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Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened

 
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Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
I have watched a large number of videos/seminars and many other informational sources that we live in a holographic universe.

However, these people who tell us these things are here, and just telling us when in 'reality' they are selling books and seminars. Doesn't this tell us that they themselves have no concept to escape the reality they say doesn't exist.

Like in The Matrix, the people who took the red pill don't actually go out and tell people they took the red pill, as they are altered beyond our known existence.

So my main issue that has never been answered is -

If each of us partake in this reality, then surely the observer has precedence over any change you try to make and if that observer has the backing of 7 billion people, surely changing reality would only make you look like your observing a fantasy equaling madness?
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maybe you should change your question and leave out the 'enlightened' lol

My answer to your question:

Don't believe anything! Don't even believe my answer.

People who have 'seen' or 'see' don't sell books, they don't speak at events and earn hundert-thousands of money per event.

I don't say that those people don't have certain knowledge, but they had to step back from their path to not go crazy, in other words, they have fallen back, and with time they forgot their knowledge. For those people it's like someone else is telling them a story, a theory, a myth - when in fact it's their fractured self from where they do have all the information from - which finally means, at best - everything you can get from those people is - fractured knowledge, which is neither truth nor usable.

Truth is very very simple. Everything you need to learn IS yourself.
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
Dude your doing it wrong. Thinking that it is.

Anyways, if reality is determined by the observer you are all alone in your reality.

If in reality there are more than one observers, each observer has its own reality.

No two realities can affect nor effect the other because of the observer.

Quite simple really.

Now as far as 7B individuals all sharing the same reality. How can you determine that? By observing? Not if reality is dependent on the individuals observation.

You are all alone. Nothing exists. Not even you.
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
the holograph is in your head.
a visual projection of perceived reality.
perceived through emotional filters,
compared constantly to past experience.

the riddle

the future being colored by fears
for most, bound by daily struggle.
no time to stop; to dry our tears,
trapped inside a juggle.
hf
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
It's true!

This "physical" world is the dream world of illusions.

The *real* world is outside this one at a higher vibration.
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
the you create your own reality message brings in shit loads of money, no doubt about that.
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
maybe you should change your question and leave out the 'enlightened' lol

My answer to your question:

Don't believe anything! Don't even believe my answer.

People who have 'seen' or 'see' don't sell books, they don't speak at events and earn hundert-thousands of money per event.

I don't say that those people don't have certain knowledge, but they had to step back from their path to not go crazy, in other words, they have fallen back, and with time they forgot their knowledge. For those people it's like someone else is telling them a story, a theory, a myth - when in fact it's their fractured self from where they do have all the information from - which finally means, at best - everything you can get from those people is - fractured knowledge, which is neither truth nor usable.

Truth is very very simple. Everything you need to learn IS yourself.
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I disagree with this statement:

"People who have 'seen' or 'see' don't sell books, they don't speak at events and earn hundert-thousands of money per event."

Read Byron Katie. Her main point is this:

"Truth is very very simple. Everything you need to learn IS yourself."

;)
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
It's true!

This "physical" world is the dream world of illusions.

The *real* world is outside this one at a higher vibration.
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hf
the real world outside our heads.
vibrates at a higher frequency
then our perception through fear
can decipher, realize your fear.

then remove it,
roots and all.
your source helping,
absorbed by it's force.


[link to www.youtube.com]

peace
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
the you create your own reality message brings in shit loads of money, no doubt about that.
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yes, i agree

it's like a person who publishes a book about 'How to shit' or 'How to drink a glass of water' and people buy it!

of course you create your reality to some fundamental degree.
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
maybe you should change your question and leave out the 'enlightened' lol

My answer to your question:

Don't believe anything! Don't even believe my answer.

People who have 'seen' or 'see' don't sell books, they don't speak at events and earn hundert-thousands of money per event.

I don't say that those people don't have certain knowledge, but they had to step back from their path to not go crazy, in other words, they have fallen back, and with time they forgot their knowledge. For those people it's like someone else is telling them a story, a theory, a myth - when in fact it's their fractured self from where they do have all the information from - which finally means, at best - everything you can get from those people is - fractured knowledge, which is neither truth nor usable.

Truth is very very simple. Everything you need to learn IS yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9401665


I disagree with this statement:

"People who have 'seen' or 'see' don't sell books, they don't speak at events and earn hundert-thousands of money per event."

Read Byron Katie. Her main point is this:

"Truth is very very simple. Everything you need to learn IS yourself."

;)
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well

lol

i don't buy it!

hf
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
The whole world happens in your brain through neurons, electrical signals, chemical reactions, etc. So now that you see that the whole world happens in your brain, you're half way there. You've got to add the fact, which is, that you're brain is happening in the outside world. So the "outer" world happens in your brain, but your brain happens in the outside world. So you're doing it and it's doing you, It's called a transaction.
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the you create your own reality message brings in shit loads of money, no doubt about that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 706857


yes, i agree

it's like a person who publishes a book about 'How to shit' or 'How to drink a glass of water' and people buy it!

of course you create your reality to some fundamental degree.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9401665


a person who thinks about writing a book and never creates or
publishes, out of fear of rejection. has been neutered by our
lovely system of mass wasting human talent for meager monetary
return for a few selected.

material wealth as feedback is a promise of worries of basic
needs being solved, while wealth always brings worry along.
once had; the comforts of modern pampering, easy living
becomes the normal standard. making "poverty" seem like hell.

why can't humans be born with a house and clothes already.
why can't we get energy from the sun like plants.
why do we have to rely on those who in turn treat us as food.
why can't we just all get along, belly full, safe and happy.
?

hf
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
The whole world happens in your brain through neurons, electrical signals, chemical reactions, etc. So now that you see that the whole world happens in your brain, you're half way there. You've got to add the fact, which is, that you're brain is happening in the outside world. So the "outer" world happens in your brain, but your brain happens in the outside world. So you're doing it and it's doing you, It's called a transaction.
 Quoting: Tathata


you are but a node,
in the wast web
of the collective
mind of the world.
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
yeah this is basically a backwards theory.


Here's a better way of understanding it:

The means by which the universe is held together - i.e. physics, and with specific reference to the quantum level - is essentially a holographic image.

The physical world is in a sense not physical at all.

But at the same time, don't go thinking it's a matrix or a simulation or a false reality. There's nothing beyond it - this is as real as it gets.


Our universe is very strange; hard surfaces made of mostly nothing. Gravity.

it exists despite it being impossible for it to exist (either it's existed forever, which is impossible.. it have to have a start point) or it created itself out of nothing (also impossible). So the universe is simultaneously impossible and yet quite obviously possible.

Answer: It's all just a dream in the mind of god ;)
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
The whole world happens in your brain through neurons, electrical signals, chemical reactions, etc. So now that you see that the whole world happens in your brain, you're half way there. You've got to add the fact, which is, that you're brain is happening in the outside world. So the "outer" world happens in your brain, but your brain happens in the outside world. So you're doing it and it's doing you, It's called a transaction.
 Quoting: Tathata

How do you know your brain is real? Science is now saying that there is no actual material world. That would include our brain.
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The whole world happens in your brain through neurons, electrical signals, chemical reactions, etc. So now that you see that the whole world happens in your brain, you're half way there. You've got to add the fact, which is, that you're brain is happening in the outside world. So the "outer" world happens in your brain, but your brain happens in the outside world. So you're doing it and it's doing you, It's called a transaction.
 Quoting: Tathata

How do you know your brain is real? Science is now saying that there is no actual material world. That would include our brain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26250242


That also is correct.

So now, you're asking, what is "I".

Good start.

Last Edited by Tathata on 11/19/2012 07:55 PM
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
The whole world happens in your brain through neurons, electrical signals, chemical reactions, etc. So now that you see that the whole world happens in your brain, you're half way there. You've got to add the fact, which is, that you're brain is happening in the outside world. So the "outer" world happens in your brain, but your brain happens in the outside world. So you're doing it and it's doing you, It's called a transaction.
 Quoting: Tathata

How do you know your brain is real? Science is now saying that there is no actual material world. That would include our brain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26250242


That also is correct.

So now, you're asking, what is "I".

Good start.
 Quoting: Tathata


for labor.

we are replicating conscious labor machines,
our consciousness with a built in switch.
once switched on, consciousness awakes.
the trick is, hide the switch from everyone.
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
The whole world happens in your brain through neurons, electrical signals, chemical reactions, etc. So now that you see that the whole world happens in your brain, you're half way there. You've got to add the fact, which is, that you're brain is happening in the outside world. So the "outer" world happens in your brain, but your brain happens in the outside world. So you're doing it and it's doing you, It's called a transaction.
 Quoting: Tathata

How do you know your brain is real? Science is now saying that there is no actual material world. That would include our brain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26250242


That also is correct.

So now, you're asking, what is "I".

Good start.
 Quoting: Tathata


for labor.

we are replicating conscious labor machines,
our consciousness with a built in switch.
once switched on, consciousness awakes.
the trick is, hide the switch from everyone.
 Quoting: Horus 19949961


Retarded fairy tale made up myth.
Empty and marvelous
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How do you know your brain is real? Science is now saying that there is no actual material world. That would include our brain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26250242


That also is correct.

So now, you're asking, what is "I".

Good start.
 Quoting: Tathata


for labor.

we are replicating conscious labor machines,
our consciousness with a built in switch.
once switched on, consciousness awakes.
the trick is, hide the switch from everyone.
 Quoting: Horus 19949961


Retarded fairy tale made up myth.
 Quoting: Tathata


hf
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funny how a made up myth
has become my own
personal experience.
perfectly proving it's validation.

labor off.
seek on.
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funny how a made up myth
has become my own
personal experience.
perfectly proving it's validation.

labor off.
seek on.
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You create your own reality, if that's how you see it, so bet it.
Empty and marvelous
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funny how a made up myth
has become my own
personal experience.
perfectly proving it's validation.

labor off.
seek on.
 Quoting: Horus 19949961


You create your own reality, if that's how you see it, so bet it.
 Quoting: Tathata


said the love scientist
to the remaining lab rat.
after disposing of
it's dead brothers.
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There is nothing "out there". Everything exists within, including the kingdom of heaven. The only access is stillness, and The Thugs in Charge are hell bent in creating anything but.
To conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom.
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There is nothing "out there". Everything exists within, including the kingdom of heaven. The only access is stillness, and The Thugs in Charge are hell bent in creating anything but.
 Quoting: Hollow Bones


You're it!
Empty and marvelous
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There is nothing "out there". Everything exists within, including the kingdom of heaven. The only access is stillness, and The Thugs in Charge are hell bent in creating anything but.
 Quoting: Hollow Bones


thugs in charge want to trade
us inner peace for us to give
up the external world. selling
us the lie of the minds eye.

reality is, what's it.
thinking food on your table;
food produced and sold,
by having labored for money.

in a system corrupted,
all information twisted.
nodes of reinforcement
agents telling lies.

matrix made of ideas,
ideas that shape your perception,
perception of what is real,
real is what all agree on.

even when what agreed on
is wrong.
in the matrix,
"truth" faked as the source.
hf
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
I have watched a large number of videos/seminars and many other informational sources that we live in a holographic universe.

However, these people who tell us these things are here, and just telling us when in 'reality' they are selling books and seminars. Doesn't this tell us that they themselves have no concept to escape the reality they say doesn't exist.

Like in The Matrix, the people who took the red pill don't actually go out and tell people they took the red pill, as they are altered beyond our known existence.

So my main issue that has never been answered is -

If each of us partake in this reality, then surely the observer has precedence over any change you try to make and if that observer has the backing of 7 billion people, surely changing reality would only make you look like your observing a fantasy equaling madness?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8395281


People who work hard at something have a right to make a bit of cheese off it. You write a book, it takes money to edit and publish, the book must be sold for money. That being said, take an author like Tom Campbell. He is probably the strongest and most believable proponent of holographic universe and his book is available for free, as are all his seminars online.

Secondly, there is no need to 'escape' this reality, its humming along fine and doing exactly what its supposed to do. Its an opportunity for all of us to grow personally and subjectively.

As for your main issue, it wasnt very clear what you are in doubt over, but I think that you are saying the reality known to the masses makes these holographic universe proponents look mad? Well, the short answer is, those at the forefront like Galileo or Einstein are usually few in number and shunned by the masses at first. Doesnt take away from the truth of the message, however.
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I have watched a large number of videos/seminars and many other informational sources that we live in a holographic universe.

However, these people who tell us these things are here, and just telling us when in 'reality' they are selling books and seminars. Doesn't this tell us that they themselves have no concept to escape the reality they say doesn't exist.

Like in The Matrix, the people who took the red pill don't actually go out and tell people they took the red pill, as they are altered beyond our known existence.

So my main issue that has never been answered is -

If each of us partake in this reality, then surely the observer has precedence over any change you try to make and if that observer has the backing of 7 billion people, surely changing reality would only make you look like your observing a fantasy equaling madness?
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Wtf are you saying bwahahahahahahaha!!!
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I have watched a large number of videos/seminars and many other informational sources that we live in a holographic universe.

However, these people who tell us these things are here, and just telling us when in 'reality' they are selling books and seminars. Doesn't this tell us that they themselves have no concept to escape the reality they say doesn't exist.

Like in The Matrix, the people who took the red pill don't actually go out and tell people they took the red pill, as they are altered beyond our known existence.

So my main issue that has never been answered is -

If each of us partake in this reality, then surely the observer has precedence over any change you try to make and if that observer has the backing of 7 billion people, surely changing reality would only make you look like your observing a fantasy equaling madness?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8395281


People who work hard at something have a right to make a bit of cheese off it. You write a book, it takes money to edit and publish, the book must be sold for money. That being said, take an author like Tom Campbell. He is probably the strongest and most believable proponent of holographic universe and his book is available for free, as are all his seminars online.

Secondly, there is no need to 'escape' this reality, its humming along fine and doing exactly what its supposed to do. Its an opportunity for all of us to grow personally and subjectively.

As for your main issue, it wasnt very clear what you are in doubt over, but I think that you are saying the reality known to the masses makes these holographic universe proponents look mad? Well, the short answer is, those at the forefront like Galileo or Einstein are usually few in number and shunned by the masses at first. Doesnt take away from the truth of the message, however.
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perpetual need driven economics
are retarding our progress
as species long outgrown regarding
primitive perpetual struggle.
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Re: Holographic Universe - A question to the enlightened
Thanks for all the input guys some good stuff here.

I suppose what I'm saying is just that it appears too crazy to conceive that if everything is holographic in a sense then what happens in these two scenarios :

1. I go to the bathroom and a spider has made a web in the corner of the room. The next day the web has dust on it and the spider is gone.

Review : Now if I there is a concept that something doesn't exist unless I observer it, then why the hell is the spider there in the first place and I really didn't expect to see dust on the web when the bathroom is clean. Noone else in the house to observer but me. Did I create the spider, web and dust, as I presume a group think didn't create it.

2. A hypnotist can make a single person in front of an audience think that they are in an empty room, yet all the audience observes the person perceiving that they are not there.

Review : Who is controlling the reality, the hypnotised person or the audience who laugh and watch on.


It would appear there is a construct that dictates everything around us, the random, the obvious, the physical laws and the general universe. However if the concept of the holographic universe is that you can change this, I would presume it's impossible as whatever you create, however bizarre ie turning yourself invisible, would collapse when people observe you thinking that your invisible, hence your mad. An example would be a mad man (in our sense) can see giant elephants jumping through the air but noone else can see it or believe it, but the mad man has full belief that they see them. Are they mad, or is it the group think and construct is too strong for everyone else to see his reality?

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