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BREAKING: Hamas presents Israel with ceasefire

 
Burt Gummer

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Hamas dares israel to invade gaza, dismisses ceasefire:

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Then any future Palestinian blood spilled lies in the hands of Hamas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25439775


Agree, but we know the majority of the press around the world will spin it that it's Israel's fault.
 Quoting: Fighting Spartan


Are you fucking kidding me? The whole world is blaming hamas. Only some of the small non mainstream outlets see this for what it is. Israel continous occupation of Palestinian land and the crippling economic blockadeare the root causes of this problem.
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scrwbl kookbird norespect
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"Israel" started this, not the Palestinians.
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Writing the bible has done wonders for them.
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"Israel" started this, not the Palestinians.
 Quoting: RDprofessor


Fucking tool.
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Then any future Palestinian blood spilled lies in the hands of Hamas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25439775


Agree, but we know the majority of the press around the world will spin it that it's Israel's fault.
 Quoting: Fighting Spartan


Are you fucking kidding me? The whole world is blaming hamas. Only some of the small non mainstream outlets see this for what it is. Israel continous occupation of Palestinian land and the crippling economic blockadeare the root causes of this problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708767


:scrwbl: :kookbird: norespect
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LOL, beat me to it.
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"Israel" started this, not the Palestinians.
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Fucking tool.
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They're both to blame.
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"Israel" started this, not the Palestinians.
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Writing the bible has done wonders for them.
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I wonder how long it takes most people to figure that out? Took me 40 years but never gave it much thought until later in life.

But after a while it becomes obvious. So many have been fooled for so long. It's sad.
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Re: BREAKING: Hamas presents Israel with ceasefire
Hamas dares israel to invade gaza, dismisses ceasefire:

[link to mobile.nytimes.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10326561


Then any future Palestinian blood spilled lies in the hands of Hamas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25439775


Palestinians should round up Hamas. Or STFU.
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Re: BREAKING: Hamas presents Israel with ceasefire
"Israel" started this, not the Palestinians.
 Quoting: RDprofessor


Writing the bible has done wonders for them.
 Quoting: pool


I wonder how long it takes most people to figure that out? Took me 40 years but never gave it much thought until later in life.

But after a while it becomes obvious. So many have been fooled for so long. It's sad.
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Some of us are just born to change. hf
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Then any future Palestinian blood spilled lies in the hands of Hamas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25439775


Agree, but we know the majority of the press around the world will spin it that it's Israel's fault.
 Quoting: Fighting Spartan


Are you fucking kidding me? The whole world is blaming hamas. Only some of the small non mainstream outlets see this for what it is. Israel continous occupation of Palestinian land and the crippling economic blockadeare the root causes of this problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708767


:scrwbl: :kookbird: norespect
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


During cast lead Israel destroyed 20,000 businesses and residential properties. With the blockade most of the remaining businesses were forced to close, they denied them the right to recovery. Take away a mans right to have diginity and provide for his family and this is what you get. Add the constant stealing, demolishing of homes and land and you expect there not to be a resistance?

Israels constant breaking of ceasefires and international law is the problem here. If you don't see that you are turning a blind eye to the facts and your constant spewing of vitrol towards Muslims has become your entire world view. Look from the other side for once.
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Re: BREAKING: Hamas presents Israel with ceasefire
Hamas' stated goal is the destruction of Israel. This isn't a peace offering because they are not at all interested in peace with Israel. It is an attempt to gain time to regroup and reconstitute. That is all this is.
 Quoting: Resister


Yup! They call it "udna". Not peace, regroup, rest and rearm.
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Agree, but we know the majority of the press around the world will spin it that it's Israel's fault.
 Quoting: Fighting Spartan


Are you fucking kidding me? The whole world is blaming hamas. Only some of the small non mainstream outlets see this for what it is. Israel continous occupation of Palestinian land and the crippling economic blockadeare the root causes of this problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708767


:scrwbl: :kookbird: norespect
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


LOL, beat me to it.
 Quoting: Fighting Spartan


It's obvious you two have nothing of importance to add.
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Agree, but we know the majority of the press around the world will spin it that it's Israel's fault.
 Quoting: Fighting Spartan


Are you fucking kidding me? The whole world is blaming hamas. Only some of the small non mainstream outlets see this for what it is. Israel continous occupation of Palestinian land and the crippling economic blockadeare the root causes of this problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708767


:scrwbl: :kookbird: norespect
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


During cast lead Israel destroyed 20,000 businesses and residential properties. With the blockade most of the remaining businesses were forced to close, they denied them the right to recovery. Take away a mans right to have diginity and provide for his family and this is what you get. Add the constant stealing, demolishing of homes and land and you expect there not to be a resistance?

Israels constant breaking of ceasefires and international law is the problem here. If you don't see that you are turning a blind eye to the facts and your constant spewing of vitrol towards Muslims has become your entire world view. Look from the other side for once.
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Consider some people ork for the Devil and no amount of truth is going to stop them from getting what they want in Palestine... Dead Men, women, and children.
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Are you fucking kidding me? The whole world is blaming hamas. Only some of the small non mainstream outlets see this for what it is. Israel continous occupation of Palestinian land and the crippling economic blockadeare the root causes of this problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708767


scrwbl kookbird norespect
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


LOL, beat me to it.
 Quoting: Fighting Spartan


It's obvious you two have nothing of importance to add.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708767


It's obvious that you are so full of sh*t that your hair is brown.

knockout
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:scrwbl: :kookbird: norespect
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


LOL, beat me to it.
 Quoting: Fighting Spartan


It's obvious you two have nothing of importance to add.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15708767


It's obvious that you are so full of sh*t that your hair is brown.

knockout
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Even a blind man can see that the Palestinians are having everything stolen from them.
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Re: BREAKING: Hamas presents Israel with ceasefire
there will NEVER be a ceasefire, maybe for a short time, but hamas will only reload their weapons, they are living for destroying israel!

it's like taliban/al qaida making truce with the US!
 Quoting: Ger_reG


Israel is constantly building settlements on arab land. Israel is the evil thorn that is infecting the region.
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Wrong. Gaza is Israels land. This goes way back to the time of Moses. islam is a relatively new cult. Israels land will only enlarge.
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Re: BREAKING: Hamas presents Israel with ceasefire
there will NEVER be a ceasefire, maybe for a short time, but hamas will only reload their weapons, they are living for destroying israel!

it's like taliban/al qaida making truce with the US!
 Quoting: Ger_reG


Israel is constantly building settlements on arab land. Israel is the evil thorn that is infecting the region.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28064029

Wrong. Gaza is Israels land. This goes way back to the time of Moses. islam is a relatively new cult. Israels land will only enlarge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28103348


Never heard of Moses? What does that have to do with any of this?
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Re: BREAKING: Hamas presents Israel with ceasefire
there will NEVER be a ceasefire, maybe for a short time, but hamas will only reload their weapons, they are living for destroying israel!

it's like taliban/al qaida making truce with the US!
 Quoting: Ger_reG


Israel is constantly building settlements on arab land. Israel is the evil thorn that is infecting the region.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28064029

Wrong. Gaza is Israels land. This goes way back to the time of Moses. islam is a relatively new cult. Israels land will only enlarge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28103348


Uhhh no. How can you possibly say because a certain religious group lived in a certain area 3000 years ago that gives the people who practice the religion now the right to forcefully take it. If I convert to judaism does that give me the right to go steal a piece of that now because jews were there 3000 years ago? Of course not.
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Re: BREAKING: Hamas presents Israel with ceasefire
there will NEVER be a ceasefire, maybe for a short time, but hamas will only reload their weapons, they are living for destroying israel!

it's like taliban/al qaida making truce with the US!
 Quoting: Ger_reG


Israel is constantly building settlements on arab land. Israel is the evil thorn that is infecting the region.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28064029

Wrong. Gaza is Israels land. This goes way back to the time of Moses. islam is a relatively new cult. Israels land will only enlarge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28103348


Uhhh no. How can you possibly say because a certain religious group lived in a certain area 3000 years ago that gives the people who practice the religion now the right to forcefully take it. If I convert to judaism does that give me the right to go steal a piece of that now because jews were there 3000 years ago? Of course not.
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How old is Australia...?
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Re: BREAKING: Hamas presents Israel with ceasefire
Hamas is in no position to be offering terms.

They are offering a ceasefire in exchange for shipments to be allowed into Gaza. In other words, they want time & leeway to rearm.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


Even if there is a ceasefire, NOTHING will get in or out of Gaza without going through the IDF
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M

Uhhh then how did they get the rockets they have been firing into Israel for over a week?
Dumb ass!
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Re: BREAKING: Hamas presents Israel with ceasefire
Hamas is in no position to be offering terms.

They are offering a ceasefire in exchange for shipments to be allowed into Gaza. In other words, they want time & leeway to rearm.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


Even if there is a ceasefire, NOTHING will get in or out of Gaza without going through the IDF
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23793796


M

Uhhh then how did they get the rockets they have been firing into Israel for over a week?
Dumb ass!
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The worrying thing is that a lot of those rockets are being sent via tunnels from Egypt.

If Israel wants to get to the root of that problem they'll need to go through the Egyptian Army to do it.
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Re: BREAKING: Hamas presents Israel with ceasefire
there will NEVER be a ceasefire, maybe for a short time, but hamas will only reload their weapons, they are living for destroying israel!

it's like taliban/al qaida making truce with the US!
 Quoting: Ger_reG


Israel is constantly building settlements on arab land. Israel is the evil thorn that is infecting the region.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28064029

Wrong. Gaza is Israels land. This goes way back to the time of Moses. islam is a relatively new cult. Israels land will only enlarge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28103348


So let me get this straight, if an Aborigine shows up on your doorstep saying that it is rightfully his property because his god divinely gave it to him and his family was driven away by your prisoner ancestors, are you obligated to give it to him. Or here in America, like an injun showing up and demanding we give them our property because the "great spirit" swore it to their injun ancestors 2000 years ago. No. Israel has no right to that land just because the United Nations stole it from Palestinians and gave it to them, because no UN member-nations wanted the Jews on their own soil. God gave Abraham that land for sure, then Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament and destroyed those wicked men and their false religion that killed Him in 70AD, and burned up their city. The "Jews" that are in Israel now are in no way, shape, or form "God's chosen people" unless they are Christians. Period.
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Can't we all just get along?
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Re: BREAKING: Hamas presents Israel with ceasefire
This is literally just in.

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With Egypt acting as an intermediary, Hamas has given Israel conditions for a cease-fire, a general in Egyptian intelligence has told CNN.
 Quoting: The Tauremini


we all know how long ceasefires last in the middle-east. about 2 minutes.
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Can't we all just get along?
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No kumbaya moments here dude.
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Re: BREAKING: Hamas presents Israel with ceasefire
This is literally just in.

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With Egypt acting as an intermediary, Hamas has given Israel conditions for a cease-fire, a general in Egyptian intelligence has told CNN.
 Quoting: The Tauremini



NOOOOOOO!!!! give us our dOOOM!!explosionexplosionexplosion
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Don't worry, and rest assured. Yours is coming. That's the one thing about living down here...is that you eventually DIE. So, when yours comes, I'm sure people will be cheering it on too. And maybe, you'll even get to see a crowd of people around you, staring at you as you're taking your last breaths. -Cheering you away...

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Yea, a ceasefire just until they get their hands on some more rockets...
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Can't we all just get along?
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No kumbaya moments here dude.
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What?

You like childrens arms and legs ripped from their tiny bodies?
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Re: BREAKING: Hamas presents Israel with ceasefire
So let me get this straight, if an Aborigine shows up on your doorstep saying that it is rightfully his property because his god divinely gave it to him and his family was driven away by your prisoner ancestors, are you obligated to give it to him. Or here in America, like an injun showing up and demanding we give them our property because the "great spirit" swore it to their injun ancestors 2000 years ago. No. Israel has no right to that land just because the United Nations stole it from Palestinians and gave it to them, because no UN member-nations wanted the Jews on their own soil. God gave Abraham that land for sure, then Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament and destroyed those wicked men and their false religion that killed Him in 70AD, and burned up their city. The "Jews" that are in Israel now are in no way, shape, or form "God's chosen people" unless they are Christians. Period.
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


Not exactly.

How many times did Israel turn away from God, and how many times did God desert them forever? The fact is, Israel's entire history is one of rebellion, dispersion, and restoration, because God promised unilaterally to preserve them forever. It isn't about how bad Israel is, but how faithful God is. And they must be back in their ancestral land, in unbelief, before the remaining prophecies can be fulfilled.

So it matters not how modern Israel was formed, or why, or by whom; God decreed their restoration, just as surely as he decreed their final judgments for their unbelief. One purpose of the coming Tribulation is to turn their hearts back to God, and it will happen.

No other country on earth has that Promise. And if, as you argue, we can't go around handing lands back to their "original" occupants, then why do you turn around and say Israel must do that very thing now? And why not demand that Jordan take the so-called Palestinians? Jordan turned them away and used them as political pawns.

And if you want to appropriate the blessings God originally gave to Israel, then take the curses as well. The modern church has many skeletons in its closet.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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Re: BREAKING: Hamas presents Israel with ceasefire
So let me get this straight, if an Aborigine shows up on your doorstep saying that it is rightfully his property because his god divinely gave it to him and his family was driven away by your prisoner ancestors, are you obligated to give it to him. Or here in America, like an injun showing up and demanding we give them our property because the "great spirit" swore it to their injun ancestors 2000 years ago. No. Israel has no right to that land just because the United Nations stole it from Palestinians and gave it to them, because no UN member-nations wanted the Jews on their own soil. God gave Abraham that land for sure, then Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament and destroyed those wicked men and their false religion that killed Him in 70AD, and burned up their city. The "Jews" that are in Israel now are in no way, shape, or form "God's chosen people" unless they are Christians. Period.
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


Not exactly.

How many times did Israel turn away from God, and how many times did God desert them forever? The fact is, Israel's entire history is one of rebellion, dispersion, and restoration, because God promised unilaterally to preserve them forever. It isn't about how bad Israel is, but how faithful God is. And they must be back in their ancestral land, in unbelief, before the remaining prophecies can be fulfilled.

So it matters not how modern Israel was formed, or why, or by whom; God decreed their restoration, just as surely as he decreed their final judgments for their unbelief. One purpose of the coming Tribulation is to turn their hearts back to God, and it will happen.

No other country on earth has that Promise. And if, as you argue, we can't go around handing lands back to their "original" occupants, then why do you turn around and say Israel must do that very thing now? And why not demand that Jordan take the so-called Palestinians? Jordan turned them away and used them as political pawns.

And if you want to appropriate the blessings God originally gave to Israel, then take the curses as well. The modern church has many skeletons in its closet.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


One of the main problems is that "modern churches" and unfortunately "modern Christianity" for that matter see the Church and Israel as separate. The truth is there is only ONE "chosen people of God" and they have always been, and will always be, the TRUE Israel of God composed of both Jews and Gentiles. There are many "Jews in name only" as well as "Christians in name only", but that doesn't change the fact that God knows who HIS people are, and as Jesus promised, He would never lose a single one that the Father gave to Him. It is not a "country" that was promised ANYTHING! It was the SEED OF ABRAHAM!!! NOT seeds as many, but singular: SEED. It was Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, God in the flesh, the chosen SEED, that all promises were fulfilled in. There is no "coming" tribulation. Matthew 24 was speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and the end of that false religious system. There is no "anti-Christ" (other than the spirit of anti-Christ that existed in John's day, and continues on to present day), there is no "rapture" Jesus said He would return ONCE at the LAST DAY at the LAST TRUMP, the 70 weeks prophecy was talking about JESUS, NOT ANTI-CHRIST and "modern Christianity" (I would say 90% of it) has stolen the 70th week from the LORD and given it to some future "anti-Christ" that is a figment of J.N. Darby's imagination. rant
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LOL, beat me to it.
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It's obvious you two have nothing of importance to add.
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It's obvious that you are so full of sh*t that your hair is brown.

knockout
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Even a blind man can see that the Palestinians are having everything stolen from them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28070910


First, how far back in history to you 'stop' to make your argument?

Second, prior to the United Nations re-establishing Israel as a Nation in 1948, the Palestinians were offered land AND the surrounding Arab countries were asked to take them in. Guess what, the Arab countries said "NO". Why?....hate for Israel made them shit on their own kind.

Arafat continued this hate in that everything that Israel offered this bastard turned down because he had a "all or nothing" attitude.

I'm not saying Israel has been innocent all the time, but before we make the Palestinians out to be the poor people abused only by the Israelis, there is a lot of blame to go around.





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