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Student Expelled for Refusing Location Tracking RFID Badge

 
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After months of protesting a policy requiring high school students to wear an RFID-enabled ID badge around their necks at all times, Andrea Hernandez is being involuntarily withdrawn from John Jay High School in San Antonio effective November 26th, according to a letter sent by the district that has now been made public.

Letter from John Jay High School withdrawing Andrea Hernandez for not submitting to the RFID tracking ID badges.The letter, sent on November 13, informs her father that the Smart ID program, which was phased in with the new school year, is now in “full implementation” and requires all students to comply by wearing the location-tracking badges.

Since Andrea Hernandez has refused to wear the badge, she is being withdrawn from the magnate school and her program at the Science and Engineering Academy, and instead will have to attend William Howard Taft HS, which is not currently involved in the ID scheme, unless she changes her position.


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Can't blame her.

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Who told that student they were free?! Must have been one of those evil parents trying to teach the states' shilldren about that backwards 1700's Bill of Rights thing.





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REVOLUTION!!!!!!
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Wow, getting scary out there!
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Um... after my initial post, I actually read the expulsion letter and as much as I would like to drag the chip Nazis through the mud, the letter they sent the parents indicates that they offered to allow the badge to be worn with the chip and battery removed. So, while it is still ID conditioning, she wouldn't be trackably chipped. Effectively it looks like withouth the chip and battery it wouldn't be any different than a common lanyard.

So the quesiton is, is that an allowable conditioning?

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"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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I want this to have a little more viewing. It is not about the big leap , it is about the little nudges. It is the erosion not the tsunami.
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Wow, getting scary out there!
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Fuck them government indoctrination pens.

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So the quesiton is, is that an allowable conditioning?
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There is an entire background of conditioning to accept control and authority everywhere. In a couple generations no one will question the need for authoritarian control. I am aware on a similar idea for drivers licenses and eventually cars themselves. In the old Soviet Union, you needed papers to travel. In stead of permission papaers, this way the possibility exists to disallow travel completely. In this case the car will detect the RFID DL of any person in the car and if they are on the proscribed list, the car will not run.
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I don't mean to sound anti-conspiracy, but just to keep everything in perspective...

Conditioning to influence behavior is kind of how societies function. We may not like this conditioning, but we've always had it, this is just a new and slightly different kind.

You can't live in a group of people and be free at the same time. Not really.

Freedom then, is an illusion.

That doesn't mean that we need to be chipped, like this, but it also doesn't mean that the idea is wrong.

Why shouldn't the school know where the kids are? We all assume that the government would misuse such things to frame people they didn't like (as if they can't frame them now?) but do you really think a school will?

This seems to be about a resistance to change, rather than a well thought out and specific argument.

Not that i'm not all for resisting change, just because, but let's not lie to ourselves about why we're doing things.
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well, i for one don.t want to incarnate again if this bb society is getting much worse , like in a tracking chip or implant.
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Um... after my initial post, I actually read the expulsion letter and as much as I would like to drag the chip Nazis through the mud, the letter they sent the parents indicates that they offered to allow the badge to be worn with the chip and battery removed. So, while it is still ID conditioning, she wouldn't be trackably chipped. Effectively it looks like withouth the chip and battery it wouldn't be any different than a common lanyard.

So the quesiton is, is that an allowable conditioning?
 Quoting: Resister


Most if not all high schools require ID to be worn or on person at all times anyway. Seems no different then this minus the RFID of course. If that is allowable conditioning, then it's been going on for decades and isn't anything new. What is a HS ID compared to a DL or SS card? Without the RFID it's all the same.
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don't comply, no one should, they can't expell every student. Man up everyone.
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Um... after my initial post, I actually read the expulsion letter and as much as I would like to drag the chip Nazis through the mud, the letter they sent the parents indicates that they offered to allow the badge to be worn with the chip and battery removed. So, while it is still ID conditioning, she wouldn't be trackably chipped. Effectively it looks like withouth the chip and battery it wouldn't be any different than a common lanyard.

So the quesiton is, is that an allowable conditioning?
 Quoting: Resister


The fundamental issue is that no person has a right to control, manipulate, or coerce anyone else. Period.

Doesn't matter who they are, for whom they work, or what they're trying to accomplish. Fuck control freaks.
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I don't mean to sound anti-conspiracy, but just to keep everything in perspective...

Conditioning to influence behavior is kind of how societies function. We may not like this conditioning, but we've always had it, this is just a new and slightly different kind.

You can't live in a group of people and be free at the same time. Not really.

Freedom then, is an illusion.

That doesn't mean that we need to be chipped, like this, but it also doesn't mean that the idea is wrong.

Why shouldn't the school know where the kids are? We all assume that the government would misuse such things to frame people they didn't like (as if they can't frame them now?) but do you really think a school will?

This seems to be about a resistance to change, rather than a well thought out and specific argument.

Not that i'm not all for resisting change, just because, but let's not lie to ourselves about why we're doing things.
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Well I guess if we didn't resist change there would still be slavery. Women would still be in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. Our current President would not be black.

There is no human on Earth that does not rebel against chains and restrictions. Some restrictions need to be overthrown for the good of all. Some make sense but not all. It's good to put a person away if they harm others. It's bad to enslave someone because some people think they are above others. The truth is it is a form of enslavement to keep others on a leash when they haven't been charged with a crime and when we abolished slavery already. In truth, the school is committing a crime to allow these children to be tagged like animals in a zoo. Or like slaves used to be.
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So the quesiton is, is that an allowable conditioning?
 Quoting: Resister


There is an entire background of conditioning to accept control and authority everywhere. In a couple generations no one will question the need for authoritarian control. I am aware on a similar idea for drivers licenses and eventually cars themselves. In the old Soviet Union, you needed papers to travel. In stead of permission papaers, this way the possibility exists to disallow travel completely. In this case the car will detect the RFID DL of any person in the car and if they are on the proscribed list, the car will not run.
 Quoting: Prostetnik


This is the conversation that needs to happen. There has to be a hard line drawn between simple safety and security licenses and ID like for driving or to protect against fraud and denying free travel, cataloging, and tracking people like cattle.

I don't have a problem with a drivers license requirement because I want at least some basic assurance that the drivers whizing by my at 70 miles an hour know the laws of the road and have at least basic competency at driving.

I have a big problem with requiring a free person to carry state approved ID at all times for no other reason than control.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Like they couldn't just track the gps on her smartphone.
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They should have just smashed the RFID chip in the badge. I did to all my cards and DL that had them.
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Um... after my initial post, I actually read the expulsion letter and as much as I would like to drag the chip Nazis through the mud, the letter they sent the parents indicates that they offered to allow the badge to be worn with the chip and battery removed. So, while it is still ID conditioning, she wouldn't be trackably chipped. Effectively it looks like withouth the chip and battery it wouldn't be any different than a common lanyard.

So the quesiton is, is that an allowable conditioning?
 Quoting: Resister


Most if not all high schools require ID to be worn or on person at all times anyway. Seems no different then this minus the RFID of course. If that is allowable conditioning, then it's been going on for decades and isn't anything new. What is a HS ID compared to a DL or SS card? Without the RFID it's all the same.
 Quoting: J-Honey


I am 43. I was never required or even asked to carry any form of ID in any grade k-12. I was expected to have ID available for access to various things on my college campus like the library, the pre-paid cafeteria, and parking.

Now that I have kids, I was uneasy to learn that one of the local grade schools did require the kids to wear a basic ID lanyard and my kids did for the couple of years they were at that school. Neither of my kids in middle or High School are currently required to carry ID.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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NOW would be a good time to invest in starting your OWN private school.

My children are grown but I can tell you that they would not be attending ANY PUBLIC school this day and age.
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NOW would be a good time to invest in starting your OWN private school.

My children are grown but I can tell you that they would not be attending ANY PUBLIC school this day and age.
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Wouldn't it be great to own a private school? I'd hire ALL conservative, patriotic, God-fearing teachers. Is there any such thing? All Libtards need not apply!
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don't comply, no one should, they can't expell every student. Man up everyone.
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Right!
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NOW would be a good time to invest in starting your OWN private school.

My children are grown but I can tell you that they would not be attending ANY PUBLIC school this day and age.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9966035


Wouldn't it be great to own a private school? I'd hire ALL conservative, patriotic, God-fearing teachers. Is there any such thing? All Libtards need not apply!
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They exist. in lots of places. And homeschooling societies can help too.

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