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Why scientific study is so slow today

 
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Why scientific study is so slow today
One purpose of science is continuous improvement; especially on the human health front. Scientific study today is highly bottlenecked. Itís made to be very expensive and not many people do it. The PhD program is a bottleneck itself, so, by design, it prevents most people from doing research. We can easily educate and mobilize everyone to the simple task of making accurate scientific observations. Society could be designed to encourage people to enjoy researching anything and everything; and make it a very positive, fulfilling part of our day. Enjoy it, have fun with it! Instead, everybody on Earth is encouraged to enjoy themselves randomly and do nothing on the front of gaining real knowledge. We pay attention to media to see what other people have researched. Scientific research is bottlenecked by designÖ WHY? Simple: Itís to have high control and visibility over what is researched. It has been decided that technology is dangerous, and, therefore, research shall be bottlenecked to restrict and have tight control over the effort. Covert scientific development is unrestricted. Covert science, therefore, is where real cutting edge discovery happens, and itís either kept covert for whatever reason (strategic advantage, national security, etc) or itís made public at some point. Two worlds exist side by side; the public and the covert.

Multiply scientific study by 1000Ö we could easily be doing that every day. The covert / public dichotomy is the reason we are not doing it. Everybody can contribute to science, not just PhDs. Leaders deem it too dangerous to allow it, so progress occurs very slowly compared to what could be. Itís amazing how much progress we would very quickly make if the design of society was to make progress, but the design of society is to not make progress.
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Re: Why scientific study is so slow today
it's because we are nearing the end
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Re: Why scientific study is so slow today
I'm a professional physicist, so I'd like to make a few comments.

First of all, scientific research has never been as rapid as it is today. If you think back to the days of Newton or ancient Greeks, you maybe got a real breakthrough in a generation. Now we get breakthroughs in fundamental science on a monthly basis.

The reason why it seems slow is that the everyday applications of the scientific research lag behind. All the wonderful nanoscience I see in our lab will probably be available in ten or so years. Science is so far ahead of engineering and, for instance, materials processing that creating affordable applications based on new discoveries takes ages. Military is often the first adopter, because the cost is really not an issue and the production volume may be low. Then come the huge corporations and only much later the consumer grade products start appearing.

Secondly, science is so fragmented and focused on narrow areas that it is difficult to keep track of all that's going on. All the ingredients for the cure of cancer, theory of everything or true artificial intelligence may already be there, but there is so much information that it's impossible to see the woods from the trees.

Having more scientists (professional or amateur) will not help. In fact, since we're already drowning in scientific information, having more people publishing new results will only make the information congestion worse.

On the other hand, a true scientific singularity could happen, if someone created a true artificial intelligence that could rapidly shift through our vast scientific archives and draw its own conclusions. What we really need now is an efficient way of merging the existing fragmented information into more generic theories and applications.
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Re: Why scientific study is so slow today
If you think a PhD program is a bottleneck that prevents research then it sounds like you dont even know what a PhD is or entails.
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Re: Why scientific study is so slow today
because they discover everything!
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I'm a professional physicist, so I'd like to make a few comments.

First of all, scientific research has never been as rapid as it is today. If you think back to the days of Newton or ancient Greeks, you maybe got a real breakthrough in a generation. Now we get breakthroughs in fundamental science on a monthly basis.

The reason why it seems slow is that the everyday applications of the scientific research lag behind. All the wonderful nanoscience I see in our lab will probably be available in ten or so years. Science is so far ahead of engineering and, for instance, materials processing that creating affordable applications based on new discoveries takes ages. Military is often the first adopter, because the cost is really not an issue and the production volume may be low. Then come the huge corporations and only much later the consumer grade products start appearing.

Secondly, science is so fragmented and focused on narrow areas that it is difficult to keep track of all that's going on. All the ingredients for the cure of cancer, theory of everything or true artificial intelligence may already be there, but there is so much information that it's impossible to see the woods from the trees.

Having more scientists (professional or amateur) will not help. In fact, since we're already drowning in scientific information, having more people publishing new results will only make the information congestion worse.

On the other hand, a true scientific singularity could happen, if someone created a true artificial intelligence that could rapidly shift through our vast scientific archives and draw its own conclusions. What we really need now is an efficient way of merging the existing fragmented information into more generic theories and applications.
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BS about "never as rapid as today". Last major breakthrough was high-T superconductance in 1988. Nothin after and don't tell me anything about "graphene" etc. - whilst not all BS it is not on the same scale. Best period of discoveries was between 1905-1970 or so.
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Re: Why scientific study is so slow today
because mankind is of a more scientific state of mind so "they" can't pass bullshit as easily by.
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Re: Why scientific study is so slow today
because mankind is of a more scientific state of mind so "they" can't pass bullshit as easily by.
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9 out of 10 shill scientist find error in this responce.
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Re: Why scientific study is so slow today
One purpose of science is continuous improvement; especially on the human health front. Scientific study today is highly bottlenecked. Itís made to be very expensive and not many people do it. The PhD program is a bottleneck itself, so, by design, it prevents most people from doing research. We can easily educate and mobilize everyone to the simple task of making accurate scientific observations. Society could be designed to encourage people to enjoy researching anything and everything; and make it a very positive, fulfilling part of our day. Enjoy it, have fun with it! Instead, everybody on Earth is encouraged to enjoy themselves randomly and do nothing on the front of gaining real knowledge. We pay attention to media to see what other people have researched. Scientific research is bottlenecked by designÖ WHY? Simple: Itís to have high control and visibility over what is researched. It has been decided that technology is dangerous, and, therefore, research shall be bottlenecked to restrict and have tight control over the effort. Covert scientific development is unrestricted. Covert science, therefore, is where real cutting edge discovery happens, and itís either kept covert for whatever reason (strategic advantage, national security, etc) or itís made public at some point. Two worlds exist side by side; the public and the covert.

Multiply scientific study by 1000Ö we could easily be doing that every day. The covert / public dichotomy is the reason we are not doing it. Everybody can contribute to science, not just PhDs. Leaders deem it too dangerous to allow it, so progress occurs very slowly compared to what could be. Itís amazing how much progress we would very quickly make if the design of society was to make progress, but the design of society is to not make progress.
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only a small fraction of people are able to do science for reasons of both psychology and intellect
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Re: Why scientific study is so slow today
its becasue we are becoming even more impatient and easy bored about everything, the desire & inside emptiness can never be full filled with materials & tech ...

u kno wat im sayin
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Re: Why scientific study is so slow today
I'm a professional physicist, so I'd like to make a few comments.

First of all, scientific research has never been as rapid as it is today. If you think back to the days of Newton or ancient Greeks, you maybe got a real breakthrough in a generation. Now we get breakthroughs in fundamental science on a monthly basis.

The reason why it seems slow is that the everyday applications of the scientific research lag behind. All the wonderful nanoscience I see in our lab will probably be available in ten or so years. Science is so far ahead of engineering and, for instance, materials processing that creating affordable applications based on new discoveries takes ages. Military is often the first adopter, because the cost is really not an issue and the production volume may be low. Then come the huge corporations and only much later the consumer grade products start appearing.

Secondly, science is so fragmented and focused on narrow areas that it is difficult to keep track of all that's going on. All the ingredients for the cure of cancer, theory of everything or true artificial intelligence may already be there, but there is so much information that it's impossible to see the woods from the trees.

Having more scientists (professional or amateur) will not help. In fact, since we're already drowning in scientific information, having more people publishing new results will only make the information congestion worse.

On the other hand, a true scientific singularity could happen, if someone created a true artificial intelligence that could rapidly shift through our vast scientific archives and draw its own conclusions. What we really need now is an efficient way of merging the existing fragmented information into more generic theories and applications.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28128834


BS about "never as rapid as today". Last major breakthrough was high-T superconductance in 1988. Nothin after and don't tell me anything about "graphene" etc. - whilst not all BS it is not on the same scale. Best period of discoveries was between 1905-1970 or so.
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Spoken by someone ignorant of emerging technologies.

what about rear earth magnets leading to smaller speakers, motors etc.

Massive improvements in semiconductor technology. (I phone anybody)

Higgs boson

Nano crystalline cellulose (basically cheaper carbon fiber)

Colossal magneto resistive materials (better hard drives)

Carbon only electronics are approaching

Artificial wind pipes made from a donor pipe which is cleaned and colonized by the patients own stem cells


!!!!!!!!!THE FUCKING INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!



High Tc superconductivity has not really achieved that much. Allot of applications using superconductors still use Type 1 (normal) superconductors rather than type 2 (high Tc)

I appreciate that the gist of your post was paradigm changing discoveries. Paradigm changing discoveries are still happening its just that they can be so obscure it ends up being something only specialists are interested in.
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Re: Why scientific study is so slow today
I agree with what OP is saying, even if people are not directly involved they can still take a greater interest, effectively if science was more popular in society it may make a better world.

We need science fans
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Re: Why scientific study is so slow today
Also FYI AI might just be round the corner

[link to www.gizmag.com]
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Re: Why scientific study is so slow today
I don't care how fast or how slow, I just wish that politically driven science and fake science would vanish from the Earth..
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Re: Why scientific study is so slow today
its becasue we are becoming even more impatient and easy bored about everything, the desire & inside emptiness can never be full filled with materials & tech ...

u kno wat im sayin
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I hope so. I'm sick of commercials on tv.
Just feels so ugly and lost.
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Re: Why scientific study is so slow today
technology is incredibly dangerous...

has to be controlled
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Re: Why scientific study is so slow today
What I find fascinating is that you had a physicist provide you all with an excellent response and yet, the majority of the posters seem to disregard what he said. To persist in the belief that scientific study is "so slow" after his direct statement to the contrary is to persist in a cognitive bias and fallacious thinking.

Scientific study is NOT slow today. Reflect on your sources of this opinion. Is it based on news sources reporting scientific discoveries? The discoveries may simply not be "sexy" enough or too complex for the media to report. Or perhaps you're not actively looking for scientific discoveries but are relying on gut or emotion based opinion. Whereas a gut feeling may be good in a relationship, it's not a good measure of facts.
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