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Anonymous Coward User ID: 25663025 Canada 11/19/2012 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And they've been hiding that fact in plain sight every since. It's frightening to know that there are people who know what we are going to think before we think it. It's even more disconcerting to know that they use their knowledge to do evil before our very eyes and convince the masses that they're not seeing what they obviously saw. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 20943498 United States 11/19/2012 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And they've been hiding that fact in plain sight every since. It's frightening to know that there are people who know what we are going to think before we think it. It's even more disconcerting to know that they use their knowledge to do evil before our very eyes and convince the masses that they're not seeing what they obviously saw. It's a funny world we're living in, ain't it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25663025 Canada 11/19/2012 08:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And they've been hiding that fact in plain sight every since. It's frightening to know that there are people who know what we are going to think before we think it. It's even more disconcerting to know that they use their knowledge to do evil before our very eyes and convince the masses that they're not seeing what they obviously saw. It's a funny world we're living in, ain't it. Hilarious! I will say this though: Nothing easier in this world than to deceive a deceiver. It's their achilles heel. |
bendinglight User ID: 2143478 United States 11/19/2012 08:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And they've been hiding that fact in plain sight every since. It's frightening to know that there are people who know what we are going to think before we think it. It's even more disconcerting to know that they use their knowledge to do evil before our very eyes and convince the masses that they're not seeing what they obviously saw. It's a funny world we're living in, ain't it. Hilarious! I will say this though: Nothing easier in this world than to deceive a deceiver. It's their achilles heel. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 610727 Australia 11/19/2012 08:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought someone had bumped a 2005 thread or something. 911 conspiracy topic has been closed for years because it is at the point where everyone has reached a conclusion on it (be it fact-based or fantasy-based), and they're not about to change their minds now. People don't like to learn they have been wrong for years, so they stick to it with religious fervor. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 20943498 United States 11/20/2012 07:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought someone had bumped a 2005 thread or something. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 610727 911 conspiracy topic has been closed for years because it is at the point where everyone has reached a conclusion on it (be it fact-based or fantasy-based), and they're not about to change their minds now. People don't like to learn they have been wrong for years, so they stick to it with religious fervor. 9/11 religion bump |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 25450407 United States 03/30/2013 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | fwiw: The 767 max weight is 50,000 pounds HIGHER than the max weight of the 707. The WTC buildings DID withstand the planes crashing into them!! In that respect the design was very robust and exceeded it's design goals. What caused the collapse is the same thing that almost caused the collapse of the Prudential Tower in Philidelphia a few years before ... fire weakening the structural steel supporting the floor above the fire. In the Prudential building situation on the floors above the fire the sprinkler system remained functional and when it kicked on it dampened down the fire and ended up controlling them. Even with that the upper floors started to buckle and the building ended up with a 6 to 12 foot sideways cant to it (if I am recalling the engineering reports correctly) once the fire was extinguished. ------------------------- 707-120B - Operating empty 55,589kg (122,533lb), max takeoff 116,575kg (257,000lb). 707-320B - Empty 66,406kg (146,400lb), max takeoff 151,315kg (333,600lb). [link to www.airliners.net] 767-200 - Empty with JT9Ds 74,752kg (164,800lb), with CF6s 74,344kg (163,900lb). Operating empty with JT9Ds 80,920kg (178,400lb), with CF6s 80,510kg (177,500lb). Max takeoff 136,078kg (300,000lb), medium range max takeoff 142,881kg (315,000lb). 767-200ER - Empty with PW4056s 76,566kg (168,800lb), with CF680C2B4s 76,476kg (168,600lb), operating empty with PW4056s 84,415kg (186,100lb), with CF680C2B4Fs 84,370kg (186,000lb). Max takeoff with PW4056s or CF680C2B4Fs 175,540kg (387,000lb). [link to www.airliners.net] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15022013 Netherlands 03/30/2013 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I sat next to an architect on a flight back to Europe that was asked in the early 70's, by the World Trade Center architects to check out the metal they were using. (This guy was also an expert on materials, namely buildings, withstanding airplane and other extreme impacts, like storms.) He handed it back to them and said something like, "glad I'm not using that on my sky scrappers, this will not withstand massive stress." He said he saw that architect again a few years after 9/11. All he said to him was, "you were right." And walked away. |
M1.618 User ID: 35747086 United States 03/30/2013 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I sat next to an architect on a flight back to Europe that was asked in the early 70's, by the World Trade Center architects to check out the metal they were using. (This guy was also an expert on materials, namely buildings, withstanding airplane and other extreme impacts, like storms.) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15022013 He handed it back to them and said something like, "glad I'm not using that on my sky scrappers, this will not withstand massive stress." He said he saw that architect again a few years after 9/11. All he said to him was, "you were right." And walked away. It is an engineer who calculates the structural design and dynamic load. They are separate disciplines. I have worked around the globe in construction throughout the better part of my life. I have met very few architects with the ability to do both as I have met few artists - painters that are able to formulate the base colours that they paint with. It seems the engineering that is at fault, although design has synergy with the overall structural integrity. It is not the architects stamp on the prints rather the engineers. Please quantify how the guy you met on the plane knew what he was talking about and how you came to your conclusion. wmMmw |
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Folklore User ID: 35872333 United States 03/30/2013 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ya I seen that in the movie loose change. The buildings did fall in a way that they should if it was demolition. Plus they found the residue all over ground zero. Then there is the whole building 7 Thing. It's pretty obvious like most other truths we can do nothing about cuz most of our population doesn't care and just wants to hate middle eastern Muslims. |
Folklore User ID: 35872333 United States 03/30/2013 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought someone had bumped a 2005 thread or something. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 610727 911 conspiracy topic has been closed for years because it is at the point where everyone has reached a conclusion on it (be it fact-based or fantasy-based), and they're not about to change their minds now. People don't like to learn they have been wrong for years, so they stick to it with religious fervor. 9/11 religion bump Honestly I believed the governments BS till about 2008 or 2009. People are still starting to wake up on this. I think this thing shouldn't be buried under the rug because the conspiracy veterans already drew their conclusion. Thanks OP for keeping this topic alive. And just a reminder 9/11 was a huge deal just In case you forgot. |
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watchZEITGEISTnow User ID: 37155613 Australia 03/30/2013 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did they ever find the architect that went missing soon after 911? NASA Moon - Mars - Saturn ANOMALIES: [link to www.youtube.com] |
JH2345 User ID: 37138529 United States 03/30/2013 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dimitri Khalezov - WTC Nuclear Demolition [Complete / Full Length] Dimitri Khazelov describes in 4 Hour documentary that WTC towers were collapsed by Nuclear Demolition Charges. Click on the link..... [link to m.youtube.com] JH2345 |