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you want to see a prophet? you want to see jesus?
wait for second coming.

you want to see a miracle?
wait for antichrist. (one eyed deciever, as told by prophet, new world order anyone?)

be prepared.

and, research about shia islam... you'll find answers. miracles still occuring on this earth.
not every eye is able to see, but not by the eyes you have to see with the heart.

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so you want god prooves he really exists.. forget... will never happens.. you have to understand, once and for all, he is the almigthy, the all powerfull, the one that created the whole universe, who knows every star, planet, constelation, by their names.. because HE named them. He is the one who knows every single electron, every single atom, each cell of each living being of this and others planets, he is the king of kings, far far far away from the reach of humans. And we, as humans, are less than a virus before him.. if he wanted, he cold kill all humankind instantly, because all life belongs to him.

Knock in the white house door and ask obama to proove he really is american. what will happen to you? we can only guess, and my guess is you will never even see obama. So is god, away from humankind since after the deluge, because we are falty, fallen and evil beings, every single human, even the newborn, because of their fathers.

The only way a person can reach god is trough jesus christ, our savior, because he bought us, and paid in blood for our sins. there are thousands of miracles happening every single day in this earth, but you will never see in the msm, because all msm, and all power structure in this planet(govs, economy, education) is LUCIFERIAN in nature, and so is against all that represents god, they are deceveirs and liars, i guess you already know that. Instant healings, teleportations, ressurrections, exorcisms, and every imaginable kind of miracle happens in a daily basis. These miracles is the signal of the love and even existence of jesus, no believer has ever seen jesus, its faith and signals, that simple. The believer dont trust in a fairy tale character, but in a living and eternal being, and this being repays in signals and more faith. Thousands upon thousand have given their lives by this faith, and they were not crazy, nor idiots. THEY KNEW THEIR MASTER.

If a person really wants to know god, first he have to ask with the most humble and uninterested heart. First you have to proove your humbleness and faith, after come the signals, may come in many forms, maybe one day you go to greece, and a woman that you never met in your life, approach you and talk to you in greek, and you will instantly understand every word she says, she will talk about secrets of your mind and heart, that only you (and god) knows, making you cry like a baby, and so youll know there is a god, but he is even near than that.. you have just to look around.. go to the poorest church, in the poorest town, in the poorest country, i garantee you god is there.. you will see and feel.
btw, time is getting really short.. time to wake up of the delusional earthly dream. forget what you know about religion, your mind have been trained to dismiss even this word.. its all a big, very big WAR.. jesus was not a peace maker.. read, and understand the book of books, that we call bible, that was printed some tens of billions of times with a purpose
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While I do subscribe to the assumption that as we turned away from Gods principles as a nation, things have gotten progressively worse...Things have gotten and will continue to get worse because we still refuse to see what is happening in front of us and continue to blame God or use this as the reason to not believe in God, when in fact we should be blaming ourselves and turning back to God. This is playing out exactly as Biblical (and many others)prophecy stated. If we continue down the path we are on...we will end up where we are going (Confucius quote)I still disagree on your view of potential prophets.You were given free will to believe what you would like. You must choose to seek out the information you want/need; you only see what you want to see, so if you are not actively looking for the signs and information you will miss it. You seem to have an open mind and are willing to consider other view points, otherwise why would you be on a conspiracy site? I am assuming you come here because you don't believe our leaders and media and like many of us, you think there is a lot we are not being told. How is this different?

So..if they are happening and we just arent being told about it, how on earth can God expect us to find him if we are thwarted at every turn??see statement above

If everyone who controls things are in bed with the devil, and they control all information but don't allow us to have it, isn't God kinda helping the Devil?God is not helping the devil. The devil is a necessary evil, without the devil we would have no reason to believe in God. Everything would be sunshine and rainbows. This goes back to how nature needs balance.

Im searching, an honest search, and have asked God of only one thing...HIM. Its all I have ever asked. For Him to ignore me and instead come into the hearts of Godless people seems redundant. Those people werent searching yet theyve supposedly had God come into their life. Here I am searching, begging for something to give my life meaning, or humanity as a whole rather, and HE is too busy saving evil people who are evil for the sake of being evil while leaving us "good and decent" people behind.Perhaps your searching methods need to be changed, maybe you are being selfish in asking him to show himself to you, so that you will believe. That sounds more like defiance or a threat. Maybe he has shown you, but you weren't willing to see or hear because of your defiance to him. Belief must be based of faith first, proof comes later.

Im gen Y and it aint FAIR lol
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do you read scripture?

when did all the miracles, plagues, etc... cause ANYONE to repent and believe?

they saw the miracles of christ yet put him to death.

when sacrifices justified transgressors; both increased.

since christ came a lamb slain god has determined that faith in that which cannot be seen is the only way, and that by the foolishness of preaching.
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So because one group of people decided they didnt wanna believe, every generation afterwards should suffer?

Lemme ask you this. How many people who seen those miracles actually grew closer to God? The Bible says even some Egyptians left among the Israelites right?

Just because many chose not to believe, many chose to start believing right? My point is at least they were given the option to make their choice. We dont seem to get that option.
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absolutely you have a choice!

you have a choice to believe WITHOUT proof, or to not.

what? can't believe because you cannot see? they SEEING did not believe, and NEITHER will you.
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Having a personal relationship with Jesus is all well and good....providing you actually HAVE one for real.

How can most of the ones who claim they have a personal relationship with the author of love be the most hate filled judgmental callous and hellfire torture breathing ones out there?

The hypocrisy is permeated in every church I have ever been to.

Thinking they are good and holy when they by their words and their action only show they are evil and unholy?.

They sit up on a pedastal and proclaim doom and torture and death as the invention of the Author of Love.

How can this be?

Isnt satan the author of doom and torture and death?

Was it not satan who was the first one to use pride which led to hate?

Then why do so many "Christians" and churches preach pride and hate and doom and death to all who dont follow their interpretation of things?

Isnt that satans way of doing things?

Ive seen thousands of so called "Born again spirit filled" christians hating eachother and everyone else with a hate and vehemence that satan would be very proud of.


Its all about threats of torture in a horrifying dungeon that GOD created. Cant God reach people without having to resort to torture as a threat?

Since when did God get into the blackmail business?

Isnt blackmail and torture SATANS domain?

Isnt it satans tactic to DEMAND people worship him on pain of death?

Isnt it satans wish and plan to MARK everyone on the planet and FORCE people to worship him as god ON PAIN OF DEATH?

Didnt Jesus say that the best way to tell good apart from evil is by its fruits or its results?

So how come the "Born again spirit filled" ones who claim to be full of the love of God preach the very SAME doctrine satan preaches,,,which is..worship ME or DIE?

(And the antichrist can only kill you once..it is said God will keep you alive in agony forever which is far worse)

How can God claim the high ground if he uses the SAME and WORSE tactics..threats..and FEAR that satan uses?

Either satan and god are one and the same being..

OR...

Satan has very cunnungly programmed most christians into accepting God has the right to be exactly what satan is.

A terrifying, megolomaniac, worship demanding, torturing, merciless tyrant.

God CANNOT be that.

So what is the answer?

Jesus was right when he warned of sending a strong delusion.

"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and will all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

"And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Is not what The churches teach and the current doctrine portraying God to be the same or worse than satan is about as deluded as you can get.?

force and fear and control and manipulation are blatant tools of darkness.

So is blackmail.

No one can deny that.

It makes me wonder why it is used so much by christians.

Its taught that good and bad fruit cannot grow on the same tree.

Foul and fresh water cannot flow from the same tap.

So how is LOVE and BLACKMAIL allowed to coexist together in current teachings?

If you have real love dwelling inside you right away you know just what darkness is.

Darkness does not know itself as dark until the light comes on.

Darkness is seen clearly in the bright glare of the light of LOVE.

If you continue in pride and contention and arguments and spite....if you still have a cold hard judgmental attitude towards others who do not agree with you...if you think of God as being a blackmailer and tyrant whos only effective way of gaining followers is to threaten them with torture...sorry to say..but all those things are of DARKNESS and proves beyond doubt..by their fruits..that the light has NOT come on inside.

Many can claim they said a prayer that changed them. But did they change?

Their main desire is to beat others over the head with threats of hell in the same way they feel God beat THEM over the head with threats of hell.

This is NOT love it is FORCE.

This is why NO love is shown BY them because NO love was shown TO them.

You can ONLY give what you have recieved.

If what you give is harsh judgment and you hold an elite attitude of "I am saved and THEY will burn" then you are only repeating the mindset of satan who is all about threats and force and blackmail.

God is LOVE and he who DWELLS in love ABIDES in him..IN LOVE..and IN God there is NO DARKNESS AT ALL.

If your entire christian walk is dedicated to telling others they will burn in hell or that they have to cower and cringe and obey laws and do this or that or GOD will get them...then you are preaching darkness because darkness is in fact what you have recieved within and so its all you can give and show without.

But if you let Jesus reign IN you and His love is REAL to you then you could not even THINK about threatening others nor would you have pride and spite.

Jesus said "I am MEEK and LOWLY of heart..LEARN from me"

So few DO..although they THINK they do but their words and their actions betray the true state of whats within.

If what flows OUT of you is darkness then its darkness that reigns within NOT light or LOVE.

Clean and dirty water cannot flow from the same tap.

You cannot say you LOVE God and HATE others. The two do not mix.

You cannot say you have LOVE within if you show PRIDE and spite without. Its only an indicator that NOTHING has changed within you.

This is the reason so many see christians as evil spite filled pride obsessed contentious hypocrites.

Because MOST of them ARE, as they cannot help but show their TRUE nature to the world. The nature of DARKNESS is evident even to those who still dwell in it and who have never met Jesus.

The world judges christians this way because EVIL knows its own. When something comes along that is MORE evil than the world the world sees this and knowing by NATURE the things of darkness is very quick to point it out.

The world LOATHES hypocrites.

So all christians out there reading this please be aware of what you say and do. ARE you being compassionate and loving? Or are you judging and hating and condemning?

Next time you feel like reacting in anger or spite or saying "YOU will BURN IN HELL for having such a veiw" keep in mind the pharisees acted the same way and we all know what Jesus thought of THEM.

Ponder this.
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This ^^^ very well said, indeed!

As I said earlier, I do not identify myself as 'christian', however, in those words above, I find unity... a common ground upon which much may be built.

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Time will tell soon and God will validate those that have been speaking Truth about Him.

And those of you who have mispoken and misrepresented His Word and not held His Word in Reverence...

GREAT WOE UPON YOU.

In Jesus Christ.
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While I do subscribe to the assumption that as we turned away from Gods principles as a nation, things have gotten progressively worse...Things have gotten and will continue to get worse because we still refuse to see what is happening in front of us and continue to blame God or use this as the reason to not believe in God, when in fact we should be blaming ourselves and turning back to God. This is playing out exactly as Biblical (and many others)prophecy stated. If we continue down the path we are on...we will end up where we are going (Confucius quote)I still disagree on your view of potential prophets.You were given free will to believe what you would like. You must choose to seek out the information you want/need; you only see what you want to see, so if you are not actively looking for the signs and information you will miss it. You seem to have an open mind and are willing to consider other view points, otherwise why would you be on a conspiracy site? I am assuming you come here because you don't believe our leaders and media and like many of us, you think there is a lot we are not being told. How is this different?

So..if they are happening and we just arent being told about it, how on earth can God expect us to find him if we are thwarted at every turn??see statement above

If everyone who controls things are in bed with the devil, and they control all information but don't allow us to have it, isn't God kinda helping the Devil?God is not helping the devil. The devil is a necessary evil, without the devil we would have no reason to believe in God. Everything would be sunshine and rainbows. This goes back to how nature needs balance.

Im searching, an honest search, and have asked God of only one thing...HIM. Its all I have ever asked. For Him to ignore me and instead come into the hearts of Godless people seems redundant. Those people werent searching yet theyve supposedly had God come into their life. Here I am searching, begging for something to give my life meaning, or humanity as a whole rather, and HE is too busy saving evil people who are evil for the sake of being evil while leaving us "good and decent" people behind.Perhaps your searching methods need to be changed, maybe you are being selfish in asking him to show himself to you, so that you will believe. That sounds more like defiance or a threat. Maybe he has shown you, but you weren't willing to see or hear because of your defiance to him. Belief must be based of faith first, proof comes later.

Im gen Y and it aint FAIR lol
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FYI...OP these are my responses. I was at work and I won't log in to my account on their computers.

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It's all a matter of perception and attention. Focus your attention on doom and gloom, and that is what you will perceive. Focus your attention on love and harmony and see what happens. It's not easily done, there are entities hard at work trying to steal your attention. Beware of what you feed.
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If the Hebrew God wants to throw little old me into a fiery furnace for eternity for no reason other than I can't put my support behind a jealous, vindictive God, then I'm okay with that.

Call me a conscientious objector.

Nothing has control over you if you fear nothing.
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God hates it when hedoesn't have control over you, but the beautiful irony is that we were given a choice not to become slaves.
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Having a personal relationship with Jesus is all well and good....providing you actually HAVE one for real.

How can most of the ones who claim they have a personal relationship with the author of love be the most hate filled judgmental callous and hellfire torture breathing ones out there?

The hypocrisy is permeated in every church I have ever been to.

Thinking they are good and holy when they by their words and their action only show they are evil and unholy?.

They sit up on a pedastal and proclaim doom and torture and death as the invention of the Author of Love.

How can this be?

Isnt satan the author of doom and torture and death?

Was it not satan who was the first one to use pride which led to hate?

Then why do so many "Christians" and churches preach pride and hate and doom and death to all who dont follow their interpretation of things?

Isnt that satans way of doing things?

Ive seen thousands of so called "Born again spirit filled" christians hating eachother and everyone else with a hate and vehemence that satan would be very proud of.


Its all about threats of torture in a horrifying dungeon that GOD created. Cant God reach people without having to resort to torture as a threat?

Since when did God get into the blackmail business?

Isnt blackmail and torture SATANS domain?

Isnt it satans tactic to DEMAND people worship him on pain of death?

Isnt it satans wish and plan to MARK everyone on the planet and FORCE people to worship him as god ON PAIN OF DEATH?

Didnt Jesus say that the best way to tell good apart from evil is by its fruits or its results?

So how come the "Born again spirit filled" ones who claim to be full of the love of God preach the very SAME doctrine satan preaches,,,which is..worship ME or DIE?

(And the antichrist can only kill you once..it is said God will keep you alive in agony forever which is far worse)

How can God claim the high ground if he uses the SAME and WORSE tactics..threats..and FEAR that satan uses?

Either satan and god are one and the same being..

OR...

Satan has very cunnungly programmed most christians into accepting God has the right to be exactly what satan is.

A terrifying, megolomaniac, worship demanding, torturing, merciless tyrant.

God CANNOT be that.

So what is the answer?

Jesus was right when he warned of sending a strong delusion.

"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and will all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

"And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Is not what The churches teach and the current doctrine portraying God to be the same or worse than satan is about as deluded as you can get.?

force and fear and control and manipulation are blatant tools of darkness.

So is blackmail.

No one can deny that.

It makes me wonder why it is used so much by christians.

Its taught that good and bad fruit cannot grow on the same tree.

Foul and fresh water cannot flow from the same tap.

So how is LOVE and BLACKMAIL allowed to coexist together in current teachings?

If you have real love dwelling inside you right away you know just what darkness is.

Darkness does not know itself as dark until the light comes on.

Darkness is seen clearly in the bright glare of the light of LOVE.

If you continue in pride and contention and arguments and spite....if you still have a cold hard judgmental attitude towards others who do not agree with you...if you think of God as being a blackmailer and tyrant whos only effective way of gaining followers is to threaten them with torture...sorry to say..but all those things are of DARKNESS and proves beyond doubt..by their fruits..that the light has NOT come on inside.

Many can claim they said a prayer that changed them. But did they change?

Their main desire is to beat others over the head with threats of hell in the same way they feel God beat THEM over the head with threats of hell.

This is NOT love it is FORCE.

This is why NO love is shown BY them because NO love was shown TO them.

You can ONLY give what you have recieved.

If what you give is harsh judgment and you hold an elite attitude of "I am saved and THEY will burn" then you are only repeating the mindset of satan who is all about threats and force and blackmail.

God is LOVE and he who DWELLS in love ABIDES in him..IN LOVE..and IN God there is NO DARKNESS AT ALL.

If your entire christian walk is dedicated to telling others they will burn in hell or that they have to cower and cringe and obey laws and do this or that or GOD will get them...then you are preaching darkness because darkness is in fact what you have recieved within and so its all you can give and show without.

But if you let Jesus reign IN you and His love is REAL to you then you could not even THINK about threatening others nor would you have pride and spite.

Jesus said "I am MEEK and LOWLY of heart..LEARN from me"

So few DO..although they THINK they do but their words and their actions betray the true state of whats within.

If what flows OUT of you is darkness then its darkness that reigns within NOT light or LOVE.

Clean and dirty water cannot flow from the same tap.

You cannot say you LOVE God and HATE others. The two do not mix.

You cannot say you have LOVE within if you show PRIDE and spite without. Its only an indicator that NOTHING has changed within you.

This is the reason so many see christians as evil spite filled pride obsessed contentious hypocrites.

Because MOST of them ARE, as they cannot help but show their TRUE nature to the world. The nature of DARKNESS is evident even to those who still dwell in it and who have never met Jesus.

The world judges christians this way because EVIL knows its own. When something comes along that is MORE evil than the world the world sees this and knowing by NATURE the things of darkness is very quick to point it out.

The world LOATHES hypocrites.

So all christians out there reading this please be aware of what you say and do. ARE you being compassionate and loving? Or are you judging and hating and condemning?

Next time you feel like reacting in anger or spite or saying "YOU will BURN IN HELL for having such a veiw" keep in mind the pharisees acted the same way and we all know what Jesus thought of THEM.

Ponder this.
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clappa

I cant understand the whole fear factor

Everything is built on fear, fear of doing wrong, fear of god, fear of sin, lifes a big test to see if you get into heaven if you fail you go to hell, the devils waiting for you at every turn.

If god is all knowing, all powerful, built the world in seven days, named the constellations, knows who I am and what im about to do before I do it, then whats the point of the whole test thing?

Why does he need to test my faith? Surely being god he knows how weak or strong it is already, or he wouldn't be god would he?
When judgement day comes all the good will go to heaven and the bad to hell.
So who are these good people?
Where are they?

In my opinion there are no good people in this world, not 100% good like Jesus wants or the bible says. Every single person on this earth has lied, cheated or done something bad in there life at one time or another.

So it means no one is going to heaven.

I mean like the whole tree apple adam and eve thing, why did god put a tree with this fruit that gives people all this knowledge, then banish them from the garden of eden because they ate from it when it was his fault for putting the tree there in the first place.
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There is no mention of this character "Lilith" in Genesis.

What Bible have you been reading?
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I'm also scratching my head as to where you are making these assertions from about the Bible and the supposed "inconsistencies"?

You regurgitate those people on this board who had no clue what the Bible says or talks about as if you took their words over reading the Bible for yourself.

Perhaps you should actually READ IT?
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I never said Lilith was mentioned in Genesis. Which post are you reading lol. Listen, you know damned well who Lilith is, quit being smarmy.
In fact, you can find her in Isaiah 34:14.
You can find her all over the dead sea scrolls. The book of Moses mentions her over 10 times.
I might also direct you to the Alphabet of Ben Sira where it states Lilith was the first wife of Adam. You know...the one that was made from dirt and Adam rejected??? The same exact story in Genesis you tool shed. When Adam rejects her...as it SAYS in Genesis, God then makes him Eve...from his rib.

Are you serious? You dont know these things when your own Bible states them? Who was Adams first wife then if not Lilith? Does the name even matter anyway? Because Genesis doesnt say specifically her name was Lilith means squat...
Furthermore, as I dont know everything about everything, dont think for a second I dont know about the Bible or what its teachings are. Thats one thing I do know.
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What year is your so called dead sea scrolls written in?
I can answer all your questions easily. But it would still not make you believe that miracles are happening today.

You say that the bible says that God takes the rib from Adam. Correct. But the originals say's God took the "curve" of Adam. What is the curve? It is the DNA.
Your Lilith story is written many years AFTER the originals and written by KENITES to deceive.
And your statement of Isaiah 34:14 is not true and is NOT even in any versions of the King James bible.

As a matter of fact it is quite interesting that you picked Isaiah 34 which talks about Satan's hidden stones, those Kenites, the seed of Satan.
Looks like to me you have watched one to many History channel on TV. lol
I can answer you question about Cain and the land where he went too and how he got his wife. Simply is this. You have listened to the "traditions of mens teachings" from the churchies and you think that is the truth and that is what you base your comments off of.
You talk as if you can read the dead sea scrolls and by what you have written it reveals that you can't.
You are parroting what you heard, not from some serious studies.

I am sure you can blast everyone that does not fall for your Kenite ways.

By the way, the first MAN is not Eth Ha Adam which you think is the Adam in the book of Gen. All races were created on the 6th day. It is the churches that teaches that the bible repeats the 6th day creation of all races and they try to place them in the 8th day creation of God that is "Eth Ha Adam".

And NO all races did not come from Eth Ha Adam and the originals dead sea scrolls which I know you can't read, or other wise you would of had your answers given before you even posted what you have said to us all today.


Lilith, ha ha ha.
Some of us have done our homework and have NOT put their trust in some mans church system. But you have and now you want to bounce around those teachings and claim to be some so called in the know scholar or have it all figured out.

You can play with many on here on glp, but there are some true real scholars that do show up from time to time.

You sir, are deceived by pride and don't even know it. And I am not trying to insult you, but you know in your heart you can't read any dead sea scroll no matter what one you think you are talking about.

Hey, for what it is worth, PEACE.

I am sure there will be no peace from you because of how I have seen you responded to others. You are not seeking truth, you are seeking to blast Christians. So who hurt you so much in your life that you have this blasting attitude about you?
Eth Ha Adam is "The man, The blood line of which Christ came through all the way to Virgin Mary. Virgin Mary was not just a flesh woman virgin, but is from a pure blood line, unlike what the Naphal angels had done in what you read in Gen. chapter 6. Second influx of the fallen angels is written in Gen. chapter 14:5 which the name of the offspring children of "Rapha" is named there. You would of seen that if you really knew how to read the dead sea scrolls. Plus you would of know that the Rephaims in Asheroth were a branch of Nephilim like Anakim after Anak.
Gen. 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that when the SONS OF GOD (angels Naphal angels) came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same become mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Those angels kept coming down over and over to try and destroy the blood line of Christ.
Plus your statement on Josheph was laughable. You do not know the direct seed line of Christ, do you. So there is no confusion, only on your part is there confusion.
The blood line of Christ is NOT Josheph.
You were not serious about your thread. You wanted to blast Christians is all. Then you say, I really want to know.
And here is where you are pulling your thoughts from.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
And they are completely wrong about this subject.
ISHTAR is your Lilith!


So have a nice day and a nice trip.
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So you consider yourself a scholar huh? Well time to goto school and the teacher is in sir.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are not a figment of my imagination. They were found in 1947. They were translated 2 years later. In fact, YES, I can read them as I am fluent in Hebrew, but dont have to because the complete official translation can be bought on Amazon for 5 bucks.

These books arent even questioned by any scholar whatsoever...except you. Their validity has already been proven by both Jewish sects and Christian faiths as well as scientific carbon dating which puts the scrolls at 150BC with some being 67AD.

They are the oldest known surviving documents from that period that survived burning by the Romans. In fact Mr. Scholar, one of the scrolls is a famous "Copper Scrolls" which was originally housed in the original Temple of Jeruselam. Its not even debated....by anyone of any faith, its just proven fact.

Over 40% of the scrolls were books of the Old Testament minus the book of Ezra.

30% of the scrolls are from the Second Temple Period which havent been cannonized as part of the Hebrew Bible.

The rest delved into how rituals were to be performed and such.

None of this is even debatable. Its all just facts a scholar such as yourself ought to know if you are going to speak on a subject.

As for Lilith, why just laugh it off? If God created both man and woman on the sixth day, and then rested the seventh, why in the next "week" does Adam get upset that he has no mate?

Isaiha does mention lilith. You must have the wrong Bible sir. I never post things that arent fact because I am a scholar and I dont study being stupid.

Heres a curve ball for ya.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are the oldest known works by a Christian author found intact TO DATE. Its indisputable.

Out of all 800 found, Jesus' name isnt mentioned once. That seems rather strange seein as the books range from 150 BC to 67 AD. You'd think the person central to the religion would have gotten a nod or two huh?

An even more important question is why are you using a book that was ripped to shreds by a king who lived a few hundred years ago instead of books found daring to the exact time, written by obvious Christians due to the inclusion of hand written Old Testaments??

One poster mentione the possibility that the King James Bible was the "great delusion" spoken about in Revelation. I had always waited on aliens appearing as saviours to be the delusion, but that poster has really blown my mind with that and Im gonna try to jump down that rabbit hole. What a thoery!

Next time you wanna appear scholarly, perhaps pick someone who has less of a handle on a subject. A simple Google search woulda saved you the embarrassment of not knowing about the greatest Christian discovery since....well...Jesus.
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If the Hebrew God wants to throw little old me into a fiery furnace for eternity for no reason other than I can't put my support behind a jealous, vindictive God, then I'm okay with that.

Call me a conscientious objector.

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Very much the problem, you fear not god because you cannot comprehend a god that is not like us.

And it was a Babylonian god that threw the Hebrews into the fiery furnace,

Yeah, so everyone wants a loving god who will not punish evil deeds but approves everything in love. Those who put diffence between light and dark are considered evil... wonder of wonders.
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Here you go OP:

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One more thing to the poster I just replied to.

I didnt trace the bloodlines, the apostles did. In fact, they saw fit to dedicate 5 whole chapters just for it. Dont blame me, blame them.

Your Angel babble about Nephilim an crap has zero to do with the overall discussion, but I'll set you straight on that as well.

Angels have no reproductive organs. They are neither man nor woman nor do they have the powers to change themselves into human forms either. The Bible actually goes through this all Mr.Scholar.

I believe the story goes something like this:

According to the Angels, God seems to love man more than them. They get all upset about it and decide to leave heaven or something similar.

Now how does something with no reproductive organs, nor even human, take a wife and have children?

Beyond that, how is it even possible that the Devil is able to get an Angel...a FRICKING ANGEL OF GOD, to do such a thing? They obviously know whats in store for their transgression right? I mean they watched God create everything in 7 days....

You also mention my thoughts on the subject are brought on by "mens churches". Well buddy, you tell me where I can find me a church ran by anything but a man, and I'll go.

Fact is, we have nothing else to rely on than those Christians (men) that run the churches do we? Jesus says in His Sermon on the Mount that we should trust in the church leaders when he is "at the right hand of God"...meaning, "when im dead and cant talk to you directly, I will do so through the church". Or it does to me anyway.

So should I believe YOU...a MAN...or what your Lord and Saviour says? How can you claim to be Christian while at the same time telling me what to believe as a man?

No worries though...Jesus contradicts that in Revelation by saying,"even those in the church will become theives and liers while blaspheming my name, beware"

What a collosal mind fuck huh? Believe em, dont believe em, believe this, then a few chapters later...no, believe in that. I cant see how anyone could possibly be confused. Pfft.
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You're confusing organized religion with the belief in God.

I cant understand the whole fear factor The fear factor exists because those that were in power knew that inciting fear in the people would make them easier to control. Look at the Patriot Act as an example. Religion was created by man to control the masses by using fear...it has nothing to do with God or the belief in God, God is simply a patsy in this regard

Everything is built on fear, fear of doing wrong, fear of god, fear of sin, lifes a big test to see if you get into heaven if you fail you go to hell, the devils waiting for you at every turn.Again, for control of the masses by those who were in charge

If god is all knowing, all powerful, built the world in seven days, named the constellations, knows who I am and what im about to do before I do it, then whats the point of the whole test thing?You're assuming a literal interpretation of Genesis. The Bible, for the most part, is not a literal story, it is written in allegory. The "day's" referred to in Genesis are NOT literal day's of the week. They are more like phases of evolution. The story of Genesis was written this way because those who wrote it did not know all the nifty technical terms we use today to explain how the universe and planets were born, and even if they did, no one they were telling the story to would have understood what they were saying. So, the Bible was written as an allegorical story using words/terminology that could be understood by the ignorant person.

Why does he need to test my faith? Surely being god he knows how weak or strong it is already, or he wouldn't be god would he?
When judgement day comes all the good will go to heaven and the bad to hell.
So who are these good people?
Where are they?
God is not testing your faith. You have free will. It's your choice what you choose to believe. It's your desire that is testing your faith. You desire to know everything, so you question your faith and when you don't get the answers that you like or want you lose your faith. Heaven and Hell is another creation of man, again for control. "Good" people or "bad" people is a relative term, again created by man for control. People are just people, you can either believe in a Higher Power/Supreme Being/God or don't...your choice. You don't need to/cannot possibly know everything...at some point you just need to have faith. and at this point I think I'd rather have faith than constantly look for reasons not to.

In my opinion there are no good people in this world, not 100% good like Jesus wants or the bible says. Every single person on this earth has lied, cheated or done something bad in there life at one time or another.

So it means no one is going to heaven.

I mean like the whole tree apple adam and eve thing, why did god put a tree with this fruit that gives people all this knowledge, then banish them from the garden of eden because they ate from it when it was his fault for putting the tree there in the first place.
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Honestly, what bad is going to come from believing? Are you afraid you'll starting knocking on doors giving away Bibles or "gasp!" have a positive outlook on life knowing that everything is going to work out in the end? Belief in God has nothing to do with any organized religion, it comes from within yourself. Religion is a great way to meet others that have the same views as yourself and does provide an "expert" view on that particular religion but no one religion is perfect. They have all been created by man in an effort to show you a path to God. Some do this better than others...
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John 20-29 niv

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." We live by faith. Dear brother you remind me of the leader's of old that asked Lord jesus for a sign in the sky. Be he would show them none because he knew thier heart's were hardened. I would suggest trying to talk to him. Go somewhere quiet and with a open heart.

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Having a personal relationship with Jesus is all well and good....providing you actually HAVE one for real.

How can most of the ones who claim they have a personal relationship with the author of love be the most hate filled judgmental callous and hellfire torture breathing ones out there?

The hypocrisy is permeated in every church I have ever been to.

Thinking they are good and holy when they by their words and their action only show they are evil and unholy?.

They sit up on a pedastal and proclaim doom and torture and death as the invention of the Author of Love.

How can this be?

Isnt satan the author of doom and torture and death?

Was it not satan who was the first one to use pride which led to hate?

Then why do so many "Christians" and churches preach pride and hate and doom and death to all who dont follow their interpretation of things?

Isnt that satans way of doing things?

Ive seen thousands of so called "Born again spirit filled" christians hating eachother and everyone else with a hate and vehemence that satan would be very proud of.


Its all about threats of torture in a horrifying dungeon that GOD created. Cant God reach people without having to resort to torture as a threat?

Since when did God get into the blackmail business?

Isnt blackmail and torture SATANS domain?

Isnt it satans tactic to DEMAND people worship him on pain of death?

Isnt it satans wish and plan to MARK everyone on the planet and FORCE people to worship him as god ON PAIN OF DEATH?

Didnt Jesus say that the best way to tell good apart from evil is by its fruits or its results?

So how come the "Born again spirit filled" ones who claim to be full of the love of God preach the very SAME doctrine satan preaches,,,which is..worship ME or DIE?

(And the antichrist can only kill you once..it is said God will keep you alive in agony forever which is far worse)

How can God claim the high ground if he uses the SAME and WORSE tactics..threats..and FEAR that satan uses?

Either satan and god are one and the same being..

OR...

Satan has very cunnungly programmed most christians into accepting God has the right to be exactly what satan is.

A terrifying, megolomaniac, worship demanding, torturing, merciless tyrant.

God CANNOT be that.

So what is the answer?

Jesus was right when he warned of sending a strong delusion.

"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and will all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

"And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Is not what The churches teach and the current doctrine portraying God to be the same or worse than satan is about as deluded as you can get.?

force and fear and control and manipulation are blatant tools of darkness.

So is blackmail.

No one can deny that.

It makes me wonder why it is used so much by christians.

Its taught that good and bad fruit cannot grow on the same tree.

Foul and fresh water cannot flow from the same tap.

So how is LOVE and BLACKMAIL allowed to coexist together in current teachings?

If you have real love dwelling inside you right away you know just what darkness is.

Darkness does not know itself as dark until the light comes on.

Darkness is seen clearly in the bright glare of the light of LOVE.

If you continue in pride and contention and arguments and spite....if you still have a cold hard judgmental attitude towards others who do not agree with you...if you think of God as being a blackmailer and tyrant whos only effective way of gaining followers is to threaten them with torture...sorry to say..but all those things are of DARKNESS and proves beyond doubt..by their fruits..that the light has NOT come on inside.

Many can claim they said a prayer that changed them. But did they change?

Their main desire is to beat others over the head with threats of hell in the same way they feel God beat THEM over the head with threats of hell.

This is NOT love it is FORCE.

This is why NO love is shown BY them because NO love was shown TO them.

You can ONLY give what you have recieved.

If what you give is harsh judgment and you hold an elite attitude of "I am saved and THEY will burn" then you are only repeating the mindset of satan who is all about threats and force and blackmail.

God is LOVE and he who DWELLS in love ABIDES in him..IN LOVE..and IN God there is NO DARKNESS AT ALL.

If your entire christian walk is dedicated to telling others they will burn in hell or that they have to cower and cringe and obey laws and do this or that or GOD will get them...then you are preaching darkness because darkness is in fact what you have recieved within and so its all you can give and show without.

But if you let Jesus reign IN you and His love is REAL to you then you could not even THINK about threatening others nor would you have pride and spite.

Jesus said "I am MEEK and LOWLY of heart..LEARN from me"

So few DO..although they THINK they do but their words and their actions betray the true state of whats within.

If what flows OUT of you is darkness then its darkness that reigns within NOT light or LOVE.

Clean and dirty water cannot flow from the same tap.

You cannot say you LOVE God and HATE others. The two do not mix.

You cannot say you have LOVE within if you show PRIDE and spite without. Its only an indicator that NOTHING has changed within you.

This is the reason so many see christians as evil spite filled pride obsessed contentious hypocrites.

Because MOST of them ARE, as they cannot help but show their TRUE nature to the world. The nature of DARKNESS is evident even to those who still dwell in it and who have never met Jesus.

The world judges christians this way because EVIL knows its own. When something comes along that is MORE evil than the world the world sees this and knowing by NATURE the things of darkness is very quick to point it out.

The world LOATHES hypocrites.

So all christians out there reading this please be aware of what you say and do. ARE you being compassionate and loving? Or are you judging and hating and condemning?

Next time you feel like reacting in anger or spite or saying "YOU will BURN IN HELL for having such a veiw" keep in mind the pharisees acted the same way and we all know what Jesus thought of THEM.

Ponder this.
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This ^^^ very well said, indeed!

As I said earlier, I do not identify myself as 'christian', however, in those words above, I find unity... a common ground upon which much may be built.

Kismet
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So what you are saying is that you love the Love of God? Who doesn't?

The issue is that Love is not the only attribute of God. God Loves but not at the compromising of Justice and Righteousness. Jeremiah 9 expresses it nicely -

"23 Thus saith the Lord, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:

24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the Lord which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the Lord."

Many like the Jesus who talked about loving your neighbor, but don't like the Jesus who talked about dying to self, repenting of unbelief and sin, and the narrow path that FEW would find.

Then there's the Jesus that fed the multitudes and healed the sick, and we like that, but we don't really like the Jesus who calls us to a singular loyalty, who then offended the same people who followed Him looking for more food.

Unity and Common Ground? Jesus wasn't ambiguous about it. He said your devotion to Him should come first, to the extent that your affection for all others, including family, would appear as hate ("to love less than" per the Bible)

It's too bad as it sounds like you've met some "believers" who were unkind and overly judgmental. But it's not they you will have to stand before when you die. Do you think God's Judgment will be less severe? We either stand before Him clothed in Christ's Righteousness or our own.

To be clear, there are some who have driven people away, but there are others who present a false Gospel that calls a sinner to nothing but some higher degree of morality. That is precisely what the Gospel is NOT. No risen Savior is necessary for you to merely act more loving. Any number of religious and philosophical constructs offer that. Pick one. Unless you have the power to take your life back again and raise yourself after you die, I would suggest you get to know someone who does and who can. Jesus didn't come to make bad men good, He came to make dead men alive.
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So should I believe YOU...a MAN...or what your Lord and Saviour says? How can you claim to be Christian while at the same time telling me what to believe as a man?

No worries though...Jesus contradicts that in Revelation by saying,"even those in the church will become theives and liers while blaspheming my name, beware"

What a collosal mind fuck huh? Believe em, dont believe em, believe this, then a few chapters later...no, believe in that. I cant see how anyone could possibly be confused. Pfft.
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Sounds like the Vatican
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can I convince you to watch some mark driscoll youtube vid's to start with.

They are short, to the point and pretty easy to understand.

Once you have digested the messages, ramp up your investigation.

Harvest Family Fellowship in Reno Nevada has a great preacher, listen to his vid's and talks.

He is not a loon, he is easy to listen to, to understand.

Once you have digested these messages.

Move to John MacAuther's teaching.

You have gone from babyfood (driscoll)
Food for a teenager (harvest family fellowship)
to adult food, John macAuther.

This is the way the bible suggests churches teach their worshppers, everyone is not ready for the same message at the same time in a day. Different people are on a different mile marker of the same journey to understanding Jesus, salvation, repentance and the gospel.

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A quick reply to Ted Nugent...didnt wanna copy that whole post again.

I read your post and you brought alot to the table there which makes sense when put like that.

I just wish I had a similar understanding on how to achieve faith. I dont know if I could believe anything on just faith alone. It seems God would make it easy to get to know Him.

Why all the dancing around? Im ready to love. Hell, Im brimming over with love to give. If only He would SHOW me the way to him in a way I can understand rather than vague references of,"you must first believe and then..." or things like "seek and ye shall find" and then offer no real definitive way to seek him.

Back then it appears everyone spoke in parables and in spiritual terms that we in this generation just dont get. I see no point in beating around the bush about things, if I seek, I should find, there were no clauses to this. Its pretty literal and not open to any other translation so how come Im still lost while I seek.

Granted, theres no timeline given for a possible answer to my seeking. So I should just continue seeking on the hopes that one day God will find me worthy of finding?

Arent we all searching for love? If you found someone seeking it, would you not answer their call? Doesnt love COMPEL us to answer love?

As a parent, would you not reply to your child if he were asking for your love or would you hit him with a parable or two and tell him hes just not asking correctly?

Im a parent. My child need ask only once if he wants a hug, kiss, or anything. Is one truly a loving parent if they choose not to guide them when they ask for guidance?

I dont understand all the hide and seek games being played. If I were truly loved, God would do as a parent should and correct me. Theres no need for God to hide from His children is there?

Why create such a beautiful thing as mankind then allow us to be corrupted by evil merely because none of us can figure out what it is we are supposed to be doing? A little clarification seems such a small thing to ask of my parent.
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This Cloud has appeared to Bro. Deckard three times during the course of his ministry.
These pictures have been examined by experts proving their authenticity. When the cloud appears, all manner of healings, miracles, salvation and deliverance comes to those who come in contact with the cloud. The cloud has demonstrated the glory of G-d to such an extent that many of other religions fall on their faces and receive Jesus as their L-rd and Savior.

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Bro. Deckard is a born again Jew that G-d has called to the office of the Prophet. He has established over 160 churches around the world. G-d called him to be a Prophet sent to the nations and Bro. Deckard has prophesied to leaders and nations throughout the world. A few of the Prophesies that G-d gave to Bro. Deckard which have come to pass are as follows:



Prophesied the coming of the AIDs Epidemic 2 years before it was discovered. He told the people that the government would try to cover it up but in the end they would have to reveal it.
Prophesied that Prime Minister Sandiford of Barbados would be resigning from office.
Prophesied that the cold war would end and the Berlin Wall would be no more, 1 year before it took place. He also Prophesied that the threat during the cold war was not Russia; it would come from the Middle East.
Prophesied that the tornado activity in America would become greater than ever before known on record.
Prophesied that old diseases that the world thought had been eradicated would return and that they would become immune to our modern day medicines now being used.
Prophesied the flooding of the great Mississippi River 6 months before it occurred.
Prophesied the coming of the first war with Iraq [Desert Storm], and then prophesied that America would have to go back and finish the job at a later date.
Prophesied the beginning of the European Common Market and the struggle that they would have accomplishing the task.
Prophesied the events of 911 five years before it occurred.
Prophesied that the Islamic religion would become the fastest growing religion in the United States. This was in 1990, and today it is a known fact that this has come to pass.


Bro. Deckard has given signs to every nation that he has stepped foot upon that they might know G-d has sent a Prophet unto them:

Prophesied that the four year drought would be broken in Central Africa three days after he departed from the nation. This occurred exactly as G-d had spoken.
In the Philippines Prophesied that a volcano which had been dormant for 500 years would erupt as a sign that G-d had sent him there. This occurred two years later.
Prophesied in Guyana, South America that flood waters would flow into the drinking water and thousands would become ill. This occurred shortly thereafter.
Prophesied a great drought would come upon the land of Madagascar. This occurred three months later.
These are a few of the Prophecies that Bro. Deckard has been given by G-d.


Prophecy For America

This nation has become a stench in the nostrils of G-d and it is too late to turn His judgment back. G-dís spirit will no longer strive with America and America is in for a long, hard fall. I realize this is not what people want to hear, but this is what the L-rd is saying.

America, prepare thyself to receive the judgments of your G-d. I gave thee of the fatness of the land and put strength within thee to overcome nations and kingdoms. But you now think that it was something that you have done within yourselves to have accomplished these things. Woe unto you and your mighty men of valor. For I the L-rd G-d shall bring to nought your strength and ability to overcome. It is I the L-rd G-d that does bring forth kings and nations and it is I that tears them down. You have become an abomination to me. Your priests and seers are as sleeping dogs that have refused to repent and seek me with a whole heart. They minister for their own gain. I the L-rd G-d will bring them to nought and turn them over to believe a lie. I will cause the storms, earthquakes, and floods to become stronger and more frequent. I will send a sword through the land and will cause families to be at odds one to another, killing and being killed. Tumult will be throughout the land and your streets will run with blood. Famine will I send in the land and you will watch as your children die from hunger. I tried over and over again to reason with you oí nation, but you would have me not. We will now see as you have thought to have become your own god if you can deliver these people in their time of trouble. I will laugh at you and call you a foolish nation. You have forsaken the Living G-d and I have now forsaken you. You will know in the end that I am the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I was in the beginning and so shall I be in the end.

These are not things that are going to take place overnight. It will transpire very slowly as it already has; seemingly as though there has been nothing take place. This nation has become accustomed to all the storms, earthquakes, fires, floods, and everything else that the L-rd has sent to try to get the attention of the church and this nation.

The days that lie ahead for the United States and the world are going to become very trying times. The church is slipping deeper and deeper into a coma from which only a remnant will awaken. It is this remnant that will do the great exploits in these last days.

We must keep the faith and not be drawn into the snare that is now set for all mankind.

The End Time Messenger

June/July 1994



The Church desperately needs to experience once again the unadulterated power of G-d.

The church is once again being transitioned into position for the end-times.

Many of G-dís saints will miss this transition because most of the church is asleep.





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We of Cradle of Hope do believe that Jesus is the Son of Almighty G-d the Father. He came as the Messiah to become once and for all the perfect sacrifice as the Lamb of G-d. He died for all of mankindís sin so that all that come to him would have eternal life. Three days after he died he was raised from the dead and now sits at the right hand side of the Father making intersession for all who have received him. We believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues separate from salvation. We believe in healing, deliverance, miracles, signs and wonders. We believe in the use of the five fold ministry and the function of each of these five offices within the church. We believe in the Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. We believe in the working of the spiritual gifts that Apostle Paul identified in I Corinthians the 12th chapter.

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Having a personal relationship with Jesus is all well and good....providing you actually HAVE one for real.

How can most of the ones who claim they have a personal relationship with the author of love be the most hate filled judgmental callous and hellfire torture breathing ones out there?

The hypocrisy is permeated in every church I have ever been to.

Thinking they are good and holy when they by their words and their action only show they are evil and unholy?.

They sit up on a pedastal and proclaim doom and torture and death as the invention of the Author of Love.

How can this be?

Isnt satan the author of doom and torture and death?

Was it not satan who was the first one to use pride which led to hate?

Then why do so many "Christians" and churches preach pride and hate and doom and death to all who dont follow their interpretation of things?

Isnt that satans way of doing things?

Ive seen thousands of so called "Born again spirit filled" christians hating eachother and everyone else with a hate and vehemence that satan would be very proud of.


Its all about threats of torture in a horrifying dungeon that GOD created. Cant God reach people without having to resort to torture as a threat?

Since when did God get into the blackmail business?

Isnt blackmail and torture SATANS domain?

Isnt it satans tactic to DEMAND people worship him on pain of death?

Isnt it satans wish and plan to MARK everyone on the planet and FORCE people to worship him as god ON PAIN OF DEATH?

Didnt Jesus say that the best way to tell good apart from evil is by its fruits or its results?

So how come the "Born again spirit filled" ones who claim to be full of the love of God preach the very SAME doctrine satan preaches,,,which is..worship ME or DIE?

(And the antichrist can only kill you once..it is said God will keep you alive in agony forever which is far worse)

How can God claim the high ground if he uses the SAME and WORSE tactics..threats..and FEAR that satan uses?

Either satan and god are one and the same being..

OR...

Satan has very cunnungly programmed most christians into accepting God has the right to be exactly what satan is.

A terrifying, megolomaniac, worship demanding, torturing, merciless tyrant.

God CANNOT be that.

So what is the answer?

Jesus was right when he warned of sending a strong delusion.

"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and will all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

"And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Is not what The churches teach and the current doctrine portraying God to be the same or worse than satan is about as deluded as you can get.?

force and fear and control and manipulation are blatant tools of darkness.

So is blackmail.

No one can deny that.

It makes me wonder why it is used so much by christians.

Its taught that good and bad fruit cannot grow on the same tree.

Foul and fresh water cannot flow from the same tap.

So how is LOVE and BLACKMAIL allowed to coexist together in current teachings?

If you have real love dwelling inside you right away you know just what darkness is.

Darkness does not know itself as dark until the light comes on.

Darkness is seen clearly in the bright glare of the light of LOVE.

If you continue in pride and contention and arguments and spite....if you still have a cold hard judgmental attitude towards others who do not agree with you...if you think of God as being a blackmailer and tyrant whos only effective way of gaining followers is to threaten them with torture...sorry to say..but all those things are of DARKNESS and proves beyond doubt..by their fruits..that the light has NOT come on inside.

Many can claim they said a prayer that changed them. But did they change?

Their main desire is to beat others over the head with threats of hell in the same way they feel God beat THEM over the head with threats of hell.

This is NOT love it is FORCE.

This is why NO love is shown BY them because NO love was shown TO them.

You can ONLY give what you have recieved.

If what you give is harsh judgment and you hold an elite attitude of "I am saved and THEY will burn" then you are only repeating the mindset of satan who is all about threats and force and blackmail.

God is LOVE and he who DWELLS in love ABIDES in him..IN LOVE..and IN God there is NO DARKNESS AT ALL.

If your entire christian walk is dedicated to telling others they will burn in hell or that they have to cower and cringe and obey laws and do this or that or GOD will get them...then you are preaching darkness because darkness is in fact what you have recieved within and so its all you can give and show without.

But if you let Jesus reign IN you and His love is REAL to you then you could not even THINK about threatening others nor would you have pride and spite.

Jesus said "I am MEEK and LOWLY of heart..LEARN from me"

So few DO..although they THINK they do but their words and their actions betray the true state of whats within.

If what flows OUT of you is darkness then its darkness that reigns within NOT light or LOVE.

Clean and dirty water cannot flow from the same tap.

You cannot say you LOVE God and HATE others. The two do not mix.

You cannot say you have LOVE within if you show PRIDE and spite without. Its only an indicator that NOTHING has changed within you.

This is the reason so many see christians as evil spite filled pride obsessed contentious hypocrites.

Because MOST of them ARE, as they cannot help but show their TRUE nature to the world. The nature of DARKNESS is evident even to those who still dwell in it and who have never met Jesus.

The world judges christians this way because EVIL knows its own. When something comes along that is MORE evil than the world the world sees this and knowing by NATURE the things of darkness is very quick to point it out.

The world LOATHES hypocrites.

So all christians out there reading this please be aware of what you say and do. ARE you being compassionate and loving? Or are you judging and hating and condemning?

Next time you feel like reacting in anger or spite or saying "YOU will BURN IN HELL for having such a veiw" keep in mind the pharisees acted the same way and we all know what Jesus thought of THEM.

Ponder this.
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This ^^^ very well said, indeed!

As I said earlier, I do not identify myself as 'christian', however, in those words above, I find unity... a common ground upon which much may be built.

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So what you are saying is that you love the Love of God? Who doesn't?

The issue is that Love is not the only attribute of God. God Loves but not at the compromising of Justice and Righteousness. Jeremiah 9 expresses it nicely -

"23 Thus saith the Lord, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:

24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the Lord which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the Lord."

Many like the Jesus who talked about loving your neighbor, but don't like the Jesus who talked about dying to self, repenting of unbelief and sin, and the narrow path that FEW would find.

Then there's the Jesus that fed the multitudes and healed the sick, and we like that, but we don't really like the Jesus who calls us to a singular loyalty, who then offended the same people who followed Him looking for more food.

Unity and Common Ground? Jesus wasn't ambiguous about it. He said your devotion to Him should come first, to the extent that your affection for all others, including family, would appear as hate ("to love less than" per the Bible)

It's too bad as it sounds like you've met some "believers" who were unkind and overly judgmental. But it's not they you will have to stand before when you die. Do you think God's Judgment will be less severe? We either stand before Him clothed in Christ's Righteousness or our own.

To be clear, there are some who have driven people away, but there are others who present a false Gospel that calls a sinner to nothing but some higher degree of morality. That is precisely what the Gospel is NOT. No risen Savior is necessary for you to merely act more loving. Any number of religious and philosophical constructs offer that. Pick one. Unless you have the power to take your life back again and raise yourself after you die, I would suggest you get to know someone who does and who can. Jesus didn't come to make bad men good, He came to make dead men alive.
 Quoting: Ted Nougat 1531479


LOVE IS NOT AN "ATTIBUTE" OF GOD.

IT IS WHAT HE ACTUALLY IS!!!

Just like YOU are HUMAN..its NOT an "ATTRIBUTE" you have..its WHAT YOU ACTUALLY ARE.

Find ust ONE VERSE that says

God IS..JUSTICE

........WRATH


........MERCY


........COMPASSION



THOSE are ATTRIBUTES.

BUT LOVE...

There are LOTS of verses that say..HE IS LOVE..as in..ITS WHAT he actually IS!

PROVE ME WRONG!

JUST ONE verse that says GOD IS..(ANYTHING BUT LOVE)
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^^ Love is an imaginary construct of man. A symbol that stands for a wide range of indescribable sensations that come over the human body.

How can God be reduced to a mere symbol?
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If God was anything, he should be labeled "Everything", for that's what he is.

God is you, and He is me.

He is everything, both good and evil.
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OP - If you are still around, I'll give you the answer, but I'm not going to type out a bunch of stuff if you've already fled the coop.

Are you still there?
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Hi OP, I have often wondered myself the very same thing! hf

It is very difficult to see evidence of God in this world without faith.

With faith, however, one's world view changes.

I didn't experience any miracles or signs of God in my life until I made the first effort to talk to God.

I said an "Our Father" each night before I went to bed and asked God to speak to me or else. I also said it wasn't fair. I figured "what have I got to lose?" If there is no God, the words don't mean anything, but if there is a God, at least I will have done that much and God wouldn't be able to say I didn't try.

Well, I ended up getting an answer, and then some.... maybe you will too.

Blessings and peace to you on your journey! hf

Our Father Who Art in Heaven
Hallowed be Thy Name
Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done
On earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive those who trespass against us
And lead us not into temptation
But deliver us from evil
Amen
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If everything comes from God, then everything is a part of God. This includes the "devil" "evil" "suffering" ect.

It is all part of God, for it is his creation.

Man does not create anything, for if man was truly in control, then God would never intervene, now or in the future.
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^^ Love is an imaginary construct of man. A symbol that stands for a wide range of indescribable sensations that come over the human body.

How can God be reduced to a mere symbol?
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Imaginary? So you're insinuating 'love' does not exist then?

'Love' is a word used to describe a state of consciousness. A feeling, an emotion. Language is limiting so never could a single word be relied upon to sufficiently explain/describe a very complex array of emotions which can encompass such a conceptualization.

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger"
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I prayed to God one night....

"Please God, let this coin come up as tails."

Low and behold it came up tails....

It was from then on I became a true believer.


Correlation does not equal causation.

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