Student Expelled for Refusing Location Tracking RFID Badge | |
lukeagain User ID: 28092891 United States 11/19/2012 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Resister User ID: 1461638 United States 11/19/2012 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who told that student they were free?! Must have been one of those evil parents trying to teach the states' shilldren about that backwards 1700's Bill of Rights thing. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
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Resister User ID: 1461638 United States 11/19/2012 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Um... after my initial post, I actually read the expulsion letter and as much as I would like to drag the chip Nazis through the mud, the letter they sent the parents indicates that they offered to allow the badge to be worn with the chip and battery removed. So, while it is still ID conditioning, she wouldn't be trackably chipped. Effectively it looks like withouth the chip and battery it wouldn't be any different than a common lanyard. So the quesiton is, is that an allowable conditioning? Last Edited by Resister on 11/19/2012 08:17 PM "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
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Prostetnik User ID: 28208028 Canada 11/21/2012 09:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is an entire background of conditioning to accept control and authority everywhere. In a couple generations no one will question the need for authoritarian control. I am aware on a similar idea for drivers licenses and eventually cars themselves. In the old Soviet Union, you needed papers to travel. In stead of permission papaers, this way the possibility exists to disallow travel completely. In this case the car will detect the RFID DL of any person in the car and if they are on the proscribed list, the car will not run. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 536600 United States 11/21/2012 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't mean to sound anti-conspiracy, but just to keep everything in perspective... Conditioning to influence behavior is kind of how societies function. We may not like this conditioning, but we've always had it, this is just a new and slightly different kind. You can't live in a group of people and be free at the same time. Not really. Freedom then, is an illusion. That doesn't mean that we need to be chipped, like this, but it also doesn't mean that the idea is wrong. Why shouldn't the school know where the kids are? We all assume that the government would misuse such things to frame people they didn't like (as if they can't frame them now?) but do you really think a school will? This seems to be about a resistance to change, rather than a well thought out and specific argument. Not that i'm not all for resisting change, just because, but let's not lie to ourselves about why we're doing things. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 20566260 United States 11/21/2012 09:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Um... after my initial post, I actually read the expulsion letter and as much as I would like to drag the chip Nazis through the mud, the letter they sent the parents indicates that they offered to allow the badge to be worn with the chip and battery removed. So, while it is still ID conditioning, she wouldn't be trackably chipped. Effectively it looks like withouth the chip and battery it wouldn't be any different than a common lanyard. Quoting: Resister So the quesiton is, is that an allowable conditioning? Most if not all high schools require ID to be worn or on person at all times anyway. Seems no different then this minus the RFID of course. If that is allowable conditioning, then it's been going on for decades and isn't anything new. What is a HS ID compared to a DL or SS card? Without the RFID it's all the same. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24685410 United States 11/21/2012 09:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Um... after my initial post, I actually read the expulsion letter and as much as I would like to drag the chip Nazis through the mud, the letter they sent the parents indicates that they offered to allow the badge to be worn with the chip and battery removed. So, while it is still ID conditioning, she wouldn't be trackably chipped. Effectively it looks like withouth the chip and battery it wouldn't be any different than a common lanyard. Quoting: Resister So the quesiton is, is that an allowable conditioning? The fundamental issue is that no person has a right to control, manipulate, or coerce anyone else. Period. Doesn't matter who they are, for whom they work, or what they're trying to accomplish. Fuck control freaks. |
Kissplash User ID: 18998054 United States 11/21/2012 09:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't mean to sound anti-conspiracy, but just to keep everything in perspective... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 536600 Conditioning to influence behavior is kind of how societies function. We may not like this conditioning, but we've always had it, this is just a new and slightly different kind. You can't live in a group of people and be free at the same time. Not really. Freedom then, is an illusion. That doesn't mean that we need to be chipped, like this, but it also doesn't mean that the idea is wrong. Why shouldn't the school know where the kids are? We all assume that the government would misuse such things to frame people they didn't like (as if they can't frame them now?) but do you really think a school will? This seems to be about a resistance to change, rather than a well thought out and specific argument. Not that i'm not all for resisting change, just because, but let's not lie to ourselves about why we're doing things. Well I guess if we didn't resist change there would still be slavery. Women would still be in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. Our current President would not be black. There is no human on Earth that does not rebel against chains and restrictions. Some restrictions need to be overthrown for the good of all. Some make sense but not all. It's good to put a person away if they harm others. It's bad to enslave someone because some people think they are above others. The truth is it is a form of enslavement to keep others on a leash when they haven't been charged with a crime and when we abolished slavery already. In truth, the school is committing a crime to allow these children to be tagged like animals in a zoo. Or like slaves used to be. LEARN HOW TO BE KIND OR BE LEFT BEHIND. OXOXO |
Resister User ID: 669410 United States 11/21/2012 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is an entire background of conditioning to accept control and authority everywhere. In a couple generations no one will question the need for authoritarian control. I am aware on a similar idea for drivers licenses and eventually cars themselves. In the old Soviet Union, you needed papers to travel. In stead of permission papaers, this way the possibility exists to disallow travel completely. In this case the car will detect the RFID DL of any person in the car and if they are on the proscribed list, the car will not run. This is the conversation that needs to happen. There has to be a hard line drawn between simple safety and security licenses and ID like for driving or to protect against fraud and denying free travel, cataloging, and tracking people like cattle. I don't have a problem with a drivers license requirement because I want at least some basic assurance that the drivers whizing by my at 70 miles an hour know the laws of the road and have at least basic competency at driving. I have a big problem with requiring a free person to carry state approved ID at all times for no other reason than control. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
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Resister User ID: 669410 United States 11/21/2012 10:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Um... after my initial post, I actually read the expulsion letter and as much as I would like to drag the chip Nazis through the mud, the letter they sent the parents indicates that they offered to allow the badge to be worn with the chip and battery removed. So, while it is still ID conditioning, she wouldn't be trackably chipped. Effectively it looks like withouth the chip and battery it wouldn't be any different than a common lanyard. Quoting: Resister So the quesiton is, is that an allowable conditioning? Most if not all high schools require ID to be worn or on person at all times anyway. Seems no different then this minus the RFID of course. If that is allowable conditioning, then it's been going on for decades and isn't anything new. What is a HS ID compared to a DL or SS card? Without the RFID it's all the same. I am 43. I was never required or even asked to carry any form of ID in any grade k-12. I was expected to have ID available for access to various things on my college campus like the library, the pre-paid cafeteria, and parking. Now that I have kids, I was uneasy to learn that one of the local grade schools did require the kids to wear a basic ID lanyard and my kids did for the couple of years they were at that school. Neither of my kids in middle or High School are currently required to carry ID. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 9966035 United States 11/21/2012 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NOW would be a good time to invest in starting your OWN private school. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9966035 My children are grown but I can tell you that they would not be attending ANY PUBLIC school this day and age. Wouldn't it be great to own a private school? I'd hire ALL conservative, patriotic, God-fearing teachers. Is there any such thing? All Libtards need not apply! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28167778 United States 11/21/2012 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NOW would be a good time to invest in starting your OWN private school. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9966035 My children are grown but I can tell you that they would not be attending ANY PUBLIC school this day and age. Wouldn't it be great to own a private school? I'd hire ALL conservative, patriotic, God-fearing teachers. Is there any such thing? All Libtards need not apply! They exist. in lots of places. And homeschooling societies can help too. |