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Is Old Testament God EVIL demigod?

 
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Is Old Testament God EVIL demigod?
For some reason I have never felt that the God in Old Testament would be good force. His energy and teachings - and many followers - feel like they would be evil or at least very selfish beings. Like people of Israel for example.

Anyone else get the same vibes?
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He is the Father of Jesus Christ.iamwith
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He is the Father of Jesus Christ.iamwith
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But what does that make Jesus then? ... Son of evil demigod?


No, that I don't think so. Jesus was son of God as much as we all are. But what made him special was that he remembered his divine origins.

But the God worshipped in OT is not the God of love. The Source, the real God is above all rules and there is no such thing as sin or hell. Those are just man made fear based systems to make us obey and stay in leash.

I know since the real God of love has spoken to me. And He said:
God is love and love is God.
Trust your heart, that is my temple - not any building made of stone - and fear not,
There is no end.
There is only love for those ready to accept their divine origins.
Namaste and Amen.
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No, Jesus is God as man. God didn't experience what it was to be man, until then. The old testament was very "why won't you listen to me stubborn children?" and the new testament is "Oh, I get it, y'all are fucked up, I forgive ya."
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The Gnostics were onto something similar with the idea that Ialdabaoth, a lesser deity who created the physical universe, was malevolent, whereas the Creator of everything was still good.
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Sigh, the God of the Old Testament was more like a natural force, like thunder or hurricane, that we don't understand why it strikes us or not.

Humans are so stupid, and their belief that they are not is the most ridiculous belief. As Wesley sez'd "Bring me a worm that can comprehend a man, and then I will show you a man that can comprehend the triune God."
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He is the Father of Jesus Christ.iamwith
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He IS Jesus Christ
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Re: Is Old Testament God EVIL demigod?
Sigh, the God of the Old Testament was more like a natural force, like thunder or hurricane, that we don't understand why it strikes us or not.

Humans are so stupid, and their belief that they are not is the most ridiculous belief. As Wesley sez'd "Bring me a worm that can comprehend a man, and then I will show you a man that can comprehend the triune God."
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The TRINITY is not difficult to understand.
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No, Jesus is God as man. God didn't experience what it was to be man, until then. The old testament was very "why won't you listen to me stubborn children?" and the new testament is "Oh, I get it, y'all are fucked up, I forgive ya."
 Quoting: overwhatshername

Wrong.Jesus stated that no one has seen the Father except Him.Yet many saw Yahweh of OT.Everything Jesus claimed to be so does Yahweh.The Book of Jude in Greek states that it was KYRIOS (Jesus) that took the children of Israel from Egypt and sent in the plagues.
When the OT says the WORD OF GOD came to Jeremiah or daniel etc who came?jesus IS the Word so if the Word came then it must have been Jesus.Jesus is the God of the OT.
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Sigh, the God of the Old Testament was more like a natural force, like thunder or hurricane, that we don't understand why it strikes us or not.

Humans are so stupid, and their belief that they are not is the most ridiculous belief. As Wesley sez'd "Bring me a worm that can comprehend a man, and then I will show you a man that can comprehend the triune God."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27848208

The TRINITY is not difficult to understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13813766


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Now that I think about it, I believe we shouldn't condemn the Old Testament God as evil.

You see, I believe that, despite the fact that He is guilty of multiple counts of genocide, murder, incitement, moral turpitude, and many, many, other offenses... with enough patience and a well thought-out rehabilitation plan, we can truly civilize Yahweh and turn Him into a productive and moral citizen of a 21st century society.
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Sigh, the God of the Old Testament was more like a natural force, like thunder or hurricane, that we don't understand why it strikes us or not.

Humans are so stupid, and their belief that they are not is the most ridiculous belief. As Wesley sez'd "Bring me a worm that can comprehend a man, and then I will show you a man that can comprehend the triune God."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27848208

The TRINITY is not difficult to understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13813766


lmaobonghit
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What?Because you are an idiot then everyone else is also?
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Sigh, the God of the Old Testament was more like a natural force, like thunder or hurricane, that we don't understand why it strikes us or not.

Humans are so stupid, and their belief that they are not is the most ridiculous belief. As Wesley sez'd "Bring me a worm that can comprehend a man, and then I will show you a man that can comprehend the triune God."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27848208

The TRINITY is not difficult to understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13813766


lmaobonghit
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What?Because you are an idiot then everyone else is also?
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No, because I know your a tard who doesn't know anything who thinks they know everything (guess that's ultimately what a tard is).

Bedazzle me with your wisdom oh understander of all universal mysteries!
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Now that I think about it, I believe we shouldn't condemn the Old Testament God as evil.

You see, I believe that, despite the fact that He is guilty of multiple counts of genocide, murder, incitement, moral turpitude, and many, many, other offenses... with enough patience and a well thought-out rehabilitation plan, we can truly civilize Yahweh and turn Him into a productive and moral citizen of a 21st century society.
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No tard. You can no more accuse a hurricane of being guilty of blowing someone's house down, idiot.
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Re: Is Old Testament God EVIL demigod?
Now that I think about it, I believe we shouldn't condemn the Old Testament God as evil.

You see, I believe that, despite the fact that He is guilty of multiple counts of genocide, murder, incitement, moral turpitude, and many, many, other offenses... with enough patience and a well thought-out rehabilitation plan, we can truly civilize Yahweh and turn Him into a productive and moral citizen of a 21st century society.
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No tard. You can no more accuse a hurricane of being guilty of blowing someone's house down, idiot.
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Whoosh. (That's not the sound of a hurricane, BTW)
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God wants you to live a good and pious life. Like a parent sometimes he punishes in order to teach us how to live by his will. Is a patent evil dor repremanding their children? God does not love unconditionally. Read the scripture.
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For some reason I have never felt that the God in Old Testament would be good force. His energy and teachings - and many followers - feel like they would be evil or at least very selfish beings. Like people of Israel for example.

Anyone else get the same vibes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17789200


I believe that there several demigods in the OT vying for the title of the greatest!
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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Re: Is Old Testament God EVIL demigod?
For some reason I have never felt that the God in Old Testament would be good force. His energy and teachings - and many followers - feel like they would be evil or at least very selfish beings. Like people of Israel for example.

Anyone else get the same vibes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17789200


I believe that there several demigods in the OT vying for the title of the greatest!
 Quoting: Ozicell

I agree.

The real God does love unconditionally. Lesset forces get theit power from fear which concept of sin and hell provoke.

The real God is true alpha and omega, He is in everything, and I am not even sure how conscious He is. As he is everything he might just be more like an emotion than a mind.

That worm metaphor above was rather good one. We are like small water molecules in one great universal sea (=God) - so we are from God, part of God and we will unite with God latest when we die. Some found our divine self and origin even sooner.

I think I am on the right road, but not yet there. :)
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For some reason I have never felt that the God in Old Testament would be good force. His energy and teachings - and many followers - feel like they would be evil or at least very selfish beings. Like people of Israel for example.

Anyone else get the same vibes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17789200


I believe that there several demigods in the OT vying for the title of the greatest!
 Quoting: Ozicell

I agree.

The real God does love unconditionally. Lesset forces get theit power from fear which concept of sin and hell provoke.

The real God is true alpha and omega, He is in everything, and I am not even sure how conscious He is. As he is everything he might just be more like an emotion than a mind.

That worm metaphor above was rather good one. We are like small water molecules in one great universal sea (=God) - so we are from God, part of God and we will unite with God latest when we die. Some found our divine self and origin even sooner.

I think I am on the right road, but not yet there. :)
 Quoting: Canis Majoris


Are you talking about yeweh? The living god? God of moses? God of Abraham? God wants you to love and honour him through obedience. God in the OT does not love unconditionally. Jesus will love you if you accepr him as your personal saviour. Do you read scripture?
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He was a man with a high high IQ and made a manual to control and domesticate the human animal. You ever see the Twilight Zone episode "To serve man"? In the end, the book that was to be helping man really turned out to be a cookbook.Everyone was fooled. That's the punchline of the Bible. By the way,his relatives are still in control now.
Have a nice day.
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Re: Is Old Testament God EVIL demigod?
Now that I think about it, I believe we shouldn't condemn the Old Testament God as evil.

You see, I believe that, despite the fact that He is guilty of multiple counts of genocide, murder, incitement, moral turpitude, and many, many, other offenses... with enough patience and a well thought-out rehabilitation plan, we can truly civilize Yahweh and turn Him into a productive and moral citizen of a 21st century society.
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No tard. You can no more accuse a hurricane of being guilty of blowing someone's house down, idiot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27848208


Whoosh. (That's not the sound of a hurricane, BTW)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1277549


You sure? It might also be the sound of the wind whirling through your empty skull? Think about it.
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The fact that Jesus worships the Hebrew God of the Old Testament is the biggest mark against him, IMO...
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No, Jesus is God as man. God didn't experience what it was to be man, until then. The old testament was very "why won't you listen to me stubborn children?" and the new testament is "Oh, I get it, y'all are fucked up, I forgive ya."
 Quoting: overwhatshername

Wrong.Jesus stated that no one has seen the Father except Him.Yet many saw Yahweh of OT.Everything Jesus claimed to be so does Yahweh.The Book of Jude in Greek states that it was KYRIOS (Jesus) that took the children of Israel from Egypt and sent in the plagues.
When the OT says the WORD OF GOD came to Jeremiah or daniel etc who came?jesus IS the Word so if the Word came then it must have been Jesus.Jesus is the God of the OT.
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O RLY?
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Yes, that entity is part of the corrupt Demiurge.
Ask yourself, Why would the GOD of nature require
any "sacrifice"? Except, of course Service to others.
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Yes, that entity is part of the corrupt Demiurge.
Ask yourself, Why would the GOD of nature require
any "sacrifice"? Except, of course Service to others.
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I thought this for a while... but it is also just as easy to see the OT as a reflection of where humanity was at and God dealing with that...

He creates free will sovereign beings in His image... probably the most extreme thing He can do... we take this for granted and express this creation in all sorts of ways, oblivious and incapable of seeing the whole picture and anyway, God wants free will creations to choose humility and worship of HIm...

the process appears messy and wondrous... like keeping bees or a garden can be, only more so...

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[I have read many of the "forbidden" texts like book of enoch, kolbrin bible, pistis sophia, etc... they fascinate me and contain some interesting information... but they could also be disinfo too...

it was the "boots on the ground" testimonies of former satanists, voodoo priests, illuminati, etc that changed my perspective... this and the secular information available now pointing to the reality of the supernatural--guys like Graham Hancock in Supernatural and Chris Everard's work...]

I put a list here for other researchers:

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Are you talking about yeweh? The living god? God of moses? God of Abraham? God wants you to love and honour him through obedience. God in the OT does not love unconditionally. Jesus will love you if you accepr him as your personal saviour. Do you read scripture?
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Yes I have read Bible. Not the whole book, but quite a lot of it yes. And I do get that weird evil vibes from the entity I think you call Yeweh. And to my knowledge Bible says Jesus, Yeweh and Holy Ghost are all the same, just different aspects of it. That I dont think is true.

My God loves everyone unconditionally.

BUT I don't think it's wrong to worship evil demiurge, I just wish that people would know who they bow. And it seems that most don't know that- But then again, it doesn't matter. We all are united latest when we die.

I just feel 'bit sad that so many people waste their lives while living in fear.
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Are you talking about yeweh? The living god? God of moses? God of Abraham? God wants you to love and honour him through obedience. God in the OT does not love unconditionally. Jesus will love you if you accepr him as your personal saviour. Do you read scripture?
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Yes I have read Bible. Not the whole book, but quite a lot of it yes. And I do get that weird evil vibes from the entity I think you call Yeweh. And to my knowledge Bible says Jesus, Yeweh and Holy Ghost are all the same, just different aspects of it. That I dont think is true.

My God loves everyone unconditionally.

BUT I don't think it's wrong to worship evil demiurge, I just wish that people would know who they bow. And it seems that most don't know that- But then again, it doesn't matter. We all are united latest when we die.

I just feel 'bit sad that so many people waste their lives while living in fear.
 Quoting: Canis Majoris


Try reading it in its entirety. The Lord does not love unconditionally. He wants us to obey his commandments and the wages of sin is death. The Lord has cast unfaithful into pits of fire where there is wailimg and gnashing of teeth. If you are a christian, his love is in the form of hia only begotten son, Jesus. You used the term "my god" your god is not Yeweh. We must be talking about different gods. Yeweh wants you to worship no god but him. Since you do, is it possible that is why you dont feel the love God offers to his faithful servents? Just asking. Im of no secular church btw. I just really enjoy reading the bible. I have tead the first part of the quaran and the voice to me didnt seem consistent with the OT or the gospel.
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Its satan. All the abrahamic religions worship Satan without understanding it. Lost fools.
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Its satan. All the abrahamic religions worship Satan without understanding it. Lost fools.
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Proof pls. My understanding is that crowley is the grandfather of the satanist movement.
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Thomas Paine (1737-1809)
The Age Of Reason

- I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit'

- It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.
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God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the Father of Jesus Christ, the Messiah of God for the whole mankind.

Deal with it, pagans. And idolaters.

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