members think they can get better wages they TAKE UP A COLLECTION AND BUY THE BRANDS...then go to work as owner / employee and see how easy it is to make payroll.

Perhaps they'll learn that it's not as easy as they think.

And yes, leverage has killed millions of business since the dawn of man...it's not new to our banking system. Borrowing too much money will cripple cash-flow at any time period.

The company only owes you a paycheck for the day's work and they have every right to negotiate a pay rate as low as you'll accept.

The company has no obligation to exist tomorrow for your convenience. It exists to make the owners as much money as possible for it's owners.

It's not your company just because you hung around 20 years without showing enough initiative to do something on your own. Were are these folks degrees (night school)? Why didn't these "master bakers" start their own shops? Why did they pay Union dues but neglected to save collectively and start their own large corp?

It's not your company because you and your friends formed a gang (Union)and used threats to extort higher pay and benefits than you could gain individually.
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No, this is not the reason. you guys are still thinking that this was an actual strike bla,bla,bla. This was done by the union on purpose, this was designed by the democrats on purpose to close dowm this company. they have to destroy all the big company's for their plans to work. is this about section 8 lol it would take them years to get that seeing how many are waiting to get on it.Unemployment probably not seeing it was a strike,Obama phone it is said you only get like 150-250 minutes eithr way not worth giving up your job.food stamps well as they may help I doubt its enough to live on and how they going to pay rent? concast shit you wont need comcast with no home.Salvation Army free gifts lol I worked for them a couple years ago they dont take people looking for toys this late you have to try and sign up like in sept-oct.Gov. finance assitance is for if you own your home which most probably dont. so no this was designed to bring down another company to blame the republicans, to put more out of work,to Destroy America's Foundation.
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bc unions destroy companies.

thats the name of the game.
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i have my own first hand experience about unions. i was on one once for a short while and i will tell you what i learned. i was forced to join or i would be fired, then i was forced to pay to be on said union, so then they took some of my pay. then when i needed their help they were no were to be found, just left me high and dry but they made sure they got their money. that is what unions do.
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how many of you actually work for a union ?

anyone ? have you ever worked for one ?
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why work when you can collect shit for free?!

how about self-pride.
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how much are your dues?
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Typical corporation blaming labor for their mismanagement. Management takes the credit when the company does well, but never takes the blame when it doesn't.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


costs go up annually.

UIB premiums
HC premiums
payroll taxes
et al etc....

8pct pay cut is chump change compared to having NO JOB AT ALL
you fuckin goober assed shill.

whats 8% of say avg hostess worker hourly 16.81 wage.

do the math.
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


There's no reason a company selling $2B a year can't afford to pay its workers a decent wage and still make a profit.

Considering how many people their products have likely killed or made sick, it's probably a good thing if they go out of business.

Hostess Twinkies ingredients:

Enriched wheat flour, sugar, corn syrup (GMO), niacin, water, high fructose corn syrup (GMO), vegetable and/or animal shortening – containing one or more of partially hydrogenated soybean (GMO), cottonseed (GMO) and canola oil (GMO), and beef fat, dextrose, whole eggs, modified corn starch (GMO), cellulose gum, whey, leavenings (sodium acid pyrophosphate, baking soda, monocalcium phosphate), salt, cornstarch (GMO), corn flour (GMO), corn syrup solids (GMO), mono and diglycerides, soy lecithin (GMO), polysorbate 60, dextrin, calcium caseinate, sodium stearoyl lactylate, wheat gluten, calcium sulphate, natural and artificial flavors, caramel color, yellow No. 5, red #40.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


ever own a business?
ever have to meet payroll?
ever have to pay bus taxes?
ever have to cut costs in order to stay afloat?
ever have to find alternatives to advertising & competing?

didnt think so....but i have.


now we'll wait while you demonstrate how you'll demonstrate fitting your exceptionally big feet, into your even bigger mouth.
footinmout
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Sure you have... housewife.
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ever own a business?
ever have to meet payroll?
ever have to pay bus taxes?
ever have to cut costs in order to stay afloat?
ever have to find alternatives to advertising & competing?

didnt think so....but i have.


now we'll wait while you demonstrate how you'll demonstrate fitting your exceptionally big feet, into your even bigger mouth.
footinmout
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Sure you have... housewife.
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nah i pay ppl to do it for me wink

like i said in a prev post....- aint life wonderful?

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11/18/2012 06:36 PM
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Re: Wait - Wuh?? Some Hostess Workers Feel 'Relief' at Losing Jobs ??????????
How many twinkees can one possible eat?
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11/18/2012 06:59 PM
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They won't feel relieved for very long.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27936947


when you look at it this way dude....lets just say for argument the money you were making on the union job was 15-18 hr....+/-...

the companys in trouble...they ask for a pay cut

reasonably speaking - there couldve been a global meetup to discuss....ALL employees - to include mgmt - to take said cut and....look for other areas to meet some of that cost, such as perhaps finding a cheaper HC policy -

even - trying a 35 hour work week
hiring PT'ers in lieu of FT'ers sometimes isnt what you want to hear but the savings keeps the business in productions bc of the cost factor.

there WERE options.

the teamsters union is memory serves, was cooperative in reaching an agreement. the bakers union remained steadfast in - im saying it....extortion.

they pulled the same fuckin shit on long island 30 yrs ago
*i think it was at entenmenns bakery in bayshore. (??)
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


Well you stated your point.
Have you ever had a job in your life Phenn?
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11/18/2012 07:05 PM

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They won't feel relieved for very long.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27936947


when you look at it this way dude....lets just say for argument the money you were making on the union job was 15-18 hr....+/-...

the companys in trouble...they ask for a pay cut

reasonably speaking - there couldve been a global meetup to discuss....ALL employees - to include mgmt - to take said cut and....look for other areas to meet some of that cost, such as perhaps finding a cheaper HC policy -

even - trying a 35 hour work week
hiring PT'ers in lieu of FT'ers sometimes isnt what you want to hear but the savings keeps the business in productions bc of the cost factor.

there WERE options.

the teamsters union is memory serves, was cooperative in reaching an agreement. the bakers union remained steadfast in - im saying it....extortion.

they pulled the same fuckin shit on long island 30 yrs ago
*i think it was at entenmenns bakery in bayshore. (??)
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


Well you stated your point.
Have you ever had a job in your life Phenn?
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you havent read thru the thread have you?
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11/18/2012 07:16 PM
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You said you have, not I do.
Could have been landscaping job.
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You said you have, not I do.
Could have been landscaping job.
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read thru more jethro - i stated my 20+ yr job.
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11/18/2012 07:20 PM
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Re: Wait - Wuh?? Some Hostess Workers Feel 'Relief' at Losing Jobs ??????????
Just saying.
Unions have there place when companies cannot move overseas.

The workers have some power rather than no power.

This post shows unions have very little power over employers and such the employer shows they care even less for you as an employee.
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11/18/2012 07:22 PM
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Re: Wait - Wuh?? Some Hostess Workers Feel 'Relief' at Losing Jobs ??????????
If the company you work for is raking in 1000 a month
and has to pay out 900 a month for expenses, why would employees scream to make more in wages? Wouldn't they rather try to find ways to make the company more productive, rather than aid in its collapse?
From what I've read, Hostess wasn't doing that great in profits, and the union and union dupes should have known that, and realized what would happen if they kept demanding more.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1044117


Except they didn't have 90% expenses and it wasn't the workers demanding more and more.
It was Hostess that was demanding more or else.

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