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Ive been ready,willing,and able for a decade but nothing seems different whatsoever. A relationship should be a two way street.

Ive done my part. I accept on faith what the Bible teaches. I only ask of God to show me. Doesnt have to be a burning bush or anything. Perhaps this feeling of overwhelming love Ive heard Christians have when God touches them. Or even just a voice in my head telling me He is there. But theres nothing...at all.
If God wants a relationship and all I have to do is "seek and ye shall find", it seems He is renegging on His own words.
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My last try here:

Yes, a relationship is a two-way street. And God has done his part; he has held out his hand to you for a very long time, patiently waiting, not demanding, and not asking any price from you at all.

And you just ignore him. You want him to do something more awesome than becoming human and rising from the dead. You want it done for you personally, right now.

This is what you call a relationship?

You keep ignoring what he's done already, and while out of one side of your mouth you keep saying you're open, out of the other you keep mocking him and calling him a liar.

If you really want him to speak to you in any way, don't tell him how or when. You either believe or you don't, and you either treat him like your God and Savior or you don't. You just need to make up your mind.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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Ask him to fill you with his spirit. Put worship music on and start worshipping him. Talk to him as your dad who loves you. Talk to him like you are talking to me. You don't to recite anything. All you need to Ask. Ask him that you want to be in his presence. Ask you will receive. Knock it will be opened. Also have a relationship with the Holy Spirit ask. It is the most amazing experience. All you need to do ask. In your privacy listen to this song learn the words and sing from your heart.


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You will see how things change.


God Bless You.
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What is the title of the book, Mr. One?
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Thats really a matter of interperetation. Its a book full of Revelations right? The plural of Revelation is in fact Revelations right?

Argue the symantics all you like. I still cannot see how adding an "s" to one word when I have typed thousands of them in this thread constitutes such an arrogant reply.

Bad spelling doesnt somehow negate the overall subject does it? Ive read numerous books with all kinds of grammatical problems. Does that mean the book loses all credibility because of a mistake in spelling?

You are far too bored and angry dude.
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What is the title of the book, Mr. One?
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Thats really a matter of interperetation. Its a book full of Revelations right? The plural of Revelation is in fact Revelations right?

Argue the symantics all you like. I still cannot see how adding an "s" to one word when I have typed thousands of them in this thread constitutes such an arrogant reply.

Bad spelling doesnt somehow negate the overall subject does it? Ive read numerous books with all kinds of grammatical problems. Does that mean the book loses all credibility because of a mistake in spelling?

You are far too bored and angry dude.
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What is the title of the book, Mr. One?

You have a great deal of difficulty admitting that you don't know
or that you are wrong?

Which is it?

Pride. Ego.

And you question God...
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It's not bad spelling. It's ignorance, Mr. One...
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YOU ARE THE ONE WHAT?
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Ive been ready,willing,and able for a decade but nothing seems different whatsoever. A relationship should be a two way street.

Ive done my part. I accept on faith what the Bible teaches. I only ask of God to show me. Doesnt have to be a burning bush or anything. Perhaps this feeling of overwhelming love Ive heard Christians have when God touches them. Or even just a voice in my head telling me He is there. But theres nothing...at all.
If God wants a relationship and all I have to do is "seek and ye shall find", it seems He is renegging on His own words.
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My last try here:

Yes, a relationship is a two-way street. And God has done his part; he has held out his hand to you for a very long time, patiently waiting, not demanding, and not asking any price from you at all.

And you just ignore him. You want him to do something more awesome than becoming human and rising from the dead. You want it done for you personally, right now.

This is what you call a relationship?

You keep ignoring what he's done already, and while out of one side of your mouth you keep saying you're open, out of the other you keep mocking him and calling him a liar.

If you really want him to speak to you in any way, don't tell him how or when. You either believe or you don't, and you either treat him like your God and Savior or you don't. You just need to make up your mind.
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What a great answer! That actually made me think. Its not that I need it right now. This has been a decade long venture. If time is indeed short, it would seem that God would make at least minimal effort.

We are aroind evil all day. If my child was seeking a light within the dark all while not succumbing to the devil in the meantime, I would answer my child immediately. Thats love.

There arent two definitions of love. Theres one. There are no conditions to love and yet God makes conditions. I seek to love a God who isnt returning it...at least seemingly anyway.

You dont have the luxury of picking certain passages in the Bible to prove your point and yet disregard others because they contradict eachother.
If Jesus says seek and ye shall find, I expect to find what I seek. I understand theres no timeline, but after ten years of honest seeking, Im left questioning more than ever. Seems awfully counter productive to what God is trying to accomplish...which I believe is just basic acceptance and belief in Jesus.
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Op say this prayer: Father I come before you in the name your son Jesus Christ to ask you for forgiveness for all my sins Jesus I accept you as my savior please come into my heart and fill me with your Holy Spirit in Jesus name I pray.

Then just talk to him like you would talk to a friend a caring father anything that's on your mind. Or your heart.

the experiences I've had with him it's a beautiful relationship.

I have gotten mad with him, I have cried with, I have laughed with him, I talk about everything that I go through and he does have a sense of humor by the way. He's a loving Father.
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It's not bad spelling. It's ignorance, Mr. One...
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Okay, I was mistaken of the exact spelling. Undoubtedly it is often mistaken as that. Id hardly say its ignorance though. Ignorance is claiming something is true when its been proven not.

I cant see how a minor mis spelling has anything to do with the conversation at all really.

So now that I have admitted to some egregious error, do you have anything of actual value to add?
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What you think, don't matter.

Soon, you will KNOW that God The Father, YahWeh, Jehovah, Elohim IS Real, and that God The Son, Christ Jesus Is Coming In Judgment.

If you've not rejected HIM, not much for you to worry about. God's Will IS Always Perfect! HE Will deal with you fairly.

Anyone who ever Loved Christ with a True heart, even as a child, will not be lost or condemned...

Other bystanders, who knows; and what do they matter?
Can't Know that God's Will IS Perfect?
Then I guess you will live in fear or with hate for HIM on your heart....


This is the Final Moment before Christ's Return.
Lots of cruelty and murder going to be done and attempted by the minions of satan in service to their master who desires the death of all flesh.


You want to believe in "something"?

Best make up your mind if that something is Christ and HIS Father. Not really a matter of the mind, either; more like find Love For God in your heart and open yourself to HIS Guidance.


Wish you all HIS Best!
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It's not bad spelling. It's ignorance, Mr. One...
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What is the title of the book, Mr. One?
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YOU ARE THE ONE WHAT?
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What you think, don't matter.

Soon, you will KNOW that God The Father, YahWeh, Jehovah, Elohim IS Real, and that God The Son, Christ Jesus Is Coming In Judgment.

If you've not rejected HIM, not much for you to worry about. God's Will IS Always Perfect! HE Will deal with you fairly.

Anyone who ever Loved Christ with a True heart, even as a child, will not be lost or condemned...

Other bystanders, who knows; and what do they matter?
Can't Know that God's Will IS Perfect?
Then I guess you will live in fear or with hate for HIM on your heart....


This is the Final Moment before Christ's Return.
Lots of cruelty and murder going to be done and attempted by the minions of satan in service to their master who desires the death of all flesh.


You want to believe in "something"?

Best make up your mind if that something is Christ and HIS Father. Not really a matter of the mind, either; more like find Love For God in your heart and open yourself to HIS Guidance.


Wish you all HIS Best!
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Im not really sure what value that reply has either. Arbitrarily stating opinion as fact only muddies the waters. The discussion isnt about "do this or else", it was a basic question of why no miracles are performed now as they were then.

The accusatory tone as well as the fire and brimstone analogies are exactly the problem with Christianity as a whole.

By your logic, I should just follow Him because if I dont, I will suffer. That turns many away from Christianity and youll get nowhere stating such things.

If you truly were a lamb of God, you wouldnt say such things. As a follower of Jehovah, you are told to spread the good word and be patient with non believers. You are to teach, not degrade or judge.

It seems you should re read Thessolonians and Mathew. Your views are skewed from even the Bible itself sir.
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It's not bad spelling. It's ignorance, Mr. One...
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What is the title of the book, Mr. One?
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YOU ARE THE ONE WHAT?
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I believe I answered those first two questions already.

As for the third, Im afraid I dont follow. You are Anonymous Coward WHAT? What...we in like third grade now? We playin some sort of grab ass game? Do you love me or somethin?

At this point, it is definitely you thats looking ignorant, not me.
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What you think, don't matter.

Soon, you will KNOW that God The Father, YahWeh, Jehovah, Elohim IS Real, and that God The Son, Christ Jesus Is Coming In Judgment.

If you've not rejected HIM, not much for you to worry about. God's Will IS Always Perfect! HE Will deal with you fairly.

Anyone who ever Loved Christ with a True heart, even as a child, will not be lost or condemned...

Other bystanders, who knows; and what do they matter?
Can't Know that God's Will IS Perfect?
Then I guess you will live in fear or with hate for HIM on your heart....


This is the Final Moment before Christ's Return.
Lots of cruelty and murder going to be done and attempted by the minions of satan in service to their master who desires the death of all flesh.


You want to believe in "something"?

Best make up your mind if that something is Christ and HIS Father. Not really a matter of the mind, either; more like find Love For God in your heart and open yourself to HIS Guidance.


Wish you all HIS Best!
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Im not really sure what value that reply has either. Arbitrarily stating opinion as fact only muddies the waters. The discussion isnt about "do this or else", it was a basic question of why no miracles are performed now as they were then.

The accusatory tone as well as the fire and brimstone analogies are exactly the problem with Christianity as a whole.

By your logic, I should just follow Him because if I dont, I will suffer. That turns many away from Christianity and youll get nowhere stating such things.

If you truly were a lamb of God, you wouldnt say such things. As a follower of Jehovah, you are told to spread the good word and be patient with non believers. You are to teach, not degrade or judge.

It seems you should re read Thessolonians and Mathew. Your views are skewed from even the Bible itself sir.
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Yep..there are two forces in this world.

GOOD...and EVIL.

Last I heard BLACKMAIL was EVIL.

For God to say "BOW to me OR Im going to TORTURE you forever" is BLACKMAIL..and therfore..EVIL.

Last I heard..GOD is GOOD..and IN him is NO DARKNESS at all.

Last I heard SATAN was EVIL..and in HIM..is NO LIGHT.

SO if the statement "SERVE me Or I TORTURE you" is DARKNESS..

WHO INVENTED IT?
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Standing in a carpark doesn't make you a car as much as going to church doesnt make you a christian. Live your life as a good person and you gain faith in all things good.
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VERY NICE. AND JESUS DIDN'T CREATE CHRISTIANITY. ROME DID.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

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Yep..there are two forces in this world.

GOOD...and EVIL.

Last I heard BLACKMAIL was EVIL.

For God to say "BOW to me OR Im going to TORTURE you forever" is BLACKMAIL..and therfore..EVIL.

Last I heard..GOD is GOOD..and IN him is NO DARKNESS at all.

Last I heard SATAN was EVIL..and in HIM..is NO LIGHT.

SO if the statement "SERVE me Or I TORTURE you" is DARKNESS..

WHO INVENTED IT?


You misunderstand you have free will. Bc you have free will their are consequences to ones actions. If you steal you go to jail. If you Kill you go to jail. With free will their is always consequences to ones actions. God gives you the choice to come to him who is love. But since he is also Judge if you choose not to, due to that action by pride or arrogance or being in rebellion you will have the consequence the same as those that rebelled from the begining. Hell is a prison to those that chose darkness instead of light.
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I dont really believe in anything I guess. Big Bang makes little sense to me, as does Christianity. Besides the many glaring contradictions in the Christian Bible, theres a larger theme I just dont understand and its bugging me because I WANT to believe in something.Contradictions were created by man. Things were added and removed from the Bible and many other religious texts to fit the current regimes agenda. The larger theme you speak of is the fact that everything is connected, there is a Supreme Being that is in control and as long as you believe in the Supreme Being you will be saved/ascend/etc...that is what every religion from the dawn of time has tried to tell us, however those that were in charge knew this could be manipulated to their advantage

Whether the Bible is meant to be taken literally or figuratively, I believe it is all allegory, the books of the Bible had to be written in a way that future generations would be able to understand and many of the writers of these books didn't have what we consider "common" knowledge today. Such as fire and brimstone (sulfur) pouring down from the sky back then is what we would call a volcanic eruption or meteor shower today. Keep in mind though that over the generations there have been many incorrect translations and modifications to fit man's agenda so the original message has been lost/modified. In addition to that the way we think has changed dramatically. We now think in a more literal sense and if we cannot prove something scientifically we write it off...2000 years ago we wouldn't assume we knew what happened, we would assume it was God's will and leave it at that. Try and put yourself in the shoes of an ancient human...there are many things we take for granted now as common knowledge that the ancients would have no idea about.


My problem is WHERE ARE OUR Moses', Josephs, JESUS', burning bushes, big booming voices from the sky, healers of the blind, any true MIRACLES at all??? Our Moses, Joseph, etc are probably here. Yesterday's prophet is today's schizophrenic or "crazy" person. Food for thought...If Noah came on the news today and said we are going to be flooded everyone come to my ship! People would think he is crazy, off his meds and needs to visit the rubber room! Miracles still happen to this day but they are written off as medical advancements (even though the doctor had done the same exact thing to a previous patient and they died), luck or any other excuse someone comes up with the explain the unexplainable.

It doesnt seem fair that back then, GOD made himself noticable. God is still noticeable, you just have not opened your eyes to see. You are stuck in a pattern of thinking that makes you blind to what is actually going on around you. You've had the wool pulled over your eyes so to speak

I would think that God would make himself more available to a current population that has nothing to latch onto besides evil and bad things. People had a far easier life back then compared to now. Then, you herd some sheep, hunt, grow food, and watch a miracle or two. Now, we all work 25 hrs per day, take care of kids, worry about almost everything from GMO's killing us, to watching a world spiral out of control....all of this, and we're still supposed to make time for FAITH when it appears God has left us thousands of years ago.God is available, but you have turned away from him because you are more focused on material things...I was NOT easier to live back then. Hunting was not easy, they didn't have the weaponry and technology we take for granted now. Growing food was a crap shoot. They didn't have fertilizers, irrigation etc that we do now. What they did have was FAITH in God and in turn he provided a bountiful harvest and lead the hunting groups to the herds. In this day and age we refuse to believe that God will help us. We are on our own and creators of our own destiny, when there is a bountiful harvest we credit our hard work and abilities not God. The world is spiraling out of control, as God said it would if we turned away from him!

Sadly, the vague fulfillment of random prophecies in Daniel and Revelations isnt enough for me to change my whole life and blindly follow a religion. It feels like if there were a God, he has abandoned US when WE need Him most and what God would do that??If you would like a different perspective on this read "The Harbinger." You might realize more prophecy has been fulfilled than you have been lead to believe

Besides birth, DNA, and other banal nonsense, can a Christian please provide me with some insight as to where God has gone? Do you as a Christian think its fair that people 2,000 years ago got all the proof while we ( at the supposed end times) get nothing? Where are our healers, prophets, miracles? While religion is based on faith, one would think God would throw us a bone once in awhile on the same grand style of the old days no?Read above and this will be answered


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See my responses in bold above...
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Yep..there are two forces in this world.

GOOD...and EVIL.

Last I heard BLACKMAIL was EVIL.

For God to say "BOW to me OR Im going to TORTURE you forever" is BLACKMAIL..and therfore..EVIL.

Last I heard..GOD is GOOD..and IN him is NO DARKNESS at all.

Last I heard SATAN was EVIL..and in HIM..is NO LIGHT.

SO if the statement "SERVE me Or I TORTURE you" is DARKNESS..

WHO INVENTED IT?


You misunderstand you have free will. Bc you have free will their are consequences to ones actions. If you steal you go to jail. If you Kill you go to jail. With free will their is always consequences to ones actions. God gives you the choice to come to him who is love. But since he is also Judge if you choose not to, due to that action by pride or arrogance or being in rebellion you will have the consequence the same as those that rebelled from the begining. Hell is a prison to those that chose darkness instead of light.
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Free will?

Ok lets play it the way YOU just said..

Free will is a FREE CHOICE..NO coercian..threats..force..OR intimidation.

THATS FREE will.

You have the chance to make an UTTERLY FREE CHOICE.

YOUR version of free will is this..

You walk up to me..hold a gun to my head..say "BE my friend or I BLOW your HEAD off"...now..how FREE is my choice THEN?

If I did that to YOU..what would YOU do?

Would YOU call it a FREE CHOICE with NO duress?

because the moment you introduce THREATS and FORCE..ITS NO LONGER FREE.

I suggest you rethink this whole.."LOVE me or I BURN YOU ALIVE forever" thing as what it is..SATANIC BLACKMAIL and FORCE and the OPPOSITE of free will..WHICH IT IS!
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lol

i get it now

the CAPPED words clued me in

you want a miracle to for u or somethng

instead of praying for others

lol

dork
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Ahhh, so because someone doesnt see your point of view, you decide name calling is in order. Gotcha. I suppose the title of Anonymous Coward fits dude. If ya aint got anything to offer in the way of insight or anything to offer the thread, go troll elsewhere.

The predominant thoery is to just not ask anything of why God does things, just shuddup and follow. Well, its GOD that made me so inquisitive right? He made us to question things and then gets upset when we question?? Is He passive aggrssive or something? God believes in fairness for all right? No group should be elevated above another right? Well, what if Im born in the jungles of the Congo and have never heard of your God? If trying to convert me from my heathen religion, why should I bother to listen when you tell me to just take your word for it?

Perhaps noone has the true answer, but either way, any God that elevates one group over another doesnt seem so Godly to me really.
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I'll tell you what... I'm in the same boat - I'm not sure exactly what I believe in. I do have faith in god, which was actually because of what science shows us (how everything appears designed even from molecular levels).

Someone earlier in the thread said something about living your life good, and you will be surrounded.

The best thing you can do is do good things for others, and miracles will happen for you and others.

Doing good for others is a miracle in its own. We are each faces of god and the miracles need to happen through us. Many people are saved from drugs, depression etc. every day. There are so many miracles on this earth.

The reason that there is no one GRAND miracle that affects all of us is because not everyone has faith (not in the christian sense, but in the overall sense).

Although there were miracles two thousand years ago, keep in mind that the world as a whole did not believe in it, even then.

We have what we have. We have what we give.
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If one chooses not to come to God who is love, Then you have already chosen The Other One because outside of God there is no love, Only Darkness there is no in the midlle. It's a punishment that is not meant for you but those angels that rebelled against God. If you choose that then you have chosen them and will recieve the same punishment they will.
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If one chooses not to come to God who is love, Then you have already chosen The Other One because outside of God there is no love, Only Darkness there is no in the midlle. It's a punishment that is not meant for you but those angels that rebelled against God. If you choose that then you have chosen them and will recieve the same punishment they will.
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So what you are saying is that..the God who IS LOVE..is also saying

"LOVE me or I TORTURE you forever..NO pressure..relly..cause I LOVE you...but if you DONT love me back I am going to BURN YOU ALIVE forever in MERCILESS SATANIC AGONY..but seriously..I LOVE you"
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And our elevation. Our gift...

It is knowledge. It is the fact that we have any miracles at all. Look at the (admittedly loose) law and order we have in north america. Why are we not all killing eachother for food? Because there is order. Why is there order? Because people believe in good things.

The very fact that there is language, trade, doing good unto others... All of it. It is a miracle.

We are not primitive savages as a whole, even though savage things happen. I suggest you think about how miraculous that is. We organized. We stuck together for the good of all. This is why we are the dominant species. Because our connection to one another is empathetic in many ways.

Because many of us strive to understand each other. Strive to do good for each other. Strive to make the world a better place.

Yes, there are shootings. Yes, there is war. But think about this for a moment -- although we have more dangerous weapons as a race, we have not savagely used these weapons to the same extent of our past selves. We are coming along. It will take time... Maybe another 2000 years. Maybe that will be too late. But the fact remains we each care to understand each other -- and that in it's own right is a miracle.
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If one chooses not to come to God who is love, Then you have already chosen The Other One because outside of God there is no love, Only Darkness there is no in the midlle. It's a punishment that is not meant for you but those angels that rebelled against God. If you choose that then you have chosen them and will recieve the same punishment they will.
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So what you are saying is that..the God who IS LOVE..is also saying

"LOVE me or I TORTURE you forever..NO pressure..relly..cause I LOVE you...but if you DONT love me back I am going to BURN YOU ALIVE forever in MERCILESS SATANIC AGONY..but seriously..I LOVE you"
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You're taking it too literally. Stop thinking about god as a person. Start thinking about god as an energy. You can choose positive or negative. God doesn't damn people. People damn themselves.

Even an athiest will often agree that you can choose to live a life of happiness, or a life of tragedy/sorrow/anger.

Its in the mindset. I personally like to see the christian scripture as symbolic, not 100% literal. I think that is what many people struggle with when considering religion. It can be what it means to YOU. There are answers written out, but it is really about the perspective that you read it through.
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I dont really believe in anything I guess. Big Bang makes little sense to me, as does Christianity. Besides the many glaring contradictions in the Christian Bible, theres a larger theme I just dont understand and its bugging me because I WANT to believe in something.Contradictions were created by man. Things were added and removed from the Bible and many other religious texts to fit the current regimes agenda. The larger theme you speak of is the fact that everything is connected, there is a Supreme Being that is in control and as long as you believe in the Supreme Being you will be saved/ascend/etc...that is what every religion from the dawn of time has tried to tell us, however those that were in charge knew this could be manipulated to their advantage

Whether the Bible is meant to be taken literally or figuratively, I believe it is all allegory, the books of the Bible had to be written in a way that future generations would be able to understand and many of the writers of these books didn't have what we consider "common" knowledge today. Such as fire and brimstone (sulfur) pouring down from the sky back then is what we would call a volcanic eruption or meteor shower today. Keep in mind though that over the generations there have been many incorrect translations and modifications to fit man's agenda so the original message has been lost/modified. In addition to that the way we think has changed dramatically. We now think in a more literal sense and if we cannot prove something scientifically we write it off...2000 years ago we wouldn't assume we knew what happened, we would assume it was God's will and leave it at that. Try and put yourself in the shoes of an ancient human...there are many things we take for granted now as common knowledge that the ancients would have no idea about.


My problem is WHERE ARE OUR Moses', Josephs, JESUS', burning bushes, big booming voices from the sky, healers of the blind, any true MIRACLES at all??? Our Moses, Joseph, etc are probably here. Yesterday's prophet is today's schizophrenic or "crazy" person. Food for thought...If Noah came on the news today and said we are going to be flooded everyone come to my ship! People would think he is crazy, off his meds and needs to visit the rubber room! Miracles still happen to this day but they are written off as medical advancements (even though the doctor had done the same exact thing to a previous patient and they died), luck or any other excuse someone comes up with the explain the unexplainable.

It doesnt seem fair that back then, GOD made himself noticable. God is still noticeable, you just have not opened your eyes to see. You are stuck in a pattern of thinking that makes you blind to what is actually going on around you. You've had the wool pulled over your eyes so to speak

I would think that God would make himself more available to a current population that has nothing to latch onto besides evil and bad things. People had a far easier life back then compared to now. Then, you herd some sheep, hunt, grow food, and watch a miracle or two. Now, we all work 25 hrs per day, take care of kids, worry about almost everything from GMO's killing us, to watching a world spiral out of control....all of this, and we're still supposed to make time for FAITH when it appears God has left us thousands of years ago.God is available, but you have turned away from him because you are more focused on material things...I was NOT easier to live back then. Hunting was not easy, they didn't have the weaponry and technology we take for granted now. Growing food was a crap shoot. They didn't have fertilizers, irrigation etc that we do now. What they did have was FAITH in God and in turn he provided a bountiful harvest and lead the hunting groups to the herds. In this day and age we refuse to believe that God will help us. We are on our own and creators of our own destiny, when there is a bountiful harvest we credit our hard work and abilities not God. The world is spiraling out of control, as God said it would if we turned away from him!

Sadly, the vague fulfillment of random prophecies in Daniel and Revelations isnt enough for me to change my whole life and blindly follow a religion. It feels like if there were a God, he has abandoned US when WE need Him most and what God would do that??If you would like a different perspective on this read "The Harbinger." You might realize more prophecy has been fulfilled than you have been lead to believe

Besides birth, DNA, and other banal nonsense, can a Christian please provide me with some insight as to where God has gone? Do you as a Christian think its fair that people 2,000 years ago got all the proof while we ( at the supposed end times) get nothing? Where are our healers, prophets, miracles? While religion is based on faith, one would think God would throw us a bone once in awhile on the same grand style of the old days no?Read above and this will be answered


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See my responses in bold above...
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What a very thought out post and certainly food for thought. A few quick questions though:

I totally understand the allegory of "yesterdays prophet is todays crazy person". While I agree and see the point you are making, youve missed a glaring hole in that thoery. I have yer to hear of a crazy person predicting a large event that actually happens in a way we can see in hindsight that the crazy person was in fact, correct.

I still disagree about the hardships of the time. Is it any harder for say, people in China have an easier time growing rice than they did 5000 years ago? By all accounts, humans mastered farming like 8000 years ago. Dont forget, in Jesus' times, there were bows and arrows, some sort of metal (not sure which age that is so...) swords and spears. Even tribes in the Amazon still hunt with blow darts and crap and do just fine.

When compared to now, when we have the added stress of jobs, money, tyrannical government, evil at every turn, not to mention diseases that and sicknesses that were unknown then and are still un treatable.

Yeah, we can agree to disagree on that point.

Still...great reply, and look forward to more.
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quoting you (The discussion isnt about "do this or else", it was a basic question of why no miracles are performed now as they were then.)

Did you not read the first response of the person from Oman? Miracles are happening all over the world.
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If one chooses not to come to God who is love, Then you have already chosen The Other One because outside of God there is no love, Only Darkness there is no in the midlle. It's a punishment that is not meant for you but those angels that rebelled against God. If you choose that then you have chosen them and will recieve the same punishment they will.
 Quoting: Semper Fi 6875630


So what you are saying is that..the God who IS LOVE..is also saying

"LOVE me or I TORTURE you forever..NO pressure..relly..cause I LOVE you...but if you DONT love me back I am going to BURN YOU ALIVE forever in MERCILESS SATANIC AGONY..but seriously..I LOVE you"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16360114


You're taking it too literally. Stop thinking about god as a person. Start thinking about god as an energy. You can choose positive or negative. God doesn't damn people. People damn themselves.

Even an athiest will often agree that you can choose to live a life of happiness, or a life of tragedy/sorrow/anger.

Its in the mindset. I personally like to see the christian scripture as symbolic, not 100% literal. I think that is what many people struggle with when considering religion. It can be what it means to YOU. There are answers written out, but it is really about the perspective that you read it through.
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So you are now saying God is just a force..like on starwars?

An impersonal mindless energy..and that the bibe is a book about that impersonal midless energy?
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you cant ask for fact if its about christianity. you have to "believe" in it

lol
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No he is saying that there is 2 roads. If you come to me by my road you will have what I AM which is love, Compassion, Mercy , Forgiveness. But on the other road I will not be there. But if you choose to go on the other road just know what awaits you. I am not there therefor you will receive what that road brings. Being absent from God. And he is warning what that road takes you to. Now it is one's choice which road one will take.

All that is Good is of God

All that is evil is absent from God.

It is a choice which he warns that you don't have to go through that road you can come down the other one which is where he is a LOVING FATHER. While the other leads to the fallen ones that hate Humanity.

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