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Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?

 
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With all that is going on in the world...THIS is what you choose to spend your precious remaining hours obsessing over?


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The end time is not now so stop fretting.

I do not regard my time as precious, never have done. Always put other people and animals safety and regard ahead of my reality equation.

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Now drinking milk is cruel? Are there any more restrictions you'd like to place on life? I think it might still be somewhat livable.

How about "toasting is cruel to the bread so we shouldn't do that."

Or "don't slice a tomato, you are slicing a living thing!"

What about all the organisms you can't see but step on every time you walk?

Driving is now forbidden, because of the bugs that will splat your windshield. It's not their fault, they were just occupying nature. YOU were the one who had the choice of buying the car and driving down that road. And don't even get me started on the evils of that car's existence in the first place!

Seriously, when will it be okay for me to step outside my house and actually live, without someone wanting to impose guilt for the most basic of activities?
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I certainly do not impose any of my beliefs on anybody. I appreciate where you are coming from. I'm a car driver and I am guilty. Yes I splatter insects on my windscreen If I see a fly on the windscreen I will stop and let it off. I once found a moth stuck to my bonnet still alive. I'm not here on a high horse. When I go for a walk I am looking at the ground incase I step on an insect. If I see a worm on the path I will place the worm on the soil. If I kill myself I will cause bacteria to die.

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I suppose you don't bathe regularly either then. Or clean your house. Or your clothes.

You seriously need to get some help.
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I suppose I'm a barbarian then...haven't yet decided which animal is going to die on my plate for lunch, but dinner will be a fish massacre...
With freedom comes responsibility.

Heterosexual pride!

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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
With all that is going on in the world...THIS is what you choose to spend your precious remaining hours obsessing over?


putin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


The end time is not now so stop fretting.

I do not regard my time as precious, never have done. Always put other people and animals safety and regard ahead of my reality equation.

Me=0

slug=1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25960283


Seriously. GET. HELP.
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From calves to coal. Man that's what I call a kangaroo mind.
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As I said, all resources are a gift for our use...nature is not to be worshiped, it's to be used...
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That is your interpretation of reality. I respect it but do not agree. On a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is obviously the least where do you stand on.
i} spirituality
ii materialism
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25960283


LOL, that's a loaded question...I'm not materialistic, and animals and nature don't have souls, only humans have souls because we are intelligent enough to make moral decisions and not just act on instinct.

Life would not exist without the resources God gave us...food, clothing, building materials, etc all make it possible to survive comfortably on this planet...

Cows milk is nearly a perfect food. It has 1 gram of protein per ounce and necessary fat...yes our bodies need fat.
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And the Americans prove that.
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How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? One. She stands there with the bulb in the socket and waits for the world to revolve around her.
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With all that is going on in the world...THIS is what you choose to spend your precious remaining hours obsessing over?


putin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


The end time is not now so stop fretting.

I do not regard my time as precious, never have done. Always put other people and animals safety and regard ahead of my reality equation.

Me=0

slug=1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25960283


Seriously. GET. HELP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


Help is what I'm offering not receiving. Now if your little unempathic brain cannot grasp that then GET. HELP
Anonymous Coward (OP)
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11/20/2012 11:17 AM
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[link to dairycowdiary.wordpress.com]

An animal is slaughtered within minutes whereas a cow and the calf mourn each others 'death' for a lot longer so us humans can enjoy the milk that nature intended for the cows young. This is not a preach thing. Just something to make you think.

Okay we have the middle east crisis going on so by comparison this may seem small.

But to relay our empathy onto other creatures (we do with cats and dogs) but to others?

We may not be able to halt the Israel Palastine conflict, but we can open our minds to a reality we can change for the better.

It's like moving to a new house. Everything seems daunting at first but each small step at a time gets us to our goal.

I know the omnivores will get their fangs into this one but maybes they are right!

Maybes I am wrong about being vegan for 2 1/2 decades.

Maybes life is a hiccough in a peace/piece of the universe that could have been without injured mind.


Be the change you wanna see in the world.

There are so many negativities,

Who really knows? Certainly not me.

All creatures have minds and they don't want to die; it is just us to decide which creatures to mind, whether it be selfish or selfless.

Life is a lottery where you could have been born a pig at the mercy of humans.

God bless whatever your persuasion.

Take care, you never know what is around the corner.
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You are right. hf
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Thank you. I'm being attacked cos I care. Don't seem right to me. Maybes i could care more but I'm trying my best. 'Confound it'
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Now drinking milk is cruel? Are there any more restrictions you'd like to place on life? I think it might still be somewhat livable.

How about "toasting is cruel to the bread so we shouldn't do that."

Or "don't slice a tomato, you are slicing a living thing!"

What about all the organisms you can't see but step on every time you walk?

Driving is now forbidden, because of the bugs that will splat your windshield. It's not their fault, they were just occupying nature. YOU were the one who had the choice of buying the car and driving down that road. And don't even get me started on the evils of that car's existence in the first place!

Seriously, when will it be okay for me to step outside my house and actually live, without someone wanting to impose guilt for the most basic of activities?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28092364


I certainly do not impose any of my beliefs on anybody. I appreciate where you are coming from. I'm a car driver and I am guilty. Yes I splatter insects on my windscreen If I see a fly on the windscreen I will stop and let it off. I once found a moth stuck to my bonnet still alive. I'm not here on a high horse. When I go for a walk I am looking at the ground incase I step on an insect. If I see a worm on the path I will place the worm on the soil. If I kill myself I will cause bacteria to die.

 Quoting: back as morphic oceans 25960283


I suppose you don't bathe regularly either then. Or clean your house. Or your clothes.

You seriously need to get some help.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


I suppose I'm a barbarian then...haven't yet decided which animal is going to die on my plate for lunch, but dinner will be a fish massacre...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Most fish die a long and lingering death. When will you people realise I am not here for me.
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As I said, all resources are a gift for our use...nature is not to be worshiped, it's to be used...
 Quoting: BRIEF


That is your interpretation of reality. I respect it but do not agree. On a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is obviously the least where do you stand on.
i} spirituality
ii materialism
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25960283


LOL, that's a loaded question...I'm not materialistic, and animals and nature don't have souls, only humans have souls because we are intelligent enough to make moral decisions and not just act on instinct.

Life would not exist without the resources God gave us...food, clothing, building materials, etc all make it possible to survive comfortably on this planet...

Cows milk is nearly a perfect food. It has 1 gram of protein per ounce and necessary fat...yes our bodies need fat.
 Quoting: BRIEF


And the Americans prove that.
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Americans are fat because of processed foods and HFCS, not because of milk...although most any nutrient dense food can make you fat if overdone...
With freedom comes responsibility.

Heterosexual pride!

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I certainly do not impose any of my beliefs on anybody. I appreciate where you are coming from. I'm a car driver and I am guilty. Yes I splatter insects on my windscreen If I see a fly on the windscreen I will stop and let it off. I once found a moth stuck to my bonnet still alive. I'm not here on a high horse. When I go for a walk I am looking at the ground incase I step on an insect. If I see a worm on the path I will place the worm on the soil. If I kill myself I will cause bacteria to die.

 Quoting: back as morphic oceans 25960283


I suppose you don't bathe regularly either then. Or clean your house. Or your clothes.

You seriously need to get some help.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


I suppose I'm a barbarian then...haven't yet decided which animal is going to die on my plate for lunch, but dinner will be a fish massacre...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Most fish die a long and lingering death. When will you people realise I am not here for me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25960283


They can't process pain like animals with larger brains can...
With freedom comes responsibility.

Heterosexual pride!

Briefcut4892
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11/20/2012 02:30 PM
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[link to dairycowdiary.wordpress.com]

An animal is slaughtered within minutes whereas a cow and the calf mourn each others 'death' for a lot longer so us humans can enjoy the milk that nature intended for the cows young. This is not a preach thing. Just something to make you think.

Okay we have the middle east crisis going on so by comparison this may seem small.

But to relay our empathy onto other creatures (we do with cats and dogs) but to others?

We may not be able to halt the Israel Palastine conflict, but we can open our minds to a reality we can change for the better.

It's like moving to a new house. Everything seems daunting at first but each small step at a time gets us to our goal.

I know the omnivores will get their fangs into this one but maybes they are right!

Maybes I am wrong about being vegan for 2 1/2 decades.

Maybes life is a hiccough in a peace/piece of the universe that could have been without injured mind.


Be the change you wanna see in the world.

There are so many negativities,

Who really knows? Certainly not me.

All creatures have minds and they don't want to die; it is just us to decide which creatures to mind, whether it be selfish or selfless.

Life is a lottery where you could have been born a pig at the mercy of humans.

God bless whatever your persuasion.

Take care, you never know what is around the corner.
 Quoting: morphic oceans 25960283


Thanks, I'll give this to my acquaintance who is sure he can't ascend eating any meats or fish and his ancient Vedic literature forbids the eating of anything from a seed or grain as it supposedly makes you extremely lustful. He was up in arms over a suggestion would he like a peanut butter sandwich. I told him his lust issues likely were more related to porn consumption than foods and I felt one's actions or nonactions regarding dealings with one another counted much more on any ascension.He decided to just eat all dairy and be a breatharian. Now I can remind him boob juice besides likely being from a very lustful object using it is contributing to the demise of the young calf. Wouldn't consuming mourning milk lower one's vibrations (supposedly)?

too_sad
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haha... btw, you're friend's right, his porn consumption has NOTHING to do with!! What will he do now?? OH NOES!!!
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[link to dairycowdiary.wordpress.com]

An animal is slaughtered within minutes whereas a cow and the calf mourn each others 'death' for a lot longer so us humans can enjoy the milk that nature intended for the cows young. This is not a preach thing. Just something to make you think.

 Quoting: morphic oceans 25960283



A cow needs to be milked twice a day or it would be in udder pain!

tomato
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I suppose you don't bathe regularly either then.


Inquiring minds want to know, OP. Yay or nay??
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[link to dairycowdiary.wordpress.com]

An animal is slaughtered within minutes whereas a cow and the calf mourn each others 'death' for a lot longer so us humans can enjoy the milk that nature intended for the cows young. This is not a preach thing. Just something to make you think.

 Quoting: morphic oceans 25960283



A cow needs to be milked twice a day or it would be in udder pain!

tomato
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AAAHHHH!!!!!hahahahaha....
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With all that is going on in the world...THIS is what you choose to spend your precious remaining hours obsessing over?


putin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


The end time is not now so stop fretting.

I do not regard my time as precious, never have done. Always put other people and animals safety and regard ahead of my reality equation.

Me=0

slug=1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25960283


Seriously. GET. HELP.
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Help is what I'm offering not receiving. Now if your little unempathic brain cannot grasp that then GET. HELP
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25960283


I'm sorry that I don't feel empathy for bacteria. I guess I'm just not as good a person as you are.

Apparently just a whole LOT cleaner.

bad_smelly
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
I intend to buy a cow, maybe even a few, and have them produce milk for me. I would then turn that milk into kefir which becomes food for myself. That food will help me to become stronger so that I may go out and grow the foods the cows need to survive and become stronger. I see it as a symbiosis really, not parasitical. The cows have something I need, and I have something the cows need, the means to provide for them.
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i dont drink milk. it has never appealed to me. i recently started drinking almond "milk" and find it quite tasty. i dont know if it's a decent alternative for an avid milk drinker, but i would recommend looking into it. could help decrease demand.
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Thanks for the reply. Rice milk I find quite nice.

To find peace between human and human surely the first step is peace between human and animal?
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i dont drink milk. it has never appealed to me. i recently started drinking almond "milk" and find it quite tasty. i dont know if it's a decent alternative for an avid milk drinker, but i would recommend looking into it. could help decrease demand.
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Thanks for the reply. Rice milk I find quite nice.

To find peace between human and human surely the first step is peace between human and animal?
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No dis intended but how do you milk an almond or a grain of rice? I dont understand how you can get milk from something that doesn`t produce milk.wtf
" It`s only weird the first time" ;p
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Re: Is the drinking of milk more cruel than eating a fellow creature?
I intend to buy a cow, maybe even a few, and have them produce milk for me. I would then turn that milk into kefir which becomes food for myself. That food will help me to become stronger so that I may go out and grow the foods the cows need to survive and become stronger. I see it as a symbiosis really, not parasitical. The cows have something I need, and I have something the cows need, the means to provide for them.
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That's what a farm is for...and then you sell your excess...OP must think robots are going to grow all his food for him...
With freedom comes responsibility.

Heterosexual pride!

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It is all about being aware of what is going on whether in your reality or the reality that you are oblivious to but still exists. Like being tuned into a particular radio station when another delivers its airwaves into your home.

Your conscience influences your lifestyle if you adhere to it. The media tries to control your consciousness if you allow it.

The so called 'nanny state' is the biggest con ever. It really is the fascist state. But when you tell the public it is 'nanny state' They think of Mary Poppins. 'Oh look they want to look after us'.

EH NO! THEY WANT TO CONTROL YOU!

They look upon you as you look upon the calf that has been taken from her loving mother.

Who is the guilty one here?
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I intend to buy a cow, maybe even a few, and have them produce milk for me. I would then turn that milk into kefir which becomes food for myself. That food will help me to become stronger so that I may go out and grow the foods the cows need to survive and become stronger. I see it as a symbiosis really, not parasitical. The cows have something I need, and I have something the cows need, the means to provide for them.
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That's what a farm is for...and then you sell your excess...OP must think robots are going to grow all his food for him...
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Something dies from any given human/animal action, no matter how innocent.

It's all about alleviating the negativity.
morphic oceans (OP)
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Psychopaths are read throughout the sentients. Are you a psychopath because you eat an innocent life? ARE YOU? ARE YOU?

Maybe a higher being will come and string your parents up and slash their throats. How will you feel?

Don't go through life grow through life.

Do unto others, that goes for other creatures.

If you don't care for a cow are you a psychopath?
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I intend to buy a cow, maybe even a few, and have them produce milk for me. I would then turn that milk into kefir which becomes food for myself. That food will help me to become stronger so that I may go out and grow the foods the cows need to survive and become stronger. I see it as a symbiosis really, not parasitical. The cows have something I need, and I have something the cows need, the means to provide for them.
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What is important in life is life and not the result of life.

The human mind is never aware of the true callousness of nature, for if he was then insanity would be imprinted.
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i was vegan 4 years ago

felt like shit


i'm sorry, i'm eatin' meat today and tomorrow
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i was vegan 4 years ago

felt like shit


i'm sorry, i'm eatin' meat today and tomorrow
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It's all in the mind.
Eating meat is a brainwashed idea.

Could you stamp on a vulnerable chicken?

Then why allow other people to do ir for you?

Come on people, we want a better world. Lets start from the basics.

This forum is built from ending lives. Yet we do by the simple fact of eating.


I tried to write a compassionte note but by which time 20000 animals had died.

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