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There are 2 Israel Spiritual Israel (united states) and physical Isreal (geographical Israel) Psalm 83 war is with spiritual Israel (U.S)

 
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same thing happening you can delete the other two my apologise
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Ezekiel 37 shows the northern kingdom lost 10 tribes and the southern kingdom Judah and Benjamin becoming one house again but it won't happen until the end just as Adam(jew) had to be put into a deep sleep so that Eve(christian) could come forth......Jews are asleep to the salvation of Jesus right now but will wake up in the end, but it had to be done to bring the christian forth.
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same thing happening you can delete the other two my apologise
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Ezekiel 37 shows the northern kingdom lost 10 tribes and the southern kingdom Judah and Benjamin becoming one house again but it won't happen until the end just as Adam(jew) had to be put into a deep sleep so that Eve(christian) could come forth......Jews are asleep to the salvation of Jesus right now but will wake up in the end, but it had to be done to bring the christian forth.
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Beside that other bit of misinformation you limited it to the USA gentile christians only. That is even more of a boldand inaccurate statement and contradictory reagarding the bible. Israel is scattered in the 4 corners of the earth
That is replacement theology and it is not biblical,

Yes but your confusion is you are deliberatley taking them out of the equation in your post..Did you not read your title?

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/13/2012 03:53 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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if you don't have a head ache your not thinking hard enough..lol
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Really show me where the father call the lost ttribes and gentiles spiritual israel!

Not your church cliches because i can go to every instance where he calls them the lost sheep and he still considers them israel though lost and are hidden in the four corners of the earth
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


who are you saying the christian are if they are not of the 12 tribes of israel, the christian are the lost 10 tribes, and Judah and Benajamin are geographical Israel today. When we accept Jesus as savior it says we become grafted in to the olive tree which is Israel. If we are spiritual through Jesus and are part of Israel, would you not call that spiritual Israel?
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Beside that other bit of misinformation you limited it to the USA gentile chritians only. That is even more of a boldand inaccurate statement and contradictory reagarding the bible. Israel is scattered in the 4 corners of the earth
That is replacement theology and it is not biblical
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


There is a country called Germany and there are germans not living in Germany that are still German but we know that in Germany is where the majority of the Germans live, and so is the same in the nation that was at one time a strong christian nation but has turned from God and will soon endure the curses of deut 28 just as it says will happen to those who knew God and turn from God....God promised his children they would live in the land of milk and honey and if the united states isn't the milk and honey of the world I guess I missed a nation somewhere. The lost 10 tribes are the children of God spiritual Israel living in the land of milk and honey just as God promised them

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who are you saying the christian are if they are not of the 12 tribes of israel, the christian are the lost 10 tribes, and Judah and Benajamin are geographical Israel today. When we accept Jesus as savior it says we become grafted in to the olive tree which is Israel. If we are spiritual through Jesus and are part of Israel, would you not call that spiritual Israel?
 Quoting: waterman


Beside that other bit of misinformation you limited it to the USA gentile chritians only. That is even more of a boldand inaccurate statement and contradictory reagarding the bible. Israel is scattered in the 4 corners of the earth
That is replacement theology and it is not biblical
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


There is a country called Germany and there are germans not living in Germany that are still German but we know that in Germany is where the majority of the Germans live, and so is the same in the nation that was at one time a strong christian nation but has turned from God and will soon endure the curses of deut 28 just as it says will happen to those who knew God and turn from God....God promised his children they would live in the land of milk and honey and if the united states isn't the milk and honey of the world I guess I missed a nation somewhere. The lost 10 tribes are the children of God spiritual Israel living in the land of milk and honey just as God promised them
 Quoting: waterman


I DONT CARE ABOUT THAT LETS LOOK AT WHAT PAUL IS SAYING TO THE CHURCH IN RED


13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Isa 59:20

27
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Isa 59:21

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, t
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


When you see psalms 83 war of gog and magog come against spiritual Israel(united states) and it turn out it was the united states instead of Israel then you will realize there is a spiritual Israel......Isaiah chapter 7 war will happen to geographical Israel in less than a year because it says before Israel is 65 and we know Israel will be 65 may 14 2012, so that war will happen first.
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There is a country called Germany and there are germans not living in Germany that are still German but we know that in Germany is where the majority of the Germans live, and so is the same in the nation that was at one time a strong christian nation but has turned from God and will soon endure the curses of deut 28 just as it says will happen to those who knew God and turn from God....God promised his children they would live in the land of milk and honey and if the united states isn't the milk and honey of the world I guess I missed a nation somewhere. The lost 10 tribes are the children of God spiritual Israel living in the land of milk and honey just as God promised them
 Quoting: waterman


I DONT CARE ABOUT THAT LETS LOOK AT WHAT PAUL IS SAYING TO THE CHURCH IN RED


13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Isa 59:20

27
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Isa 59:21

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, t
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


When you see psalms 83 war of gog and magog come against spiritual Israel(united states) and it turn out it was the united states instead of Israel then you will realize there is a spiritual Israel......Isaiah chapter 7 war will happen to geographical Israel in less than a year because it says before Israel is 65 and we know Israel will be 65 may 14 2012, so that war will happen first.
 Quoting: waterman

PASLMS 83 ACTUALLY REFUTES YOUR CLAIM


IT IS TALKING ABOUT A PEOPLE LOST AND THE NATIONS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN BRINGING THE TRIBES TO POVERTY AND HARDSHIP THROUGH SERVITUDE.
Where does the christians in america fit in in this?
2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.

3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.

4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:

6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;

7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;

8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

9 Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


America has turned their land of milk and honey into the land of Egypt full of idols and worshipers of other gods, so God will bring his people out of the land of Egypt by judgement and put them into slavery in other countries until all their idols are destoryed and they become a holy people again then God raises up the two witnesses a Moses and Aaron type that will lead the people and teach them righteousness. If you want to see what happens to them check out the curses of Deut 28 the curses of what happens when Gods people turn away, their land is invaded by the enemy, wives ravished, children slaughtered, go into slavery, cursed when they come and cursed when they go....
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Re: There are 2 Israel Spiritual Israel (united states) and physical Isreal (geographical Israel) Psalm 83 war is with spiritual Israel (U.S)
Like I said spend time with the precepts and stop your focus on christianity and read what the father needs for you to understand. The messiah did not come to any other nation but to the lost tribes. He said it!
You will see that the bible is about these people the gentile nation was given the privilige to partake and become brothers and sisters
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


He did it to make the jew jealous so they would want salvation and in the end they accept it Ezekiel 37
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