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I really want a Christian to answer this...not a troll thread.

 
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The Hebrews coming out of Egypt heard, saw, and recieved many things directly from God but still did not have the faith to trust that He would remove the giants and nephilim from the promised land when He told them to go there. To make matters worse they couldn't go 40 days alone without bringing heathen lesser gods (fallen angels) into the picture for worship. Sounds like a pretty sad state of affairs.

God wants to know if we have some backbone to stand with Him on His Word to stand up for what is righteous and true. Backbone gets the job done, and He strengthens those that have faith and seek truth in the little book being careful not to get caught up in the traditions of men.

There is some predestination going on the bible too. I won't touch more on that now, but know that God reserved the very worst and the very best souls for the end times. He is going to make everything right and will reward those that make a stand with Him on faith.
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Hey nice to see you bro on glp today!

Blessings to you!

I seconded your posting. Very good!
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We dont view it from an energetic point of view..we should

it was a spiritual abomination

absolutely terrible thing to do

that doesnt take away the positive spiritual effects for those that follow His teachings

but it affected the planetary energy in an absolutely terrible way
verysad

thats why all the natural phenomena happened when He gave up the last breath

because it was horrific..what was done to Him..

If He has been an ordinary person it would have been awful..

a man who preached love and peace and compassion..who helped the needy the sick the poor..etc..

BUT He was the Messiah

so it was an act against God and the Holy Spirit..

they crucified God on that cross..they nailed the Holy Spirit

It was a spiritual anathema

absolutely beyond description in words

and the effects are that the minimum connection was fragmented..and left to find and treasure to those that would search following the Truth of His teachings

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Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


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Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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You say that it is unfair that people got to see God's power manifest in the Old Testaments with their eyes as opposed to this current age.

But yet, how many people actually SAW God's power?
A prophet that travelled and God communicated through him or her.
It was still a limited few. You skew the perception because the BIBLE is written and mass produced across the world and many can NOW READ of that power that was manifest through the prophets of old. But how many people actually SAW God's power through these prophets?

They have heard of it I am sure, through word of mouth, but I doubt many people in the days of the prohpets actually also SAW or WITNESSED the power that the God displayed through these prophets.

==============================

Fast forward to NOW.
You say there is no power being manifested today?
But look around you.

God has revealed much knowledge to the world, for who is the SOURCE of all knowledge but God Himself?

We now have flying vehicles and cars that run on electricity/gas.
We now have computers that communicates through virtual space and energy that cannot be SEEN but people believe and witness it's existance yes?

We have cities that light up the world and can be seen from space.

And besides THIS, we have the signs of the end happening RIGHT NOW ALL ACROSS THE WORLD <- and YET people STILL DO NOT BELIEVE.

We have the CHURCH as a living BODY of Jesus Christ testifying to YOU and all unbelievers that Jesus Christ came and died for our sins and if we ask forgiveness of ours SINS, we will be forgiven and eternally saved.

We have miracles happening everyday to people IN THE CHURCH because the HOLY SPIRIT that moves in the BODY OF THE CHURCH changes LIVES everyday to follow Jesus Christ <- there are TESTIMONIES ABUNDANT THAT TESTIFIES TO THE MIRACLES OF TRANSFORMING POWER OF JESUS CHRIST IN A PERSON'S LIFE.

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You ask for sign and miracles to believe?
If that is the case, why don't you believe in the devil?
He provides many miracles and signs on his own?

What you do not get is that we believe in Jesus Christ because we BELIEVE IN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND THE LOVE HE REPRESENTS.

This is the TRUE FOCUS of the BELIEF IN JESUS CHRIST.
That HE makes us a NEW CREATION to be LIKE HIM, to seek after what is GOOD and RIGHTEOUS because we ourselves DESIRE to be like HIM in that way.

GOOD and RIGHTEOUS.

This is the true motivation of the BELIEVER.
Of one that has TRULY converted to follow HIM.

For no one can deceive the Lord, for the Lord sees your heart.

If you believe, the HOLY SPIRIT will come into your heart and dwell with you forever.

And I tell you assuredly that you shall indeed SEE and EXPERIENCE miracles and wonders that you have NEVER DREAMED POSSIBLE.

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But unbeliever, you must first believe and have FAITH.
For how can you strive for something without actually beliving in it first?

How can you SEE with your eyes shut?

In Jesus Christ!
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Where to begin? Not going to write a book. Not going to do any convincing. There is no proof. In order to live to it, you must die to it. In order to experience what it feels like, you must embrace the pain and avoid the pleasure. "To the Greek, it is foolishness, to the Jew it is a stumblingblock..."

"Where you are, I have been. Where I am, you will be."

I walked the road you are now walking. I also believed I was "the one" which would bring this "myth" of miraculous dealings to a fact-based understanding of "reality". Like every other who ever tried, I was broken upon the "rock". Greater and more thorough "athiests" than we could ever aspire to with our "logic", "science falsely so-called", and vain philosophies. In the last and greatest final analysis of the written word since history began, the Scriptures have proven themselves to be the most "reason-able", scientific genius beyond measure on the "reality" of the human condition and its true place in the scheme of things considered "divine".

If you truly ARE seeking a "truly Christian" answer, (or religious understanding at the very least), be very prepared for some very profound answers. That's a road only YOU can walk--and adapt to if THAT is what is necessary to (as the Scriptures say), "if at all possible, be at peace with all men."
The TRUTH is stranger than FICTION.
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Hey nice to see you bro on glp today!

Blessings to you!

I seconded your posting. Very good!
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Well look who the cat drug in today. I hadn't read any of the replies here, but now I see I'll have to check them out.

Blessings to you as well.
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Allegories and parables doth history make?
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The fundamental problem with your question is that you are asking Christians for real answers; and they (corporately), cannot give you real answers, for they have NO clue.....and no real answers....

The next question from "them" will be; ok, smartass, "do you"?

And the short answer, for today, is yes.....First, Jesus did not teach a "Doctrine of resurrection", he taught a Doctrine of "rebirth" (not reincarnation, don't confuse the two)..

Start here.....
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No, the fundamental problem is that he's asking Christians about their faith while also forbidding them to use their sacred text.

And what's funny is you declaring with authority what Jesus did or did not declare after telling Christians they have no clue.
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You both are wrong. If I were questioning the Christian faith I'd where Cains wife came from...or the city of Ur for that matter. I'd ask why in Genesis are there two seperate stories pertaining to the creation of the first man and who exactly Lilith is. I may also ask how it is that angels, who are neither man nor woman, can come and have children with humans.
Perhaps I would also ask why when Josephs lineage is traced in the gospels why theres generations of difference between them. Or maybe why if God knows and sees all, why was it necessary to kill every living thing on Earth....twice.
I dont ask those things because Im willing to believe them on faith alone. Alot of time has passed and things get confused or people lose parts of stories and add other parts in their place. Any number of things can explain much of the above, some things cant.

The question I asked was HOW do YOU as a Christian get beyond not having the same proof our ancestors had. PROOF of something does not lie within its own doctrine or book.
How personally have you overcome, what I see as, the biggest elephant in the room? Does it make sense to show so few some miracles when the many are dying for it? We want to have faith...as much as we want true love, but love is a two way street. How do you love someone that is emotionally unavailable and thwarts every attempt of yours to try?
If I were chasing some girl I was in love with and she ignored my phone calls, said she would not show that SHE love ME, and told me to just take her word for it, I wouldnt be chasing her for long.

Free will aside, God knows we think this way. To make matters worse, he even says those of us living in the end times are screwed cuz the Devil runs shit. I cant see how in any realm, spiritual or physical, where that makes any sense is all.
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The fundamental problem with your question is that you are asking Christians for real answers; and they (corporately), cannot give you real answers, for they have NO clue.....and no real answers....

The next question from "them" will be; ok, smartass, "do you"?

And the short answer, for today, is yes.....First, Jesus did not teach a "Doctrine of resurrection", he taught a Doctrine of "rebirth" (not reincarnation, don't confuse the two)..

Start here.....
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No, the fundamental problem is that he's asking Christians about their faith while also forbidding them to use their sacred text.

And what's funny is you declaring with authority what Jesus did or did not declare after telling Christians they have no clue.
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You both are wrong. If I were questioning the Christian faith I'd where Cains wife came from...or the city of Ur for that matter. I'd ask why in Genesis are there two seperate stories pertaining to the creation of the first man and who exactly Lilith is. I may also ask how it is that angels, who are neither man nor woman, can come and have children with humans.
Perhaps I would also ask why when Josephs lineage is traced in the gospels why theres generations of difference between them. Or maybe why if God knows and sees all, why was it necessary to kill every living thing on Earth....twice.
I dont ask those things because Im willing to believe them on faith alone. Alot of time has passed and things get confused or people lose parts of stories and add other parts in their place. Any number of things can explain much of the above, some things cant.

The question I asked was HOW do YOU as a Christian get beyond not having the same proof our ancestors had. PROOF of something does not lie within its own doctrine or book.
How personally have you overcome, what I see as, the biggest elephant in the room? Does it make sense to show so few some miracles when the many are dying for it? We want to have faith...as much as we want true love, but love is a two way street. How do you love someone that is emotionally unavailable and thwarts every attempt of yours to try?
If I were chasing some girl I was in love with and she ignored my phone calls, said she would not show that SHE love ME, and told me to just take her word for it, I wouldnt be chasing her for long.

Free will aside, God knows we think this way. To make matters worse, he even says those of us living in the end times are screwed cuz the Devil runs shit. I cant see how in any realm, spiritual or physical, where that makes any sense is all.
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There is no mention of this character "Lilith" in Genesis.

What Bible have you been reading?
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Re: I really want a Christian to answer this...not a troll thread.
The fundamental problem with your question is that you are asking Christians for real answers; and they (corporately), cannot give you real answers, for they have NO clue.....and no real answers....

The next question from "them" will be; ok, smartass, "do you"?

And the short answer, for today, is yes.....First, Jesus did not teach a "Doctrine of resurrection", he taught a Doctrine of "rebirth" (not reincarnation, don't confuse the two)..

Start here.....
 Quoting: christopherM


No, the fundamental problem is that he's asking Christians about their faith while also forbidding them to use their sacred text.

And what's funny is you declaring with authority what Jesus did or did not declare after telling Christians they have no clue.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode




You both are wrong. If I were questioning the Christian faith I'd where Cains wife came from...or the city of Ur for that matter. I'd ask why in Genesis are there two seperate stories pertaining to the creation of the first man and who exactly Lilith is. I may also ask how it is that angels, who are neither man nor woman, can come and have children with humans.
Perhaps I would also ask why when Josephs lineage is traced in the gospels why theres generations of difference between them. Or maybe why if God knows and sees all, why was it necessary to kill every living thing on Earth....twice.
I dont ask those things because Im willing to believe them on faith alone. Alot of time has passed and things get confused or people lose parts of stories and add other parts in their place. Any number of things can explain much of the above, some things cant.

The question I asked was HOW do YOU as a Christian get beyond not having the same proof our ancestors had. PROOF of something does not lie within its own doctrine or book.
How personally have you overcome, what I see as, the biggest elephant in the room? Does it make sense to show so few some miracles when the many are dying for it? We want to have faith...as much as we want true love, but love is a two way street. How do you love someone that is emotionally unavailable and thwarts every attempt of yours to try?
If I were chasing some girl I was in love with and she ignored my phone calls, said she would not show that SHE love ME, and told me to just take her word for it, I wouldnt be chasing her for long.

Free will aside, God knows we think this way. To make matters worse, he even says those of us living in the end times are screwed cuz the Devil runs shit. I cant see how in any realm, spiritual or physical, where that makes any sense is all.
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There is no mention of this character "Lilith" in Genesis.

What Bible have you been reading?
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I'm also scratching my head as to where you are making these assertions from about the Bible and the supposed "inconsistencies"?

You regurgitate those people on this board who had no clue what the Bible says or talks about as if you took their words over reading the Bible for yourself.

Perhaps you should actually READ IT?
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The fundamental problem with your question is that you are asking Christians for real answers; and they (corporately), cannot give you real answers, for they have NO clue.....and no real answers....

The next question from "them" will be; ok, smartass, "do you"?

And the short answer, for today, is yes.....First, Jesus did not teach a "Doctrine of resurrection", he taught a Doctrine of "rebirth" (not reincarnation, don't confuse the two)..

Start here.....
 Quoting: christopherM


No, the fundamental problem is that he's asking Christians about their faith while also forbidding them to use their sacred text.

And what's funny is you declaring with authority what Jesus did or did not declare after telling Christians they have no clue.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode




You both are wrong. If I were questioning the Christian faith I'd where Cains wife came from...or the city of Ur for that matter. I'd ask why in Genesis are there two seperate stories pertaining to the creation of the first man and who exactly Lilith is. I may also ask how it is that angels, who are neither man nor woman, can come and have children with humans.
Perhaps I would also ask why when Josephs lineage is traced in the gospels why theres generations of difference between them. Or maybe why if God knows and sees all, why was it necessary to kill every living thing on Earth....twice.
I dont ask those things because Im willing to believe them on faith alone. Alot of time has passed and things get confused or people lose parts of stories and add other parts in their place. Any number of things can explain much of the above, some things cant.

The question I asked was HOW do YOU as a Christian get beyond not having the same proof our ancestors had. PROOF of something does not lie within its own doctrine or book.
How personally have you overcome, what I see as, the biggest elephant in the room? Does it make sense to show so few some miracles when the many are dying for it? We want to have faith...as much as we want true love, but love is a two way street. How do you love someone that is emotionally unavailable and thwarts every attempt of yours to try?
If I were chasing some girl I was in love with and she ignored my phone calls, said she would not show that SHE love ME, and told me to just take her word for it, I wouldnt be chasing her for long.

Free will aside, God knows we think this way. To make matters worse, he even says those of us living in the end times are screwed cuz the Devil runs shit. I cant see how in any realm, spiritual or physical, where that makes any sense is all.
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I think what some are trying to tell you is maybe your eyes are shut to the signs you are given. There ARE miracles happening EVERYDAY. No matter the size, they are miracles nonetheless. No one can prove anything, you have to feel it and the only way to feel it is open your eyes, your mind, your heart and soul and allow him to show you. It will be on His time, not yours, may be today, tomorrow, next year or next decade but he WILL reveal himself in a way that is inexplicable, in a way that if you were to tell someone in the position you are today they'd never believe you, in a way that will make you say AHA! There you are.
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You both are wrong. If I were questioning the Christian faith I'd where Cains wife came from...or the city of Ur for that matter. I'd ask why in Genesis are there two seperate stories pertaining to the creation of the first man and who exactly Lilith is. I may also ask how it is that angels, who are neither man nor woman, can come and have children with humans.
Perhaps I would also ask why when Josephs lineage is traced in the gospels why theres generations of difference between them. Or maybe why if God knows and sees all, why was it necessary to kill every living thing on Earth....twice.
I dont ask those things because Im willing to believe them on faith alone. Alot of time has passed and things get confused or people lose parts of stories and add other parts in their place. Any number of things can explain much of the above, some things cant.

The question I asked was HOW do YOU as a Christian get beyond not having the same proof our ancestors had. PROOF of something does not lie within its own doctrine or book.
How personally have you overcome, what I see as, the biggest elephant in the room? Does it make sense to show so few some miracles when the many are dying for it? We want to have faith...as much as we want true love, but love is a two way street. How do you love someone that is emotionally unavailable and thwarts every attempt of yours to try?
If I were chasing some girl I was in love with and she ignored my phone calls, said she would not show that SHE love ME, and told me to just take her word for it, I wouldnt be chasing her for long.

Free will aside, God knows we think this way. To make matters worse, he even says those of us living in the end times are screwed cuz the Devil runs shit. I cant see how in any realm, spiritual or physical, where that makes any sense is all.
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For some of your presumed-unanswerable questions: Thread: A Bird's-eye View of History According to the Bible

I already told you that Jesus rising from the dead as predicted was the last thing God was going to do. As Paul told the Greeks on Mars Hill, God overlooked ignorance about who He was in the past, but now that Jesus has come, there are no more excuses. Jesus himself said this in his parable of the vineyard: the owner went away for a long time and periodically sent emissaries to check on how the tenants were running things. But they abused the emissaries, so the owner finally sent his own son-- whom they murdered. That was the last straw.

Has it not been God who is the jilted suitor, who only asks us to trust him, who died for us before we even existed? We are the ones ignoring and refusing to answer. Has he not already shown his great love for us? And what is he asking from us, but to accept his offer of reconciliation? YOU are the girl in this story.

Our faith is in a Person, and that faith is based upon observed facts in history. That's the difference between a reasoned faith and a blind faith. You yourself have faith in many people and things you've never seen personally, yet because of other people/things you have seen personally you base your faith upon something real. Think about it.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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No, the fundamental problem is that he's asking Christians about their faith while also forbidding them to use their sacred text.

And what's funny is you declaring with authority what Jesus did or did not declare after telling Christians they have no clue.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode




You both are wrong. If I were questioning the Christian faith I'd where Cains wife came from...or the city of Ur for that matter. I'd ask why in Genesis are there two seperate stories pertaining to the creation of the first man and who exactly Lilith is. I may also ask how it is that angels, who are neither man nor woman, can come and have children with humans.
Perhaps I would also ask why when Josephs lineage is traced in the gospels why theres generations of difference between them. Or maybe why if God knows and sees all, why was it necessary to kill every living thing on Earth....twice.
I dont ask those things because Im willing to believe them on faith alone. Alot of time has passed and things get confused or people lose parts of stories and add other parts in their place. Any number of things can explain much of the above, some things cant.

The question I asked was HOW do YOU as a Christian get beyond not having the same proof our ancestors had. PROOF of something does not lie within its own doctrine or book.
How personally have you overcome, what I see as, the biggest elephant in the room? Does it make sense to show so few some miracles when the many are dying for it? We want to have faith...as much as we want true love, but love is a two way street. How do you love someone that is emotionally unavailable and thwarts every attempt of yours to try?
If I were chasing some girl I was in love with and she ignored my phone calls, said she would not show that SHE love ME, and told me to just take her word for it, I wouldnt be chasing her for long.

Free will aside, God knows we think this way. To make matters worse, he even says those of us living in the end times are screwed cuz the Devil runs shit. I cant see how in any realm, spiritual or physical, where that makes any sense is all.
 Quoting: Iamtheone


There is no mention of this character "Lilith" in Genesis.

What Bible have you been reading?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1159544


I'm also scratching my head as to where you are making these assertions from about the Bible and the supposed "inconsistencies"?

You regurgitate those people on this board who had no clue what the Bible says or talks about as if you took their words over reading the Bible for yourself.

Perhaps you should actually READ IT?
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I never said Lilith was mentioned in Genesis. Which post are you reading lol. Listen, you know damned well who Lilith is, quit being smarmy.
In fact, you can find her in Isaiah 34:14.
You can find her all over the dead sea scrolls. The book of Moses mentions her over 10 times.
I might also direct you to the Alphabet of Ben Sira where it states Lilith was the first wife of Adam. You know...the one that was made from dirt and Adam rejected??? The same exact story in Genesis you tool shed. When Adam rejects her...as it SAYS in Genesis, God then makes him Eve...from his rib.

Are you serious? You dont know these things when your own Bible states them? Who was Adams first wife then if not Lilith? Does the name even matter anyway? Because Genesis doesnt say specifically her name was Lilith means squat...
Furthermore, as I dont know everything about everything, dont think for a second I dont know about the Bible or what its teachings are. Thats one thing I do know.
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OP, I don't define myself as "christian" so you may wish to ignore this post.... or you may not :)

Have you considered that perhaps the prophecies, miracles, signs, etc., etc., didn't happen quite the way the good book says they did? And if they did, even in part, is there a chance that the parties to and the great deeds done were misrepresented in some (or many) ways?

Sure, the OT tells a tale(s) that reaches back seemingly to the 'beginning', but, those books were not written until after many civilizations had already gone before - civilizations that told their OWN same (and older) stories of prophecies, miracles, gods and goddesses, etc., etc. (i) ... everything that was thought to be unique to the Old Testament was, in fact, derived from Babylon (Ref: Delitzsch 1901–2)" (/i)

And how about those camels!!

In Genesis 12:16 Abram is rewarded by the Pharaoh of Egypt for giving the Pharaoh his “sister,” who was actually Abram’s wife/half-sister. For this gift, the Pharaoh rewarded Abram with sheep, asses, slaves, and a camel. However, camels were not domesticated until after 1000 BC and this story is traditionally said to have taken place before 2000 BC The author of this tale was living in a time when camels were domesticated, which according to both archeological evidence and the scholarly consensus amongst archeologists, couldn’t have been before the 1st millennium B.C.E (1000 B.C.E~1BC), yet there are tales of domesticated camels throughout the narrative - a tell-tale sign of much later authorship. (Ref: The secrets of the Exodus: The Egyptian roots of the Hebrew People - Allworth Press 2004)

Chaldea - Who was born there?

Abraham's birthplace, per Genesis, was Ur in Chaldea. "The Hebrew word "Kasdim" (English Chaldee) was not used to describe ancient Babylonia until circa 600 BC, before which, it was known as Sumeria. This story was 'made' compatible with perhaps 5th century Babylon. (Ref: The Quest for the Historical Israel: Debating Archeology and the History of Early Israel. Brill (2007).

Or how about Edomite sites?

Per excavations by Crystal-M. Bennett, and from renowned archeologist and Professor of Archeology at Tel Aviv University - Edom does not appear to have existed before the eighth century B.C., which raises serious questions about the historical accuracy of the Edomite king lists in the bible (Gen. 36:33; 1 Chron. 1:44). (Ref - Harper Collins Bible Dictionary)


The authors of the Hebrew Scriptures had ample opportunity (exilic or post exilic period) to copy and re-script the mythologies of the ancient Babylonians to suit their own social and theological needs. (Ref: Gary Greenberg - How Ancient Scribes Invented Biblical History. Sourcebooks Inc. (2000)


My point is.... what really happened in our ancient past? Is the Bible story the ONLY story? No. The Sumerians, the Akkadians, the Babylonians, the Egyptians -- they ALL have stories that predate the Bible, and those stories tell a very different tale about the parties to and the great deeds done.

Christianity is a religion of faith - until you delve into the history books and find out where the stories came from, then it just becomes a misrepresentation of earlier stories. When you know a thing, faith is not required. It's when you don't know a thing that faith is crucial in maintaining that belief.

OP, I doubt you will find faith in the faith of others - which is putting your faith into an unknowing belief of someone else, and that is purely perspective.

The question came from within you, maybe have faith that the answer also lies within you.

Sorry for the long post!

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Anyway, Im not here to argue symantics of names and crap. I said Im able to get beyond those on faith anyway. Seems typical of Christians to dance around a subject and turn it into something bad. Im not baggin on your religion! I want to follow it, I do, but I cannot get over this stumbling block. I dont understand why a loving God would forsake his children when we need and want him the most.
If all a child knows iss violence and evil, that child will grow up being violent and evil. The purpose of a parent is to guide by actions, not just words. If parenting was just about giving your kid a manual and telling them to follow it, life would be much easier no? Obviously thats not the way the real world works.

As a parent, I feel God gets what He puts in. By telling us children He is effectively abandoning us in the end, how can He not expect the same in kind? Did Jesus not teach treat others as youd treat yourself?

Seems that only applies to us children. Much like do as I say not as I do. We all know how that works.
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good question op,

although i'm glad you asked them, i really don't think christians have a good answer for you.

for myself, i continue to ask, but no longer with so much anger.

your questions are valid.

good luck in your search for answers.

respectfully.

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Anyway, Im not here to argue symantics of names and crap. I said Im able to get beyond those on faith anyway. Seems typical of Christians to dance around a subject and turn it into something bad. Im not baggin on your religion! I want to follow it, I do, but I cannot get over this stumbling block. I dont understand why a loving God would forsake his children when we need and want him the most.
If all a child knows iss violence and evil, that child will grow up being violent and evil. The purpose of a parent is to guide by actions, not just words. If parenting was just about giving your kid a manual and telling them to follow it, life would be much easier no? Obviously thats not the way the real world works.

As a parent, I feel God gets what He puts in. By telling us children He is effectively abandoning us in the end, how can He not expect the same in kind? Did Jesus not teach treat others as youd treat yourself?

Seems that only applies to us children. Much like do as I say not as I do. We all know how that works.
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Why do you keep ignoring those of us who have addressed your central complaint? It is not God who has forsaken us, it is humanity that has forsaken him. Jesus came to earth and said "OK, so you wanted to see me, here I AM." And he laid down his life and then took it up again. He also saw to it that everything we needed to know was written down.

But that isn't good enough for you.

Those who seek him on his terms know he is here in spirit, and will soon return in person. But as Jesus said, Who will be able to endure it when he does return?

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You both are wrong. If I were questioning the Christian faith I'd where Cains wife came from...or the city of Ur for that matter. I'd ask why in Genesis are there two seperate stories pertaining to the creation of the first man and who exactly Lilith is. I may also ask how it is that angels, who are neither man nor woman, can come and have children with humans.
Perhaps I would also ask why when Josephs lineage is traced in the gospels why theres generations of difference between them. Or maybe why if God knows and sees all, why was it necessary to kill every living thing on Earth....twice.
I dont ask those things because Im willing to believe them on faith alone. Alot of time has passed and things get confused or people lose parts of stories and add other parts in their place. Any number of things can explain much of the above, some things cant.

The question I asked was HOW do YOU as a Christian get beyond not having the same proof our ancestors had. PROOF of something does not lie within its own doctrine or book.
How personally have you overcome, what I see as, the biggest elephant in the room? Does it make sense to show so few some miracles when the many are dying for it? We want to have faith...as much as we want true love, but love is a two way street. How do you love someone that is emotionally unavailable and thwarts every attempt of yours to try?
If I were chasing some girl I was in love with and she ignored my phone calls, said she would not show that SHE love ME, and told me to just take her word for it, I wouldnt be chasing her for long.

Free will aside, God knows we think this way. To make matters worse, he even says those of us living in the end times are screwed cuz the Devil runs shit. I cant see how in any realm, spiritual or physical, where that makes any sense is all.
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There is no mention of this character "Lilith" in Genesis.

What Bible have you been reading?
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I'm also scratching my head as to where you are making these assertions from about the Bible and the supposed "inconsistencies"?

You regurgitate those people on this board who had no clue what the Bible says or talks about as if you took their words over reading the Bible for yourself.

Perhaps you should actually READ IT?
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I never said Lilith was mentioned in Genesis. Which post are you reading lol. Listen, you know damned well who Lilith is, quit being smarmy.
In fact, you can find her in Isaiah 34:14.
You can find her all over the dead sea scrolls. The book of Moses mentions her over 10 times.
I might also direct you to the Alphabet of Ben Sira where it states Lilith was the first wife of Adam. You know...the one that was made from dirt and Adam rejected??? The same exact story in Genesis you tool shed. When Adam rejects her...as it SAYS in Genesis, God then makes him Eve...from his rib.

Are you serious? You dont know these things when your own Bible states them? Who was Adams first wife then if not Lilith? Does the name even matter anyway? Because Genesis doesnt say specifically her name was Lilith means squat...
Furthermore, as I dont know everything about everything, dont think for a second I dont know about the Bible or what its teachings are. Thats one thing I do know.
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What year is your so called dead sea scrolls written in?
I can answer all your questions easily. But it would still not make you believe that miracles are happening today.

You say that the bible says that God takes the rib from Adam. Correct. But the originals say's God took the "curve" of Adam. What is the curve? It is the DNA.
Your Lilith story is written many years AFTER the originals and written by KENITES to deceive.
And your statement of Isaiah 34:14 is not true and is NOT even in any versions of the King James bible.

As a matter of fact it is quite interesting that you picked Isaiah 34 which talks about Satan's hidden stones, those Kenites, the seed of Satan.
Looks like to me you have watched one to many History channel on TV. lol
I can answer you question about Cain and the land where he went too and how he got his wife. Simply is this. You have listened to the "traditions of mens teachings" from the churchies and you think that is the truth and that is what you base your comments off of.
You talk as if you can read the dead sea scrolls and by what you have written it reveals that you can't.
You are parroting what you heard, not from some serious studies.

I am sure you can blast everyone that does not fall for your Kenite ways.

By the way, the first MAN is not Eth Ha Adam which you think is the Adam in the book of Gen. All races were created on the 6th day. It is the churches that teaches that the bible repeats the 6th day creation of all races and they try to place them in the 8th day creation of God that is "Eth Ha Adam".

And NO all races did not come from Eth Ha Adam and the originals dead sea scrolls which I know you can't read, or other wise you would of had your answers given before you even posted what you have said to us all today.


Lilith, ha ha ha.
Some of us have done our homework and have NOT put their trust in some mans church system. But you have and now you want to bounce around those teachings and claim to be some so called in the know scholar or have it all figured out.

You can play with many on here on glp, but there are some true real scholars that do show up from time to time.

You sir, are deceived by pride and don't even know it. And I am not trying to insult you, but you know in your heart you can't read any dead sea scroll no matter what one you think you are talking about.

Hey, for what it is worth, PEACE.

I am sure there will be no peace from you because of how I have seen you responded to others. You are not seeking truth, you are seeking to blast Christians. So who hurt you so much in your life that you have this blasting attitude about you?
Eth Ha Adam is "The man, The blood line of which Christ came through all the way to Virgin Mary. Virgin Mary was not just a flesh woman virgin, but is from a pure blood line, unlike what the Naphal angels had done in what you read in Gen. chapter 6. Second influx of the fallen angels is written in Gen. chapter 14:5 which the name of the offspring children of "Rapha" is named there. You would of seen that if you really knew how to read the dead sea scrolls. Plus you would of know that the Rephaims in Asheroth were a branch of Nephilim like Anakim after Anak.
Gen. 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that when the SONS OF GOD (angels Naphal angels) came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same become mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Those angels kept coming down over and over to try and destroy the blood line of Christ.
Plus your statement on Josheph was laughable. You do not know the direct seed line of Christ, do you. So there is no confusion, only on your part is there confusion.
The blood line of Christ is NOT Josheph.
You were not serious about your thread. You wanted to blast Christians is all. Then you say, I really want to know.
And here is where you are pulling your thoughts from.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
And they are completely wrong about this subject.
ISHTAR is your Lilith!


So have a nice day and a nice trip.

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You both are wrong. If I were questioning the Christian faith I'd where Cains wife came from...or the city of Ur for that matter. I'd ask why in Genesis are there two seperate stories pertaining to the creation of the first man and who exactly Lilith is. I may also ask how it is that angels, who are neither man nor woman, can come and have children with humans.
Perhaps I would also ask why when Josephs lineage is traced in the gospels why theres generations of difference between them. Or maybe why if God knows and sees all, why was it necessary to kill every living thing on Earth....twice.
I dont ask those things because Im willing to believe them on faith alone. Alot of time has passed and things get confused or people lose parts of stories and add other parts in their place. Any number of things can explain much of the above, some things cant.

The question I asked was HOW do YOU as a Christian get beyond not having the same proof our ancestors had. PROOF of something does not lie within its own doctrine or book.
How personally have you overcome, what I see as, the biggest elephant in the room? Does it make sense to show so few some miracles when the many are dying for it? We want to have faith...as much as we want true love, but love is a two way street. How do you love someone that is emotionally unavailable and thwarts every attempt of yours to try?
If I were chasing some girl I was in love with and she ignored my phone calls, said she would not show that SHE love ME, and told me to just take her word for it, I wouldnt be chasing her for long.

Free will aside, God knows we think this way. To make matters worse, he even says those of us living in the end times are screwed cuz the Devil runs shit. I cant see how in any realm, spiritual or physical, where that makes any sense is all.
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There is no mention of this character "Lilith" in Genesis.

What Bible have you been reading?
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I'm also scratching my head as to where you are making these assertions from about the Bible and the supposed "inconsistencies"?

You regurgitate those people on this board who had no clue what the Bible says or talks about as if you took their words over reading the Bible for yourself.

Perhaps you should actually READ IT?
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I never said Lilith was mentioned in Genesis. Which post are you reading lol. Listen, you know damned well who Lilith is, quit being smarmy.
In fact, you can find her in Isaiah 34:14.
You can find her all over the dead sea scrolls. The book of Moses mentions her over 10 times.
I might also direct you to the Alphabet of Ben Sira where it states Lilith was the first wife of Adam. You know...the one that was made from dirt and Adam rejected??? The same exact story in Genesis you tool shed. When Adam rejects her...as it SAYS in Genesis, God then makes him Eve...from his rib.

Are you serious? You dont know these things when your own Bible states them? Who was Adams first wife then if not Lilith? Does the name even matter anyway? Because Genesis doesnt say specifically her name was Lilith means squat...
Furthermore, as I dont know everything about everything, dont think for a second I dont know about the Bible or what its teachings are. Thats one thing I do know.
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there is only one place in the Bible "Lilith" is mentioned.
That is as an unclean spirit in the wilderness. I believe this was in the book of Isaiah, as you mentioned and not all Bible translates that specific name as "Lilith" which makes it really unimportant.

The books you mentioned are not the Bible.
If you want to look for God in references that are NOT scriptural, then you will not find Him and it is no wonder you struggle with the Truth.

Read the BIBLE.
Trust in Jesus Christ.

Faith comes from the heart.

In Jesus Christ.
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OP, I don't define myself as "christian" so you may wish to ignore this post.... or you may not :)

Have you considered that perhaps the prophecies, miracles, signs, etc., etc., didn't happen quite the way the good book says they did? And if they did, even in part, is there a chance that the parties to and the great deeds done were misrepresented in some (or many) ways?

Sure, the OT tells a tale(s) that reaches back seemingly to the 'beginning', but, those books were not written until after many civilizations had already gone before - civilizations that told their OWN same (and older) stories of prophecies, miracles, gods and goddesses, etc., etc. (i) ... everything that was thought to be unique to the Old Testament was, in fact, derived from Babylon (Ref: Delitzsch 1901–2)" (/i)

And how about those camels!!

In Genesis 12:16 Abram is rewarded by the Pharaoh of Egypt for giving the Pharaoh his “sister,” who was actually Abram’s wife/half-sister. For this gift, the Pharaoh rewarded Abram with sheep, asses, slaves, and a camel. However, camels were not domesticated until after 1000 BC and this story is traditionally said to have taken place before 2000 BC The author of this tale was living in a time when camels were domesticated, which according to both archeological evidence and the scholarly consensus amongst archeologists, couldn’t have been before the 1st millennium B.C.E (1000 B.C.E~1BC), yet there are tales of domesticated camels throughout the narrative - a tell-tale sign of much later authorship. (Ref: The secrets of the Exodus: The Egyptian roots of the Hebrew People - Allworth Press 2004)

Chaldea - Who was born there?

Abraham's birthplace, per Genesis, was Ur in Chaldea. "The Hebrew word "Kasdim" (English Chaldee) was not used to describe ancient Babylonia until circa 600 BC, before which, it was known as Sumeria. This story was 'made' compatible with perhaps 5th century Babylon. (Ref: The Quest for the Historical Israel: Debating Archeology and the History of Early Israel. Brill (2007).

Or how about Edomite sites?

Per excavations by Crystal-M. Bennett, and from renowned archeologist and Professor of Archeology at Tel Aviv University - Edom does not appear to have existed before the eighth century B.C., which raises serious questions about the historical accuracy of the Edomite king lists in the bible (Gen. 36:33; 1 Chron. 1:44). (Ref - Harper Collins Bible Dictionary)


The authors of the Hebrew Scriptures had ample opportunity (exilic or post exilic period) to copy and re-script the mythologies of the ancient Babylonians to suit their own social and theological needs. (Ref: Gary Greenberg - How Ancient Scribes Invented Biblical History. Sourcebooks Inc. (2000)


My point is.... what really happened in our ancient past? Is the Bible story the ONLY story? No. The Sumerians, the Akkadians, the Babylonians, the Egyptians -- they ALL have stories that predate the Bible, and those stories tell a very different tale about the parties to and the great deeds done.

Christianity is a religion of faith - until you delve into the history books and find out where the stories came from, then it just becomes a misrepresentation of earlier stories. When you know a thing, faith is not required. It's when you don't know a thing that faith is crucial in maintaining that belief.

OP, I doubt you will find faith in the faith of others - which is putting your faith into an unknowing belief of someone else, and that is purely perspective.

The question came from within you, maybe have faith that the answer also lies within you.

Sorry for the long post!

Kismet
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Very nice and well thought out post. While I am aware of Sumeria, Babylon, and old religions which have stories that predate those in the Bible, Im not here to argue age old questions that noone can ever difinitively prove or disprove.

For all I know, carbon dating and perhaps the achaeologists themselves are the Devil. Who the crap knows. Fact is...I have this urgent desire to believe in something, and yet, theres nothing to believe in besides some folklore thats been handed down, translated numerous times, and has had parts taken out or added by mortal men.

Guess theres really no way to ever know for sure. I guess I had hoped for someone to give me an epiphany or something about how they overcame this subject. Or perhaps a pm from God, who knows.
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Guess theres really no way to ever know for sure. I guess I had hoped for someone to give me an epiphany or something about how they overcame this subject. Or perhaps a pm from God, who knows.
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Dude... Jesus rose from the dead. That's a major message. Please stop asking this if you're going to keep ignoring the answer.

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You "don't really believe in anthing..."

But you believe the Christian narrative presents something "Unfair."

To what do you appeal as your objective source of Justice for which you are able to know "Fair" from "Unfair."

Apart from any God or Transcendent Reality, what would it matter, anyway?
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Again, you cannot imply truths coming from the same book thats in question....that makes no sense.

Jesus also had FAR more than a mere few hundred followers as well. Perhaps you forgot how he fed THOUSANDS of people with a fish and a loaf of bread. Perhaps you have forgotten that he travelled from town to town doing miracles. Dunno about you, but if a dude came to my town and healed someones blindness, the whole town would immediately follow that person. Jesus did this numerous times with plenty of witnesses. If my blindness is healed, im tellin everyone about the guy that did it and it would cement my faith.

The question is simple and yet the answers offer no insight. Why are there no miracles now to allow US to cement OUR faith. Not one anywhere. Not any for two thousand years.

It seems like a loving God would want to help his flock when they need it most, not when they didnt. Again...hardly fair by any estimation.
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This isn't true at all. People would try to rationalize what they saw no matter how great the miracle. It happens all the time.

If Jesus came to Chicago and healed someone's blindness, only those who really knew the blind person would follow. Most that heard about the miracle would say that the person was never blind in the first place. Most people in the city would never even hear about the miracle at all. Miracles like this do still happen. I can't prove it to you, because if your mind doesn't want you to believe, then you will rationalize it somehow.

It was probably easier to KNOW that something was a miracle back in biblical times because we didn't have such things as medicine and technology to mimic such things.
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OP, I doubt you will find faith in the faith of others - which is putting your faith into an unknowing belief of someone else, and that is purely perspective.

The question came from within you, maybe have faith that the answer also lies within you.

Sorry for the long post!

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Very nice and well thought out post. While I am aware of Sumeria, Babylon, and old religions which have stories that predate those in the Bible, Im not here to argue age old questions that noone can ever difinitively prove or disprove.

For all I know, carbon dating and perhaps the achaeologists themselves are the Devil. Who the crap knows. Fact is...I have this urgent desire to believe in something, and yet, theres nothing to believe in besides some folklore thats been handed down, translated numerous times, and has had parts taken out or added by mortal men.

Guess theres really no way to ever know for sure. I guess I had hoped for someone to give me an epiphany or something about how they overcame this subject. Or perhaps a pm from God, who knows.
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OP, I understand, truly I do.
I feel I've been where you are. Over the past years, I've undergone a number of paradigm shifts - some were small, some were HUGE and nearly knocked me off kilter.

I had so many questions, for years, that no one could answer - until I finally decided to try to find the answers myself. I began studying... hard - and that's when paradigm one fell - when I realized so much of stuff I'd been taught was just not true (historically and otherwise, speaking).

The idea of "God" is represented differently throughout history and in every civilization. Did just one got it right and all the rest were wrong? Talk about unfairness and arrogance!

IMO, if you believe you are eternal spirit created from eternal spirit, then the rest is just gravy (and misrepresentation, mistranslation, interpolation, copying, editing, and a lot of lies!)

God is within.... and so are the answers :)

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Omg.

I didnt read the huge reply of word vomit the above poster just regurgitated from the exact book Im questioning.

By your logic, shall I instead follow Edward Cayce because he predicted a few things? Perhaps i should follow Nostradamus because he predicted a thing or two?

Listen, I appreciate your enthusiasm and faith dude, but anyone can give vague predictions about future wars and such. Given enough time passing, most will come true. Its war. Its always gonna be there.

Besides, youre skirting the issue of the thread as a whole. How do YOU get beyond God seemingly abandoning you when you need Him most?

Take me. Im on the fence, as are billions of others...searching for something bigger to believe in. One miracle is all it would take to get peeps in line, just one. That seems like a small price to ask of a God who puts us here in the hopes we find Him before the Devil finds us. A seemingly unfair proposition since the Devil is working overtime and God seems on a rather long vacation.

Kinda redundant in my opinion.
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Hi OP.

Miracles tend to be more of a personal thing these days.

They usually result from COURAGE and FAITH.

YOU have both.

I can see you are no coward..you are standing in front of GOD himself..saying "DAD..I NEED A HUG DAMMIT..WHERE ARE YOU?"

And you have enough FAITH to know he is there in the FIRST place to DEMAND he do something.

THIS TAKES GUTS..and you are NO FOOL..you are STRONG..because ONLY a strong and THINKING person could do this.

I did this too...I GOT my answer.

GOD HONOURS COURAGE!

What you are asking for will soon be evident..

FIRT to you..deep inside..HE is going to blow your mind.

THEN..externally...LOOK UP..see those big balls of hydrogen burning all over the universe called stars?

WATCH THEM..because VERY shortly he is going to do something UNMISTAKABLE with them..and there wont be a SINGLE ATHIEST LEFT on this planet.

Only a choice will remain..to follow..or NOT.
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"Theres only a few examples out of many more I could write. My problem is WHERE ARE OUR Moses', Josephs, JESUS', burning bushes, big booming voices from the sky, healers of the blind, any true MIRACLES at all???"


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The Jews saw the miracles firsthand.........but were shortly thereafter doing things in rebellion against God......turning away from Him....... and on many occasions.

God therefore referred to them as a "stiff-necked" people.


Seeing miracles will not end a person's rebellious nature........and that is why Christ Himself would not do miracles on demand when the Pharisees asked for them. He knew that they would only be in awe for awhile......and then attribute the miracles to the work of satan......or explain them away in some other manner. He certainly also knew that they would not turn away from their sin......and follow Him.


That is why God make salvation a matter of faith......believing in Him without seeing Him (or His miracles)......and as such making connection with Him through the Holy Spirit.
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...................... shortened :)


OP, I doubt you will find faith in the faith of others - which is putting your faith into an unknowing belief of someone else, and that is purely perspective.

The question came from within you, maybe have faith that the answer also lies within you.

Sorry for the long post!

Kismet
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Very nice and well thought out post. While I am aware of Sumeria, Babylon, and old religions which have stories that predate those in the Bible, Im not here to argue age old questions that noone can ever difinitively prove or disprove.

For all I know, carbon dating and perhaps the achaeologists themselves are the Devil. Who the crap knows. Fact is...I have this urgent desire to believe in something, and yet, theres nothing to believe in besides some folklore thats been handed down, translated numerous times, and has had parts taken out or added by mortal men.

Guess there's really no way to ever know for sure. I guess I had hoped for someone to give me an epiphany or something about how they overcame this subject. Or perhaps a pm from God, who knows.
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OP, I understand, truly I do.
I feel I've been where you are. Over the past years, I've undergone a number of paradigm shifts - some were small, some were HUGE and nearly knocked me off kilter.

I had so many questions, for years, that no one could answer - until I finally decided to try to find the answers myself. I began studying... hard - and that's when paradigm one fell - when I realized so much of stuff I'd been taught was just not true (historically and otherwise, speaking).

The idea of "God" is represented differently throughout history and in every civilization. Did just one got it right and all the rest were wrong? Talk about unfairness and arrogance!

IMO, if you believe you are eternal spirit created from eternal spirit, then the rest is just gravy (and misrepresentation, mistranslation, interpolation, copying, editing, and a lot of lies!)

God is within.... and so are the answers :)

Kismet
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Those who have tried to distort the truth are called Kenites.
Here they are " 1 Chron. 2:55". They are the ones in the beginning that twisted the truth and it still rages on today in what they had done.

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There is no mention of this character "Lilith" in Genesis.

What Bible have you been reading?
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I'm also scratching my head as to where you are making these assertions from about the Bible and the supposed "inconsistencies"?

You regurgitate those people on this board who had no clue what the Bible says or talks about as if you took their words over reading the Bible for yourself.

Perhaps you should actually READ IT?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1159544


I never said Lilith was mentioned in Genesis. Which post are you reading lol. Listen, you know damned well who Lilith is, quit being smarmy.
In fact, you can find her in Isaiah 34:14.
You can find her all over the dead sea scrolls. The book of Moses mentions her over 10 times.
I might also direct you to the Alphabet of Ben Sira where it states Lilith was the first wife of Adam. You know...the one that was made from dirt and Adam rejected??? The same exact story in Genesis you tool shed. When Adam rejects her...as it SAYS in Genesis, God then makes him Eve...from his rib.

Are you serious? You dont know these things when your own Bible states them? Who was Adams first wife then if not Lilith? Does the name even matter anyway? Because Genesis doesnt say specifically her name was Lilith means squat...
Furthermore, as I dont know everything about everything, dont think for a second I dont know about the Bible or what its teachings are. Thats one thing I do know.
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there is only one place in the Bible "Lilith" is mentioned.
That is as an unclean spirit in the wilderness. I believe this was in the book of Isaiah, as you mentioned and not all Bible translates that specific name as "Lilith" which makes it really unimportant.

The books you mentioned are not the Bible.
If you want to look for God in references that are NOT scriptural, then you will not find Him and it is no wonder you struggle with the Truth.

Read the BIBLE.
Trust in Jesus Christ.

Faith comes from the heart.

In Jesus Christ.
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Okay, I'll bite. Why is it not important? Maybe not to you, but to the millions of people asking that same question, it does.

Furthermore, you say to look for things Scripturally and anything besides that doesnt count. You forget, it was MORTAL man that chose which books got in and which didnt. Why is Psalms any more important than Moses? Ezekial barelt made the cut just because some things he wrote were considered heresy.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are written from that exact time. Most of what youre basing your faith on are teachings of people who are writing hundreds of years after the events even took place...not first hand.

If Moses was blessed by God, would you not want to read what he has to say? Because his writings were found just in the last century are we to dismiss them because he hid them well enough to not be found by the Romans and destroyed? What of the books that may have been divinely inspired NOT being included?

You pay great lip service to your religion, but you are very close minded. Did not Jesus say that even the clergy in the end serve Lucifer? How do you know that the clergy who picked and chose what was in the Bible didnt in fact serve Lucifer?

Seems all these nagging questions could be blown out of the water by just one man walking on water or feeding my city with a fish and loaf of bread.

Just when we need Him the most, it feels as if Hes abandoning the very things he purportedly loves the most. Do you make your children suffer or not answer their questions? Most parents dont and any parent that does, has their kids taken from them.

Its almost as if by giving us common sense, God screwed himself...and all of us as well...for absolutely nothing besides Him acting like some kid with a magnifying glass on an ant hill. We are the ants.
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I'm also scratching my head as to where you are making these assertions from about the Bible and the supposed "inconsistencies"?

You regurgitate those people on this board who had no clue what the Bible says or talks about as if you took their words over reading the Bible for yourself.

Perhaps you should actually READ IT?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1159544


I never said Lilith was mentioned in Genesis. Which post are you reading lol. Listen, you know damned well who Lilith is, quit being smarmy.
In fact, you can find her in Isaiah 34:14.
You can find her all over the dead sea scrolls. The book of Moses mentions her over 10 times.
I might also direct you to the Alphabet of Ben Sira where it states Lilith was the first wife of Adam. You know...the one that was made from dirt and Adam rejected??? The same exact story in Genesis you tool shed. When Adam rejects her...as it SAYS in Genesis, God then makes him Eve...from his rib.

Are you serious? You dont know these things when your own Bible states them? Who was Adams first wife then if not Lilith? Does the name even matter anyway? Because Genesis doesnt say specifically her name was Lilith means squat...
Furthermore, as I dont know everything about everything, dont think for a second I dont know about the Bible or what its teachings are. Thats one thing I do know.
 Quoting: Iamtheone


there is only one place in the Bible "Lilith" is mentioned.
That is as an unclean spirit in the wilderness. I believe this was in the book of Isaiah, as you mentioned and not all Bible translates that specific name as "Lilith" which makes it really unimportant.

The books you mentioned are not the Bible.
If you want to look for God in references that are NOT scriptural, then you will not find Him and it is no wonder you struggle with the Truth.

Read the BIBLE.
Trust in Jesus Christ.

Faith comes from the heart.

In Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1159544



Okay, I'll bite. Why is it not important? Maybe not to you, but to the millions of people asking that same question, it does.

Furthermore, you say to look for things Scripturally and anything besides that doesnt count. You forget, it was MORTAL man that chose which books got in and which didnt. Why is Psalms any more important than Moses? Ezekial barelt made the cut just because some things he wrote were considered heresy.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are written from that exact time. Most of what youre basing your faith on are teachings of people who are writing hundreds of years after the events even took place...not first hand.

If Moses was blessed by God, would you not want to read what he has to say? Because his writings were found just in the last century are we to dismiss them because he hid them well enough to not be found by the Romans and destroyed? What of the books that may have been divinely inspired NOT being included?

You pay great lip service to your religion, but you are very close minded. Did not Jesus say that even the clergy in the end serve Lucifer? How do you know that the clergy who picked and chose what was in the Bible didnt in fact serve Lucifer?

Seems all these nagging questions could be blown out of the water by just one man walking on water or feeding my city with a fish and loaf of bread.

Just when we need Him the most, it feels as if Hes abandoning the very things he purportedly loves the most. Do you make your children suffer or not answer their questions? Most parents dont and any parent that does, has their kids taken from them.

Its almost as if by giving us common sense, God screwed himself...and all of us as well...for absolutely nothing besides Him acting like some kid with a magnifying glass on an ant hill. We are the ants.
 Quoting: Iamtheone


Who cares what man thinks ?

Do you think you are the only one that sees what has happened ?

I don't belong to a so called denominational church system.

Are there good bible teachers today? You bet, yet far and few between.
The traditions of mens church systems make void the Word of God.

How do we find out who is telling the truth as a pastor, revie, or priest ?

Rev. 3:10 defines that for us.

How do we keep the Word?
We must dig it out and find out who is telling the truth and who is parroting someones work that they follow.

When Christ calls you, there will be no man or woman that will stand between you and that calling to believe and come to Christ.
We are NOT ants , we are all the children of God. PERIOD!

Peace!
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Re: I really want a Christian to answer this...not a troll thread.
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I'm also scratching my head as to where you are making these assertions from about the Bible and the supposed "inconsistencies"?

You regurgitate those people on this board who had no clue what the Bible says or talks about as if you took their words over reading the Bible for yourself.

Perhaps you should actually READ IT?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1159544


I never said Lilith was mentioned in Genesis. Which post are you reading lol. Listen, you know damned well who Lilith is, quit being smarmy.
In fact, you can find her in Isaiah 34:14.
You can find her all over the dead sea scrolls. The book of Moses mentions her over 10 times.
I might also direct you to the Alphabet of Ben Sira where it states Lilith was the first wife of Adam. You know...the one that was made from dirt and Adam rejected??? The same exact story in Genesis you tool shed. When Adam rejects her...as it SAYS in Genesis, God then makes him Eve...from his rib.

Are you serious? You dont know these things when your own Bible states them? Who was Adams first wife then if not Lilith? Does the name even matter anyway? Because Genesis doesnt say specifically her name was Lilith means squat...
Furthermore, as I dont know everything about everything, dont think for a second I dont know about the Bible or what its teachings are. Thats one thing I do know.
 Quoting: Iamtheone


there is only one place in the Bible "Lilith" is mentioned.
That is as an unclean spirit in the wilderness. I believe this was in the book of Isaiah, as you mentioned and not all Bible translates that specific name as "Lilith" which makes it really unimportant.

The books you mentioned are not the Bible.
If you want to look for God in references that are NOT scriptural, then you will not find Him and it is no wonder you struggle with the Truth.

Read the BIBLE.
Trust in Jesus Christ.

Faith comes from the heart.

In Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1159544



Okay, I'll bite. Why is it not important? Maybe not to you, but to the millions of people asking that same question, it does.

Furthermore, you say to look for things Scripturally and anything besides that doesnt count. You forget, it was MORTAL man that chose which books got in and which didnt. Why is Psalms any more important than Moses? Ezekial barelt made the cut just because some things he wrote were considered heresy.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are written from that exact time. Most of what youre basing your faith on are teachings of people who are writing hundreds of years after the events even took place...not first hand.

If Moses was blessed by God, would you not want to read what he has to say? Because his writings were found just in the last century are we to dismiss them because he hid them well enough to not be found by the Romans and destroyed? What of the books that may have been divinely inspired NOT being included?

You pay great lip service to your religion, but you are very close minded. Did not Jesus say that even the clergy in the end serve Lucifer? How do you know that the clergy who picked and chose what was in the Bible didnt in fact serve Lucifer?

Seems all these nagging questions could be blown out of the water by just one man walking on water or feeding my city with a fish and loaf of bread.

Just when we need Him the most, it feels as if Hes abandoning the very things he purportedly loves the most. Do you make your children suffer or not answer their questions? Most parents dont and any parent that does, has their kids taken from them.

Its almost as if by giving us common sense, God screwed himself...and all of us as well...for absolutely nothing besides Him acting like some kid with a magnifying glass on an ant hill. We are the ants.
 Quoting: Iamtheone


You referencing sources that are not SCRIPTURE.
This is why.

Why do you seek God away from HIS WORD?

Perhaps this is also one of the reason why you are NOT finding HIM.

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