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Did Israel create Hamas? Are the rockets being fired into Israel a false flag op?

 
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Did Israel create Hamas? Are the rockets being fired into Israel a false flag op?
I've heard these accusations on other websites. Just wondering what everyone here thinks about it. Essentially the idea is that Israel created Hamas, in much the same way that the U.S. created Al Qeada, to commit false flag operations against it's own citizens in order to justify its aggression against the Palestinians.
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I don't think so, but I do think it's possible that the rockets are not always Hamas.
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I don't think...
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Yup
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I've heard these accusations on other websites. Just wondering what everyone here thinks about it. Essentially the idea is that Israel created Hamas, in much the same way that the U.S. created Al Qeada, to commit false flag operations against it's own citizens in order to justify its aggression against the Palestinians.
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Of course not! gods chosen people would NEVER do such a heinous thing!
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I think if you doubt everything, and don't believe anything presented to you as truth it will drive you insane.
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I was thinking the same thing...Seems like their M.O.
" It`s only weird the first time" ;p
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Fuck Off you stupid dumb Fucking Idiot with your Stupid Fucking False Flag Crap.

Go get a life fool. You have the intelligence of a worm and the imagination of a sloth. That doesn't even make sense you dumb Fuck. Get a life.
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Instead of assuming, or possibly believing that they created Hamas, why don't you go look it up?

There are TONS of historical records on the net that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israel did, in fact, create Hamas.
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Instead of assuming, or possibly believing that they created Hamas, why don't you go look it up?

There are TONS of historical records on the net that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israel did, in fact, create Hamas.
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I put no stock in books, sir, I shoot from the gut.
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Fuck Off you stupid dumb Fucking Idiot with your Stupid Fucking False Flag Crap.

Go get a life fool. You have the intelligence of a worm and the imagination of a sloth. That doesn't even make sense you dumb Fuck. Get a life.
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Is this a serious response?

If so, calm down, you're slobbering all over your keyboard.
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I've heard these accusations on other websites. Just wondering what everyone here thinks about it. Essentially the idea is that Israel created Hamas, in much the same way that the U.S. created Al Qeada, to commit false flag operations against it's own citizens in order to justify its aggression against the Palestinians.
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Yes and yes. Just look at history.
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Answer to the first question: surely YES

Answer to the second question: Maybe...
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Instead of assuming, or possibly believing that they created Hamas, why don't you go look it up?

There are TONS of historical records on the net that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israel did, in fact, create Hamas.
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I put no stock in books, sir, I shoot from the gut.
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Official, declassified documents, jackass.

Learn to read and you won't be on GLP asking stupid fucking questions.
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Trust Abbas.

Fuck Hamas.

Hamas is a Mossad psy-ops.
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Instead of assuming, or possibly believing that they created Hamas, why don't you go look it up?

There are TONS of historical records on the net that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israel did, in fact, create Hamas.
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I put no stock in books, sir, I shoot from the gut.
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Official, declassified documents, jackass.

Learn to read and you won't be on GLP asking stupid fucking questions.
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Lighten up Corky, I was just kidding.
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Instead of assuming, or possibly believing that they created Hamas, why don't you go look it up?

There are TONS of historical records on the net that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israel did, in fact, create Hamas.
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I put no stock in books, sir, I shoot from the gut.
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Official, declassified documents, jackass.

Learn to read and you won't be on GLP asking stupid fucking questions.
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Lighten up Corky, I was just kidding.
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You're obviously not kidding because any idiot would know the answer to your question with even the smallest understanding of the ME if he would just use his fucking eyes to read facts.

Don't be a dumbass all your life.

Educate yourself.
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OP is correct.
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I put no stock in books, sir, I shoot from the gut.
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Official, declassified documents, jackass.

Learn to read and you won't be on GLP asking stupid fucking questions.
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Lighten up Corky, I was just kidding.
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You're obviously not kidding because any idiot would know the answer to your question with even the smallest understanding of the ME if he would just use his fucking eyes to read facts.

Don't be a dumbass all your life.

Educate yourself.
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I meant I was joking about the "I put no stock in books" line. WRT to this thread, I already believe the answer to both the questions to be "yes" (though I admit I don't know this for certain). I was just trying to start a conversation. You say there are declassified documents PROVING that Israel created Hamas, instead of insulting me wouldn't it be more productive to maybe post a link?
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Fuck Off you stupid dumb Fucking Idiot with your Stupid Fucking False Flag Crap.

Go get a life fool. You have the intelligence of a worm and the imagination of a sloth. That doesn't even make sense you dumb Fuck. Get a life.
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Satan - can AC5883963 come out to play?
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OP IS RIGHT


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I think if you doubt everything, and don't believe anything presented to you as truth it will drive you insane.
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^ the right way to use sarcasm
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I think if you doubt everything, and don't believe anything presented to you as truth it will drive you insane.
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^ the right way to use sarcasm
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It was a good line, I don't see the sarcasm though.
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I think if you doubt everything, and don't believe anything presented to you as truth it will drive you insane.
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^ the right way to use sarcasm
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It was a good line, I don't see the sarcasm though.
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The AC is saying that anyone who does not believe what they are told by say the MSM or Obama or Romney or your pastor...well you must be insane if you do not just accept what these and every trusted figure tells you. Be good sheeple and believe what you are told. If it is not sarcasm then it is shilling, so I gave the benefit of the doubt because I want to believe the best about people.
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I've heard these accusations on other websites. Just wondering what everyone here thinks about it. Essentially the idea is that Israel created Hamas, in much the same way that the U.S. created Al Qeada, to commit false flag operations against it's own citizens in order to justify its aggression against the Palestinians.
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This is such a bogus claim. Would you create a monster that could kill you when its hungry? Islam has a fundamental Jew hatred problem going on for centuries now. Its in the Quran. That muslims should never trust Jews, never make friends with them and kill them. This is what motivates Hamas and other blood thirsty demons from hell who call themselves muslims.

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I've heard these accusations on other websites. Just wondering what everyone here thinks about it. Essentially the idea is that Israel created Hamas, in much the same way that the U.S. created Al Qeada, to commit false flag operations against it's own citizens in order to justify its aggression against the Palestinians.
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The Israeli Nightmare: Peace in Israel is the establishment's worst nightmare

By Tony Cartalucci
November 10, 2012

Israel is an excuse, a mandate, a perpetual casus belli, and both an ideological as well as literal beachhead in the Middle East. Created and propped up by the West, in particular the US and United Kingdom, it has served as the medium through which Western foreign policy flows in and out of the Arab, and to a greater extent, the Muslim World.

It is through a carefully cultivated strategy of tension that this perpetual casus belli is maintained. Without the constant perceived fear of Israel’s demise and the “moral imperative” to prevent it, real or imagined, it would be difficult to justify Western involvement in nations that otherwise pose no perceivable threat to America or Europe. A “clash of civilizations” is likewise being created within the West itself to augment this paradigm, but it has yet to “come of age,” and still depends heavily on Israeli-Arab tensions to sustain itself.

Image: Israel does not bulldoze homes because it thinks it will eventually eliminate its enemies by doing so. To maintain a perpetual strategy of tension to justify perpetual meddling by neo-colonialists in the Middle East, Israel bulldozes homes specifically to create more enemies. To think otherwise, would be to falsely assume Israel’s current leadership is actually invested in the self-preservation of the nation-state. They are not.

….
It is clearly in the best interests of Western corporate-financiers seeking to remain involved in the Middle East and reassert hegemony over the region, to keep this strategy of tension viable and as heated as possible. The policies of Israel are so ham-handedly provocative, it is surprising that more people do not see the truth behind them – that Israel’s heavy-handed belligerence is a calculated decision to keep the tension ratcheted up as high as possible. For what other reason could a nation-state want to deliberately, slowly, and systematically bulldoze the homes of impoverished men, women, and children? Self-preservation by eliminating it enemies? Or the perpetual creation of new enemies?

It is not just a theory that the West and Israel purposefully cultivate and exploit the hatred incurred by their calculated, blatantly provocative policies.

Like a dam straddling a river, the force of tension against the dam produces energy from which those who constructed it, benefit. The hatred, fear, and violence perpetuated between the Jewish people and their perceived enemies has been a prominent driving force behind Wall Street and London’s century-long campaign of invasion, occupation, subversion, and exploitation across the Muslim World.

A recent example of this was using regional hatred toward Israel to implement the opening phases of the US-engineered “Arab Spring.” Because any regime Israel feigned support for would be instantly poisoned by a political “touch of death,” Israel openly and oafishly feigned support for Egypt’s president, Hosni Mubarak, claiming it had sent weapons and riot control gear to assist his government in suppressing “anti-American/anti-Israeli” protesters. In reality, the protests in Egypt’s streets were planned years in advance, beginning as early as 2008 in New York City by confabs organized by the US State Department.

In essence, the West and Israel played people’s emotional persuasions like a fiddle, and executed one of the most profound geopolitical re-orderings in recent history.

The same ploy would be used against Libyan leader, Muammar Qaddafi. Qaddafi was accused of being “Jewish,” hiring Israeli mercenaries, using Israeli weapons, and of any other conceivable link imaginable to likewise inflict him with the “touch of death” incurred by this strategy of tension. And perhaps the most absurd example of all, were early attempts to use the same tactic against Syria, exemplified best in Hareetz of Israel’s op-ed titled “Israel’s Favorite Arab Dictator of All is Assad.”

None of these ploys would have worked, had Israel and its Western-sponsors not maintained seething hatred against themselves throughout the world.

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I recall listening to NPR some years back, and there was a show discussing Israel/Palestine issues.

A rabbi called in and brought up the fact that Israel created Hamas. The hosts cut him off and completely changed the subject.
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I've heard these accusations on other websites. Just wondering what everyone here thinks about it. Essentially the idea is that Israel created Hamas, in much the same way that the U.S. created Al Qeada, to commit false flag operations against it's own citizens in order to justify its aggression against the Palestinians.
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Hamas is a Creation of Mossad

by Hassane Zerouky

Global Outlook, No 2, Summer 2002
www.globalresearch.ca 23 March 2004
The URL of this article is: [link to globalresearch.ca]

Thanks to the Mossad, Israel's "Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks", the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat's Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation

Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".



Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement. .According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), "The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority" in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza. "They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad."

The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an "Islamic University" in Gaza. "The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza." At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad (Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks) , the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression.

In 1984, Ahmed Yassin was arrested and condemned to twelve years in prison, after the discovery of a hidden arms cache. But one year later, he was set free and resumed his activities. And when the Intifada (‘uprising’) began, in October 1987, which took the Islamists by surprise, Sheik Yassin responded by creating the Hamas (The Islamic Resistance Movement): "God is our beginning, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution", proclaims article 7 of the charter of the organization.

Ahmed Yassin was in prison when, the Oslo accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government) were signed in September 1993. The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.

The Hamas then launched a carefully timed campaign of attacks against civilians, one day before the meeting between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators, regarding the formal recognition of Israel by the National Palestinian Council. These events were largely instrumental in the formation of a Right wing Israeli government following the May 1996 elections.

Quite unexpectedly, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered Sheik Ahmed Yassin to be released from prison ("on humanitarian grounds") where he was serving a life sentence. Meanwhile, Netanyahu, together with President Bill Clinton, was putting pressure on Arafat to control the Hamas. In fact, Netanyahu knew that he could rely, once more, on the Islamists to sabotage the Oslo accords. Worse still: after having expelled Yassin to Jordan, Prime Minister Netanyahu allowed him to return to Gaza, where he was welcomed triumphantly as a hero in October 1997.

Arafat was helpless in the face of these events. Moreover, because he had supported Saddam Hussein during the1991 Gulf war, (while the Hamas had cautiously abstained from taking sides), the Gulf states decided to cut off their financing of the Palestinian Authority. Meanwhile, between February and April 1998, Sheik Ahmad Yassin was able to raise several hundred million dollars, from those same countries. The the budget of The Hamas was said to be greater than that of the Palestinian Authority. These new sources of funding enabled the Islamists to effectively pursue their various charitable activities. It is estimated that one Palestinian out of three is the recipient of financial aid from the Hamas. And in this regard, Israel has done nothing to curb the inflow of money into the occupied territories.

The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Ariel Sharon, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.

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During the cold war, Mossad fostered Hamas to counter the Soviet backed PLO.


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I've heard these accusations on other websites. Just wondering what everyone here thinks about it. Essentially the idea is that Israel created Hamas, in much the same way that the U.S. created Al Qeada, to commit false flag operations against it's own citizens in order to justify its aggression against the Palestinians.
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The Israeli Nightmare: Peace in Israel is the establishment's worst nightmare

By Tony Cartalucci
November 10, 2012

Israel is an excuse, a mandate, a perpetual casus belli, and both an ideological as well as literal beachhead in the Middle East. Created and propped up by the West, in particular the US and United Kingdom, it has served as the medium through which Western foreign policy flows in and out of the Arab, and to a greater extent, the Muslim World.

It is through a carefully cultivated strategy of tension that this perpetual casus belli is maintained. Without the constant perceived fear of Israel’s demise and the “moral imperative” to prevent it, real or imagined, it would be difficult to justify Western involvement in nations that otherwise pose no perceivable threat to America or Europe. A “clash of civilizations” is likewise being created within the West itself to augment this paradigm, but it has yet to “come of age,” and still depends heavily on Israeli-Arab tensions to sustain itself.

Image: Israel does not bulldoze homes because it thinks it will eventually eliminate its enemies by doing so. To maintain a perpetual strategy of tension to justify perpetual meddling by neo-colonialists in the Middle East, Israel bulldozes homes specifically to create more enemies. To think otherwise, would be to falsely assume Israel’s current leadership is actually invested in the self-preservation of the nation-state. They are not.

….
It is clearly in the best interests of Western corporate-financiers seeking to remain involved in the Middle East and reassert hegemony over the region, to keep this strategy of tension viable and as heated as possible. The policies of Israel are so ham-handedly provocative, it is surprising that more people do not see the truth behind them – that Israel’s heavy-handed belligerence is a calculated decision to keep the tension ratcheted up as high as possible. For what other reason could a nation-state want to deliberately, slowly, and systematically bulldoze the homes of impoverished men, women, and children? Self-preservation by eliminating it enemies? Or the perpetual creation of new enemies?

It is not just a theory that the West and Israel purposefully cultivate and exploit the hatred incurred by their calculated, blatantly provocative policies.

Like a dam straddling a river, the force of tension against the dam produces energy from which those who constructed it, benefit. The hatred, fear, and violence perpetuated between the Jewish people and their perceived enemies has been a prominent driving force behind Wall Street and London’s century-long campaign of invasion, occupation, subversion, and exploitation across the Muslim World.

A recent example of this was using regional hatred toward Israel to implement the opening phases of the US-engineered “Arab Spring.” Because any regime Israel feigned support for would be instantly poisoned by a political “touch of death,” Israel openly and oafishly feigned support for Egypt’s president, Hosni Mubarak, claiming it had sent weapons and riot control gear to assist his government in suppressing “anti-American/anti-Israeli” protesters. In reality, the protests in Egypt’s streets were planned years in advance, beginning as early as 2008 in New York City by confabs organized by the US State Department.

In essence, the West and Israel played people’s emotional persuasions like a fiddle, and executed one of the most profound geopolitical re-orderings in recent history.

The same ploy would be used against Libyan leader, Muammar Qaddafi. Qaddafi was accused of being “Jewish,” hiring Israeli mercenaries, using Israeli weapons, and of any other conceivable link imaginable to likewise inflict him with the “touch of death” incurred by this strategy of tension. And perhaps the most absurd example of all, were early attempts to use the same tactic against Syria, exemplified best in Hareetz of Israel’s op-ed titled “Israel’s Favorite Arab Dictator of All is Assad.”

None of these ploys would have worked, had Israel and its Western-sponsors not maintained seething hatred against themselves throughout the world.

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Thanks for posting this, it puts a whole different spin on this subject for me.
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I've heard these accusations on other websites. Just wondering what everyone here thinks about it. Essentially the idea is that Israel created Hamas, in much the same way that the U.S. created Al Qeada, to commit false flag operations against it's own citizens in order to justify its aggression against the Palestinians.
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