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Christians, and their Misunderstanding of the Prophecy of Messiah.

 
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Nun: The Messiah - Heir to the Throne by Rabbi Ginsburgh

The "nun" is the fourteenth letter of the alef-beit, which equals "David," the progenitor of the eternal Kingdom of Israel. The heir to David is Mashiach ben David, of whom is said: "As long as the duration of the sun his name shall rule." Our Sages teach us that one of the names of Mashiach is Yinon ("shall rule"), cognate to nun. Mashiach is also referred to as "the miscarriage," or, literally, the "fallen one."

As we will learn in the secret of the letter samech, the nun does not appear in Psalm 145, but is supported by God's transcendent mercy, as expressed by the following letter, samech. In general, nun corresponds in Torah to the image of falling. The soul of Mashiach experiences itself as continuously falling and dying; if not for the ever-present Hand of God "catching" it, it would crash to the ground and shatter to death."

cont......


Commentary by APOLLO. As you can see the above, this is where the Christians get the erroneous concept of Lucifer from, "The fallen one"

Slander towards the belief in Moshiach is The Fallen Lucifer, the Anti Christ, etc, etc..

(NOTE: not to be confused with the Christian Messiah known as Jesus. The Jewish people have their own concept which is ignored, or simply not taught to the masses in the west.)

My Commentary to point out is that this is a non political entry. This is meant to be taken as a Kabbalist spiritual entry considering all that is going on in the Middle East which it looks to have reached a cease fire. Spiritual people try their best to stay out of politics and pray for world peace and love to focus on the hope within)
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As usual..........more bullshit............whatever
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As in? You mean the serpent in the tree? That is Gnosis. Even though it was written in Hebrew. Greek holds the best explanation . Look up the Greek word for eyes and then the Greek word for snake
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Sorry I meant Isaiah 14:12-14 and Ezekiel 28:12-18.

They speak of Lucifer falling from Heaven and those books were written by Jews.
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they were writtrn by israelites. the people who call themselves jews are imposters from esau. like you.
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Isaiah had foretold King Cyrus would conquer Babylon and free the Jewish people to return to their homeland, so it was a sentence against Babylon,

As for the King of Tyre, well God is talking to his own people there that have profaned the sanctuary, why? King Solomon was alllied with the King of Tyre and they had some influence in the building of the Temple in many Tyrian designs, therefore Yahweh likened it to Eden
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Man, that is such a loose knit speculation. There is nothing to base that on.

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Nun: The Messiah - Heir to the Throne by Rabbi Ginsburgh

The "nun" is the fourteenth letter of the alef-beit, which equals "David," the progenitor of the eternal Kingdom of Israel. The heir to David is Mashiach ben David, of whom is said: "As long as the duration of the sun his name shall rule." Our Sages teach us that one of the names of Mashiach is Yinon ("shall rule"), cognate to nun. Mashiach is also referred to as "the miscarriage," or, literally, the "fallen one."

As we will learn in the secret of the letter samech, the nun does not appear in Psalm 145, but is supported by God's transcendent mercy, as expressed by the following letter, samech. In general, nun corresponds in Torah to the image of falling. The soul of Mashiach experiences itself as continuously falling and dying; if not for the ever-present Hand of God "catching" it, it would crash to the ground and shatter to death."

cont......


Commentary by APOLLO. As you can see the above, this is where the Christians get the erroneous concept of Lucifer from, "The fallen one"

Slander towards the belief in Moshiach is The Fallen Lucifer, the Anti Christ, etc, etc..

(NOTE: not to be confused with the Christian Messiah known as Jesus. The Jewish people have their own concept which is ignored, or simply not taught to the masses in the west.)

My Commentary to point out is that this is a non political entry. This is meant to be taken as a Kabbalist spiritual entry considering all that is going on in the Middle East which it looks to have reached a cease fire. Spiritual people try their best to stay out of politics and pray for world peace and love to focus on the hope within)
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As usual..........more bullshit............whatever
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It is Judaism and Kabbalah !
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Sorry I meant Isaiah 14:12-14 and Ezekiel 28:12-18.

They speak of Lucifer falling from Heaven and those books were written by Jews.
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they were writtrn by israelites. the people who call themselves jews are imposters from esau. like you.
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Isaiah had foretold King Cyrus would conquer Babylon and free the Jewish people to return to their homeland, so it was a sentence against Babylon,

As for the King of Tyre, well God is talking to his own people there that have profaned the sanctuary, why? King Solomon was alllied with the King of Tyre and they had some influence in the building of the Temple in many Tyrian designs, therefore Yahweh likened it to Eden
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Man, that is such a loose knit speculation. There is nothing to base that on.
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It does refer to Pride, any pride, I dont deny that at all.. The Ram caught in the thicket was replaced as the sacrifice over Isaac cause the mighty mountain ram represented Pride, Ga'on..

There is a Luciferic pride that comes with knowledge and the sons and forgers of fire. A few here will know what Im talking about..Pride has to be exercised responsibly..

But look at the end, look at the Prodigal Son story in Luke chapter 15

The parable of the Prodigal Son

Luke chapter 15

"Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons. The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them.

“Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

“When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ So he got up and went to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

“The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

“But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate."
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Why do you worship the devil so much? Jesus Christ is the only lord and savior. He and he alone can stand with you before the father in heaven and save you fro hells fire. Spend more time on him and less on this devil junk.
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As in? You mean the serpent in the tree? That is Gnosis. Even though it was written in Hebrew. Greek holds the best explanation . Look up the Greek word for eyes and then the Greek word for snake
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Sorry I meant Isaiah 14:12-14 and Ezekiel 28:12-18.

They speak of Lucifer falling from Heaven and those books were written by Jews.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


they were writtrn by israelites. the people who call themselves jews are imposters from esau. like you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27211004





Isaiah had foretold King Cyrus would conquer Babylon and free the Jewish people to return to their homeland, so it was a sentence against Babylon,

As for the King of Tyre, well God is talking to his own people there that have profaned the sanctuary, why? King Solomon was alllied with the King of Tyre and they had some influence in the building of the Temple in many Tyrian designs, therefore Yahweh likened it to Eden
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


From: [link to www.gotquestions.org]

There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,” but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12 is likely the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18: "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” A similar fall is depicted in Ezekiel 28.

Isaiah 14:12-18 describes the fall from heaven of one called “Lucifer” in the King James Version and the “morning star, son of the dawn” in the NIV. Other Bible versions call him “Day Star,” “shining star,” and “the bright morning star.” These variations are due to differences of opinion about how to translate the Hebrew word helel. Regardless, the description of the one referred to shows us it can be none other than Satan. We know from Jesus’ own words in Luke 10 that Satan fell from heaven. So, when Isaiah refers to Lucifer or helel being cast down to earth (Isaiah 14:12), it can be none other than Satan. The reason for his fall is found in verses 13 and 14: “You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’” This has always been Satan’s desire – to be God, and it is the very temptation he used in the Garden of Eden to get Eve to disobey God: “You shall be as God” (Genesis 3:5).

Ezekiel 28 is another passage thought to refer to Lucifer/Satan. Although it begins with Ezekiel being commanded by God to “take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre” (v. 12), an evil idolatrous king, it soon becomes clear that the passage is referring as well to the power behind that king—Satan. Verse 13 says he was “in Eden, the garden of God.” Clearly, the king of Tyre was never in Eden. Verse 14 says, “You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you.” Apparently, Lucifer/Satan had a position of guardian angel in heaven “among the fiery stones,” thought to be the shining precious jewels that are seen in other descriptions of heaven (Exodus 24:10; Revelation 21:18-21). Since the king of Tyre was never in heaven, either, this can only be describing Lucifer. The rest of the passage describes the reason he was cast out of heaven. Because of his beauty, his heart became proud and his wisdom was corrupted (v. 17). Pride in his perfection, wisdom and beauty (v. 12) became the source of his downfall, and God threw him to the earth (v. 17). This was witnessed by the Lord Jesus in heaven before His incarnation (Luke 10:18).

To summarize, the Hebrew word helel is translated "Lucifer." He was cast out of heaven for his sin of pride and his desire to be God. Jesus referred to seeing Satan being cast out of heaven. Therefore, we can conclude that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same.
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Why do you worship the devil so much? Jesus Christ is the only lord and savior. He and he alone can stand with you before the father in heaven and save you fro hells fire. Spend more time on him and less on this devil junk.
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Why do you worship the devil so much? Jesus Christ is the only lord and savior. He and he alone can stand with you before the father in heaven and save you fro hells fire. Spend more time on him and less on this devil junk.
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EXAMPLE of more Anti Semitism...

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Jesus, the pig man? Son of Zeus? His name is Joshua btw in English. Joshua Son of Joseph.

JE SUS is claimed to be IESOUS but its also means Earth Pig in Latin.
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As in? You mean the serpent in the tree? That is Gnosis. Even though it was written in Hebrew. Greek holds the best explanation . Look up the Greek word for eyes and then the Greek word for snake
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Sorry I meant Isaiah 14:12-14 and Ezekiel 28:12-18.

They speak of Lucifer falling from Heaven and those books were written by Jews.
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they were writtrn by israelites. the people who call themselves jews are imposters from esau. like you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27211004


Judahites, not jews.


Isaiah had foretold King Cyrus would conquer Babylon and free the Jewish people to return to their homeland, so it was a sentence against Babylon,

As for the King of Tyre, well God is talking to his own people there that have profaned the sanctuary, why? King Solomon was alllied with the King of Tyre and they had some influence in the building of the Temple in many Tyrian designs, therefore Yahweh likened it to Eden
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Why do you worship the devil so much? Jesus Christ is the only lord and savior. He and he alone can stand with you before the father in heaven and save you fro hells fire. Spend more time on him and less on this devil junk.
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amen!
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Man is falling for the same trick satan used in the beginning of the book, "you can be like god" and people will fall for it time after time. People don't want a God, they want to be God just like satan thought he could do, but learned that the created can never be over the creator.
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Sorry I meant Isaiah 14:12-14 and Ezekiel 28:12-18.

They speak of Lucifer falling from Heaven and those books were written by Jews.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28100552


they were writtrn by israelites. the people who call themselves jews are imposters from esau. like you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27211004


Judahites, not jews.


Isaiah had foretold King Cyrus would conquer Babylon and free the Jewish people to return to their homeland, so it was a sentence against Babylon,

As for the King of Tyre, well God is talking to his own people there that have profaned the sanctuary, why? King Solomon was alllied with the King of Tyre and they had some influence in the building of the Temple in many Tyrian designs, therefore Yahweh likened it to Eden
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dont leave such a large space at the bottom of your post.
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Why do you worship the devil so much? Jesus Christ is the only lord and savior. He and he alone can stand with you before the father in heaven and save you fro hells fire. Spend more time on him and less on this devil junk.
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amen!
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Man is falling for the same trick satan used in the beginning of the book, "you can be like god" and people will fall for it time after time. People don't want a God, they want to be God just like satan thought he could do, but learned that the created can never be over the creator.
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Yep. Satans servants are on earth doing satans will. They are known as jews.
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lol if you see Apollo Karma, he reports everyone that does not share the same satanic opinion that him...

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they were writtrn by israelites. the people who call themselves jews are imposters from esau. like you.
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Judahites, not jews.


Isaiah had foretold King Cyrus would conquer Babylon and free the Jewish people to return to their homeland, so it was a sentence against Babylon,

As for the King of Tyre, well God is talking to his own people there that have profaned the sanctuary, why? King Solomon was alllied with the King of Tyre and they had some influence in the building of the Temple in many Tyrian designs, therefore Yahweh likened it to Eden
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dont leave such a large space at the bottom of your post.
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Yes, it was Judah, Israel was the Northern Kingdom and Judah to the South.

“ A ruin, a ruin! I will make it a ruin ! It will not be restored until he comes to whom it rightfully belongs, to him I will give it. Ezekial 21:27



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THE LION of JUDAH UNVEILED, and the KING OF KINGS by Apollo


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BY APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY




The year 10, 500 BC marked the beginning of the Aeons, and the Age of LEO and the Ancient ones in the first age regarded HU as the giver of life. NUT the Sky Goddess in the Egyptian beliefs, revealed her celestial canopy after the Virgo ruled land of MU Lemuria disappeared under the sea along with Atlantis ending the Age of Cancer and Gemini in the flood of Noah 3,000 years BC when the protective sky canopy broke and paradise was lost .

The male rulership of Jehovah was claimed to decree this catastrophic event . It was the age of Taurus in which he chose a group of people to represent him and the age of Aries in which a ram replaced the sacrifice of a cherished Son of Abraham.

It wasn’t until the age of Pisces that a Lion of the Tribe of Judah was prophecied to arise to restore the first ancient ways of pacifism to a people accustomed to war. A lion was to lay down with the lamb. A great teacher was to preach peace to the war weary Hebrews under Roman Dominion .

The lion was a mighty animal free to roam in the Lebanon, Hermon and Jordan ranges and the southern Judean wilderness. The mane of the lions hair reminded people of the sun, so fittingly the symbol of the Sun God became the lion and the ruling planet was the sun. A lion cub grew its golden shaggy mane at around three years old. It was around three years of age that a child was visited by three wise men in a country home.

From lead to Gold was the escape and promise from the structures of Saturn to the freedom of exhaltation to whom would bear the light.



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“Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Root of David has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals. Revelation 5:5
Let us look back on the history of the formations of the tribes..

Tribe, The Hebrew words representing tribe was “matteh” and “shevet” meaning rod or staff. Exodus 7:12 and Proverbs 13::24 . Cause of the leader of the clan would carry a scepter or staff.

The tribal arrangement of Israel was based on Jacobs twelve sons who had to encamp in the wilderness under their representative zodiac signs.
The Tribe of Levi was the Priestly class under the Sons of Aaron.


The Tribe of Benjamin produced Israels first king, King Saul who was anointed by Samuel. The Tribe of Judah produced King David who slew Goliath. Judah was Jacobs forth son from first wife Leah whom Jacob was tricked into marrying (his heart was tied to her more beautiful sister Rachel) . The Tribe of Judah was described as a lion cub and the prophecies of Judah was pronounced in Genesis 49: 10. “the scepter will not turn aside from Judah, neither the commanders staff from between his feet until Shiloh comes , and to him the obedience of the peoples will belong.”

David fulfilled this when King Saul died and David fought to obtain the lands of Israel until he claimed all the Benjamite territory and made Jerusalem the capital and claiming Zion. For 500 years, Judah claimed the Kingship Sceptre and Staff until King Solomon lost favor and his Son Rehoboam lost ten tribes from his Kingdom so Israel was united no more. Benjamin and Judah was the only ones that stayed loyal to the house of David splitting the Kingdom to Israel of the Northern Kingdom and Judah to the South. In 722 BC Assyrian invaders from what is now (Iraq) invade the Northern Israel and Babylon (also what is now Iraq) attacked the nation of Judah in 586 BC and destroying the temple of Solomon. These invasions began the Lost Tribe theories when many of the individuals of the tribes became un accounted for when they had been taken prisoner. Many have intermarried with the invaders bloodline, but others have migrated and scattered.


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Restoration for the prisoners of Babylon occurred when King Cyrus of Persia allowed the land of Judah restored. The nation of Judah at least could commence the generations to fulfillment in Ezekials promise

“ A ruin, a ruin! I will make it a ruin ! It will not be restored until he comes to whom it rightfully belongs, to him I will give it. Ezekial 21:27

“In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples : the nations will rally to him and his place of rest will be glorious. In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from upper Egypt , from Cush, Fom Elam, from Babylon, from Hamnath and from the islands of the sea. Isaiah 11:10
… Judahs enemies will be cut off. Ephraim will not be jealous of Judah. Isaiah 11:13

The promise of the Lion was to be fulfilled. The sphinx of prophecy was to become the Capstone the builders rejected.

12 golden lions lined the walkway to the Throne of Solomon in the Porch of the throne that stood on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem. Even Solomon knew that there was to be a man of Gold to arise from one of the 12 tribes of God. LEO, The Lion of Judah.


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The Hierosgamos of the Sacred marriage of Sun and Moon occurs with Leo Sun and Cancer Moon. The shining brilliance of the summer sunlight is the golden mane of the Lion of Judah who is crowned as King. The sign of cancer was also known as the sheepfold congregation which hosts the beehive constellation of stars and the two donkeys of Aselus Borealis and Aselus Astralis which was the manger of the Christ child. The moon is the fruitage of Yesod which births the young child Mercurius .



The sign following the Hierogamos and the divine mystery of union and conjunction is the sign of Virgo, the woman and the Mother of God.

This brings to mind the bible verse: Isaiah 7:14, 15 . Therefore Jehovah himself will give you men a sign: Look! The maiden herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey he will eat by the time that he knows how to reject the bad and choose the good.
Spiritual apotheosis is the nourishment of the material world into connection with the divine. The pomegranates is the blood that the High Priestess nourishes when the ascending spirit passes between the twin pillars . Judgement is given in the scales of Maat, “justice” and the works of equilibrium heals the monad on his return and reunion of the ONE.

In the late summer and fall we have Virgo appearing right before Dawn with the Sun shining around her head as a halo in mid September which is near the Jewish New Year of Rosh Hashanah. She announces the Fall Equinox and the harvest of grain and crops which nourishes our body



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In October the sun is moving down her arm to conjunct with Spica every October 16th, In the western zodiac, the suns placement is Libra, but in the skies he shines in virgo and nourishes her sprig of golden wheat which brings to fulfillment this Bible verse in Jerusalem more than two thousand years ago ..

“Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying,”This means my body which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me. Also the cup in the same way after they had the evening meal, he saying. “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf” Luke 22 : 19, 20

Under the sun, the wheat berries have grown to harvest and the stones would grind them into flour for the bread. The sun also ripened the grapes which was to be fermented into wine'

South east of Virgo lies the cup of Christ, the constellation of crater which is the Holy Grail of Bloodlines. We are the children of the Sun, and his bread is our body and his wine is our blood. How fitting it is that the ancient Holy land announces the new year (Rosh Hashanah.. Various dates in September) at harvest time when the Mother rises with the Sun shining as her halo and blending all faiths into the apotheosis monad of ONE


-APOLLO


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Why do you worship the devil so much? Jesus Christ is the only lord and savior. He and he alone can stand with you before the father in heaven and save you fro hells fire. Spend more time on him and less on this devil junk.
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amen!
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Man is falling for the same trick satan used in the beginning of the book, "you can be like god" and people will fall for it time after time. People don't want a God, they want to be God just like satan thought he could do, but learned that the created can never be over the creator.
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ISAIAH 45:7

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
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Why do you worship the devil so much? Jesus Christ is the only lord and savior. He and he alone can stand with you before the father in heaven and save you fro hells fire. Spend more time on him and less on this devil junk.
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amen!
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Man is falling for the same trick satan used in the beginning of the book, "you can be like god" and people will fall for it time after time. People don't want a God, they want to be God just like satan thought he could do, but learned that the created can never be over the creator.
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Yep. Satans servants are on earth doing satans will. They are known as jews.
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So, you think Judaism is Satanism? BTW, since I am a Kabbalist, sometimes I will use the New Testament to bring my point across, I want to clarify that is not in Orthodox or Tradition Judaism to do that.

However, Satan is the boogeyman, fairy tales , its time we moved on from that and took personal responsibility for our actions.
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It is the *Spirit* that we are known, just as Jesus Christ is known as

Father=Son=Holy Spirit....
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It is the *Spirit* that we are known, just as Jesus Christ is known as

Father=Son=Holy Spirit....
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Keep up the good job Apollo! <3

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Judahites, not jews.


Isaiah had foretold King Cyrus would conquer Babylon and free the Jewish people to return to their homeland, so it was a sentence against Babylon,

As for the King of Tyre, well God is talking to his own people there that have profaned the sanctuary, why? King Solomon was alllied with the King of Tyre and they had some influence in the building of the Temple in many Tyrian designs, therefore Yahweh likened it to Eden
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27211004


dont leave such a large space at the bottom of your post.
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Yes, it was Judah, Israel was the Northern Kingdom and Judah to the South.

“ A ruin, a ruin! I will make it a ruin ! It will not be restored until he comes to whom it rightfully belongs, to him I will give it. Ezekial 21:27



I wrote this...


THE LION of JUDAH UNVEILED, and the KING OF KINGS by Apollo


:lionking:


BY APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY




The year 10, 500 BC marked the beginning of the Aeons, and the Age of LEO and the Ancient ones in the first age regarded HU as the giver of life. NUT the Sky Goddess in the Egyptian beliefs, revealed her celestial canopy after the Virgo ruled land of MU Lemuria disappeared under the sea along with Atlantis ending the Age of Cancer and Gemini in the flood of Noah 3,000 years BC when the protective sky canopy broke and paradise was lost .

The male rulership of Jehovah was claimed to decree this catastrophic event . It was the age of Taurus in which he chose a group of people to represent him and the age of Aries in which a ram replaced the sacrifice of a cherished Son of Abraham.

It wasn’t until the age of Pisces that a Lion of the Tribe of Judah was prophecied to arise to restore the first ancient ways of pacifism to a people accustomed to war. A lion was to lay down with the lamb. A great teacher was to preach peace to the war weary Hebrews under Roman Dominion .

The lion was a mighty animal free to roam in the Lebanon, Hermon and Jordan ranges and the southern Judean wilderness. The mane of the lions hair reminded people of the sun, so fittingly the symbol of the Sun God became the lion and the ruling planet was the sun. A lion cub grew its golden shaggy mane at around three years old. It was around three years of age that a child was visited by three wise men in a country home.

From lead to Gold was the escape and promise from the structures of Saturn to the freedom of exhaltation to whom would bear the light.



:goddesslion:



“Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Root of David has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals. Revelation 5:5
Let us look back on the history of the formations of the tribes..

Tribe, The Hebrew words representing tribe was “matteh” and “shevet” meaning rod or staff. Exodus 7:12 and Proverbs 13::24 . Cause of the leader of the clan would carry a scepter or staff.

The tribal arrangement of Israel was based on Jacobs twelve sons who had to encamp in the wilderness under their representative zodiac signs.
The Tribe of Levi was the Priestly class under the Sons of Aaron.


The Tribe of Benjamin produced Israels first king, King Saul who was anointed by Samuel. The Tribe of Judah produced King David who slew Goliath. Judah was Jacobs forth son from first wife Leah whom Jacob was tricked into marrying (his heart was tied to her more beautiful sister Rachel) . The Tribe of Judah was described as a lion cub and the prophecies of Judah was pronounced in Genesis 49: 10. “the scepter will not turn aside from Judah, neither the commanders staff from between his feet until Shiloh comes , and to him the obedience of the peoples will belong.”

David fulfilled this when King Saul died and David fought to obtain the lands of Israel until he claimed all the Benjamite territory and made Jerusalem the capital and claiming Zion. For 500 years, Judah claimed the Kingship Sceptre and Staff until King Solomon lost favor and his Son Rehoboam lost ten tribes from his Kingdom so Israel was united no more. Benjamin and Judah was the only ones that stayed loyal to the house of David splitting the Kingdom to Israel of the Northern Kingdom and Judah to the South. In 722 BC Assyrian invaders from what is now (Iraq) invade the Northern Israel and Babylon (also what is now Iraq) attacked the nation of Judah in 586 BC and destroying the temple of Solomon. These invasions began the Lost Tribe theories when many of the individuals of the tribes became un accounted for when they had been taken prisoner. Many have intermarried with the invaders bloodline, but others have migrated and scattered.


:solomon2:


Restoration for the prisoners of Babylon occurred when King Cyrus of Persia allowed the land of Judah restored. The nation of Judah at least could commence the generations to fulfillment in Ezekials promise

“ A ruin, a ruin! I will make it a ruin ! It will not be restored until he comes to whom it rightfully belongs, to him I will give it. Ezekial 21:27

“In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples : the nations will rally to him and his place of rest will be glorious. In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from upper Egypt , from Cush, Fom Elam, from Babylon, from Hamnath and from the islands of the sea. Isaiah 11:10
… Judahs enemies will be cut off. Ephraim will not be jealous of Judah. Isaiah 11:13

The promise of the Lion was to be fulfilled. The sphinx of prophecy was to become the Capstone the builders rejected.

12 golden lions lined the walkway to the Throne of Solomon in the Porch of the throne that stood on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem. Even Solomon knew that there was to be a man of Gold to arise from one of the 12 tribes of God. LEO, The Lion of Judah.


:lionofjudahfall:


The Hierosgamos of the Sacred marriage of Sun and Moon occurs with Leo Sun and Cancer Moon. The shining brilliance of the summer sunlight is the golden mane of the Lion of Judah who is crowned as King. The sign of cancer was also known as the sheepfold congregation which hosts the beehive constellation of stars and the two donkeys of Aselus Borealis and Aselus Astralis which was the manger of the Christ child. The moon is the fruitage of Yesod which births the young child Mercurius .



The sign following the Hierogamos and the divine mystery of union and conjunction is the sign of Virgo, the woman and the Mother of God.

This brings to mind the bible verse: Isaiah 7:14, 15 . Therefore Jehovah himself will give you men a sign: Look! The maiden herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey he will eat by the time that he knows how to reject the bad and choose the good.
Spiritual apotheosis is the nourishment of the material world into connection with the divine. The pomegranates is the blood that the High Priestess nourishes when the ascending spirit passes between the twin pillars . Judgement is given in the scales of Maat, “justice” and the works of equilibrium heals the monad on his return and reunion of the ONE.

In the late summer and fall we have Virgo appearing right before Dawn with the Sun shining around her head as a halo in mid September which is near the Jewish New Year of Rosh Hashanah. She announces the Fall Equinox and the harvest of grain and crops which nourishes our body



:goddesslion2:



In October the sun is moving down her arm to conjunct with Spica every October 16th, In the western zodiac, the suns placement is Libra, but in the skies he shines in virgo and nourishes her sprig of golden wheat which brings to fulfillment this Bible verse in Jerusalem more than two thousand years ago ..

“Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying,”This means my body which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me. Also the cup in the same way after they had the evening meal, he saying. “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf” Luke 22 : 19, 20

Under the sun, the wheat berries have grown to harvest and the stones would grind them into flour for the bread. The sun also ripened the grapes which was to be fermented into wine'

South east of Virgo lies the cup of Christ, the constellation of crater which is the Holy Grail of Bloodlines. We are the children of the Sun, and his bread is our body and his wine is our blood. How fitting it is that the ancient Holy land announces the new year (Rosh Hashanah.. Various dates in September) at harvest time when the Mother rises with the Sun shining as her halo and blending all faiths into the apotheosis monad of ONE


-APOLLO


:sunrise23:
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST



Isaiah 11:10:And in that day there shall be "a root" of Jesse, who shall stand as an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his place of rest shall be glorious.

your writing says "the root" this servant is "a root" not "the root", Jesus is "the root"
Revelation 22:16:
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am "the root" and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Just as in Isaiah 42 the servant is "a light" and Jesus always claimed to be "the light" of the world: John 8:12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am "the light" of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life

Isaiah 42: The servant of the Lord:
6“I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness;
I will take hold of your hand.
I will keep you and will make you
to be a covenant for the people
and "a light" for the Gentiles,
7to open eyes that are blind,
to free captives from prison
and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.

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Nun: The Messiah - Heir to the Throne by Rabbi Ginsburgh

The "nun" is the fourteenth letter of the alef-beit, which equals "David," the progenitor of the eternal Kingdom of Israel. The heir to David is Mashiach ben David, of whom is said: "As long as the duration of the sun his name shall rule." Our Sages teach us that one of the names of Mashiach is Yinon ("shall rule"), cognate to nun. Mashiach is also referred to as "the miscarriage," or, literally, the "fallen one."

As we will learn in the secret of the letter samech, the nun does not appear in Psalm 145, but is supported by God's transcendent mercy, as expressed by the following letter, samech. In general, nun corresponds in Torah to the image of falling. The soul of Mashiach experiences itself as continuously falling and dying; if not for the ever-present Hand of God "catching" it, it would crash to the ground and shatter to death."

cont......


Commentary by APOLLO. As you can see the above, this is where the Christians get the erroneous concept of Lucifer from, "The fallen one"

Slander towards the belief in Moshiach is The Fallen Lucifer, the Anti Christ, etc, etc..

(NOTE: not to be confused with the Christian Messiah known as Jesus. The Jewish people have their own concept which is ignored, or simply not taught to the masses in the west.)

My Commentary to point out is that this is a non political entry. This is meant to be taken as a Kabbalist spiritual entry considering all that is going on in the Middle East which it looks to have reached a cease fire. Spiritual people try their best to stay out of politics and pray for world peace and love to focus on the hope within)
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


There is no coming messiah. The messiah was God the son of Our Lady and the Holy Ghost. This coming messiah the psalms talk about is a hologram that you can probably touch. The fall is when you take the deal from lucifer the devil where you get from him what you want because the true messiah God gives the devil authorization or power. Now your end of the bargain is to promote heresy. So good job. Your keeping your end up pretty well.
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Once again, as usual, as always

what is your point?

Please make a succinct, clear, unmistakable and definitive statement for once if you possibly can do do.
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dont leave such a large space at the bottom of your post.
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Yes, it was Judah, Israel was the Northern Kingdom and Judah to the South.

“ A ruin, a ruin! I will make it a ruin ! It will not be restored until he comes to whom it rightfully belongs, to him I will give it. Ezekial 21:27



I wrote this...


THE LION of JUDAH UNVEILED, and the KING OF KINGS by Apollo


:lionking:


BY APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY




The year 10, 500 BC marked the beginning of the Aeons, and the Age of LEO and the Ancient ones in the first age regarded HU as the giver of life. NUT the Sky Goddess in the Egyptian beliefs, revealed her celestial canopy after the Virgo ruled land of MU Lemuria disappeared under the sea along with Atlantis ending the Age of Cancer and Gemini in the flood of Noah 3,000 years BC when the protective sky canopy broke and paradise was lost .

The male rulership of Jehovah was claimed to decree this catastrophic event . It was the age of Taurus in which he chose a group of people to represent him and the age of Aries in which a ram replaced the sacrifice of a cherished Son of Abraham.

It wasn’t until the age of Pisces that a Lion of the Tribe of Judah was prophecied to arise to restore the first ancient ways of pacifism to a people accustomed to war. A lion was to lay down with the lamb. A great teacher was to preach peace to the war weary Hebrews under Roman Dominion .

The lion was a mighty animal free to roam in the Lebanon, Hermon and Jordan ranges and the southern Judean wilderness. The mane of the lions hair reminded people of the sun, so fittingly the symbol of the Sun God became the lion and the ruling planet was the sun. A lion cub grew its golden shaggy mane at around three years old. It was around three years of age that a child was visited by three wise men in a country home.

From lead to Gold was the escape and promise from the structures of Saturn to the freedom of exhaltation to whom would bear the light.



:goddesslion:



“Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Root of David has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals. Revelation 5:5
Let us look back on the history of the formations of the tribes..

Tribe, The Hebrew words representing tribe was “matteh” and “shevet” meaning rod or staff. Exodus 7:12 and Proverbs 13::24 . Cause of the leader of the clan would carry a scepter or staff.

The tribal arrangement of Israel was based on Jacobs twelve sons who had to encamp in the wilderness under their representative zodiac signs.
The Tribe of Levi was the Priestly class under the Sons of Aaron.


The Tribe of Benjamin produced Israels first king, King Saul who was anointed by Samuel. The Tribe of Judah produced King David who slew Goliath. Judah was Jacobs forth son from first wife Leah whom Jacob was tricked into marrying (his heart was tied to her more beautiful sister Rachel) . The Tribe of Judah was described as a lion cub and the prophecies of Judah was pronounced in Genesis 49: 10. “the scepter will not turn aside from Judah, neither the commanders staff from between his feet until Shiloh comes , and to him the obedience of the peoples will belong.”

David fulfilled this when King Saul died and David fought to obtain the lands of Israel until he claimed all the Benjamite territory and made Jerusalem the capital and claiming Zion. For 500 years, Judah claimed the Kingship Sceptre and Staff until King Solomon lost favor and his Son Rehoboam lost ten tribes from his Kingdom so Israel was united no more. Benjamin and Judah was the only ones that stayed loyal to the house of David splitting the Kingdom to Israel of the Northern Kingdom and Judah to the South. In 722 BC Assyrian invaders from what is now (Iraq) invade the Northern Israel and Babylon (also what is now Iraq) attacked the nation of Judah in 586 BC and destroying the temple of Solomon. These invasions began the Lost Tribe theories when many of the individuals of the tribes became un accounted for when they had been taken prisoner. Many have intermarried with the invaders bloodline, but others have migrated and scattered.


:solomon2:


Restoration for the prisoners of Babylon occurred when King Cyrus of Persia allowed the land of Judah restored. The nation of Judah at least could commence the generations to fulfillment in Ezekials promise

“ A ruin, a ruin! I will make it a ruin ! It will not be restored until he comes to whom it rightfully belongs, to him I will give it. Ezekial 21:27

“In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples : the nations will rally to him and his place of rest will be glorious. In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from upper Egypt , from Cush, Fom Elam, from Babylon, from Hamnath and from the islands of the sea. Isaiah 11:10
… Judahs enemies will be cut off. Ephraim will not be jealous of Judah. Isaiah 11:13

The promise of the Lion was to be fulfilled. The sphinx of prophecy was to become the Capstone the builders rejected.

12 golden lions lined the walkway to the Throne of Solomon in the Porch of the throne that stood on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem. Even Solomon knew that there was to be a man of Gold to arise from one of the 12 tribes of God. LEO, The Lion of Judah.


:lionofjudahfall:


The Hierosgamos of the Sacred marriage of Sun and Moon occurs with Leo Sun and Cancer Moon. The shining brilliance of the summer sunlight is the golden mane of the Lion of Judah who is crowned as King. The sign of cancer was also known as the sheepfold congregation which hosts the beehive constellation of stars and the two donkeys of Aselus Borealis and Aselus Astralis which was the manger of the Christ child. The moon is the fruitage of Yesod which births the young child Mercurius .



The sign following the Hierogamos and the divine mystery of union and conjunction is the sign of Virgo, the woman and the Mother of God.

This brings to mind the bible verse: Isaiah 7:14, 15 . Therefore Jehovah himself will give you men a sign: Look! The maiden herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey he will eat by the time that he knows how to reject the bad and choose the good.
Spiritual apotheosis is the nourishment of the material world into connection with the divine. The pomegranates is the blood that the High Priestess nourishes when the ascending spirit passes between the twin pillars . Judgement is given in the scales of Maat, “justice” and the works of equilibrium heals the monad on his return and reunion of the ONE.

In the late summer and fall we have Virgo appearing right before Dawn with the Sun shining around her head as a halo in mid September which is near the Jewish New Year of Rosh Hashanah. She announces the Fall Equinox and the harvest of grain and crops which nourishes our body



:goddesslion2:



In October the sun is moving down her arm to conjunct with Spica every October 16th, In the western zodiac, the suns placement is Libra, but in the skies he shines in virgo and nourishes her sprig of golden wheat which brings to fulfillment this Bible verse in Jerusalem more than two thousand years ago ..

“Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying,”This means my body which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me. Also the cup in the same way after they had the evening meal, he saying. “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf” Luke 22 : 19, 20

Under the sun, the wheat berries have grown to harvest and the stones would grind them into flour for the bread. The sun also ripened the grapes which was to be fermented into wine'

South east of Virgo lies the cup of Christ, the constellation of crater which is the Holy Grail of Bloodlines. We are the children of the Sun, and his bread is our body and his wine is our blood. How fitting it is that the ancient Holy land announces the new year (Rosh Hashanah.. Various dates in September) at harvest time when the Mother rises with the Sun shining as her halo and blending all faiths into the apotheosis monad of ONE


-APOLLO


:sunrise23:
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST

 Quoting: waterman


Isaiah 11:10:And in that day there shall be "a root" of Jesse, who shall stand as an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his place of rest shall be glorious.

your writing says "the root" this servant is "a root" not "the root", Jesus is "the root"
Revelation 22:16:
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am "the root" and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Just as in Isaiah 42 the servant is "a light" and Jesus always claimed to be "the light" of the world: John 8:12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am "the light" of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life

Isaiah 42: The servant of the Lord:
6“I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness;
I will take hold of your hand.
I will keep you and will make you
to be a covenant for the people
and "a light" for the Gentiles,
7to open eyes that are blind,
to free captives from prison
and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.


There is a servant of God coming actually 2 (two wintesses) but the one is far greater than the other just as moses was greater than aaron, Jesus greater than John Adam greater thatn Eve...etc And his mission will be to join the two houses of Israel back together(lost 10 tribes) and (the 2 tribes that make up Israel today) That servant will be the Branch and he will build the spiritual temple of God because the 2 physical temples were able to be destoryed
2nd corithians 6:16:
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

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Nun: The Messiah - Heir to the Throne by Rabbi Ginsburgh

The "nun" is the fourteenth letter of the alef-beit, which equals "David," the progenitor of the eternal Kingdom of Israel. The heir to David is Mashiach ben David, of whom is said: "As long as the duration of the sun his name shall rule." Our Sages teach us that one of the names of Mashiach is Yinon ("shall rule"), cognate to nun. Mashiach is also referred to as "the miscarriage," or, literally, the "fallen one."

As we will learn in the secret of the letter samech, the nun does not appear in Psalm 145, but is supported by God's transcendent mercy, as expressed by the following letter, samech. In general, nun corresponds in Torah to the image of falling. The soul of Mashiach experiences itself as continuously falling and dying; if not for the ever-present Hand of God "catching" it, it would crash to the ground and shatter to death."

cont......


Commentary by APOLLO. As you can see the above, this is where the Christians get the erroneous concept of Lucifer from, "The fallen one"

Slander towards the belief in Moshiach is The Fallen Lucifer, the Anti Christ, etc, etc..

(NOTE: not to be confused with the Christian Messiah known as Jesus. The Jewish people have their own concept which is ignored, or simply not taught to the masses in the west.)

My Commentary to point out is that this is a non political entry. This is meant to be taken as a Kabbalist spiritual entry considering all that is going on in the Middle East which it looks to have reached a cease fire. Spiritual people try their best to stay out of politics and pray for world peace and love to focus on the hope within)
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST




Apollo were I you I'd set directly about in effort to turn my attention to all that I don't know, as opposed to all that which I believe I do...

these words will echo in your memory in times to come

as there is meaning in them in your regard

make the most of that fact

or turn your back and run for your life

your call
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Apollyon, being the destroyer of evil, would make sense. I'm surprised there is such a negative view of him. Spiritually speaking, he is pretty amazing. For those not familiar, we have all heard of the boogieman who hides in the closet and terrorizes children to soil themselves with fear. Apollyon is the being in the boogieman's closet...
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Yes ! You can thank Christianity for that, What could have been a great solar religion turned into a boogeyman , witch hunt. They slandered the teachings of the one known as Lucifer, the fallen one. Apolllyon, and the Moshiach /Mashiach whom they label as Anti Christ

Its a sad state of affairs.

Apollyon is the cleanser of evil and the fighter for justice and truth.
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One SABBATH, when Jesus WENT TO EAT in the HOUSE OF A PROMINENT PHARISEE, he was being carefully watched. There in front of him was a man suffering from dropsy.

Jesus asked the PHARISEES and the teachers of law "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath or not?"

Then He asked them, "If one of you has a son or ox that FALLS INTO A "PIT" ON THE SABBATH, will you NOT IMMEDIATELY PULL IT OUT?"
Luke 14:1-6


Hear. The same PIT.
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Once again, as usual, as always

what is your point?

Please make a succinct, clear, unmistakable and definitive statement for once if you possibly can do do.
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Christianity has taken the Jewish belief of the Messiah and changed it around so much that it no longer represents what it used to in Judaism.

Few in the west know of the original Messianic beliefs in Judaism cause its been overshadowed by the Christian interpretation of what or who the Messiah is.
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Nun: The Messiah - Heir to the Throne by Rabbi Ginsburgh

The "nun" is the fourteenth letter of the alef-beit, which equals "David," the progenitor of the eternal Kingdom of Israel. The heir to David is Mashiach ben David, of whom is said: "As long as the duration of the sun his name shall rule." Our Sages teach us that one of the names of Mashiach is Yinon ("shall rule"), cognate to nun. Mashiach is also referred to as "the miscarriage," or, literally, the "fallen one."

As we will learn in the secret of the letter samech, the nun does not appear in Psalm 145, but is supported by God's transcendent mercy, as expressed by the following letter, samech. In general, nun corresponds in Torah to the image of falling. The soul of Mashiach experiences itself as continuously falling and dying; if not for the ever-present Hand of God "catching" it, it would crash to the ground and shatter to death."

cont......


Commentary by APOLLO. As you can see the above, this is where the Christians get the erroneous concept of Lucifer from, "The fallen one"

Slander towards the belief in Moshiach is The Fallen Lucifer, the Anti Christ, etc, etc..

(NOTE: not to be confused with the Christian Messiah known as Jesus. The Jewish people have their own concept which is ignored, or simply not taught to the masses in the west.)

My Commentary to point out is that this is a non political entry. This is meant to be taken as a Kabbalist spiritual entry considering all that is going on in the Middle East which it looks to have reached a cease fire. Spiritual people try their best to stay out of politics and pray for world peace and love to focus on the hope within)
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST




Apollo were I you I'd set directly about in effort to turn my attention to all that I don't know, as opposed to all that which I believe I do...

these words will echo in your memory in times to come

as there is meaning in them in your regard

make the most of that fact

or turn your back and run for your life

your call
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Thank you Friend, I believe I have already made the leap from Christianity to Judaism. I still am a astro theologer and the Roman Cosmology and the Cult of Mithras is still my love of study. Trust me that taking the leap into a opposite culture and belief system has been difficult.
If there is more of a leap to take, I will as the time comes. I am open to that cause learning is lifelong.

Part of Initiation is to take on ones opposite traits, forming your rebis.
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Apollyon, being the destroyer of evil, would make sense. I'm surprised there is such a negative view of him. Spiritually speaking, he is pretty amazing. For those not familiar, we have all heard of the boogieman who hides in the closet and terrorizes children to soil themselves with fear. Apollyon is the being in the boogieman's closet...
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Yes ! You can thank Christianity for that, What could have been a great solar religion turned into a boogeyman , witch hunt. They slandered the teachings of the one known as Lucifer, the fallen one. Apolllyon, and the Moshiach /Mashiach whom they label as Anti Christ

Its a sad state of affairs.

Apollyon is the cleanser of evil and the fighter for justice and truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5742644


One SABBATH, when Jesus WENT TO EAT in the HOUSE OF A PROMINENT PHARISEE, he was being carefully watched. There in front of him was a man suffering from dropsy.

Jesus asked the PHARISEES and the teachers of law "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath or not?"

Then He asked them, "If one of you has a son or ox that FALLS INTO A "PIT" ON THE SABBATH, will you NOT IMMEDIATELY PULL IT OUT?"
Luke 14:1-6


Hear. The same PIT.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


I do not deny that the one known as Jesus was a good teacher. The laws were overdrawn and overstretched where it became more law than reason. Things can become burdensome like that overtime.

Jewish tradition states that there is 613 mitzvot (commandments) regarding G-d. prayer, family, signs and symbols, love and brotherhood for example. Many are simple and easy to follow and others are more complex regarding disease and purity and who to marry. I have no set opinion on all of the laws yet.
We shall see what Moshiach decrees, it is said he fulfills Torah.
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Re: Christians, and their Misunderstanding of the Prophecy of Messiah.
Just as the sea that it rises on apointed times by moon and stars. So shall be the Knowledge of the Lord and his Majesty.

Isaiah 11
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

The age of Pisces and the age of Aquarius?