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Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?

 
morphic oceans
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Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
[link to dairycowdiary.wordpress.com]

An animal is slaughtered within minutes whereas a cow and the calf mourn each others 'death' for a lot longer so us humans can enjoy the milk that nature intended for the cows young. This is not a preach thing. Just something to make you think.

Okay we have the middle east crisis going on so by comparison this may seem small.

But to relay our empathy onto other creatures (we do with cats and dogs) but to others?

We may not be able to halt the Israel Palastine conflict, but we can open our minds to a reality we can change for the better.

It's like moving to a new house. Everything seems daunting at first but each small step at a time gets us to our goal.

I know the omnivores will get their fangs into this one but maybes they are right!

Maybes I am wrong about being vegan for 2 1/2 decades.

Maybes life is a hiccough in a peace/piece of the universe that could have been without injured mind.


Be the change you wanna see in the world.

There are so many negativities,

Who really knows? Certainly not me.

All creatures have minds and they don't want to die; it is just us to decide which creatures to mind, whether it be selfish or selfless.

Life is a lottery where you could have been born a pig at the mercy of humans.

God bless whatever your persuasion.

Take care, you never know what is around the corner.
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
[link to dairycowdiary.wordpress.com]

An animal is slaughtered within minutes whereas a cow and the calf mourn each others 'death' for a lot longer so us humans can enjoy the milk that nature intended for the cows young. This is not a preach thing. Just something to make you think.

Okay we have the middle east crisis going on so by comparison this may seem small.

But to relay our empathy onto other creatures (we do with cats and dogs) but to others?

We may not be able to halt the Israel Palastine conflict, but we can open our minds to a reality we can change for the better.

It's like moving to a new house. Everything seems daunting at first but each small step at a time gets us to our goal.

I know the omnivores will get their fangs into this one but maybes they are right!

Maybes I am wrong about being vegan for 2 1/2 decades.

Maybes life is a hiccough in a peace/piece of the universe that could have been without injured mind.


Be the change you wanna see in the world.

There are so many negativities,

Who really knows? Certainly not me.

All creatures have minds and they don't want to die; it is just us to decide which creatures to mind, whether it be selfish or selfless.

Life is a lottery where you could have been born a pig at the mercy of humans.

God bless whatever your persuasion.

Take care, you never know what is around the corner.
 Quoting: morphic oceans 25960283


Thanks, I'll give this to my acquaintance who is sure he can't ascend eating any meats or fish and his ancient Vedic literature forbids the eating of anything from a seed or grain as it supposedly makes you extremely lustful. He was up in arms over a suggestion would he like a peanut butter sandwich. I told him his lust issues likely were more related to porn consumption than foods and I felt one's actions or nonactions regarding dealings with one another counted much more on any ascension.He decided to just eat all dairy and be a breatharian. Now I can remind him boob juice besides likely being from a very lustful object using it is contributing to the demise of the young calf. Wouldn't consuming mourning milk lower one's vibrations (supposedly)?

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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
i dont drink milk. it has never appealed to me. i recently started drinking almond "milk" and find it quite tasty. i dont know if it's a decent alternative for an avid milk drinker, but i would recommend looking into it. could help decrease demand.
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
Wauw cant even imagine empty lands without farmlands and second layered look what they want animals which just look different then humans.

But anyway ...
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
"Cruel" is just a word.

Eating animals, plants, or their products is neither "good" nor "bad" nor "cruel".

It simply is.
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
"Cruel" is just a word.

Eating animals, plants, or their products is neither "good" nor "bad" nor "cruel".

It simply is.
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I believe 'cruelty' is not recognised by nature in its overall essence but I think 'cruelty' is perceived and recognised in non human and obviously humans themselves.

'Cruelty' as defined as physical or emotional suffering.
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God gave us many wonderful resources to use for our benefit...it would be insulting not to use them.
With freedom comes responsibility.

Heterosexual pride!

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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
Is wiping your arse with the dead body of a tree more cruel?
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
i dont drink milk. it has never appealed to me. i recently started drinking almond "milk" and find it quite tasty. i dont know if it's a decent alternative for an avid milk drinker, but i would recommend looking into it. could help decrease demand.
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Thanks for the reply. Rice milk I find quite nice.

To find peace between human and human surely the first step is peace between human and animal?
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
As for me, I couldn't care less. Gonna eat a prime steak, drink some milk and watch gay porn tonight. Real man's evening!
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
God gave us many wonderful resources to use for our benefit...it would be insulting not to use them.
 Quoting: BRIEF


'Our benefit' is what is wrong with the human having dominion over fellow creatures. God gave us compassion and altruism.
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
Is wiping your arse with the dead body of a tree more cruel?
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I would use the sun newspaper but the idea is to wipe it clean not make it more dirty.
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
God gave us many wonderful resources to use for our benefit...it would be insulting not to use them.
 Quoting: BRIEF


'Our benefit' is what is wrong with the human having dominion over fellow creatures. God gave us compassion and altruism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25960283


We developed animal husbandry and all manner of techniques to maintain a balance with nature...it's a shame the Negro is killing coal, because that resource too is a gift from God.
With freedom comes responsibility.

Heterosexual pride!

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As for me, I couldn't care less. Gonna eat a prime steak, drink some milk and watch gay porn tonight. Real man's evening!
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Thanks for the laugh.
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
God gave us many wonderful resources to use for our benefit...it would be insulting not to use them.
 Quoting: BRIEF


'Our benefit' is what is wrong with the human having dominion over fellow creatures. God gave us compassion and altruism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25960283


We developed animal husbandry and all manner of techniques to maintain a balance with nature...it's a shame the Negro is killing coal, because that resource too is a gift from God.
 Quoting: BRIEF


From calves to coal. Man that's what I call a kangaroo mind.
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
God gave us many wonderful resources to use for our benefit...it would be insulting not to use them.
 Quoting: BRIEF


'Our benefit' is what is wrong with the human having dominion over fellow creatures. God gave us compassion and altruism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25960283


We developed animal husbandry and all manner of techniques to maintain a balance with nature...it's a shame the Negro is killing coal, because that resource too is a gift from God.
 Quoting: BRIEF


From calves to coal. Man that's what I call a kangaroo mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25960283


As I said, all resources are a gift for our use...nature is not to be worshiped, it's to be used...
With freedom comes responsibility.

Heterosexual pride!

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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
humans are the only species that drink milk after infancy, and it's not even milk from our own species obviously
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
humans are the only species that drink milk after infancy, and it's not even milk from our own species obviously
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That's because we are more intelligent than any other species...on Earth
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Heterosexual pride!

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'Our benefit' is what is wrong with the human having dominion over fellow creatures. God gave us compassion and altruism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25960283


We developed animal husbandry and all manner of techniques to maintain a balance with nature...it's a shame the Negro is killing coal, because that resource too is a gift from God.
 Quoting: BRIEF


From calves to coal. Man that's what I call a kangaroo mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25960283


As I said, all resources are a gift for our use...nature is not to be worshiped, it's to be used...
 Quoting: BRIEF


That is your interpretation of reality. I respect it but do not agree. On a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is obviously the least where do you stand on.
i} spirituality
ii materialism
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11/20/2012 09:50 AM
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
Cow milk is disgusting anyway. It's basically pus.
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
With all that is going on in the world...THIS is what you choose to spend your precious remaining hours obsessing over?


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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
humans are the only species that drink milk after infancy, and it's not even milk from our own species obviously
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That's because we are more intelligent than any other species...on Earth
 Quoting: BRIEF



According to limited human criteria only.

Is parasitism a sign of intelligence?
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
Now drinking milk is cruel? Are there any more restrictions you'd like to place on life? I think it might still be somewhat livable.

How about "toasting is cruel to the bread so we shouldn't do that."

Or "don't slice a tomato, you are slicing a living thing!"

What about all the organisms you can't see but step on every time you walk?

Driving is now forbidden, because of the bugs that will splat your windshield. It's not their fault, they were just occupying nature. YOU were the one who had the choice of buying the car and driving down that road. And don't even get me started on the evils of that car's existence in the first place!

Seriously, when will it be okay for me to step outside my house and actually live, without someone wanting to impose guilt for the most basic of activities?
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We developed animal husbandry and all manner of techniques to maintain a balance with nature...it's a shame the Negro is killing coal, because that resource too is a gift from God.
 Quoting: BRIEF


From calves to coal. Man that's what I call a kangaroo mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25960283


As I said, all resources are a gift for our use...nature is not to be worshiped, it's to be used...
 Quoting: BRIEF


That is your interpretation of reality. I respect it but do not agree. On a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is obviously the least where do you stand on.
i} spirituality
ii materialism
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25960283


LOL, that's a loaded question...I'm not materialistic, and animals and nature don't have souls, only humans have souls because we are intelligent enough to make moral decisions and not just act on instinct.

Life would not exist without the resources God gave us...food, clothing, building materials, etc all make it possible to survive comfortably on this planet...

Cows milk is nearly a perfect food. It has 1 gram of protein per ounce and necessary fat...yes our bodies need fat.
With freedom comes responsibility.

Heterosexual pride!

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[link to dairycowdiary.wordpress.com]

An animal is slaughtered within minutes whereas a cow and the calf mourn each others 'death' for a lot longer so us humans can enjoy the milk that nature intended for the cows young. This is not a preach thing. Just something to make you think.

Okay we have the middle east crisis going on so by comparison this may seem small.

But to relay our empathy onto other creatures (we do with cats and dogs) but to others?

We may not be able to halt the Israel Palastine conflict, but we can open our minds to a reality we can change for the better.

It's like moving to a new house. Everything seems daunting at first but each small step at a time gets us to our goal.

I know the omnivores will get their fangs into this one but maybes they are right!

Maybes I am wrong about being vegan for 2 1/2 decades.

Maybes life is a hiccough in a peace/piece of the universe that could have been without injured mind.


Be the change you wanna see in the world.

There are so many negativities,

Who really knows? Certainly not me.

All creatures have minds and they don't want to die; it is just us to decide which creatures to mind, whether it be selfish or selfless.

Life is a lottery where you could have been born a pig at the mercy of humans.

God bless whatever your persuasion.

Take care, you never know what is around the corner.
 Quoting: morphic oceans 25960283


You are right. hf
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With all that is going on in the world...THIS is what you choose to spend your precious remaining hours obsessing over?


putin
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THIS is a very important issue, maybe the most important of all and the reason for all the misery and wars.

Institutionalized and legal cruelty to helpless animals on a large scale. Says a lot about us and the societies we live in.

Talking about billions. Billions of animals killed every single day. For human pleasure. Lots of negative energy. Think about it.
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
humans are the only species that drink milk after infancy, and it's not even milk from our own species obviously
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Lactose intolerant springs to mind. All those manufacturers of food that have to put that on their allergic list for fear of recompense.
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
With all that is going on in the world...THIS is what you choose to spend your precious remaining hours obsessing over?


putin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


THIS is a very important issue, maybe the most important of all and the reason for all the misery and wars.

Institutionalized and legal cruelty to helpless animals on a large scale. Says a lot about us and the societies we live in.

Talking about billions. Billions of animals killed every single day. For human pleasure. Lots of negative energy. Think about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28131541


Because there's NO misery in India, right?

FFS get a fucking life.
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God gave us many wonderful resources to use for our benefit...it would be insulting not to use them.
 Quoting: BRIEF


This guy truly is set is his way.


It is somewhat admirable..
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
Now drinking milk is cruel? Are there any more restrictions you'd like to place on life? I think it might still be somewhat livable.

How about "toasting is cruel to the bread so we shouldn't do that."

Or "don't slice a tomato, you are slicing a living thing!"

What about all the organisms you can't see but step on every time you walk?

Driving is now forbidden, because of the bugs that will splat your windshield. It's not their fault, they were just occupying nature. YOU were the one who had the choice of buying the car and driving down that road. And don't even get me started on the evils of that car's existence in the first place!

Seriously, when will it be okay for me to step outside my house and actually live, without someone wanting to impose guilt for the most basic of activities?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28092364


I certainly do not impose any of my beliefs on anybody. I appreciate where you are coming from. I'm a car driver and I am guilty. Yes I splatter insects on my windscreen If I see a fly on the windscreen I will stop and let it off. I once found a moth stuck to my bonnet still alive. I'm not here on a high horse. When I go for a walk I am looking at the ground incase I step on an insect. If I see a worm on the path I will place the worm on the soil. If I kill myself I will cause bacteria to die.
Like I said I'm not preaching, he who is without sin etc.

I just feel the post I made was recognising the strong maternal bond between mother and offspring. I hate the liberal lefties that have reduced our freedom of speech incase it offends somebody. I know where you are coming from, it was not my intention to add burden. Comedy has been massacred because of this 'offend' rule.

Go on try some rice milk. You might like it.
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
Now drinking milk is cruel? Are there any more restrictions you'd like to place on life? I think it might still be somewhat livable.

How about "toasting is cruel to the bread so we shouldn't do that."

Or "don't slice a tomato, you are slicing a living thing!"

What about all the organisms you can't see but step on every time you walk?

Driving is now forbidden, because of the bugs that will splat your windshield. It's not their fault, they were just occupying nature. YOU were the one who had the choice of buying the car and driving down that road. And don't even get me started on the evils of that car's existence in the first place!

Seriously, when will it be okay for me to step outside my house and actually live, without someone wanting to impose guilt for the most basic of activities?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28092364


I certainly do not impose any of my beliefs on anybody. I appreciate where you are coming from. I'm a car driver and I am guilty. Yes I splatter insects on my windscreen If I see a fly on the windscreen I will stop and let it off. I once found a moth stuck to my bonnet still alive. I'm not here on a high horse. When I go for a walk I am looking at the ground incase I step on an insect. If I see a worm on the path I will place the worm on the soil. If I kill myself I will cause bacteria to die.

 Quoting: back as morphic oceans 25960283


I suppose you don't bathe regularly either then. Or clean your house. Or your clothes.

You seriously need to get some help.

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