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Cerebellum ^ CANNABIS IS THE Tree of Life

 
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First off, it sucks what happened to this thread in the last few pages. Glad to see it coming back on this page.

Secondly, I have always felt the the presence of this shared chemistry begs the question, did one species evolve in response to the other? Well, to find the answer, we might look at what other animals can use cannabis? Anyone ever get their dog high? I think the "evolve alongside" theory is a close miss. I think a common ancestor, with cannabis the remaining species miht be closer. Hops, the only other genus in this family, is also psychoactive, but really is only a sedative, lacking the psychedelic effects. Hops has other physiological effects, though, affecting digestion and other systems (liver, kidneys, reproductive).

Thirdly, as an herbalist, I occasionally find uses for this plant. The old docs (the Eclectics, Physiomedicalists, and the early Homeopaths) up 'til the 1930s used cannabis mostly for sleep related issues. Bad dreams, in particular, is a primary indication. This plant comes to mind for me whenever bad dreams accompany the problem for which my client is seeking my help. It does not matter what the problem is, if they have nightmares and are down with it, Cann. usually ends up in their formula. The indications surrounding the eyes are also fairly old. Dating to the middle ages, at least.

I have often wondered if the association with the eyes came from its psychedelic effects. Ever take a lot and chill alone in a quiet, dark room, as Terence McKenna suggests? Well, it's a VERY different experience... much more psychedelic.

Another thing I find interesting is the difference the route of administration, as well as the preparation method, can have on the effects. Smoking is pretty familiar to most folks, and many have had the slower, "shroomier" experience of brownies or cookies. Tincture, though, is much more sedative and anodyne (pain-killing). Heating the raw material before tincturing, increases anti-inflammatory and anodyne properties while rducing the "stoniness" by changing the balance of THC and other cannabinoids.

Fascinating plant, really. It certainly is on my top ten medicinals, but is not in my list of most commonly used ones.

Anyway, glad to see the real conversation coming back!
 Quoting: Mycelium


just wondering what your most used plants are?
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Good question, and also...how do you prepare a tincture? I could google, but would would like to know your experience hf Many Thanks!
Great thread, OP!blwkss
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The process for Cannabis is slightly different from this, so use you google fu to get details. I am nervous to describe it exactly, since I am not truly anonymous here.

For dried plant products, I prefer to use a percolation cone, but that method is not practical for most. It is interesting, though, and faster, so if you are interested in tincturing your own herbs, you may want to google "tincture by percolation."

The most important part of tincturing is knowing the herb weight to mentruum (solvent) volume ratio. I use ounces, since that is what the old docs used and the ratios are eaier to find. At this point, I have my own DB of these values now. You also need to know the kinds of constituents in the plants so you can decide what percent of your menstruum will be alcohol. For the most resinous plants, like Cannabis, you need 95% ethyl alcohol (everclear) at a 1:2 weight to volume ratio.

The process we will us here is called maceration. It basically means soaking. For the most pain relieving Cannabis tincture, I take half of the raw material and spread it out on a cookie sheet, then put it in the oven at its lowest setting for up to 20 minutes. Leave the oven door open about three or four inches. This converts some of the THC into CBD. Chemists have a name for what happens here, I call it magic. After your time is up, or when you get nervous about the smell, take it out and mix it with the half you did not heat. For the headiest, but less anti inflammatory brew, skip that part.

For example, if you have 6 ounces of your herb, put it in a mason jar and pour 12 ounces of everclear over it. Cover and put in a dark place. A kitchen cabinet works nicely. Take it out and shake well every day for at least two weeks, six is better. After this, lay some cheesecloth over a strainer and pour the jar through this, into another jar. Wrap up the cheesecloth and wring as much out of it as you can. It is HARD, but these few ounces are the strongest. You will, under no circumstances, be able to get all 12 oz back. By this method, you will be very lucky to get 9 or 10. This is why I prefer percolation. Pro herbalists use a hydraulic press instead of wringing, but still only get 10 1/2 oz or so. When your arms get tired, run it into ANOTHER jar through a coffee filter. This is the finished product.

Dose varies by individual. Chronic use or tolerance to smoke seems to have no bearing on dosing. Start at about ten drops. Most folks I know wind up between 20 and 40 drops, some need more. It can take several hours to take effect.

Trim works just fine for GREAT product and is tremendously cheaper. Extraction can concentrate chemicals used as fertilizers and sprays to toxic levels, so know your source!
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I forgot. Whenever you take a dry plant tincture made with everclear, you should put it in a little water. Some folks take it straight, but I can't and I have used tinctures for many years. The less water you use, however, the faster it will enter your bloodstream, bypassing the portal vein side of the liver. Alcohol is neat that way. You CAN just put it in your glass of juice, or whatever, but expect a longer time for results.
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I forgot. Whenever you take a dry plant tincture made with everclear, you should put it in a little water. Some folks take it straight, but I can't and I have used tinctures for many years. The less water you use, however, the faster it will enter your bloodstream, bypassing the portal vein side of the liver. Alcohol is neat that way. You CAN just put it in your glass of juice, or whatever, but expect a longer time for results.
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alcohol is a great bio solvent.
one of the biggest reasons
why not to get intoxicated
by such concentrated fun guy crap.

has anyone observed the bio-warfare
practiced in genesis?
warnings against houses
overtaken by mold.
hf
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the wisdom of pot;
cerebellelum thump,
tickes the spot.
that created this bump
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could be just swamp gas
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the value of life

in the tree of life
infinite minds strife
our value cut by the knife
on death of others we thrive
society free as bees in a hive
system of attrition of the masses
reaping our lives like death passes
leaving us with nothing but ashes
from wich we rise as the phoenix
xenos, eyes seeing in the matrix
while alien thoughts humanity fix
being free of your fears our trix.
hf
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[link to www.youtube.com]

scientists vain;
right off the bat,
weed grows brain
in stupid lab rats.
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"tincture by percolation."

The most important part of tincturing is knowing the herb weight to mentruum (solvent) volume ratio. I use ounces, since that is what the old docs used and the ratios are eaier to find. At this point, I have my own DB of these values now. You also need to know the kinds of constituents in the plants so you can decide what percent of your menstruum will be alcohol. For the most resinous plants, like Cannabis, you need 95% ethyl alcohol (everclear) at a 1:2 weight to volume ratio.

The process we will us here is called maceration. It basically means soaking. For the most pain relieving Cannabis tincture, I take half of the raw material and spread it out on a cookie sheet, then put it in the oven at its lowest setting for up to 20 minutes. Leave the oven door open about three or four inches. This converts some of the THC into CBD. Chemists have a name for what happens here, I call it magic. After your time is up, or when you get nervous about the smell, take it out and mix it with the half you did not heat. For the headiest, but less anti inflammatory brew, skip that part.

 Quoting: Mycelium

I am about 99% sure CBD is not a byproduct of THC. They are both cannabinoids created in different ratios depending on strain genetics. CBN however is a byproduct of THC. By exposing THC to too much light, heat, or air it can degrade to CBN. From experience with creating tinctures in the past, they do seem to make something magical happen, but I can assure it is not CBD, more likely CBN.
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"tincture by percolation."

The most important part of tincturing is knowing the herb weight to mentruum (solvent) volume ratio. I use ounces, since that is what the old docs used and the ratios are eaier to find. At this point, I have my own DB of these values now. You also need to know the kinds of constituents in the plants so you can decide what percent of your menstruum will be alcohol. For the most resinous plants, like Cannabis, you need 95% ethyl alcohol (everclear) at a 1:2 weight to volume ratio.

The process we will us here is called maceration. It basically means soaking. For the most pain relieving Cannabis tincture, I take half of the raw material and spread it out on a cookie sheet, then put it in the oven at its lowest setting for up to 20 minutes. Leave the oven door open about three or four inches. This converts some of the THC into CBD. Chemists have a name for what happens here, I call it magic. After your time is up, or when you get nervous about the smell, take it out and mix it with the half you did not heat. For the headiest, but less anti inflammatory brew, skip that part.

 Quoting: Mycelium

I am about 99% sure CBD is not a byproduct of THC. They are both cannabinoids created in different ratios depending on strain genetics. CBN however is a byproduct of THC. By exposing THC to too much light, heat, or air it can degrade to CBN. From experience with creating tinctures in the past, they do seem to make something magical happen, but I can assure it is not CBD, more likely CBN.
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You are likely correct. My apologies. I was distracted when I wrote that and didn't feel like looking it up. I figured someone would correct me.

Glad you did. cheers
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I have known lots of people that have smoked pot all there life and they are farther away from being enlighten that non smokers.
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I have known lots of people that have smoked pot all there life and they are farther away from being enlighten that non smokers.
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I think it's one ingredient in a mix that helps open the chakras. Cannabis is more about healing than some of the other ingredients. I know people with phd's that practically have down syndrome when it comes to psychological or spiritual discussion.
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Try This:

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cleaned up the thread so figured I'd give it a bump for those who missed it the first go round. Troll posts get deltreed.

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I have known lots of people that have smoked pot all there life and they are farther away from being enlighten that non smokers.
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I think it's one ingredient in a mix that helps open the chakras. Cannabis is more about healing than some of the other ingredients. I know people with phd's that practically have down syndrome when it comes to psychological or spiritual discussion.
 Quoting: Perseus7


This is seriously the best sentence I've ever read.
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Hemp went illicit because corporate whores can't patent any strain out there in the cosmos, legalized hemp would bankrupt large portions of the pharma industry, it's all about money and control.
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cleaned up the thread so figured I'd give it a bump for those who missed it the first go round. Troll posts get deltreed.

yoda
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Thank you - I was not aware of the thread.


WE ARE HARD WIRED TO INDUCE THC - FACT.

Everybody in the world is born with THC receptors, this a biological and neurological fact. Now work out why this is so!
We have eyes because nature saw fit that we need them (obviously) - so why did nature see fit for us to have THC receptors. God was a stoner man, god is cool as fuck, and like Bill Hicks said God had a sense of humor.

“Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit . . . unnatural?” Bill Hicks



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Hemp went illicit because corporate whores can't patent any strain out there in the cosmos, legalized hemp would bankrupt large portions of the pharma industry, it's all about money and control.
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money and control yes, but your reasons are only the tip of the real iceberg... I thought the same as you for a long time..it's much more sinister.

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cleaned up the thread so figured I'd give it a bump for those who missed it the first go round. Troll posts get deltreed.

yoda
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Thank you - I was not aware of the thread.


WE ARE HARD WIRED TO INDUCE THC - FACT.

Everybody in the world is born with THC receptors, this a biological and neurological fact. Now work out why this is so!
We have eyes because nature saw fit that we need them (obviously) - so why did nature see fit for us to have THC receptors. God was a stoner man, god is cool as fuck, and like Bill Hicks said God had a sense of humor.

“Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit . . . unnatural?” Bill Hicks



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hicks was as real as they come, a true prophet, ty friend.
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I have known lots of people that have smoked pot all there life and they are farther away from being enlighten that non smokers.
 Quoting: MONSTER


I think it's one ingredient in a mix that helps open the chakras. Cannabis is more about healing than some of the other ingredients. I know people with phd's that practically have down syndrome when it comes to psychological or spiritual discussion.
 Quoting: Perseus7


This is seriously the best sentence I've ever read.
 Quoting: pi 20063747


I aim to please, as always ;p

it all has to do with the polarity spectrum prison existing at the microbial and atomic levels of their neurochemistry.

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I have known lots of people that have smoked pot all there life and they are farther away from being enlighten that non smokers.
 Quoting: MONSTER


I think it's one ingredient in a mix that helps open the chakras. Cannabis is more about healing than some of the other ingredients. I know people with phd's that practically have down syndrome when it comes to psychological or spiritual discussion.
 Quoting: Perseus7


This is seriously the best sentence I've ever read.
 Quoting: pi 20063747


I aim to please, as always ;p

it all has to due with the polarity spectrum prison existing at the microbial and atomic levels of their neurochemistry.
 Quoting: Perseus7



Thank you friend - I was introduced to Bill Hicks (video) in 1990 having come back from an old skool acid house party, while i was coming down from a trip - my chakras were fully opened so listening to Bill was like listening to god or something - he is and has been a guide for me ever since. he is also the reason why i hate those non-americans who label americans has stupid, yes some are like every other countries in the world - we all have stupid people. But when people are so specific about Americans, I always point to Bill. I hope I meet him when this particular ride is over.

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I think it's one ingredient in a mix that helps open the chakras. Cannabis is more about healing than some of the other ingredients. I know people with phd's that practically have down syndrome when it comes to psychological or spiritual discussion.
 Quoting: Perseus7


This is seriously the best sentence I've ever read.
 Quoting: pi 20063747


I aim to please, as always ;p

it all has to due with the polarity spectrum prison existing at the microbial and atomic levels of their neurochemistry.
 Quoting: Perseus7



Thank you friend - I was introduced to Bill Hicks (video) in 1990 having come back from an old skool acid house party, while i was coming down from a trip - my chakras were fully opened so listening to Bill was like listening to god or something - he is and has been a guide for me ever since. he is also the reason why i hate those non-americans who label americans has stupid, yes some are like every other countries in the world - we all have stupid people. But when people are so specific about Americans, I always point to Bill. I hope I meet him when this particular ride is over.

red_heart
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I feel like he's with me all the time, along with the rest of my heroes that have passed.

cheers to you friend.

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Cannabis is /the/ plant, son. It beats all others at their own games. Even taste in my opinion.

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I have known lots of people that have smoked pot all there life and they are farther away from being enlighten that non smokers.
 Quoting: MONSTER


I think it's one ingredient in a mix that helps open the chakras. Cannabis is more about healing than some of the other ingredients. I know people with phd's that practically have down syndrome when it comes to psychological or spiritual discussion.
 Quoting: Perseus7


hf

Yep, It is truely wonderful- ESPECIALLY for healing. Great producer of those "Ah-HA! moments" to I find when your stuck on certain things. Like anything though, it can be misused and its true value lost on the individual. On the onther hand though, I believe someone people need to go through this blurring as a challenge (Its pretty depressing being stuck in a 24/7 smoking cycle, though it is easy) I have gone through this and seen many friends go through it, I find it often relates to a bigger issue within self. I share the same view with nightmares and how some other drugs react with people.

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Cannabis is /the/ plant, son. It beats all others at their own games. Even taste in my opinion.
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The plant is sacred as far as I am concerned, and all would do well to know it asap.
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I have known lots of people that have smoked pot all there life and they are farther away from being enlighten that non smokers.
 Quoting: MONSTER


I think it's one ingredient in a mix that helps open the chakras. Cannabis is more about healing than some of the other ingredients. I know people with phd's that practically have down syndrome when it comes to psychological or spiritual discussion.
 Quoting: Perseus7


hf

Yep, It is truely wonderful- ESPECIALLY for healing. Great producer of those "Ah-HA! moments" to I find when your stuck on certain things. Like anything though, it can be misused and its true value lost on the individual. On the onther hand though, I believe someone people need to go through this blurring as a challenge (Its pretty depressing being stuck in a 24/7 smoking cycle, though it is easy) I have gone through this and seen many friends go through it, I find it often relates to a bigger issue within self. I share the same view with nightmares and how some other drugs react with people.

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Yea nowadays I mostly use oil concentrates, with a puff here or there. Proper use is important, but if you have a health condition that needs treatment I say go balls to the wall with it till cured.
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none of ur links work for me ????
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none of ur links work for me ????
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dunno, they all work fine for me...

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Cannabis is like a skate near an Roll Royce, if you compare with others entheogens plants and mushrooms.
To me the cannabis effect is more a soothing than a conscience expander, is good but have no reason to mystify so much.

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OP... Cannabis has been a blessing in my life, thank you fro helping me to understand why.

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