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Government health panel calls for all Americans aged 15-65 to be tested for HIV - WHAT?!

 
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This must be synchronicity, because I just wrote about the serious nature of STDs in relation to preppering...

Sexually transmitted disease (STDs) basics and their issues in a collapse

In a collapse, far few opportunities for promiscuous sex can occur in general. However, stress often makes people have risky behavior in intimate settings. In small communities, a few people with an STD could easily spread it. It certainly has happened in some very tiny rural communities.

Prostitution is a common fact of life in disrupted civilizations during wartime. It's always there as the oldest profession. Condoms will be very rare post-collapse as will birth control. People might prostitute themselves to feed their families and in trade for what is today a very low value item. Antibiotics will be rare, practically non-existent for trade. Would you trade your Amoxicillin, Cipro, or Septra? I wouldn't if I had it.

Affairs are common in most Western societies. We can expect that people living in close proximity will continue to have sex outside of marriage in the same proportions and based upon opportunity.

Probably 75-95 % of rapes are not reported due to shame and fear. 12-15% of American college women when surveyed about rape behavior reported that it had happened to them over their lifetime.

80,000 reported cases of childhood sexual abuse occur each year in America.

1 in 15 American women who do report a rape get a STD.

There is an extremely high chance of newborns acquiring an existing STD from their mother. Almost all births in a collapse will be vaginally delivered. Some can be spread from eye secretions like wiping their face on a towel and than another uses it.

Young people will often think they won't get a STD from oral sex. There's is a very high incident rate of oral sex among teenagers from age 13-17.

The most common complaint is a discharge (either painless or painful) from sexual orifices. Many don't detect anything at all.

Many cause sterility. In a collapse, expect the worst symptoms and outcomes. Some cases could cause brain infections.

There is generally a higher incidence rate among African-Americans than other races upon testing.

Many cases are involve co-morbidity (having more than one STD at the same time).

Young women and especially young African-American women have a much higher rate of STDs.

HIV
It's believed that 1.1 million Americans have HIV and that 20% don't realize they have it (240,000). 46% were African-American, 35% White, 18% Latino.

New cases
In the USA today, there are 19 million new infections of STDs each year. Half of these cases occur in young adults between the ages of 15-24.

HPV cases made up 6 million cases. Causes genital warts. Can affect the mouth and throat. Spontaneously heals in most cases in two years. Can cause cervical cancer.

Chlamydia cases made up 1.3 million cases. Most are asymptomatic. Can cause Pelvic Inflammatory Disease (PID)

Gonorrhea made up over 309,000 cases. Most women and some men are asymptomatic. Others report burning discharge. Can cause PID.

Syphilis made up about 14,000 cases. Causes sores on sexual orifices, and possibly on the lips and mouth. May appear as a rash somewhere on the body like the palms. Can go to the brain which can appear 10-30 years after the initial infection.

Herpes is complicated. Herpes Simplex 1 (HSV-1)infects many Americans and causes cold sores. Herpes Simplex 2 (HSV-2) is the one most known for causing genital sores (aka genital Herpes), but both variants of the virus can cause them when a cold sore is present. The virus can shed even when no sore is present. One in six American between the ages of 14-49 years of age have HSV-2. Many have no idea they are infected.

These are troubling statistics. People within your community may have been dealing with their illness just fine because they're being treated, or they might not know they have the disease. This is why condom use is so stressed.

In a collapse, we can expect for these illnesses to show up within tribes through sexual activity or abuse. We can expect pregnant moms to pass it to their newborns. We have no way to detect it if is asymptomatic. We won't be able to treat it. The infected may pass it around.

I have compassion for anyone infected. Parents, you especially need to teach your children about the dangers. We must not discriminate against someone with an STD anymore than say MRSA, but a wise prepper and especially a wise shaman must carefully protect the tribe. If you're someone sexually active reading this, you need to prep by storing condoms even more earnestly than you've probably considered.

Wrap it up, for you never know when your partner might have earlier been infected or might be having an affair.

Everyone who's ever been sexually active should be tested now to ensure detection and treatment. A full battery of tests is expensive (~$250 US).

One should be very cautious when new people are introduced into a tribe in a collapse. Because your tribe is much more secure than infected people being alone, many might be tempted to lie about any pre-existing medical conditions, be that tuberculosis or an STD. The latter can only be passed sexually, so let's use logic as shamans and not create hysteria post-collapse.

Many people have had a case of an STD, sought treatment with high dose antibiotics given in a single dose because that's the fastest and most secure means of ensuring it's cured.

You should be concerned about active STDs, but knowing someone's medical history will help you treat them later. Mostly these are future fertility issues. You must keep it confidential as you can imagine the dangers of gossip in such a small tribal community.

Prepping is really about prudence and common sense. It has very little to do with bugging out and gear. It's about being a thoughtful person and imagining the best way to prevent an issue and saving money should a disaster stike or really OTHERWISE.
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Ican see this as MORE labels and discrimination...
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Here is the draft of the recommendation (hopefully it will work properly):

[link to www.uspreventiveservicestaskforce.org]


This panel recommends new screenings all the time. I would assume it is like most others; if you decline the test, you are not forced to do it. I know many people who are told they should have a colonoscopy beginning at age 50. They decline. Same with mammograms; etc.
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I would hope it would be voluntary, but now that the government is involved in healthcare I wonder about their intentions and whether it would stay that way.
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Reminds me a bit of this...the Emergency Health Powers Act that some states have managed to pass.




Under the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act, upon the declaration of a "public health emergency," governors and public health officials would be empowered to:

Force individuals suspected of harboring an "infectious disease" to undergo medical examinations.
Track and share an individual's personal health information, including genetic information.
Force persons to be vaccinated, treated, or quarantined for infectious diseases.
Mandate that all health care providers report all cases of persons who harbor any illness or health condition that may be caused by an epidemic or an infectious agent and might pose a "substantial risk" to a "significant number of people or cause a long-term disability." (Note: Neither "substantial risk" nor "significant number" are defined in the draft.)
Force pharmacists to report any unusual or any increased prescription rates that may be caused by epidemic diseases.
Preempt existing state laws, rules and regulations, including those relating to privacy, medical licensure, and--this is key--property rights.
Control public and private property during a public health emergency, including pharmaceutical manufacturing plants, nursing homes, other health care facilities, and communications devices.
Mobilize all or any part of the "organized militia into service to the state to help enforce the state's orders."
Ration firearms, explosives, food, fuel and alcoholic beverages, among other commodities.
Impose fines and penalties to enforce their orders.


More [link to www.heritage.org]
 Quoting: Laura Bow


EMR- Electronic Medical Records are being instituted to give our loving government & others, access to our medical records anytime they so desire.

If one trusts their loving government then go right ahead & encourage your family Doc to participate in EMR. If you are a little uneasy with the thought, seek out a Doc who refuses to obey & refuses EMR. There are many.

EMR is dangerous. If something becomes electronic, it can be hacked. If it can be hacked, it can be changed. If the facts can be altered, it is no longer a fact or the truth.

If the facts can be manipulated & changed, then the so called truth, can be fabricatated. This is exactly how true facts becomes fiction. When the truthful facts can no longer be diffentiated from the manipulated, fabricated facts, we are all in great risk.

Imagine if you can, that TPTB decide that you are a problem. Suddenly, your electronic footprint is altered.
Let's face it folks, if our electronic financial systems can be hijacked, if the Department of Defense can be hacked, we must know that our private medical records are no longer private.

Tell your Doc you don't want an electronic medical record. Stay as far away from EMR as possible.
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Start in Washington D.C.
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All Americans aged 15 to 65 should be tested for HIV, a government health panel has recommended.

According to the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, an estimated 200,000 people nationwide don't realise they are infected with the virus that can cause AIDS.

Officials said the new draft recommendation is aimed at preventing those people from infecting others or developing AIDS themselves.

If finalised, private insurers would have to pay for the test.

More at [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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just the beginning of a very intrusive government. Your freedom is now lost. sheep must be ruled. Your only saving grace will come from mother nature. pray for earth changes.....
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You go to any medical facility where they take blood they do an HIV test, to protect the workers. You don't have to agree to it really.

Ask for a detailed bill, it's on there, usually with your results.

We pretty much have this already, just make it transparent with results told to you, not let the gov't have the DNA, and you'll still let people know.
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I appreciate the OP. She often makes very intelligent posts.

Let's not jump to conclusions, or stigmatize this illness as being any different than say Diabetes. For example, we think that a huge number of people don't realize they have Type 2 Diabetes. Because it can cause a lot of circulatory issues as well as the original issues of blood sugar excess, it would be far better for people to know and then treat it. Much could be done with diet and exercise.

The same thing is true about breast cancer. Or heart disease. There's many many illnesses that if we knew we had them, then we could start dealing with them earlier. A stitch in time, saves nine.

Certain diseases are communicable as well. For example, there's a lot of older folk that had tuberculosis when they were young. It cocoons off in their lungs and goes dormant. Then many decades later, when they're weakened and their immune system declines, it becomes infectious again. Unless we routinely test incoming patients in nursing homes for it, then we won't know if they have it, and potentially infect all the patients (with depressed immune system function) plus the staff.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of government panels or socialized medicine.

Let's go back to Diabetes. If a patient has Type 1 Diabetes, and each day the family would check their loved one for sores on their feet, and massaged their legs to improve their circulation, then many might not get amputations as early. This would mean a return to families doing a little preventaive care, instead of relying upon doctors and nurses to check for it. Since on average a doc spends 10 minutes at most on a visit due to managed care, then wouldn't you rather be part of the solution and help your family's health care, then be at the mercy of specialists and the rarity of an actual visit? Months could go by, and then the loss of a limb.

With all of the new people getting health care, and no additional increase in medical staff, won't that potentially mean less opportunity to spend time being examined? It's logical since the same number is being asked to watch over more. This means being proactive.

If you knew so many STDs were not detected because the infection is asymptomatic (no change in bodily functions in many cases) and since so many people have affairs, then doesn't it makes sense if you've ever been promiscuous to be tested? Many states have this built in with blood tests for marriage, but many people never get married. Maybe they're in commited relationships, but in their youth the preponderance had some sex before, so some may have acquired Herpes Simples Type 2, and therefore they may have infected their loved one today.

Being proactive is about considering your symptoms and reading from authoritative places like emedicine.com and then seeing if maybe you have an issue with mold, carpal tunnel syndrome, Lyme disease, it goes on and on.
Getting tested is about being considerate.
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ANY CHANCE TO STICK A NEEDLE IN SOMEONE


Resist, arrest, charge with treason anyone thinking otherwise.
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ANY CHANCE TO STICK A NEEDLE IN SOMEONE


Resist, arrest, charge with treason anyone thinking otherwise.
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Fake Swine flu didn't work, lets try this...
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1) There is NOTHING in government allowing them to take control of any health sector.

2) This is illegal.

3) Only a fool would stick themselves with something that came from the cartels in DC.
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Does this (test)= micro chip implant ???
 Quoting: Solarninja


I totally agree with you or maybe they will actually give you HIV/AIDS, it is so obvious now that most diseases are created for population control. I'm sure the Center for Disease Control (CDC) makes viruses and other sicknesses, there is even an Illuminati Card Game (Made in 1995) that exposes CDC...
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how can HIV/AID's be bout population control when it take forever to kill a bitch ?
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With the new rules governing the use of medications, a person with a known fatal disease, can and will have all medical services declined, refused and all medications stopped. This is due to the fact of lack of return on investment of medical costs. That is why anyone over the age of 55 will see an immediate decline of all medical options available to them. People over the age of 70 will have all medical options removed.
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Ican see this as MORE labels and discrimination...
 Quoting: Arial721


Right.

It's an easy way to rubber stamp you as "Denied" on any healthcare claim.

They will be testing for everything, not just AIDS.

They are starting there because it's one of the few diseases that can still create an emotional reaction in people (read: fear).
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Start in Washington D.C.
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Oh I'm sure they'll find a way to be exempt...
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they have been screwing a lot of citizens
If i get infected then they screw me again
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HIV does not cause AIDS. This is a big lie.
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I can't stop the IRS from electronically drafting my bank account to force me to "participate" in the new government health scam, but come near me with a needle I don't authorize and there is going to be a fight.
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HIV does not cause aids
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21376977


Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

Just because MSM tells you that HIV can lead to AIDS, doesn't make it true.
Look for the source of the claim, and you will find a conspiracy.

Look people..

when HIV was "invented", they diagnosed 1 million per year with HIV.
Today the diagnose 1 million with HIV a year.
It's been with man for a long time. It's not something new. It's not an epidemy.
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we should test barry for aids he's lookin a little skinny
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Just another make-work project for Big Pharma, ultimately paid for by the sheeple.
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You are neither allowed to remove or implant anything against MY will.
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Your freedom is now lost. sheep must be ruled. Your only saving grace will come from mother nature. pray for earth changes.....
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i'll rule you,coward. pray i dont catch you.
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I am never having sex again, so I'm not doing the test.

If I go to the dr ever again, it will be in an ambulance.
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Your governments are Satan worshipping corrupted entities, therefore to do anything they say, do, or believe in is giving your consent to evil.

Refuse, Resist, Repent.

God bless you all.
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Your governments are Satan worshipping corrupted entities, therefore to do anything they say, do, or believe in is giving your consent to evil.

Refuse, Resist, Repent.

God bless you all.
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repent for actions taken is out of the question.
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I go to a private clinic every 6 months and get tested ... they can have a copy of the results.
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yeah yeah... its a conspiracy. truth be told i wouldn't mind the 200,000 being found. id gladly give a bit of my blood.
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The Libatrds that voted these crooks in have no idea the monster they created. This is just the beginning.
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The HIV test is notorious for returning false positives.

[link to www.helpforhiv.com]

and HIV does not even cause AIDS

[link to www.virusmyth.com]
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I go to a private clinic every 6 months and get tested ... they can have a copy of the results.
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If every single person on this planet was tested, AIDS and other STDs wouldn't vanish. Because too many people enjoy harming others.

To break the cycle, we have to get rid of the idea that sex should be shared as freely as handshakes. If sex was only with adults who are in long term, committed relationships, then STDs would be gone in a generation.
 Quoting: samantha sunflower


incorrect

STDs thrived during times where adultery was punishable by death
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Er, I think that was because those times had no antibiotics or treatments for them instead of the social prohibition.
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The majority of the 200,000 that do not know they are infected are not going to get tests done. Meth head needle sharing drug addicts tend to avoid doctors.
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